I'M CONFLICTED: THE PAGANI DESIGN PD-1718
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Today we look at a fan favorite brand for the very first time - Pagani Design. For $75 USD it is a pretty great watch, but it leaves me feeling... conflicted.
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Please let me know what you think about this watch or homage watches in general. Please don't feel any judgement in this video if you collect them. My rule is always buy what makes you happy.
I Have quite a few cheaper watches love them all..how about a vintage segment lots of old watches out there. I have found hiemdallr watches great value citizen and red star..could never bring myself to buy a PD even for a cheap watch.i did buy a mmi turret chronograph. Not impressed bad bezel action and customer service experience very poor.did u get your free one .? How was the bezel.? Would be good to know
..Thanks Alton
Hmmm... I don't recall having any issued with the MMI Turret that was loaned in to the channel. I remember being pretty impressed with it over all. I'm sorry to hear that you haven't had a totally positive experience. (They never offered a free watch)
@@halfpastblog I thought they would give you a production model for the review you did for them.
That happens sometimes but not always. Bigger channels will usually get them free but not always the little guy.
@@halfpastblog how unfair is that.!!!
Thanks for a great review. I appreciate your passion for watch collecting and I certainly respect your opinion on this subject. I love homage watches and I have quite a few in my collection. I don't have a large budget for watch collecting so the homage watch prices are great for me. I just can't see myself paying over $500 for a watch of any kind however there are watch designs that I enjoy which are only available from a Homage manufacture in the price range that I shop in. Rolex, Panerai, Grand Seiko, Seiko Prospex, and others make amazing watches and I love to read about the history behind the brands and the watches. As mush as I enjoy the big brands they are just a bit out of my budget for some pieces so I go with a good homage. It works for me and I don't have the cost of ownership worries. "Buy what makes you happy?" Well stated and I completely agree. Cheers!
Hey, Jay. That means so much to me. I hope as an homage fan you didn't feel any judgement. I have no issues with homages or those who collect them. I myself can't afford (and wouldn't anyway) the real Tudor. I wanted to like this watch and I actually really do like it. And yet I don't ever feel like wearing it. And that's why I feel conflicted. Maybe another homage down the line will float my boat. I was pretty positive on the San Martin I reviewed a while back.
One of the best reviews! Great to see that somebody is able to truly describe a detailed experience of the watch!
You are far too kind. Thank you!
You know, I think that was the “warmest” watch review I’ve ever seen (especially featuring a Pagani Design piece)!
Thanks , my friend. 🍻
Great vid
Great video Alton couldn't agree more.you do get what you pay for the watch looks good but there is always a but.thanks mate.gday from Brisbane Australia
Thanks, buddy. I always appreciate your support. 🍻
I'm pretty sure you are not a watch snob but you did do 'a bit of a hatchet job' on the PD1718. Each to their own though and I appreciate that there can be variable 'quality' between individual watches...
I'm a recent convert to homage watches - having bought 10 in the last 6 months. I bought the PD1644 "Daytona" homage with the faux Meteorite dial for under £30 GBP. It's a fantastic watch. Extra sub-dial provides seconds. Embedded date window. No snowflake hand. Screw down pushers and Chronograph work flawlessly. It's more than waterproof enough for swimming. 3-5 year battery life.
What's not to like? Well, the lume is cr@p and leading edges of the clasp are a bit sharp. The latter is easily fixed in 2 minutes with a fine file and I rarely need to read a watch in the dark, so.... The biggest issue (for me) is that the lack of contrast between the hands and face makes it difficult to read 'at a quick glance' under certain light conditions. It does provide an excuse to stare at it's beauty for an extra milli-second or so though.
In truth, I rarely wear the PD1644 - it's become my "dress watch". My daily wear is typically my Lige 6801 "Smurf" or Steeldive SD1953 (in Black). I love the automatic movement and they just look 'right' on my arm. Many people have commented on them favourably and have mistaken them for something a lot more expensive. It's a delight to explain the whole 'homage culture' to them..
Awwwww.... I remember liking the watch quite a bit and being pretty fair about its qualities.
No conflict here, its superb for the money.
Thanks for the review. It's really remarkable that almost nobody in the numerous reviews of the watch adressed the topic of the usability of the chronograph function and talks about any imperfections.
Hopefully I was helpful. I always include nitpicks because no watch is perfect.
I have with a dark leather band.
I think this watch if it was double money would still be superb value !
Agreed
Right now this watch is 26$ and I just ordered mine, I’m sure even if I won’t like it in person I will just gift them.
Wow!
I think this is one of their better offerings full stop. They got a lot more right here than they do on their most expensive stuff. As for homages its a touchy subject. These aren't going head to head with Tudor as if you can afford a Tudor, you buy one. But if you can't, then these are a viable way to get that look without going for a fake. Of course these homages aren't even in the same league quality wise, but it offers the aesthetic which is what people want. Where it starts to stop making sense is when the homage is nearly the same price as the watch its homaging, then you may as well buy the original. For me homages of old (no longer available) watches are okay as are those of the unobtainable ones. But if they're too close in price, then you may as well get the original. Just my take.
I agree that this looks like a standout from their catalogue, and was why I was finally tempted. I agree that some homage get close in price to the original. Some have made the case that some factory brands actually exceed Seiko in terms of quality and materials. That's one situation where you could maybe make a case for spending some money on an homage rather than the original. Although for me I'd take the Seiko.
Good Day; I have the same watch! It works great! I also took it to Jamaica and went swimming with it. Can’t go wrong with the price point. It’s not perfect, well for my watch. I had to soak the bezel insert because the insert was of Alinement. I used grip solvent and with in 2 to 3 hours the insert came off and I re-aligned it perfectly. Grip solvent is used by golfers to remove old grip tape. Try it it is fool proof. Fill it to the insert bezel level. Good luck and enjoy it. 👍
That's great to know! I appreciate the tip.
Nice shirt!
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I get that Pagani are essentially 'photocopying' the designs but I don't think they are hurting or eating into the revenue or profits of those companies/watches they are homaging or who are creating the designs.
People who buy those watches want the real thing ... frankly people who buy the homage want the real thing but can't (won't ever?) Be able to afford them.
I agree. Tudor, Rolex etc. Are doing just fine. 👍👍
This is true. They cater to different markets. People who simply hate on these homages are technically just coming out of a biased or even snobbish point of view.
Agree on the homage thing. But then it’s a homage of a Tudor who are effectively the worlds luxury homage brand themselves. If you can get away with copying anyone its Tudor given all they do is copy Rolex. Circle of life.
Well that's a valid point right there.
Just an FYI, Tudor is owned by Rolex.
@@mmadchef808 I know. Makes zero difference. A homage is a homage - if it’s legal it’s legal. Tudor was literally set up as a company to do cheap versions of Rolex - pretty similar to most AliExpress companies starting point.
@@drdesign6886 it's OK for the sub-brand to provide a budget alternative to the parent. Lots of companies do it. Epiphone vs Gibson and Squier vs Fender guitars to name but two. Copies/homages made by unrelated brands is where it seems to polarise opinion. I'm a homage watch fan. I like getting the style and price-point offered. I wouldn't be in favour of a 'full on' fake item with imitation branding though...
Cheaper you mean.
Really nice video, thanks
I don’t have a white dial panda in my collection. I thought about this watch.
I don’t think the VK 64 turns me on.
I have a watch with the VK64 and it’s a great accurate quartz movement, it’s quartz though. That seems to be the sticking point. San Martin do a similar homage, about four times the price. I have other San Martin watches and I think they are brilliant. Their Tudor panda homage unfortunately for me comes with a manual wind ST19. I have a 1963 with this movement, as good as it is, I can’t be bothered with manual wind movements. So in the budget panda homages, this leaves the Sugess Dayona with the A Valjoux 7750. I am seriously thinking of getting this one. It maybe budget but it’s not that cheap.
Budget chronographs are really tricky. Either you get reliable quartz or unreliable Chinese movements. Step into the Valjoux and you get more reliability with a price and added thickness. It's a bit of a quandary.
I have no problems with any homage watch that has the company name or logo on the dial. I will get something similar to this maybe the new V4 with Meteorite style dial. Most can’t afford high priced watches. I will always choose several watches versus one expensive watch?
I can't afford luxury watches for sure.
I've got one I don't feel conflicted, just pleased! lol
Great!
I am very enthusistic about these 'maturing' chinese brands. At least if it gets damaged during use its 'too bad'. Would never dare doing anything real with the expensive stuff....
Maturing is a good word. They have come a long way.
The PD brand does a lot of good stuff even for the flaws and occasional QC issues. BTW Your videos are wonderfully produced, v. Impressed and inspired, thank you
You are far too kind. Thank you! 🍻
Ive never seen your channel before...i LOVE watches and i really appreciate the things you had to say👍😎i also really apppreciate companies like pagani that offer pieces that i love but am not able to purchase...like rolex or tudor...i dont think im wearing or try to pass off like im wearing a rolex..but i at least get that feeling...for myself...of rocking something that looks amazing and that i can get excited about...any chance a new subscriber would be in that same category as friend or relative as far as passing on that beautiful white dial pagani panda!?😉⌚️😎✌️
Ha ha. I appreciate the effort. Feel free to subscribe because I do giveaways from time to time.
@@halfpastblog Definitely subscribed even before i wrote the message😉👍Looking forward to more videos❤️⌚️✌️
You da man!
Great video Alton!
Thank you, my friend.
I ordered one but I’m definitely switching those hands
I'd like to see that
Hi. Im new to watches. I have a noob question. It doesnt come with a second hand? The 3rd hard is used for chronograph? Thanks
Yup. No second hand.
I have the black dial and I'm really happy with it.
Great to hear!
I love mine, no problems with my pushers or the bracelet screws backing out.
The only dislike I have is the ugs on the dial - would look better without it.
Glad to hear! Ya... The ugs seems unnecessary.
I thought the first panda was the Breitlings 1957 super ocean.
Could be. I have no idea.
Nice video Alton, I don't have this same watch but the very similar PD1644 Daytona homage white dial. Same movement. It however has the problem of thin stick hands with virtually no lume. In daytime it's fine though but I have it in a sailcloth strap. Don't wear it often anymore but it was a nice experiment at the price.
I think you summarize things well.. . A nice experiment. Thanks for commenting!
@@halfpastblog Sure, sorry it took me so long to remember to subscribe! I've watched you and Shane and Dave for a long time.
@@larrydalton2205 glad to have you aboard! I'm honoured to be in such great company.
The bottom 6 O clock markers not straight on any of these White Chronometers I’ve seem , it’s not way out but it buds me.
Well now I have to go check mine.
Nice video. I ordered the same. Since I can't get the Tudor ASAP. By the way. Haven't you been jn a boyband before? I swear you remind me of someone from a boyband.
Before you give up on the Chinese specials, maybe you should go up a tier or two. I get what you're saying about feeling the watch, but I absolutely love my steeldive sd1979 (squale homage), that I wear it more than another of my branded watches
I am not familiar with that particular Steeldive. I will have to check it out. Thanks!
Look for it in blue. Its the blue that makes it
If he Chronograph works, then why isn't the running seconds going while you're operating the Chronograph?
If you are referring to a seconds hand that indicates time as opposed to timing, there is none. Which is a nitpick of mine.
@@halfpastblog Oh wow, that's weird. Idk if I like that either! Anyway, I need to go to an AD to see if I even would like the look of the watch lol
It looks dead until you activate the chronograph. That's just the movement. Of course the Tudor will be mechanical and not have that issue.
Very thoughtful review.
Thank you, kind sir.
I am hearing prices on this same watch ranging from 50.00 To 400.00 dollars! whats going on?
I really don't know. Resellers?
Wow!
I completely agree, they are great value, but not for me. I like the way you search out more interesting watches, but let's hope this Pagani gets you a few more subscribers 🤞
Ha ha. Fingers crossed! 🍻🍻
Subscribed. Now I know. You was at Making the band in 2000. Otown
Lol. This is the first time I've heard that. Usually it is Jack Black. 🤣
I've had four watches from ALI EX but never really felt any connection to them, so flipped them all, I've now given up with ALI EX and would much prefer to buy micro brands even if they do cost a little more.
Buy what you love and you can't go wrong. 👍👍
@@halfpastblog Correct!! buy what you like and like what buy, but don't tell me what to buy cos' you're not my dad...LOL ...stay safe
Is true. I like it. I would like to make it better but it won't be my watch. Its just the lume pig in me that steeldive, addies dive, San martin have .
But the no lume goes to vostok. Not pagani. Even though the product price goes up there is no better lume. Scuba dude and astronaut to the moon.
All are wonderful.
Seagull st190.
Give this brand bashing for making a watch i love but am turned down
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In your last line, I'm not sure "snobby" is the right word. Maybe ethical? Conscientious? I don't know.
I Just know that I would love to own an Omega Aqua Terra, (but won't willingly pay that much for ANY watch). I've browsed several Ali-Express knockoffs for $100....but can't make myself buy one. It just seems wrong, and in the end, I don't think it will scratch that itch. The known issues with them, plus knowing that they are a blatant knock off, makes me walk away.
So, I feel your confliction. I just don't think it's snobbery(?)
Definitely take that last line as tongue in cheek. 🙂👍🍻
To me it isn't a matter of ethics although I'm sure a case can be made. Pagani Design isn't hurting Tudor in any way. But it is theft in a way.
It’s a watch .. relax.. you are not supposed to have feelings for it. You are not what you wear. People in general don’t care
That would make a great review, wouldn't it?
If you like watches you wouldn’t buy this CRAP!. They should be dragged into court for copying major brands designs. If they created their own designs nobody would buy them.
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If I had my way I'd never go to Boston Pizza. 👍