Spicey Boy: "But have you heard of these types of counters?" Me, who has a deck that tries to put every type of counter on Skullbriar: "Yes, yes I have."
@@Oopsall Divinity counters are actually really easy in comparison to some other types. Kindred Boon and That Which Was Taken both can just put counters on Skullbriar directly.
@@cassidycook9018 @BroeJoe I've got the deck in paper, but lost my digital record of it a while ago when I had some account issues on MTGGoldfish. I'll go through the list and reupload it if people really want to see it.
@2:15, I'm the bastard responsible for putting all the keyword counters in a single category on the mtg wiki, and it makes me so happy to see the effect I have had on this video.
"Not unlike panicking during an ikoria draft and exclusively picking up Sudden Spinnerets. Ever counter from this point out is gonna be a reach" You are so delightfully clever and your videos are very enjoyable
Children have a LOT of blood counters. If I was a child and a nice green woman asked for my blood counters... I'd give her the blood counters Miriam she NEEDS them!
You can’t put loyalty counters on Shrine of Loyal Legions, that would break the game! You could put a loyalty counter on your shrine, then move it with Nesting Grounds to give a free +1 to one of your planeswalkers every turn! The game would never recover!
Spiceman is a marketing genius: He created a problem I never thought to have than he propose his solution his solution is very well made my problem with charge counters has been resolved
ACKUALLY what if the animal in the art of transmogrifying wand is an ox/ram hybrid, and what do rams do? THEY CHARGE AND THEREFORE THE CHARGE COUNTERS ARE A PERFECT FIT *insert nfl theme*
I really thought you were going to go with a "charging of the bulls" and leave the charge counters on the Transmogrifying Wand as a "psych" because that Ox is definitely looking like it wants to charge that wizard.
Spice: doing the ending spiel and talking about it being a shorter video and how much of a pain it'd be to alter Mirrodin Charge counters. Me: sweats because there's about 20 mins left in the video
The mechanical reason is because there are effects that add and remove charge counters specifically and effects like The Ozolith could move counters of the same type around to something with a different function for them potentially creating unintended combos.
I was thinking, "Bounty doesn't mean that within magic", and this explains why that's an issue. I put mana into Cornucopia, it represents more food or W/e, and then I find a way to move it, and suddenly it means someone has a price on their head.
@@calemr 15 flying squirrels can beat the physical manifestation of an eldritch monstrosity that exists in the space between planes. A little wordplay probably isn't that big of a thematic issue.
Etrada's hit counters. I dont know if it was a joke or not, but it sounds like Spice thought it was literally signifying that Etrada needs to 'hit' your opponent to gain the counter. but "hit" in this case refers to assassin4tion. "Carrying out a hit" is a common phrase with bountyhunter's and such.
I haven't watched this yet but I always thought it would be funny if they made a keyword ability named Charge so that Charge counters retroactively became an Ikoria keyword counter. Bonus points if whatever Charge does can stack.
You were so preoccupied with whether you could, you didn't stop to think whether you should. (also I'm Untap, Upkeep, Lose. I'm glad you enjoyed my patreon name)
This video had the side effect of making me realize the history and significance of charge counters. So I actually appreciate them a lot more now. Thank you Spice!
Blast zone could use Fuse counters, it is just a land reprint of Powder Keg. Same with Engineered Explosive and Ratchet Bomb. bring back fuse counters for bombs
And now that we have Streets of New Capenna, Palliation Accord is no longer the only card with shield counters. That Gremlin card is now more interesting.
1:36 in the exact moment, where he went to the left side, I swiped to the left on my phone. I had to rewatch the scene to make sure, UA-cam didn't went interactive.
Spice8Rack videos have two types: -Insanely well researched discussions about important topics contextualized through Magic The Gathering -Insanely well researched categorization of something weirdly specific that no one had an issue with or even cared about in the first place and i wouldn't have it any other way
There’s this thing about representation, the difference between “oh I get that, that’s like me” and “whoa, that IS Me.”. Not that there aren’t other Queer content creators doing good work, but so much about your videos resonates differently for me. Love your nails here. Thank You for the work
I actually think "charge" counters make sense with the Transmogrifying Wand - the glowing runes on the wand suggests limited 'charges' of the spell loaded into the wand.
This is an over 40 minute long video where an adult talks about a non-issue in a child’s card game, based off of another adult singing about said card game to the tune of a song from a cartoon older than Minecraft. Another beautifully executed video. Cheers!
i know the ultimate argument of Wizards will be that "retireing" all those counters and replacing them with a "generic" charge counter makes the game easier to understand and play, i still appreciate the thoughtful and in depth deconstruction of the existing counters here.
fun fact: the reason that MTGO uses the "paw" shape counter for hoofprint counters is that there was a limited budget available to make counters, and there was one made that had to cover all animal-type things. it's not the goofiest association in the game, but even so, given the options that were available when making that decision, I maintain it's the correct choice.
"Finally we have a counter to Palliation Accord, the only card that uses them" Less than a year later: Shield counters reintroduced in New Capenna, Palliation Accord gets errata changing it to using palliation counters
Mechanically speaking I think most of the artifact counters need to be converted TO charge counters… there are a lot of cards that refer to charge counters on other cards, and those cards usually interact with how many times or how quickly the charge counter ability is able to be used. If you think of charge counters like charges on magic items in d&d, it makes sense that something being able to recharge a magic tool’s energy should be universally able to do so (with some exceptions). Brick counters from amonkhet, for example, are a great flavor win with them representing the building or destroying of literal buildings and the gain or loss of their effects, but when the building is completed or demolished the artifact card is still on the field. The brick counters in this case represent the buildup or depletion of the special ability of the card/building. As in it’s charging up or losing charge.
14:45 This just isn't true. Blast Zone specifically represents when Bolas' Planar Bridge opened and blew up the Chamber of the Guildpact. It wasn't any kind of barrage by someone that was aiming at the building from outside.
Alright my vorel charge counters deck needs you to stop right there. How am I supposed to use surge node to take more turns than is ethically acceptable with magistrate's scepter otherwise?
you CANNOT put a clip from "a crow looked at me" without warning like that. my heart just dropped a thousand miles (kilometers?) once it figured out what was playing.
As a big fan of discard (it's my favourite mechanic; I'm a monster), I am still patiently waiting for the mill v discard video. Cheers for another great one!
That Forge of Darkness in the background though. I love me some Erikson. The Karkanas books must have been in your wheelhouse being a poet yourself. Imagine if Blind Gallan popped up in a video to comment on the state of mtg This video is also absolutely fabolous!
I see charge counters on magic items like the magistrates scepter and the wands to harken back to D&D and how all magic items also use charges. So I feel like those are fine. But yeah, charge counters on some of these definitely need rewording
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I gave this video a “like” counter if you know what I mean. Right folks
Heh heh heh 😎
That’s what she said
"I tap 7 and play Sphincter Boner."
"...You mean Sphynx-Bone Wand?"
"No."
"Did I stutter?"
I once played the counterspell Geist Snatch and yelled “GHOST PUSSY!!!” and everyone died laughing for like 4 minutes
I think he's just looming the mill vs discard video over us to keep us subscribed. I mean that in the best way possible, love your stuff Spice!
It's coming this year ;)
@@Spice8Rack Yay! I got you to confirm lore about the Spice8Rack cannon!
@@Spice8Rack sure it is
@@Spice8Rack ill wait for you forever
@@Spice8Rack But spice, it's the 19th month of 2020 and it's not ending anytime soon, this year doesn't narrow it down at all!
Spicey Boy: "But have you heard of these types of counters?"
Me, who has a deck that tries to put every type of counter on Skullbriar: "Yes, yes I have."
How's the divinity counters going lol
@@Oopsall Divinity counters are actually really easy in comparison to some other types. Kindred Boon and That Which Was Taken both can just put counters on Skullbriar directly.
Link to list?
List tho?
@@cassidycook9018 @BroeJoe I've got the deck in paper, but lost my digital record of it a while ago when I had some account issues on MTGGoldfish. I'll go through the list and reupload it if people really want to see it.
@2:15, I'm the bastard responsible for putting all the keyword counters in a single category on the mtg wiki, and it makes me so happy to see the effect I have had on this video.
Thank you for your sacrifice
This video felt like one of those bizarre Courage the cowardly dog episodes.
"Not unlike panicking during an ikoria draft and exclusively picking up Sudden Spinnerets. Ever counter from this point out is gonna be a reach"
You are so delightfully clever and your videos are very enjoyable
"What is monarchy but the theft of a nation by aristocratic birthright?"
I need a time machine so I can make that my yearbook quote.
Children have a LOT of blood counters. If I was a child and a nice green woman asked for my blood counters... I'd give her the blood counters Miriam she NEEDS them!
Jesus christ it looks like you are about to burst out of the walls with all that energy. Also love the video, I'm happy you took you're time.
I guess he had too many.....energy counters.
bro stop looking at me
Charge, one might even say
I had such a good time making my bits for this! The finished video is AMAZING 😍 love this so much!
That Jin-Gitaxis bit was not the mental image I was expecting but probably the mental image I deserved
Love you max eaven if that make up will hunt my lite forewer
Jesus the phyrexian unlife
WotC: "screw it, change everything to charge counters, unify everything. Planeswalkers included."
"We're giving my dog human legs" was not the take I was expecting in this video. Love it lmao
He loves to run
You can’t put loyalty counters on Shrine of Loyal Legions, that would break the game! You could put a loyalty counter on your shrine, then move it with Nesting Grounds to give a free +1 to one of your planeswalkers every turn! The game would never recover!
More of this strange sentiment... It's probably nostalgia.
Was just thinking you could never use spore counters on that mana fungus because of the very powerful Spore Sower combo potential
If you haven't heard, conversion therapy is no long legal in the uk!
Yay
I was pretty sure but was worried I’d miss heard when he said it
Spiceman is a marketing genius:
He created a problem I never thought to have
than he propose his solution
his solution is very well made
my problem with charge counters has been resolved
ACKUALLY what if the animal in the art of transmogrifying wand is an ox/ram hybrid, and what do rams do? THEY CHARGE AND THEREFORE THE CHARGE COUNTERS ARE A PERFECT FIT *insert nfl theme*
*phone rings ominously*
I really thought you were going to go with a "charging of the bulls" and leave the charge counters on the Transmogrifying Wand as a "psych" because that Ox is definitely looking like it wants to charge that wizard.
I love how insane this video got at times, just like every other video it’s great
Spice: doing the ending spiel and talking about it being a shorter video and how much of a pain it'd be to alter Mirrodin Charge counters.
Me: sweats because there's about 20 mins left in the video
The mechanical reason is because there are effects that add and remove charge counters specifically and effects like The Ozolith could move counters of the same type around to something with a different function for them potentially creating unintended combos.
I was thinking, "Bounty doesn't mean that within magic", and this explains why that's an issue.
I put mana into Cornucopia, it represents more food or W/e, and then I find a way to move it, and suddenly it means someone has a price on their head.
@@calemr 15 flying squirrels can beat the physical manifestation of an eldritch monstrosity that exists in the space between planes. A little wordplay probably isn't that big of a thematic issue.
"What is monarchy if not theft of a nation by aristocratic birthright?"
Damn, subtle jab at the queen, love it
The "Tease mill vs discard and publish other quality vids that are about something else" strategy is pretty cool actually
Spice 8-Rack is out here trying to end Myr Coretapper's career. Sadness. Edit: A bison is a sweet and sour
yeah seriously if anything charge counters should be more universal to better support them as one cohesive mechanic
Counter point: I should still get to be able to beat you with my Pir and Toothy deck that runs a charge counter sub theme.
Screw normal counters, all my homies love charge counters
Etrada's hit counters. I dont know if it was a joke or not, but it sounds like Spice thought it was literally signifying that Etrada needs to 'hit' your opponent to gain the counter. but "hit" in this case refers to assassin4tion. "Carrying out a hit" is a common phrase with bountyhunter's and such.
I mean, he also recontextualized bounty and wind counters :P
I haven't watched this yet but I always thought it would be funny if they made a keyword ability named Charge so that Charge counters retroactively became an Ikoria keyword counter. Bonus points if whatever Charge does can stack.
You were so preoccupied with whether you could, you didn't stop to think whether you should.
(also I'm Untap, Upkeep, Lose. I'm glad you enjoyed my patreon name)
I loved it too!
I really hope Purple Monkey becomes a recurring character. No matter how dead he is.
Rip Purple Monkey
Lovely video! This video has placed a “spice counter” on my brain and I feel like proliferating! ⭐️
Y'know you've called a few of your videos fever dreams, but this one really is. XD
« But it is cum » 😂
Pleasant Kenobi, get out of Spice’s body!
NOT to be taken out of context 😂😂
This video had the side effect of making me realize the history and significance of charge counters. So I actually appreciate them a lot more now. Thank you Spice!
Blast zone could use Fuse counters, it is just a land reprint of Powder Keg. Same with Engineered Explosive and Ratchet Bomb. bring back fuse counters for bombs
And now that we have Streets of New Capenna, Palliation Accord is no longer the only card with shield counters. That Gremlin card is now more interesting.
It actually got errata'd to have its own new Palliation counters instead, so it's out of the running.
Speaking as a Teysa Karlov player who plays with a person who has an Animar deck, I feel as if that joke was made for me.
Oooh a video from my favorite channel with a rack that has 8 spices on it.
Bless you
1:36 in the exact moment, where he went to the left side, I swiped to the left on my phone.
I had to rewatch the scene to make sure, UA-cam didn't went interactive.
Spice8Rack videos have two types:
-Insanely well researched discussions about important topics contextualized through Magic The Gathering
-Insanely well researched categorization of something weirdly specific that no one had an issue with or even cared about in the first place
and i wouldn't have it any other way
My favorite part is seeing him pick up and read definitions out of books that are clearly not dictionaries
They're just an abridged remix of a dictionary, to be fair.
This was amazing. Unexpectedly so, considering the subject. That's the Spice magic.
There’s this thing about representation, the difference between “oh I get that, that’s like me” and “whoa, that IS Me.”. Not that there aren’t other Queer content creators doing good work, but so much about your videos resonates differently for me. Love your nails here. Thank You for the work
Ah crud, shield counters are something different now...
I had to pause the video to take a moment and appreciate the Sudden Spinnerets joke. Gave me a big dumb smile.
I can’t believe you would do this to my poor baby core tapper. THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE MYR THEY DON’T DESERVE THIS
now, I actually wish more cards would use generic charge counters so they could synergize better
This video makes poor little Coretapper very sad. Myr have feelings, too!
I actually think "charge" counters make sense with the Transmogrifying Wand - the glowing runes on the wand suggests limited 'charges' of the spell loaded into the wand.
Woooooooo new video! Nice 👍
I rewatched the others in the meantime. It’s a real delight!
I had a deep primal fear that when you got to Empowered Autogenerator I was about to get sent to the Eyeball Zone.
Glad to see you're doing well. Keep up the fun content
This is an over 40 minute long video where an adult talks about a non-issue in a child’s card game, based off of another adult singing about said card game to the tune of a song from a cartoon older than Minecraft.
Another beautifully executed video. Cheers!
"Who is playing that music?"
I'm goanna guess Oko.
The pop team epic plushie is just amazing
It's wearable!
this felt like it went on for 2 hours, great video!
"When the opponent plays island, taps, cast Aether Vial. What does that make you feel?" Oh hi Professor! Nice to meat you U:
Streets of New Capenna hates this version of Gremlin Mine
i know the ultimate argument of Wizards will be that "retireing" all those counters and replacing them with a "generic" charge counter makes the game easier to understand and play, i still appreciate the thoughtful and in depth deconstruction of the existing counters here.
8:32 that little blip hurt my heart and almost made me cry :( Such a sweet message tucked away
I was certain that Transmogrifying Wand was going to be “Change” counters or Hoofprint counters because of the ox
Awesome video Spice-man!
The “hoof print” counter looks like a bear pride logo.
Wholesome ending to the video. Happy Dad, happy Lad.
Spice is a Pop Team Epic fan - I knew you were a quality chap.
Yay so happy to see another spice 8 rack video.
That's very lovely of you to say xxxx
@@Spice8Rack you certainly did survive the sexy factory 😂
I haven't even finished watching the ad and I gave this a thumbs up
Bless you!
I can't believe you'd call out Graham Stark like that. Good luck getting into the PPR now...
I'm surprised there was no card that was about running really fast in a group towards an enemy that needed an _aggressive jogging_ counter
Love the video, your descent into madness was entertaining. Hang in there and keep making these hilarious videos
fun fact: the reason that MTGO uses the "paw" shape counter for hoofprint counters is that there was a limited budget available to make counters, and there was one made that had to cover all animal-type things. it's not the goofiest association in the game, but even so, given the options that were available when making that decision, I maintain it's the correct choice.
How much money does it take to make a counter on MTGO?
"Finally we have a counter to Palliation Accord, the only card that uses them"
Less than a year later: Shield counters reintroduced in New Capenna, Palliation Accord gets errata changing it to using palliation counters
I'm a simple man. I see a Spice 8Rack video. I watch it through to the end, like and comment.
That "wind" counter joke made me subscribe. Love ya!
Bring Purple Monkey back this INSTANT
Ohgod I love you going deep into Magic mechanics and giving it some flavor ♥️
But if we swap all of these my charge counter matter deck falls appart.
This guy made me bring my blue nail polish out as well! Great video mate. Keep up the awesome content!
Thumbs up for the hoofprint counters.
Mechanically speaking I think most of the artifact counters need to be converted TO charge counters… there are a lot of cards that refer to charge counters on other cards, and those cards usually interact with how many times or how quickly the charge counter ability is able to be used. If you think of charge counters like charges on magic items in d&d, it makes sense that something being able to recharge a magic tool’s energy should be universally able to do so (with some exceptions). Brick counters from amonkhet, for example, are a great flavor win with them representing the building or destroying of literal buildings and the gain or loss of their effects, but when the building is completed or demolished the artifact card is still on the field. The brick counters in this case represent the buildup or depletion of the special ability of the card/building. As in it’s charging up or losing charge.
Spice, I'd love to play EDH with you, you absolute madlad.
Your sense of humor is crisp and perfect. Please never change.
14:45 This just isn't true. Blast Zone specifically represents when Bolas' Planar Bridge opened and blew up the Chamber of the Guildpact. It wasn't any kind of barrage by someone that was aiming at the building from outside.
Ooh, another obscure card list breakdown video. I can't wait to find out which counter is his best friend.
omg I thought that was a random clip of a movie, not your actual dad. Amazing.
One of your best yet, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Keep it up
I can't believe wizards STILL hasn't hired you to fix their counter problem.
I missed you in the last month! What a treat Spice man!
Amazing vid!
SNC update: Shield counters are now a thing with a mechanical purpose and palliation accord now uses palliation counters
Alright my vorel charge counters deck needs you to stop right there. How am I supposed to use surge node to take more turns than is ethically acceptable with magistrate's scepter otherwise?
Spice’s descent into madness becomes more and more apparent in each new video.
Ever since his “Cats” movie review, his sanity has never been the same…
you CANNOT put a clip from "a crow looked at me" without warning like that. my heart just dropped a thousand miles (kilometers?) once it figured out what was playing.
as someone who runs a scarab god charge counters deck with mainly artifacts this is a beautiful video ( :
I love when you see a card and you think to yourself "hey, it's a good card, let's buy it !"
As a big fan of discard (it's my favourite mechanic; I'm a monster), I am still patiently waiting for the mill v discard video. Cheers for another great one!
better fix: just make them all energy counters.
That Forge of Darkness in the background though.
I love me some Erikson. The Karkanas books must have been in your wheelhouse being a poet yourself.
Imagine if Blind Gallan popped up in a video to comment on the state of mtg
This video is also absolutely fabolous!
I see charge counters on magic items like the magistrates scepter and the wands to harken back to D&D and how all magic items also use charges. So I feel like those are fine. But yeah, charge counters on some of these definitely need rewording
Gotta say that Spice's beard is looking extra dashing lately.