"My lesbian friend created a Barbarian, has stated she LIKES playing a barbarian, doesn't like wearing dresses and outright stated she would rather die than marry my OC, I threatened her friends over it and she still said no. Why is she mad at me? Surely she wants me right? Considering how often she's told me no literally to my face..." How thick can you be?
Hell naw, that Barbarian player NEEDS to drag that mouthbreather into daylight. This is injustice!! That Cleric player needs to know so his sorry ass can mope and apologize to her.
First story is not a terrible setup for an evil cult campaign. When the lover reveals she's a cult honey trap I got some delightful "Midsommer" or "Wicker Man" vibes.
yeah that was my thoughts, is stop hiding those details and be like hey y'all here's what's going on. People doing the "I don't wanna stir the pot" type mentality well... sometimes you just HAVE to in order to have peace of mind. If they don't take to it and blow you off, well you leave and put it behind you as a failed experience, but if they side with you and shut it down, you have friends and don't have to hate your hobby because of one jackass and your own fear
I love the DM trying to move on after she lost her hand. Like, forget the gameplay consequences, what about the mental trauma to the character? They're just going to move along after that?
I'm going to disagree with the assessment of the Wedding or TPK scenario. Between the DM and the Cleric, the players didn't respect OP's agency and person enough and she should have better friends than that, let alone table mates.
@@ArcCaravan Why would anyone tell anyone else about that? It's rather personal, and she would be betraying the trust of the GM who asked her in private. But yeah, letting the players know why the TPK came about would have been helpful.
@@shadiafifi54 That's why I prefaced not telling the others as "most you could blame OP for", as otherwise she did nothing wrong. Telling them about the "private conversation" would probably happen when explaining why the TPK happened.
Story #1 - This DM was so involved in playing out whatever was going on inside his head that he completely ignored what his Players wanted. It's all on him, the Barbarian did nothing wrong. Story #2 - Sounds to me like this bunch just wanted a "filler" DM - someone to run games for them when they had nothing 'better' to do. Story #3 - Not much to be done with MC, really, except to continue to hold him accountable for his actions and try to keep communications going. If he decides to leave, that's unfortunate but entirely his choice. if he starts acting out or something, time for another talk and possible booting. Story #4 - A new DM with a homebrew permanent damage system. Words to chill any RPGer to the core.
That thumbnail actually makes me feel bad knowing the guy in it (Shinra Kusakabe from Fire Force) was maliciously treated as a devil growing up because his face contorts into a smile when nervous.
Yeah, I'd rather see him use AI splash art than see some of my favorite characters get bastardized into creeps and weirdos. And Shinra didn't always have that Nervous Laughter disorder (this is an actual thing, and it's normally caused through either nerve damage or severe trauma). He got it after watching his own mother and home just burn before his eyes. That was the first time it happened, through a traumatic experience.
@AmaryInkawult You really think Doge is going to know all of this? I'm pretty sure he just grabs random images online he thinks will fit the theme of the story.
@@ArcCaravan tbh I'm surprised she let the narrative go for so long without some "okay what the actual fruck are you doing DM", that way maybe mr. cleric wouldn't end up siding with dm.
@@ArcCaravan Well yeah, maybe. But I think he could be like "I guess she has a reason to be mad, she stated it, so I can't pretend it's not there, if I side with DM, I will look like an asshole, maybe I shouldn't". Or maybe he would side with the DM anyway, and then OP would know for 100% that this friendship is not worth it. But yeah, it's not like op did sth wrong, I just stated, that I personally couldn't be so quiet about actions like that.
Second Story: Man, they were just trying to get someone to be a GM for their entire server, huh? They didn't care about learning how to GM; they just wanted someone to run a game for them to play their busted builds in. All 12 of them. That's so lame.
These videos always make me really appreciate my groups (I'm in two different games right now). For example, in one of my games, I'm playing as an elven nephilim monk with the champion archetype (we're playing Pathfinder 2e). It was recently revealed that his mother is a minor deity whose domain is that of dreams while his father is Asmodeus. There's a whole story involving an infernal contract with a get out clause requiring all of her children to reject their infernal heritage. Anyway, his mother can and does visit him in his dreams but it never impacts how well rested he is. Meanwhile, one of the other players is a trans lesbian, irl. Our GM had one to one conversations with all of us before we started to find out what we wanted for our characters and she told him that her character (a divine sorcerer) is a lesbian too. I think it was the second session when we encountered a bard and her brother who wanted to tag along with us. The bard is perfect for our sorcerer and the two have really hit it off. She has also become our go to NPC to bring with us when we go into dungeons. There's no funny business going on, btw. None of us have ever met face to face and two of us (the sorcerer and myself) live in completely different countries from the others. The GM is just very considerate of how we want our characters' stories to go and how we want to play them.
Yeah I love my campaign group as well. Game's on hiatus because DM had a big change in his life and is trying to get back on track. He did message us that he's definitely not giving up the game and will let us know as soon as he can when the guild can adventure again.
This weekend, we're doing a session 0 with the new rules. One of our friends came over the other day and borrowed a copy of the new phb and was looking through it. He starts complaining about everything. Why do rangers get magic, why would you want to play a tabaxi zealot barbarian, why should any race get flying, druids are stupid. My whole house was getting frustrated with the guy. He's a 2e elitist. I think the DM is regretting inviting him. There's extenuating circumstances for him getting invited in the first place, but it's not something I feel like sharing.
The answer to all those questions is: "Because it's cool". I mean I'm Just a random dude on the Internet, but if he does the same again, someone needs to tell him to pipe down or get out.
The other "forced bride" story I remember was a girl cleric finally deciding not to go along with the DMs bullshit and leaves the table. Basically the good ending
Chasing Player Story. I could see mounting Fatigue as a consequence of 'Visions in your sleep' if those 'Visions' were sent by the BBEG Freddie Krueger style. It should build over time and slowly, giving the Players a little Clock so to speak. They have to find and stop the BBEG before they succumb to the Fatigue and die. And you should put hints around like finding regular folk already dead and others in later stages of it. Could make a good horror session.
@@ArcCaravan But that causes Psychic Damage and effects only one at a time. I'm talking about effecting an entire Party at a distance of miles away and even entire villages worth of people simultaneously. But not trying to kill them off quickly.
Oh FFS men like the first DM are exhausting and infuriating. Being gay isn't a choice, guys. If she's not into men, you aren't going to be a magical exception. Stop harassing lesbians.
Yup, if one has feeling for a lesbian, just accept it's not gonna happen. At most only tell them the feelings if said feelings torture one that much. But be sure that it won't happen. Just move on and find someone who is into you.
But if based off history that couples have been known to date the opposite gender of what they were just with, in order to not invalidate them we have to say it's possible to be a magical exception. That being said, even if what I said was correct, first DM still doesn't fall under that. Dude was just trying to be a creep, simple as
I had something like this happen in one of my gaming groups when I lived in Clarksville in '91. There was this smart and sexy woman that played in one of my games and also participated in Dagorhir. She had a crush on one of the male players who was gay and also participated in Dagornir. The gay player had a crush on me, who ran thew game and participated in Dagorhir. A hell of a love triangle.
I have a slight issue with the second OP's definition of metagaming, as the example they showed looks like an out of character suggestion to another player
Agreed. If OP is *that* uptight, to the point where players aren't even allowed to remind each other of their abilities, then I'm not surprised that people decided to dip. It was rude to do so in the middle of the session, of course, and I agree with Doge that OP ghosting them was pretty rude also. It sounds like they just had irreconcilable differences in how the game should be played. It was probably obvious to everyone after session zero, but nobody on either side had the cojones to just call it off, instead opting to go the passive-aggressive route.
I can't help but wonder if the dropouts were more to do with dissatisfaction with OP's DMing style, that steam download excuse sounded awfully contrived and "I prefer narrative over combat" is a red flag to a lot of inexperienced players who want to do cool shit and kill monsters
@@Captaincory1 I think more context could be useful, like if they even used their abilities before asking or introduced themselves with their classes explained. Still this here is a minor problem for the players.
Injury Table: You're going to sit here and tell me. A fantasy king of an ultra powerful kingdom, where even the most mundane of people are high-level casters, doesn't have a diamond? Non of his high spell casting subjects have a diamond. Be so FR. It def would've been cheaper to have the hand regrow rather than have this magical prosthetic.😂
I get the feeling the GM was one of those people who's allergic to admitting they got something wrong and sees it as 'giving in' or something stupid like that.
Honestly the dude in the second story kind of sounds like they’re full of themselves. The group might not have been great, sure, but for whatever their faults, they had comparatively more realistic expectations. When someone starts bitching about “metagaming” over simple gameplay mechanics, the bullshit detectors start going off. Talking to each other, helping other players, reminding them or giving them tips and pointers is a massive part of the social aspect of the game. If your table is not able to interact with, help, and support each other like functional human beings at the most basic level, there will be much larger problems. By OP’s logic, character creation, rolling the dice in the first damn place, and using their own creativity would all be considered metagaming.
Oh man. That first story. It was already terrible and cringe and when the DM asked her out after everything exploded just did me in. That's it. Faith in humanity lost. Sayonara, everyone.
I do permanent damage, but only for important plot points (basically bosses that can do that if the players aren't careful) and as an excuse to use my homebrew prosthetics.
That permanent injury system where the player loses limbs reminds me of the game Fear & Hunger where you can also lose limbs, this was an important part of combat, because for example you could cut the arm where a monster was holding a knife so it could attack you with it
Permanent injuries in games are great when used properly. My current go-to system has an optional permanent injury table for when players reach -7 to -9 HP. The player has to roll a constitution save and it's stuff like losing some hearing, losing a finger, losing an eye, large scar, etc. Nothing that takes the PC out of the game but plays a roll in how they play from then on and it's a warning to be careful not to pick fights that are high risk. More so since death comes at -10 HP regardless of your level.
The thing I have to say about the first story is it really makes no sense for someone who's supposed to be your friend, and who knows you're gay to still try to hit on you in the tone deaf assumption you'd want to be with them. Like... no. And it's like he fantasised about it and put it into his game where he had some control, because he knew you'd say no, and still asks anyway. I get being really into someone who isn't interested back, but when they tell you no, learn to accept it. And don't try to override their agency in a game because you can't do it in real life.
many moons ago I had a player who said they felt like I was picking on them and targeting them. When he laid out the grievances, at first glance yes it very much looks like I was dumping on him, but them I reminded him of all the things I was doing to attempt to save his ass. One such instance, party is going down a very narrow spiral staircase of stone, underground so dimly lit, smooth stone steps covered in damp moss. I describe very slippery condition and making EVERYONE roll balance checks to safely traverse the stairs, he rolls a nat 1 so starts to stumble. I let every single person roll to try to catch him, sadly every roll failed because they were trying to steady themselves. I let him roll again to try to stop his tumbling down the stairs, he rolls a 2, make him roll a fortitude, rolls a 1... so calculating the fall damage of going down 40-50' of stone stairs in a tumble, he broke his neck. He was upset then I remembered, the wizard had gone down the stairs first and was already at the bottom, so I rewind and tell the wizard "you hear him falling do you try to catch him", player (and it was all well done) who is playing the 16 year old half-elf wizard, turns to see this 6'5" 200lb half-orc tumbling down the stairs, says hell no and jumps out of the way, fails the reflex save, half-orc lands on the wizard, both take damage, both live. Another instance, party gets an airship, I didn't want an airship but I played along because I had a way to deal with it that was very much in line with the game. They are traveling, and the artificer lets the alchemist (same player as the half-orc but different character) use her lab on the air ship to make things. Airship comes under attack, 3 of the 4 engines blown to hell and is crashing... artificer LOCKS THE ALCHEMST INTO THE POTIONS LAB, airship crashes, goes up in flames, all those potions and vials go off, character is vaporized. He was mad at me that *I* killed the character I'm like no... no I didn't do anything of the kind, I attacked the airship, not you. I love rewarding creativity, and I've been accused of favoritism and targeting and tell them... it looks like favoritism because they talk to me and you don't, they ask if a feat/spell/magic item is viable or available and we discuss how it could be a thing... you don't talk to me all week until next session. I have no issue throwing magical gear and potions and all kinds of neat things I just want it run by me on how it's viable and maybe I can make it a side quest that pops up that makes the party go yeah sure let's detour over here. But if you are the one that jumps in front of a mob of already action readied enemies and get pummeled, don't yell at me when I said "are you SURE?!" then expect super gear when I don't hear from you
Story: "I drifted away from the group, haven't talked with them in years, and haven't been willing to play dnd as a player since" Doge: "Man that really sucks, hopefully they talked it out and everyone reconnected and op has played dnd as a player again" Yeah man, I'm sure they did
I would ask the person that had main character syndrome if they wanted to be there and if they did, to tone that down or they would end up like Tiberius.
The last story... Makes me think of Fear and Hunger. It's a fun game, but can be extraordinarily punishing if you slip up (Your party members can get their limbs severed by certain traps and attacks). That being said, definitely not a fun concept for DnD unless all the players are cool with prior to starting and even then, I think having more ways than one ridiculously costly way to restore permanent damage should be available to the players as well. The previous DM could've been more reasonable without stepping on toes as he did.
The thing is the king is under no obligation to do anything. He's a king, at his word the players die. The player went into bully mode, instead of PC mode.
I'm okay with permanent injuries, but it should be fitting. Losing an eye when an opponent lands a crit to a character's face? Sure, seems legit. Randomly losing a hand while running out of a cave, not so much. Not to mention, permanent injuries CAN add an excellent role playing opportunity of recounting particular battles. In the campaign I'm currently running, a rogue spy master proudly bears the scars from a fireball that nearly killed her, while the paladin and rather often use their own scars to demonstrate their survivability when NPCs tell them that they are going into dangerous areas.
I’ve been running games for 35 years and every female who’s ever touristed with her boyfriend is obsessed with the potential dating simulator aspects of the game. The men, however, almost never went there, because it’s no fun to play a game of real life on Saturday night. There are reasons these hobbies were started by men and stayed men’s hobbies for so long. Men and women need time apart for sanitiy’s sake.
You okay Doge? You don't sound like your normal self? If so, feel better, if not I need to check my hearing. Okay Simba I'll got to my other UA-cam account and subscribe to Doge.
I'm honestly annoyed with the OP for the first story, though not as much as I am at the DM. Not wanting to hurt someone's feelings leads to her ghosting the entire friend group - that's worse than hurting wizard and rogue's feelings. At least if she told the truth she could figure out who her real friends in that group are.
At first i was like well the barbarian saying that they'll just let the party die just because they didn’t want to get married sounds like a huge out of character thing to do. Like imagine, you are there, in the fantasy world, your friends lives are on the line, all three of them, and you just say "nah, i rather not marry so ill let them die". Bro no good person would let that happen. But then dm was like "go out with me", so now im like lol what a poor way to play that hand.
@@anthonyseverino8292 I think by that point, Barbarian was too checked out of the game as it was just DM forcing a heterosexual relationship on a lesbian. Only cleric cared enough to sacrifice her for himself while the rest stopped caring. And the party was already murdered by that point, Barbarian just didn't practically sell herself to slavery to a Master saying he'd revive them.
Somethings telling me that IF op agreed to the wedding to save the other players there would be a "making fantasy jesus" scene in details after that and an entire pregnancy arc. Imagine being speared from death only to watch your female party member getting railed by a god and watch the half god baby grow inside of her (Also some other bs dm would probably do and even MORE attention to god wifey) (Accidentally press on the send bottom too early so I edit it)
@@anthonyseverino8292 No good person would let their friend be blackmailed or threatened into being something's wife, even to save their own life. The party responded appropriately (until cleric's player victim blamed).
A true gigachad would (1) not try to convert a lesbian, (2) respect her and her sexuality, and (3) be wise enough, and confident enough in himself and his own self worth, to not try romantically pursuing someone whom he knows is unattainable.
@@kevlonk "What's that? YOU'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO ME BECAUSE YOU LIKE GIRLS?!?!...oh, well." I'm reminded of Love After World Domination(TLDR: Romeo and Juliet mixed with Power Rangers) where Gelato Red learns that the girl trying to blackmail him into breaking up with his girlfriend is in love with said girlfriend herself and he's so devoted to his love that he told the blackmailer that she has great taste in women.
"My lesbian friend created a Barbarian, has stated she LIKES playing a barbarian, doesn't like wearing dresses and outright stated she would rather die than marry my OC, I threatened her friends over it and she still said no. Why is she mad at me? Surely she wants me right? Considering how often she's told me no literally to my face..." How thick can you be?
Sometimes no mean yes
And when it's always no then it's no
Probably 😂
Sadly, all too common.
Hell naw, that Barbarian player NEEDS to drag that mouthbreather into daylight. This is injustice!! That Cleric player needs to know so his sorry ass can mope and apologize to her.
I'll join my brothers in the fire is a hard ass thing to say I love it
Agreed brother!
First story is not a terrible setup for an evil cult campaign. When the lover reveals she's a cult honey trap I got some delightful "Midsommer" or "Wicker Man" vibes.
Yeah that god sounded evil AF and gave me real Labyrinth Goblin King vibes.
First story: WTF, TELL THEM!!! THEN THE PARTY WOULD KNOW WHY IT WAS A TPK!!!!!!! LIKE, SERIOUSLY. WHAT
@@harlequeenchannel Sounded like rogue and wizard knew enough to not blame OP.
@@ArcCaravantrue hopefully we get an update
@@Chaosreturnsdead I personally doubt we'll get an update since it's an older story.
yeah that was my thoughts, is stop hiding those details and be like hey y'all here's what's going on. People doing the "I don't wanna stir the pot" type mentality well... sometimes you just HAVE to in order to have peace of mind. If they don't take to it and blow you off, well you leave and put it behind you as a failed experience, but if they side with you and shut it down, you have friends and don't have to hate your hobby because of one jackass and your own fear
Barbarian story sounds like that episode of OG Star Trek gone stupid.
"once you multiclass"
Welp.
That should be something that the player asks the dm if they can multi class so the dm can work it into the story
I love the DM trying to move on after she lost her hand. Like, forget the gameplay consequences, what about the mental trauma to the character? They're just going to move along after that?
He just wanted to 'hand wave' it! ... I'll see myself out.
Who here believes her "friends" were actually so dense they didn't know what was going on long before the tipping point?
I'm going to disagree with the assessment of the Wedding or TPK scenario. Between the DM and the Cleric, the players didn't respect OP's agency and person enough and she should have better friends than that, let alone table mates.
@@oneandonlymario659 Most you could blame OP for is not telling the other players about DM's date request.
@@ArcCaravan Why would anyone tell anyone else about that? It's rather personal, and she would be betraying the trust of the GM who asked her in private.
But yeah, letting the players know why the TPK came about would have been helpful.
@@shadiafifi54 That's why I prefaced not telling the others as "most you could blame OP for", as otherwise she did nothing wrong. Telling them about the "private conversation" would probably happen when explaining why the TPK happened.
That DM is a slug.
Story #1 - This DM was so involved in playing out whatever was going on inside his head that he completely ignored what his Players wanted. It's all on him, the Barbarian did nothing wrong.
Story #2 - Sounds to me like this bunch just wanted a "filler" DM - someone to run games for them when they had nothing 'better' to do.
Story #3 - Not much to be done with MC, really, except to continue to hold him accountable for his actions and try to keep communications going. If he decides to leave, that's unfortunate but entirely his choice. if he starts acting out or something, time for another talk and possible booting.
Story #4 - A new DM with a homebrew permanent damage system. Words to chill any RPGer to the core.
That thumbnail actually makes me feel bad knowing the guy in it (Shinra Kusakabe from Fire Force) was maliciously treated as a devil growing up because his face contorts into a smile when nervous.
Yeah, I'd rather see him use AI splash art than see some of my favorite characters get bastardized into creeps and weirdos. And Shinra didn't always have that Nervous Laughter disorder (this is an actual thing, and it's normally caused through either nerve damage or severe trauma). He got it after watching his own mother and home just burn before his eyes. That was the first time it happened, through a traumatic experience.
@AmaryInkawult You really think Doge is going to know all of this? I'm pretty sure he just grabs random images online he thinks will fit the theme of the story.
@@AzureKyle That doesn't make it any less annoying.
@@AzureKyle of course not, that's why I said it here
@@AmaryInkawultis that the same thing that Joaquin Phoenix's Joker has?
the player should of told the other players what the DM did then they could of all left him for doing such BS just to hit on her..
@@majinnbuu9363 Agreed. Not sure how cleric would react, but the other two seemed like they wouldn't put up with that behavior from DM.
@@ArcCaravan tbh I'm surprised she let the narrative go for so long without some "okay what the actual fruck are you doing DM", that way maybe mr. cleric wouldn't end up siding with dm.
@@matissimoj1190 Based on how cleric acted after the TPK, I have zero reason to trust or pity him. He was more concerned about victim blaming OP.
@@ArcCaravan Well yeah, maybe. But I think he could be like "I guess she has a reason to be mad, she stated it, so I can't pretend it's not there, if I side with DM, I will look like an asshole, maybe I shouldn't". Or maybe he would side with the DM anyway, and then OP would know for 100% that this friendship is not worth it. But yeah, it's not like op did sth wrong, I just stated, that I personally couldn't be so quiet about actions like that.
@@matissimoj1190 With his unsubtle the DM was, any sane person would blame him over the player he targetted.
Second Story: Man, they were just trying to get someone to be a GM for their entire server, huh? They didn't care about learning how to GM; they just wanted someone to run a game for them to play their busted builds in. All 12 of them. That's so lame.
It's a good thing op in the first story turned him down for a second game. This is the kinda guy that would do a revenge campaign
Yep, it's best to avoid time waste and dealing with petty revenge and just move on
These videos always make me really appreciate my groups (I'm in two different games right now).
For example, in one of my games, I'm playing as an elven nephilim monk with the champion archetype (we're playing Pathfinder 2e). It was recently revealed that his mother is a minor deity whose domain is that of dreams while his father is Asmodeus. There's a whole story involving an infernal contract with a get out clause requiring all of her children to reject their infernal heritage. Anyway, his mother can and does visit him in his dreams but it never impacts how well rested he is.
Meanwhile, one of the other players is a trans lesbian, irl. Our GM had one to one conversations with all of us before we started to find out what we wanted for our characters and she told him that her character (a divine sorcerer) is a lesbian too. I think it was the second session when we encountered a bard and her brother who wanted to tag along with us. The bard is perfect for our sorcerer and the two have really hit it off. She has also become our go to NPC to bring with us when we go into dungeons.
There's no funny business going on, btw. None of us have ever met face to face and two of us (the sorcerer and myself) live in completely different countries from the others. The GM is just very considerate of how we want our characters' stories to go and how we want to play them.
Yeah I love my campaign group as well. Game's on hiatus because DM had a big change in his life and is trying to get back on track. He did message us that he's definitely not giving up the game and will let us know as soon as he can when the guild can adventure again.
This weekend, we're doing a session 0 with the new rules. One of our friends came over the other day and borrowed a copy of the new phb and was looking through it. He starts complaining about everything. Why do rangers get magic, why would you want to play a tabaxi zealot barbarian, why should any race get flying, druids are stupid. My whole house was getting frustrated with the guy. He's a 2e elitist. I think the DM is regretting inviting him. There's extenuating circumstances for him getting invited in the first place, but it's not something I feel like sharing.
The answer to all those questions is: "Because it's cool".
I mean I'm Just a random dude on the Internet, but if he does the same again, someone needs to tell him to pipe down or get out.
I had to click to see if the titular story was the one I thought, it wasn't , but messed up that there's two stories that similar
This was exactly the story I thought it was. DM's scum and cleric isn't much better.
Truly a I'd have two nickels situation
The other "forced bride" story I remember was a girl cleric finally deciding not to go along with the DMs bullshit and leaves the table. Basically the good ending
Chasing Player Story. I could see mounting Fatigue as a consequence of 'Visions in your sleep' if those 'Visions' were sent by the BBEG Freddie Krueger style. It should build over time and slowly, giving the Players a little Clock so to speak. They have to find and stop the BBEG before they succumb to the Fatigue and die. And you should put hints around like finding regular folk already dead and others in later stages of it. Could make a good horror session.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 They already have that in DnD5e with the dream spell.
@@ArcCaravan But that causes Psychic Damage and effects only one at a time. I'm talking about effecting an entire Party at a distance of miles away and even entire villages worth of people simultaneously. But not trying to kill them off quickly.
Oh FFS men like the first DM are exhausting and infuriating.
Being gay isn't a choice, guys.
If she's not into men, you aren't going to be a magical exception. Stop harassing lesbians.
Yup, if one has feeling for a lesbian, just accept it's not gonna happen.
At most only tell them the feelings if said feelings torture one that much. But be sure that it won't happen.
Just move on and find someone who is into you.
But if based off history that couples have been known to date the opposite gender of what they were just with, in order to not invalidate them we have to say it's possible to be a magical exception.
That being said, even if what I said was correct, first DM still doesn't fall under that. Dude was just trying to be a creep, simple as
I'd add don't force yourself on anyone.
Guys like that dm give the rest of us guys a bad name
I had something like this happen in one of my gaming groups when I lived in Clarksville in '91. There was this smart and sexy woman that played in one of my games and also participated in Dagorhir. She had a crush on one of the male players who was gay and also participated in Dagornir. The gay player had a crush on me, who ran thew game and participated in Dagorhir. A hell of a love triangle.
That was rather satisfying to hear OP of the permanent injury story not take any of the DMs bullshit
@@Michaeljack81sk Even better by using the DM's own unbalanced setting against him.
@@ArcCaravan Yes, that was the icing on the cake
I have a slight issue with the second OP's definition of metagaming, as the example they showed looks like an out of character suggestion to another player
Agreed. If OP is *that* uptight, to the point where players aren't even allowed to remind each other of their abilities, then I'm not surprised that people decided to dip. It was rude to do so in the middle of the session, of course, and I agree with Doge that OP ghosting them was pretty rude also. It sounds like they just had irreconcilable differences in how the game should be played. It was probably obvious to everyone after session zero, but nobody on either side had the cojones to just call it off, instead opting to go the passive-aggressive route.
I can't help but wonder if the dropouts were more to do with dissatisfaction with OP's DMing style, that steam download excuse sounded awfully contrived and "I prefer narrative over combat" is a red flag to a lot of inexperienced players who want to do cool shit and kill monsters
@@Captaincory1 I think more context could be useful, like if they even used their abilities before asking or introduced themselves with their classes explained. Still this here is a minor problem for the players.
The players from the Discord Discorse story know they are terrible, that is why nobody of them wants to run a game for the others.
Injury Table: You're going to sit here and tell me. A fantasy king of an ultra powerful kingdom, where even the most mundane of people are high-level casters, doesn't have a diamond? Non of his high spell casting subjects have a diamond. Be so FR. It def would've been cheaper to have the hand regrow rather than have this magical prosthetic.😂
I get the feeling the GM was one of those people who's allergic to admitting they got something wrong and sees it as 'giving in' or something stupid like that.
Honestly the dude in the second story kind of sounds like they’re full of themselves. The group might not have been great, sure, but for whatever their faults, they had comparatively more realistic expectations.
When someone starts bitching about “metagaming” over simple gameplay mechanics, the bullshit detectors start going off. Talking to each other, helping other players, reminding them or giving them tips and pointers is a massive part of the social aspect of the game. If your table is not able to interact with, help, and support each other like functional human beings at the most basic level, there will be much larger problems.
By OP’s logic, character creation, rolling the dice in the first damn place, and using their own creativity would all be considered metagaming.
Oh man. That first story. It was already terrible and cringe and when the DM asked her out after everything exploded just did me in. That's it. Faith in humanity lost. Sayonara, everyone.
I do permanent damage, but only for important plot points (basically bosses that can do that if the players aren't careful) and as an excuse to use my homebrew prosthetics.
That permanent injury system where the player loses limbs reminds me of the game Fear & Hunger where you can also lose limbs, this was an important part of combat, because for example you could cut the arm where a monster was holding a knife so it could attack you with it
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That first story is heartbreaking.
Permanent injuries in games are great when used properly. My current go-to system has an optional permanent injury table for when players reach -7 to -9 HP. The player has to roll a constitution save and it's stuff like losing some hearing, losing a finger, losing an eye, large scar, etc. Nothing that takes the PC out of the game but plays a roll in how they play from then on and it's a warning to be careful not to pick fights that are high risk. More so since death comes at -10 HP regardless of your level.
The thing I have to say about the first story is it really makes no sense for someone who's supposed to be your friend, and who knows you're gay to still try to hit on you in the tone deaf assumption you'd want to be with them. Like... no. And it's like he fantasised about it and put it into his game where he had some control, because he knew you'd say no, and still asks anyway. I get being really into someone who isn't interested back, but when they tell you no, learn to accept it. And don't try to override their agency in a game because you can't do it in real life.
many moons ago I had a player who said they felt like I was picking on them and targeting them. When he laid out the grievances, at first glance yes it very much looks like I was dumping on him, but them I reminded him of all the things I was doing to attempt to save his ass.
One such instance, party is going down a very narrow spiral staircase of stone, underground so dimly lit, smooth stone steps covered in damp moss. I describe very slippery condition and making EVERYONE roll balance checks to safely traverse the stairs, he rolls a nat 1 so starts to stumble. I let every single person roll to try to catch him, sadly every roll failed because they were trying to steady themselves. I let him roll again to try to stop his tumbling down the stairs, he rolls a 2, make him roll a fortitude, rolls a 1... so calculating the fall damage of going down 40-50' of stone stairs in a tumble, he broke his neck. He was upset then I remembered, the wizard had gone down the stairs first and was already at the bottom, so I rewind and tell the wizard "you hear him falling do you try to catch him", player (and it was all well done) who is playing the 16 year old half-elf wizard, turns to see this 6'5" 200lb half-orc tumbling down the stairs, says hell no and jumps out of the way, fails the reflex save, half-orc lands on the wizard, both take damage, both live.
Another instance, party gets an airship, I didn't want an airship but I played along because I had a way to deal with it that was very much in line with the game. They are traveling, and the artificer lets the alchemist (same player as the half-orc but different character) use her lab on the air ship to make things. Airship comes under attack, 3 of the 4 engines blown to hell and is crashing... artificer LOCKS THE ALCHEMST INTO THE POTIONS LAB, airship crashes, goes up in flames, all those potions and vials go off, character is vaporized. He was mad at me that *I* killed the character I'm like no... no I didn't do anything of the kind, I attacked the airship, not you.
I love rewarding creativity, and I've been accused of favoritism and targeting and tell them... it looks like favoritism because they talk to me and you don't, they ask if a feat/spell/magic item is viable or available and we discuss how it could be a thing... you don't talk to me all week until next session. I have no issue throwing magical gear and potions and all kinds of neat things I just want it run by me on how it's viable and maybe I can make it a side quest that pops up that makes the party go yeah sure let's detour over here. But if you are the one that jumps in front of a mob of already action readied enemies and get pummeled, don't yell at me when I said "are you SURE?!" then expect super gear when I don't hear from you
"Who is this god? Beetlejuice?" XD
Story: "I drifted away from the group, haven't talked with them in years, and haven't been willing to play dnd as a player since"
Doge: "Man that really sucks, hopefully they talked it out and everyone reconnected and op has played dnd as a player again"
Yeah man, I'm sure they did
Greater Restoration doesn't restore limbs. Regenerate Does. The difference being two spell levels and NO diamond component.
I would ask the person that had main character syndrome if they wanted to be there and if they did, to tone that down or they would end up like Tiberius.
The last story... Makes me think of Fear and Hunger. It's a fun game, but can be extraordinarily punishing if you slip up (Your party members can get their limbs severed by certain traps and attacks). That being said, definitely not a fun concept for DnD unless all the players are cool with prior to starting and even then, I think having more ways than one ridiculously costly way to restore permanent damage should be available to the players as well. The previous DM could've been more reasonable without stepping on toes as he did.
The thing is the king is under no obligation to do anything. He's a king, at his word the players die. The player went into bully mode, instead of PC mode.
I'm okay with permanent injuries, but it should be fitting. Losing an eye when an opponent lands a crit to a character's face? Sure, seems legit. Randomly losing a hand while running out of a cave, not so much.
Not to mention, permanent injuries CAN add an excellent role playing opportunity of recounting particular battles. In the campaign I'm currently running, a rogue spy master proudly bears the scars from a fireball that nearly killed her, while the paladin and rather often use their own scars to demonstrate their survivability when NPCs tell them that they are going into dangerous areas.
I’ve been running games for 35 years and every female who’s ever touristed with her boyfriend is obsessed with the potential dating simulator aspects of the game. The men, however, almost never went there, because it’s no fun to play a game of real life on Saturday night.
There are reasons these hobbies were started by men and stayed men’s hobbies for so long. Men and women need time apart for sanitiy’s sake.
This was a good video like always.
What Monk subclass do you think Simba would be? Or do you think he would be a Cleric?
You okay Doge? You don't sound like your normal self? If so, feel better, if not I need to check my hearing.
Okay Simba I'll got to my other UA-cam account and subscribe to Doge.
I feel like you told the first story about 2 years back...?
@@CooperAATE Maybe not. It's an old story and I definitely heard it before on another channel.
I've heard it on crispys
@@Nyx685 Ah, that could be where I heard it too. I knew I recognised it from somewhere.
this thumbnail makes hinra look like a creep which couldnt be further from the truth
First story is barf ....
I'm honestly annoyed with the OP for the first story, though not as much as I am at the DM. Not wanting to hurt someone's feelings leads to her ghosting the entire friend group - that's worse than hurting wizard and rogue's feelings. At least if she told the truth she could figure out who her real friends in that group are.
At first i was like well the barbarian saying that they'll just let the party die just because they didn’t want to get married sounds like a huge out of character thing to do. Like imagine, you are there, in the fantasy world, your friends lives are on the line, all three of them, and you just say "nah, i rather not marry so ill let them die". Bro no good person would let that happen.
But then dm was like "go out with me", so now im like lol what a poor way to play that hand.
Yes they would. Choosing between marrying against your will to someone you don't like and death? Plenty of people throughout history chose death.
@@anthonyseverino8292 I think by that point, Barbarian was too checked out of the game as it was just DM forcing a heterosexual relationship on a lesbian. Only cleric cared enough to sacrifice her for himself while the rest stopped caring. And the party was already murdered by that point, Barbarian just didn't practically sell herself to slavery to a Master saying he'd revive them.
Somethings telling me that IF op agreed to the wedding to save the other players there would be a "making fantasy jesus" scene in details after that and an entire pregnancy arc. Imagine being speared from death only to watch your female party member getting railed by a god and watch the half god baby grow inside of her (Also some other bs dm would probably do and even MORE attention to god wifey)
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@@anthonyseverino8292 No good person would let their friend be blackmailed or threatened into being something's wife, even to save their own life. The party responded appropriately (until cleric's player victim blamed).
@@monikasernek1177 dang that would be cursed, and probably the likely aftermath
You have to be a gigachad to convert a lesbian and there aren't a lot of them left in the world.
Or an idiot to think it's possible.
They can't convert lesbians either no matter how hot you think guys are
A true gigachad would (1) not try to convert a lesbian, (2) respect her and her sexuality, and (3) be wise enough, and confident enough in himself and his own self worth, to not try romantically pursuing someone whom he knows is unattainable.
@@kevlonk "What's that? YOU'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO ME BECAUSE YOU LIKE GIRLS?!?!...oh, well."
I'm reminded of Love After World Domination(TLDR: Romeo and Juliet mixed with Power Rangers) where Gelato Red learns that the girl trying to blackmail him into breaking up with his girlfriend is in love with said girlfriend herself and he's so devoted to his love that he told the blackmailer that she has great taste in women.
@@kevlonk Agreed. Trying to 'convert' someone like that is awful and cringe.