Lovely video Nic, great content showing how the system is gradually replaced and the steps you take to ensure a working and compliant system. I'm currently fitting a radio fire detection system to a nuclear power plant here in the UK, which is proving very successful so far. We are about 60% complete. Looking forward as always to your next video.
Loving this series. Didn't watch the whole video yet, but I can tell, that this is also is good. Keep up the good work! Love your documentation and content.
Coming along nicely. Congrats once again on another successful upgrade well done. As usual gonna miss those classic bells but just wait til the BIG New Year’s Eve event; it’s gonna be EPIC!!!
Once you're done with everything, can you do before and after shots on what the alarm sounds like? Meaning that you have a clip of the old system, then a clip of the new system. I haven't watched this yet so I don't know the progress yet.
I really love your Notifier installation videos Nic. They’re part of what got me into doing Notifier for my hobby system. I would love to be able to work with Notifier out in the field someday. 👍 🤩
The Sync-1 module was discontinued in the United States, its possible that system sensor realizes that card is not acceptable, or the UL said to kill it off. It's possible that CSA/UL(C), or System Sensor Canada has yet to follow in the same decisions. It's being recommended by System Sensor to use the MDL3 instead as it can follow the sync of other MDL3's, and from the panel/other sources. The booster idea is also acceptable too, especially with the high demand.
Not the biggest fan of those NAC expander cards, they never work. We had the same problem with those to the point we stopped using them. Id rather just use the full external power supplies like the PSE10. But even then lately, we have been getting tons of bad boards in from Honeywell (since they decided to make one whole power supply branded as honeywell, for any honeywell brand fire system) our companies owner actually complained a ton to them about it lol... Great video as always man!
With a lot of complaints to Notifier about the defective XP-6 cards, they'll definitely issue a recall on them with their other defective accessory boards because they just don't know how to get them to act right
Your Guys decision to go with the NAC Power Supplies is the right move in my opinion. not your fault the engineer spec'd what they spec'd. our standard procedure for a building such as a school is to use a FCM-1 to trip however many FCPS (or PS10 now days) we need for the NAC load when installing 3030 systems.
Furthermore, we have been having issues with those XP-6C cards as well. we recently replaced a XP-6C with (6) FCM-1s as we were having nothing but issues, it is a high rise, so we had to keep individual control of each circuit.
I think mechanical bells with vibration or mechanical horns and chime fire alarm are discontinued so it’s speaker strobe unit with voice evac time or electronic ones I think.
The previous strobe of Edwards are not synced until either until 1999 or 2003 idk along the way with genesis models if you see a red label sticker text it’s enhanced there is plenty of black ones which can be free run that has its Nac unit which will sync the strobes up evenly.
Fun Fact: If these devices were SpectrAlert Advance horn strobes and if they were overloaded then the pitch of the horn would drop because that happens when the voltage drops under their regulated voltage range as they use resistor based capacitor clocks instead of crystal based capacitor clocks
As much as EST deserves the shit it gets, one thing they did right was making their alarms (Genesis and Enhanced Integrity and newer) self-sync without any synchronization input. If only System Sensor could’ve done that too, but EST probably patented that technology something…
I don't mean to sound rude or anything but do you guys not use Honeywells multitude of calculators to determine how many power supplies and stuff you need to cover the amount of devices you're installing? I feel like that's a pretty major whoopsie. The drafting guy at the place I work for calculates everything beforehand and we usually don't risk putting the max amount of devices on each circuit. Now I will say the 3030 does have issues with booting when drawing major loads. There is a 3030 installed in a hotel near me I believe its my fire alarm inspection 15, that cannot boot with all the SLC cards plugged in due to boot up spike, but this building is way smaller so I dunno. That hotel has around 20 power supplies in the FACP room alone.
I would've thought someone would've. it isn't mine or my coworkers fault we are just provided products to install usually someone in the office of the company providing the materials should be looking over materials for compatibility with the system and that everything would work. they may not have been informed that the strobes need to be set to 110 which massively increases the load but I'm honestly not sure. Office people don't always have the same field experience therefore why XP-6CA curds were provided as in theory they should work but anyone with experience would avoid them.
@@nics-systems-electric fair enough. Also XP6-CA cards aren’t NAC cards they’re circuit control cards. They need a PS-24 or APS-24 to provide them with enough extra current to act as full nacs.
this is the biggest replace fire alarm system i notice unsync strobes that were crazy turn a firework but this video the strobes where going off but not horn that was weird buy hey did you got access the elevator shaft replace the detector with smoke
Did they reconnect the graphic annunciator? Or did they not get the card for it. Also, could you see if those cards have the same issue on your home panels?
The graphic annunciator hadn't been hooked up on the Quickstart either was not operational since the ESA 2000 unfortunately we never made that work again
Nick I warn you that thing you’re using to synchronize the strobes wasn’t gonna work. It caused un synchronization at your high school. That’s the same thing that’s happening here if you want have it synchronized just get a booster panel I’m not complaining. I’m just letting you know.
It's just Nic and yes, sometimes they do work. But that's not an excuse for Honeywell the product is supposed to do a job and it doesn't do it. Unfortunately "Warning me" doesn't change how the parts are specked for the job. I know, you know, and the tech knows that they cause problems. But that doesn't change parts that are already supplied.
How come detectors go green when installed? They didn’t do that in the past, did they? Btw I commented this in a different video that was completely off topic from this comment so I’m really embarrassed lol
Lovely video Nic, great content showing how the system is gradually replaced and the steps you take to ensure a working and compliant system. I'm currently fitting a radio fire detection system to a nuclear power plant here in the UK, which is proving very successful so far. We are about 60% complete. Looking forward as always to your next video.
18:35 "you're killing me smalls!" Part of my everyday vocabulary. Love it!
Lets go , Nic's out with a new vid 🤩
Love the series of the replacement 😊
Loving this series. Didn't watch the whole video yet, but I can tell, that this is also is good. Keep up the good work! Love your documentation and content.
"You're killin' me smalls!" 🤣
Nic's old High School... All over again 🤣🤣🤣
Coming along nicely. Congrats once again on another successful upgrade well done. As usual gonna miss those classic bells but just wait til the BIG New Year’s Eve event; it’s gonna be EPIC!!!
Once you're done with everything, can you do before and after shots on what the alarm sounds like? Meaning that you have a clip of the old system, then a clip of the new system. I haven't watched this yet so I don't know the progress yet.
It could be a UA-cam short
I really love your Notifier installation videos Nic. They’re part of what got me into doing Notifier for my hobby system. I would love to be able to work with Notifier out in the field someday. 👍 🤩
Awesome, thank you!
Hey, what does that one light called? Actually, if all the main lights are off that one light is on what is it?
Why is there always that one light is still on when the lights are off? What is that light called please? I do not know what it is called.
I've seen the same problems with those XP6-C cards.. They're a nightmare.
probably just bad ones
Yeah I've seen multiple issues with them myself and me and you aren't the only ones. why Honeywell still sells these I have no idea.
28:12 somebody has a great taste in music
Keep up with these videos I love them! I am also curious with different things and this is defiantly one thing i am curious about
That's good to hear I'm glad you like them
Awesome as always. Can’t wait to see the full verification soon
The Sync-1 module was discontinued in the United States, its possible that system sensor realizes that card is not acceptable, or the UL said to kill it off.
It's possible that CSA/UL(C), or System Sensor Canada has yet to follow in the same decisions. It's being recommended by System Sensor to use the MDL3 instead as it can follow the sync of other MDL3's, and from the panel/other sources. The booster idea is also acceptable too, especially with the high demand.
i love seeing your videos
Awesome video as always nic 😊
Not the biggest fan of those NAC expander cards, they never work. We had the same problem with those to the point we stopped using them. Id rather just use the full external power supplies like the PSE10. But even then lately, we have been getting tons of bad boards in from Honeywell (since they decided to make one whole power supply branded as honeywell, for any honeywell brand fire system) our companies owner actually complained a ton to them about it lol... Great video as always man!
With a lot of complaints to Notifier about the defective XP-6 cards, they'll definitely issue a recall on them with their other defective accessory boards because they just don't know how to get them to act right
this series was so good that i made it a playlist for myself
YAY NEW VID 😊😊😊
Yes a new video
awesome video
Hi
I like your vids!
Your Guys decision to go with the NAC Power Supplies is the right move in my opinion. not your fault the engineer spec'd what they spec'd. our standard procedure for a building such as a school is to use a FCM-1 to trip however many FCPS (or PS10 now days) we need for the NAC load when installing 3030 systems.
Furthermore, we have been having issues with those XP-6C cards as well. we recently replaced a XP-6C with (6) FCM-1s as we were having nothing but issues, it is a high rise, so we had to keep individual control of each circuit.
Yeah definitely. I've yet to have a good experience or hear a positive story with the XP-6CA cards especially trying to sync.
I think mechanical bells with vibration or mechanical horns and chime fire alarm are discontinued so it’s speaker strobe unit with voice evac time or electronic ones I think.
Good job
By the time you upgrade all the systems in the school it will be time to start all over again with the first school you upgraded.
The previous strobe of Edwards are not synced until either until 1999 or 2003 idk along the way with genesis models if you see a red label sticker text it’s enhanced there is plenty of black ones which can be free run that has its Nac unit which will sync the strobes up evenly.
Awesome
Fun Fact: If these devices were SpectrAlert Advance horn strobes and if they were overloaded then the pitch of the horn would drop because that happens when the voltage drops under their regulated voltage range as they use resistor based capacitor clocks instead of crystal based capacitor clocks
That's an interesting detail
Is the next one (part 5) gonna be the verification?
Yup
@@nics-systems-electric Yay!
lol, your coworker using the toy ride on wagon to carry the devices.
i want to see you crawling inside ventalation ducts. show more inside of them if you want
Maybe the wire of the higher duct detector is broken in the conduit
Those SYNC-1(A) cards are a total piece of crap it seems like. Anyways... great video! Can't wait for verification day!
Sounds just like your school before it was synchronized
first like
36:40 I've actually already seen that short once before!
I think you guys had pre-alarm on, probably why they were chirping
We don't use pre-alarm
As much as EST deserves the shit it gets, one thing they did right was making their alarms (Genesis and Enhanced Integrity and newer) self-sync without any synchronization input. If only System Sensor could’ve done that too, but EST probably patented that technology something…
That is a good feature
I don't mean to sound rude or anything but do you guys not use Honeywells multitude of calculators to determine how many power supplies and stuff you need to cover the amount of devices you're installing? I feel like that's a pretty major whoopsie. The drafting guy at the place I work for calculates everything beforehand and we usually don't risk putting the max amount of devices on each circuit.
Now I will say the 3030 does have issues with booting when drawing major loads. There is a 3030 installed in a hotel near me I believe its my fire alarm inspection 15, that cannot boot with all the SLC cards plugged in due to boot up spike, but this building is way smaller so I dunno. That hotel has around 20 power supplies in the FACP room alone.
I would've thought someone would've. it isn't mine or my coworkers fault we are just provided products to install usually someone in the office of the company providing the materials should be looking over materials for compatibility with the system and that everything would work. they may not have been informed that the strobes need to be set to 110 which massively increases the load but I'm honestly not sure. Office people don't always have the same field experience therefore why XP-6CA curds were provided as in theory they should work but anyone with experience would avoid them.
@@nics-systems-electric fair enough. Also XP6-CA cards aren’t NAC cards they’re circuit control cards. They need a PS-24 or APS-24 to provide them with enough extra current to act as full nacs.
@@FourtyFiftyEighty yes
Why do you love doing fire alarms?
Why don't you sell those alarms you replaced you could sell them.
this is the biggest replace fire alarm system i notice unsync strobes that were crazy turn a firework but this video the strobes where going off but not horn that was weird buy hey did you got access the elevator shaft replace the detector with smoke
I believe I did the elevator smoke on the final day
Did they reconnect the graphic annunciator? Or did they not get the card for it. Also, could you see if those cards have the same issue on your home panels?
The graphic annunciator hadn't been hooked up on the Quickstart either was not operational since the ESA 2000 unfortunately we never made that work again
@@nics-systems-electricare they going to get the card for it?
@@maxdutiel no it has the wrong front plastic graphic on it the one that's there is not transparent
Nick I warn you that thing you’re using to synchronize the strobes wasn’t gonna work. It caused un synchronization at your high school. That’s the same thing that’s happening here if you want have it synchronized just get a booster panel I’m not complaining. I’m just letting you know.
It's just Nic and yes, sometimes they do work. But that's not an excuse for Honeywell the product is supposed to do a job and it doesn't do it. Unfortunately "Warning me" doesn't change how the parts are specked for the job. I know, you know, and the tech knows that they cause problems. But that doesn't change parts that are already supplied.
Hey bro, how are you?
Why don't you guys put the System Sensor P2R advances but put the L series?
They haven't been made for over five years
How come detectors go green when installed? They didn’t do that in the past, did they?
Btw I commented this in a different video that was completely off topic from this comment so I’m really embarrassed lol
They do that when initializing on a 3030
When they go solid green, it means they're initializing
@@nics-systems-electric pretty much all onyx panels
@@FireTech7 i've only found the 3030s go solid green instead of flashing on 320 and 640
they do red whe the protocall is clip or litespeed
My schools Fire alarm system is so terribly designed
Love your energy!