[ENG CC] Toyota vs. Honda - Integra R, Civic R, S2000, Celica, Altezza Ebisu 1999
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JDM Cars racing. Starting grid:
1. Toyota Celica (Takuya Kurosawa)
2. Toyota Celica SS (Nakaya Akihiko)
3. Toyota Altezza RS200 Z edition (Eiichi Tajima)
4. Toyota Altezza BM (Hara Takihiko)
5. Honda Civic Type R EK9 (Takeuchi Hironori)
6. Honda Integra Type R DC2 (Motoharu Kurosawa)
7. Honda S2000 (Keiichi Tsuchiya)
![[ENG CC] Honda vs. Nissan - Integra R, Civic R, Silvia S14, Pulsar Tsukuba 1998](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jOiUTjTqMOg/mqdefault.jpg)
![[ENG CC] Honda vs. Nissan - Integra R, Civic R, Silvia S14, Pulsar Tsukuba 1998](/img/tr.png)
![[ENG CC] -U-280HP Battle - Integra R, S2000, Boxter, S15, Celica, MR-S, B4 Tsukuba 2000](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1MJ72S7wazo/mqdefault.jpg)
![[ENG CC ] All Class Sugo 2000 - Integra R, Civic R, S2000, NSX, EVO VI, Supra, RX7, MR-S](/img/n.gif)
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Remember when Toyota and Honda made exciting cars? Peppridge farm remembers.
sharpemang what is with that joke?
sharpemang do you think the new Civic Type R isn't exiting?
So you think a Celica is more exciting than a GT86? A car that has more power, better chasis, better suspension and RWD. And what about the new Type R, isn't it fast enough for you?. The sound it's not the same but otherwise it's a really good car.
so do nissan mazda subaru dan mitsubishi
Macelo Guia . Well, it loses in a 0-100 but that's all. They MX-5 it's much softer both in terms of suspension and chasis. Have driven both? I go with the 86 without any doubt
That EK9 is a really nice looking hatch.
Agreed. Here's your 100th like
In the end their all winners. Over 20 years later, you still see each of these model of cars on the street till this day!
very well said!
Scotty Kilmer needs to see this
Jose Salinas he’s recently been more inclined towards Honda’s. He’s already said that Honda makes better racing cars.
😂😂😂😂
Dont make me laugh to hard xD
Jose Salinas he hates the 2zzge
He’s a crazy old man who doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time.
This video actually showed me that Celica's are good cars.
Keeping up with Type R's in the corner speaks volumes about Toyota's engineering.
agree
Justin Holloway that's lower end Toyota celicas too lol. I honestly don't think those celicas were wide valve twins. I may be wrong though. not to mention the soft suspension haha
Yeah, when the hondas were behind it... as soon as they jump in front, they're gone. Only good car toyota has is the supra. The popular ae86 is only good after you mod the hell out of it.
AlienNinjaPuppy Uh... MR2 turbo.
Toyota fan boys making all kinds of excuses 😂
Watching this makes me want an Integra DC2 so much more.
I owned 3 Dc2's. Awesome car so much potential.
MOME914 God damn, 3? all Type Rs? I have the EK =D Honda Life!
Get a dc5! I love mine
Buy a gsr! they're super fun cars and relativity cheap if you can find one not beat on its whole life lol.
@@ryanwilkinson6999 DC5 is not as race focused, DC2 was made with the same spirit as the NSX was made
I would have liked to see a SW20 MR2 and maybe even a Prelude in this racce
@Alexander L neither are the Celicas or civic or intgra
@@MrBassBoosted or the s2000, its mid engine rear wheel drive..
@@kotymccallister5150 no it isn't. Stop this nonsense.
@@dumkopf shhhhhhh don't tell them!
@@kotymccallister5150 lol
Pretty cool race, impressed the celica did as well as it did. looks like they could have shifted the celica a few hundred rpm higher tho
Of course it's Tsuchiya on the track, so the S2000 is going to do well. But, man.... that is the spirit of the S2000. 7th to 2nd, and fastest overall lap time. Lovely.
Peter Zachos and dont forget it has 50HP more than the others but didnt get firt
Same engine class
True... but...
1) it's the AP1 version, without the LSD;
2) plus it's not just BHP by itself, it's power-to-weight ratio, and many of those cars are lighter (the Civic R, for example, is almost 300kg lighter);
3) plus he's starting in last place, on an incline and handicapped with a far-back position.
4) Plus, and I think it can't be overstated.. with all that in effect: 7th to 2nd, and fastest lap time.
Z1... that's exactly why they chose to handicap the S2K. No replacement for displacement.
Peter Zachos AP1s do have LSDs
respecting Toyota and everything, but this battles shows who's the boss.
even if the DC2 or the EK9 or the AP1 were slower, just LISTEN to that SOUND. Damn, Honda knows how to make people drool over engines.
well, since they used R versions of honda, one would think they'd be using T-sport toyotas. atleast they could have used the GTS celica, witch would have hold up much better. in this race they used one base celica and one 2zz engined celica.
and not having the mrs in this race is wierd because its statistics wise perfect for this comparison/race whatever.
and yes, Honda does make great motors :)
unfortunately, you can't use the verb in the present! instead of knows we should use knew! due to the present day constraints and the death of the NA, engine sounds are going silent. Only exotic makes, can have good engine sounds with turbos, because they can use exotic materials and million dollar exhausts, that the common brands cannot make/sell.
I really hope I am proven wrong with the next models, but for now it is the sad truth.
Ricardo Carvalho i agree, NA engines sound better than turboed engines, but i got to hear an straight piped audi s3 it is LOUD as hell! and its mostly engine sound not spooling sound.
pretty much all cars will sound well with a proper exhaust.
Yes, you're probably right, though RPM range make it less interesting. But hey..... I believe in engineering and its capabilities , so the future is promissing even with turbos.
thealeksanderh supra, MR2 turbo, Celica GT-S, LFA. While Honda have NSX, S2000, Civic Si. Honda is overrated.
i like honda and toyota! my last car was a 93 DA integra that i loved and now i have a 2000 celica gts which is even more fun. but i love pretty much all japanese cars i mean. look at nissan. well, i like their 90s and early 2000s more than their current cars but they are incredible
Man, 3rd gear really screwed those Celicas over. If they had a shorter ratio 3rd gear, the drivers would stay with the bigger cam profile from 6k to redline while going uphill. Might have changed the outcome of the race
maximus9401 these look like lower trim Celicas. I think if you get a sport model it might have a shorter 3rd.
@@DeVoN420zz lol man honda won the race all top position excuses excuses
@@DeVoN420zz What mods do you have?
@@DeVoN420zz you really have to beat the shit out of a 2zz to use it right. Use every ounce of that power band from 6k all the way up to 8400. If you time it right, you can keep it in lift.
@@DeVoN420zz yep. I was specifically talking about the 00 Celica ecu 89666-20082. Its the one I use and I believe lift kicks in at 6k and rev limiter is ~8400. But yes, an ems4 would be wild
すげぇVTEC積んだホンダ3車がトップ3独占、、
インテグラ速すぎる…
Should've went all out toyota vs honda since they brought the S2000 too. Bring the Celica GT-4 and Supra for toyota and the NSX for Honda also.
I think nsx destoys every toyota car in the circuit, even not having turbo.
Where’s the mr2.???
Celica gt-four doesnt have the handling or hill climb as the 7th gen and the hp is comparable to the 1zz fe
@@blitzcourt5021 that's laughable. You're thinking of the 135hp gt.
The gt4 is turbocharged, awd, and makes like 250hp stock. 😂
Lmao the Supra is a boat..
In terms of FF cars, nobody makes better handling cars that honda. Mini Cooper, peugeot, alfa romeo, renault, and vw gti can be there but competition after competition the R's come on top and have been described as the best.
do you mean alfa romeo? XD
*Alfa*
Nah lol
red88alert The other videos on this channel disagree. The R's are formidable FFs when compared to other manufacturers.
+Johnny Salvattore you dont actually mean that hondas are good but till there...the europeans handle better...
インテR速すぎました。ガンさんもうますぎでした。
I love my DB7 Integra. I knew the B18C was a good engine but I wasn't expecting the Type R to do as good as it did. Awesome video.
i work in motorcycles 20 years, europeans and japanishes bikes. Honda is just the leader....i realy dont know how they make it to build so reliable engines!
Unfortunately for this circuit the gearing on the Celica throws it right into the flat spot of the 2ZZ powerband (5000-6000rpm) in 3rd gear on the big uphill. It doesn't even accelerate on the uphill, just barely hanging on around 5200-5400 rpm.
yup. and at that point it has only 143bhp instead of 190bhp .. if only "lift" kicked in at 5,200 like VTEC does.
The GT-S has 180hp in the US and 190hp overseas. Mine is a 2000 year model and fuel cut off is at about 8400 rpms. If you rev to about 8200, you stay in the power band with no issues or dead spots. I've never raced a Type R, but I think it would be closer than this. The 2zz is dead at lower rpms. Not much there. It's happy above 6000 rpms and rewards you if you drive it right. Also has a very restrictive exhaust from the factory which doesn't help. Mine is at 240,000 miles on original engine with nothing but suspension, intake, and exhaust. Burns no oil and has no issues at all. VVTLI still pulls hard and it corners well.
If that were the case, they coulda downshifted, got into lift, burned through 2nd, and when they got nack to 3rd, they'd have been in lift. Dude doesn't know how to drive. Lol
Kolton McCallister heeyyyyyy. Whats up. N yea. He shoulda stayed in 2nd and bounced the redline and then hit 3rd and demand that the car eat lift. Lol
This looks kinda fishy. Do you realy think that even at 5500 rpm without lift engaged the Celica cannot accelerate up that hill? And it's realy strange that every time the celica comes up the hill it gets stuck at 5500 rpm just before lift. Kind of a big coincident. I dunno but this seems realy fishy to me.
セリカは今でもたまに見かけますが、アルテッツァはめったに見なくなりましたね。昔はあんなに走ってたのに・・・
逆じゃない？
この型のセリカは昔も今もあまり見ない
Would be nice to see a modern take. To see where the new cars stack.
しかし，いい時代だった
hey I watched this as a kid :3 still have the DVD
Thats one thing I always tell People about my celica, what I lacks in grunt it makes up for in cornering.
Especially in the real world driving on public roads. On twisty roads there's not many similar level cars that can keep up.
この頃のホンダは熱かった…
Celica shifts at 7900 and hondas be revving out to 9k. Man, rev that celica to redline! Lift didn't seem to be engaging, either.
This race seems fishy
Celica not engine 2zzge
This 1zzfe it's slowly
@@muradnafish4639 its 2zz
I think an mr2 body with a k series engine is an absolute beauty and beast. These two should make a car one day.
If the silver celica driver shifted at 8400 going uphill instead of 8k.. He would have landed in lift instead of 5700rpm
シビックの登りが気持ちいい
HONDA the best
@@DeVoN420zz lol
stfu
@@DeVoN420zz you're everywhere
Honda for the win
Keep showing...
Nsx type r especially on the track. Nothing is catching that. The type r integra beats the skyline
I believe UA-cam recommend this because I own nothing but 90's era Honda's! And I can confirm the hills in a Honda is where u pull away!
Gan-san's driving is so beast. anyone know his real name?
Altruistic Motoharu Kurosawa
***** thanks!
+Altruistic ...Nobody's as smooth as Gansan.
+Altruistic Gan-San is like a Yakuza in driving! Pure Boss material!
lmao
i really feel ashamed as s honda guy to read all this hate against toyota. 😅
Sebastian Lange especially some of the people who have lack of understanding of the two companies or who they wanted to appeal to in their marketing. this video is track vs commerce more so than track vs track. but people are gonna say what they wanna say I guess lol
I have owned both over the year's and I love both
I used to have one of these celicas. The ratios are stuffed, it is difficult to consistently stay in Lift(Vtec), especially on an incline, so you bog badly into 3rd because you land outside that power band. Shame because it was a brillant car. My very good friend who had a Type R would always get me buy half a car because it just wouldn't shift like the R. I'd land 3rd at about 5500 which is useless.
Es un coche de niñas el celica
Wouldn’t expect anything less from a integra R great car great engineering
simple toyota makes people movers and honda makes race cars for road
In this race yes but you have to remember this is a balanced race HP wise except the AP1, all Toyota's true sports cars are beyond the limits of the DC2 and EK example: SW11, SW20, ST185, ST205 & JZA80. I am in no way a hater of Honda and in fact have a soft spot for them but there are just very few examples of a good balanced race when it comes to JDM cars unless your talking late model EVO/STI battles.
that guy can't fucking drive a celica for shit, he can't even stay in the vvt-li for fucks sake hahaha.
lol
***** F1, they rule the Indy... you know, the ones that actually matter.
Come again?
Johnny Salvattore
Ehem.. GT500, biggest jepanese racing series. toyota/lexus doing far better than honda since ever.
and F1? i cant even remember the last time honda been leading there.
toyota had 7 years, eventually doing as good as, if not better than honda the little time they were in (and thats going from not having an F1 team ever) witch honda has always had.
Also Le Mans, ever heard of that? ofcourse you have, secong biggest race series in the world. toyota doing far better than honda.
Hondas are good, but not good enough for you to go around saying toyota sucks. witch is what it seems like you're trying to portray.
That shift at 10:22 !
As a Matrix XRS owner, I do see how the GTS will lose uphill.. My gear ratios are HUGE on the Matrix since its on 17's stock.. 1st gear is 40mph, 2nd is 65mph and 3rd gear is good for 90mph+. Great for highway cruising and pulls, but on a race track it involves a lot of shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear to keep it in lift.
Who's from 2020??
Me...i'm toyota tribeman...but next week i'll be getting my first Honda...feel so guilty when watch this vid....🤣😆
Me)
HONDA ❤️
8 years later they partner up with Subaru and give us a new car enthusiast vehicle
What's that? The toyota that wanted the power of Subaru or the Subaru that wanted the reliability of a toy?
最後で黒澤琢弥さんが言う通り、Rでないインテグラとシビックを持ってきてたら、もっと競っていたでしょうね。
The thumbnail is just pure gold.
The extra weight of the Altezza really shows. Same hp as the Type R but an extra 400lbs
also the stock suspension is so fkn soft, its alright in tight corners but man the body roll in high-medium speed is shocking at times. very sharp front end.
love these videos!! i watch every single one
I can see why Integras were stolen so often.
Keeping the 2zz in optimum power is tricky in those cars, hats off to the drivers tho!
The integ R is always leading in the race in every miroshis's video
インテグラ速すぎだろｗｗｗｗｗ
この時代に生まれたかった...。
Honda makes a better engine assembly but also seems to have a better understanding of suspension set ups. Both Brands i say are very close.
I may get flamed but i really think that gen celica shouldve got a gt-four option or have been used in rally. A H22a swap would be nice in that gen celica with better gear ratios
Honda will and always be the Boss.
Honda is the way to go
DeVoNmotorsports lol my guy... chill out
Yes if you are a poor garbage ass moron and you cant afford a celica for 5k you buy a civic for 1.8k
Braidead wormhead
DeVoNmotorsports shut the fuck up toyota fanboy
Great battle! Gan-San is like 30 car lengths lead and still running it to the limiter in each gear, Altezza's did pretty well I think considering the weight disadvantage, shame the Celica 3rd gear upshift wasn't in the Big Cam or they'd have been right there with the civic and integra I think
Celica is miles off the integras\Civics. it would take alot more than just a slight gear ratio change to catch them.
Probably a massive weight reduction like the ITR, strip out those creature comforts of any kind, all insulation and you're there!
The weight difference isnt that big. There is a big list of things Honda changed on the ITR compared to the normal integra that make it a faster better handling machine.
No doubt! it was the big shooter of the day, but wow 2400lbs makes a huge difference, in all these late 90's battles it keeps up a lot with super late braking and superb acceleration I think in do no small part to the ultra lightweight of the car
got to bounce a celica off the rev limiter up-hill to stay competative
Gan-San and the DC2 are a perfect match.
I love both my Honda’s and Toyota’s but I think Honda has more experience and dedication to performance driving. Now off roading, Toyota all day
Love this "gran turismo" replay :D
Integra Civic And S2000 are just in a league of their own. My goodness!
エンジンの差がはっきり出てますね。セリカのエンジンも悪くないんだけどね。これだけはコンセプトの違いだから仕方がない。
I know these guys are pro's and I love BMi videos have been watching them since I found out about them in the early 2000's.
But Akihiko didn't know how to drive that celica. On these engine's you must kiss the rev limiter at around 8300 rpm's for a fraction of a second so the next gear stays above 6000 rpm's where the "Lift" point is at or the small to large cam lobe change over is. (This is toyota's "v-tec")
@ 7:20 you can see he doesn't even rev it to 8,000 rpm's and the next shift drops below 6000, you can even hear the engines tone change when it switches back to the small cam. So if he was changing gear like this every time of course he was going to have cars creep by him throughout the race.
But in his defense its known to be pretty difficult to stay in the 2zz's sweet spot above 6000 rpm's at all times. If you shift too late your bouncing of the limiter and loose speed if you shift too early you fall out of the big cam lobe and loose speed. But if you get it right you get a strong pull in the next gear. It's fun when you get it right.
@Bezo Balo gt4 celica is not really in the same class as any of these, the mr2 is rubbish, ae86 is a dinosaur stop taking the piss, the supra again, more in a class above s2000 etc, but below nsx, so its not there. Chaser again not really much of a sports car
@Bezo Balo yeah tbh rubbish is a bit harsh for the gen 3, just looks so bad i would never even consider it haha. ae86 is cool, just too old its got a solid rear axle like cmon. supra isnt even a sports car, its more of a gt. nsx is the best car to come out of japan period. and dont even @ me saying the chaser is sportier than a civic lmao those things are boats
Celica gear ratios are killing it. Rpms dropping too much each shift
For your info. During the launching of honda DC2. It rated as the fastest FF car in the world.. however now the title being replaced by Renault Megane RS
I’d love to see a new version of Honda vs Toyota vs Nissan.
370Z Nismo vs BMW Supra vs Civic Type R vs GT86 vs S2000 vs Civic Si vs Corolla vs Sentra Nismo vs Accord 2.0T vs Camry V6 vs Altima 2.0T
Dreamy no sorry we like our manuals not shitty unreliable cars with tons of technology (except z of course)
@@iketanikoichiro3519 i like Z's .
specially the new one that will be released in Spring of 2022.
these are awesome !
これはいい！
Love both that's why I have a 2000 Celica GTS and an AP1 s2000
We shall never ever see a fusion between Honda and Toyota because the two are Japan's main competitors.
The use a type r integra and not a TRD M celiaca... Bit odd?
+Duffyv2 There's another video on this channel where they use the TRD M Celica against the Type R and it still loses.
the JDM celica ss is the same as the usdm TRD celica dude, actually the ss is a bit better
Duffyv2 it would still loose lol
Xddd Jo like how Honda keeps on losing at Super GT? You know Japan's #1 Motorsports series? Right.
+ffaive Why so angry there, guy?
So let me get this straight, the best top Hondas you could possibly buy at that time barely beat your average everyday regular toyotas? Wow honda very impressive 😏
H3ntairican altezzas and celicas aren’t everyday toyotas mate lol, they’re still capable cars, the altezzas 2.0 engine put out 207bhp, and the Celica was considered one of the best handling FF cars with a high rev range and a fun chassis.
Nice try.
NSX was in production then; it would beat most of those cars by >5 seconds. And hell, bring the Supra and see how she does.... :)
@@unknowntm3856 why use the base model of celica why not the GTS?
Those aren't base model Celicas, they-re the SS-IIs (which is basically the JDM version of the GT-S) which use the 190HP 2ZZ.
Toyota gave a pretty good shot at the Celica but Honda was kicking ass with their FWD since the dawn of fucking day.
i cant believe miroshi has tons of these street cars races * o * ihuuuuuu
全部高回転型エンジンの車なだけにスタート加速の音の響きパネェ・・・ｗ
S 20000
❤️❤️🥰😍
Glad the Hondas all did the best.
Both are good brand. Both produce good automotive.
Well, my Celica may not be the fastest sports car, but I think it's still better looking then most.
And is a veriy reliable car too
Honda killin it =P
The Celica GTS was being driven the wrong way. The GTS Redline goes all the way up to 8200 and can easily pull on the uphill but they were not landing in lift of the larger cam.
Alex Chavez They couldn't get to 8200 because of Celica's 3rd gear ratio up that hill. 2nd gear would be too low and it isn't long enough to keep it ahead against the others cars on this track.
They don't have that issue at the willow springs track
Alex Chavez Ok? Willow Springs doesn't have a big enough hill then. The Celica drivers in this video still weren't driving improperly. The other cars are just better balanced for more complex tracks.
+Alex Chavez yeah you go tell them. after all they're all just amateurs! LMAO!
Alex Chavez probably because they're not at fucking willow springs and its a different track...
It's pretty much like my 1990 Integra LS sedan vs my friend's 2000 Celica GT. My B18A1 just plain murdered his 1ZZ, especially when shifting into 3rd, and that's even being 10 years older with 100k more miles on the odometer., and mine was rated at 130 HP while his was 140. Made my engine feel like a torque monster. That Celica GT was still a great car though, the Toyota quality just shines, but it lacked that special Honda magic sauce.
I have a 00 Tegra ls and a 04 corolla le both standard. Both rate at around 140. The Integra chirps 2nd gear all day. Never once heard the Rolla chirp even with $50 tires.
Race any 2zz celica and it will smoke you all day everyday bro ...
poor gearing kills the celicas. though in a straight line they are better than non-type R vtec engines. They should have compared these celicas to Si's its a much better comparison.
Even tho im a honda fan it would have been closer if they use a mr2 or a gt4. Sort of unfair IMO
They are using base models of Toyota and R models of honda
@@RedJohn86 no shit
KID CVCK that’s because Toyota has nothing to compare to the R models the gt4 was discontinued years before this was shot
@@RedJohn86 BS, those Celicas were SS models, top of the line. JDM equivalent to GTS
I love the Celica SS, just hope that Toyota could give it a more powerful engine or fit a turbocharger...
This video proves Toyota was never a rival for Honda ;)
1:56 its teh drift king
9:16 吼えるVTEC
The GT-S has 180hp in the US and 190hp overseas. Mine is a 2000 year model and fuel cut off is at about 8400 rpms. If you rev to about 8200, you stay in the power band with no issues or dead spots. I've never raced a Type R, but I think it would be closer than this. The 2zz is dead at lower rpms. Not much there. It's happy above 6000 rpms and rewards you if you drive it right. Also has a very restrictive exhaust from the factory which doesn't help. Mine is at 240,000 miles on original engine with nothing but suspension, intake, and exhaust. Burns no oil and has no issues at all. VVTLI still pulls hard and it corners well.
This track exposed the GT-S weakness in a race; the uphill climb.
Me with all my heart I’m a huuuuuuuge Toyota guy but I respect each and every integra,s2000 and civic there is
I love Dc2♡♡♡
HONDA POWER!
Honda is using type R models and ceilica is base model, shouldn't it be T models why didn't they use GTS or the GT4, where's the MR2 and 86?
Would liked to have seen Tsuchiya driving one of the Celica’s instead of the S2000! Nakaya should have had the FTO!
VTEC Revs the heart :) Honda All the way
BTW why are there so many toyota butt hurt fan boys in here?
Jeez kids, appreciate the race and move on.
Yea, honestly.
You guys got an LFA and FRS now. Be happy.
We lost the NSX and the S2000.
At least we still have the CRX successor - It's not good now, but I'm sure it'll receive a boost it needs.
***** I think Toyota and Honda should make a midengine entry sports car. Just hope no one oversteers themself to death.
+0001Stealth also the RCF the ISF the GSF the new Supra and also the old Supra ;)
+0001Stealth there's a video on here somewhere with a K20 shootout, there's a MR2 spider with a VTEC engine, it was sick, and fastest too
+Johnny Salvattore cause toyota fans dont know japanese car manufacturing history. people make fun of honda making lawn mowers, but thats just testimony to their engine making capabilities. toyota started as a company making fabric and sewing machines. no passion for cars at all, while honda started with bikes. shortly after honda went into f1 in 1964 while at the same time releasing a roadster for one of their first cars. other japanese manufacturers had no sports cars and shortly after toyota copied releasing a roadster in 1965. without honda all the other japanese manufacturers would still be making buses and trucks. now lets talk toyota sportivo.. crap! does not come close to honda type r's. just check youtube. and the gtrs get smashed by the nsx in both track and quarter mile. basically, research all of the japanese car manufacturers before u hate. also realise honda has the most advanced robot in the world and makes jets + bikes. p.s. not hating on you johnny salv.. just educating the nismo and trd kids.
wow it's so beautiful to see these cars together racing
reminds me of gran turismo psone :D
If you could move the toyota’s Lift control to a lower rpm like Honda it would be good but 6000! Is to damn high
toyota and their stupid gearing kept the celicas out of lift in the uphill section, why make the gears where it would fall out of lift on upshifts especially on a 1.8....
motherofmusic 2 i had to change the gearbox and use the 20v black top gearbox
They did it for fuel economy. :P
wtf they like never showed the s2000 - and its the reason that im here!
Seems like he was taking it easy
Johnny Salvattore and where was the Supra, and the turbo MR2s? Oppsss too much an S2000 can handle. MR2 alone will run the S2K any day. Haha
Angelo Cusipag macanada la erea.
Angelo Cusipag on that particular course a supra would gets it's tires eaten off by a stock S2K.
Angelo Cusipag It's already been proven the S2000 beats the MR2.
1st HONDA
2nd HONDA
3rd HONDA
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I own a ae86 right now , currently getting rdy to turbo it, stock engine rebuilt bluetop 16v. Owned many hondas including two s2000. I can tell you guys no street cars n/a from toyota can beat honda's. Especially's with today's popular k20/k24 civic swaps. The K series responds to bolt-on mods and turbo so well that even S2000's are starting to get K24 swaps slowly instead of the torqueless F20c. You can make easily 250hp out of K24's. Ae86 n2 atlantic tuned might stand a chance but its a race car and engine alone is over 18k$.
No Honda will beat Toyota's Supra, and Turbo MR2 stock. What's the fastest Honda has ever made? The NSX? Well Toyota has the LFA. You clearly don't know what you're talking about regarless of how many you've owned.
Did you read properly ? I said n/a , you obviously didn't read my comment properly and acted as a fanboy and yes, many honda's are faster than the mr2 n/a & turbo , even supra non turbos. The only toyota youre saying are faster are supra/soarer/celica all trac ect.. Because of the 1jz/2jz TT & 3sgte. Its not becausw its an supra that it means its fast btw.
Jacky L. I read it too fas because I was glancing. I'm an import fanboy and own a 2001 GT-S. They're not that fast stock but they will beat integras and older civics before the K20 engines.
Angelo Cusipag read a couple of your prior posts and you clearly don't know anything about honda's. So please do yourself a favour and stop talking and comparing vehicles. And if you want to talk about modern day vehicles please look at honda's lineup of vehicles coming out this year Civic Type R and NSX both of which are already glorified for their track accomplishments. The new NSX is a V6 TT producing approx. 500 hp (at the crank) and the new Type R is a 2 litre single turbo producing approx. 280 hp (at the crank). Oh and btw new NSX is less than half the cost of an LFA and outputs just as much power with almost half the motor, just saying.
Eric Rosa a win is a win no matter what the price is. Integra 170hp vs GT-S 180hp: GT-S. NSX vs LFA: LFA. Supra vs S2000: Supra. Type-S vs 90's MR2: MR2. Then of course there's Toyota's GT86, and TF1 (New Supra). Please, I've owned more cars and modified more engines than you have ever had in your life.