6:03 Not allowed to flee, eh? Fine, my character, playing true neutral draws her weapon and announces to the group "To arms! Let us aide the Guards in fighting this dastardly fiend!"
The guy pulling a knife story is the kind of wrong lesson you can't unlearn. The dead player was convinced he was in the right so much so that he threatened a person rather than introspect.
Dude went too far and crossed a line. Once anyone pulls a weapon they are now an active threat. Even though that group was able to leave without incident they should have reported it to the police with all present swearing out a complaint. Even if nothing came of it this time, any time in the future this guy pulls a weapon, that complaint would pop up and it would no longer be a "one off" situation. Instead it would be a pattern of behavior and more easily acted upon by authorities.
"Gritty realism" is just a lame excuse for pretentious A hole DMs to be as unfair as possible. What's more, this doesn't "fix" D&D, it makes everything provably worse.
They could just buy their own dice like most in-person players, but I understand that most people don't want to drop money on something for a game that can easily be lost or damaged when a free, ever-pristine version exists online. Also, you might want different dice for different characters, that would require you becoming a dice goblin if you use physical dice.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm becoming desensitized to these stories because I was more surprised by the Pteradactyl part of the title of the first story.
I like digital dice when huge rolls are at play and the pacing is quick. You can grind the encounter to a halt if the mood isn't there and you need to roll a whole bunch all at once.
Finally heard a story where a player kept peeking over the DM screen. Been waiting on that because I had a former friend (man child with daddy issues) do that when I was trying to run a game. I'd tell him to stop but he'd ignore me and keep doing it until I was yelling at him to cut it out. Then he'd act like my autistic nephew when he was caught doing something he thought he'd get in trouble for and go "Oh Sowwy!" and expect that to fix everything.........I did try to talk to him about his behavior but he'd just freak out and flap his arms and scream "I SAID I WAS SOWWY, STOP BRINGING IT UP!" I honestly quit the group and cut ties with the guy because I had 15 years of dealing with that crap and it really was the only option. Hopefully putting this here I can finally let go of the memories. (I considered posting it as a DnD Horror story, but it's really just one That Guy and me complaining about his terrible fanfic's and emotional abuse, and nobody wants to hear about that.)
Yep, I treat second chances like my chances of finding a gold nugget on a jog in the street! Rare and something to not be treated lightly! If I fuck up and get a second chance, I don't squander it or take it for granted, and in the same vein, I do the same to others, My 10's and 20's was spent forgiving and being taken advantage of! My 30's and in three years my 40's and beyond will NOT be filled with that shitshow again! As you said, We only have one life! The fucker knew what he did and the fact he tried to brush it off as a "joke" means he KNEW if they called the cops on him his life would be ruined, but idiotically assumed he could still pass it off as such (I've witness idiots like him HAULED off by the cops SCREAMING to the high heavens that "it was a JOKE!" One of them I found brandished a GLOCK and still tried to play that "it was a joke" when everyone including him knew it wasn't! He was trying to "scare" his victim and did so DANGEROUS as it WAS loaded! Idiot never learned that their is ALWAYS a bullet in the chamber unless you removed it before hand which he did not! Fool tried to use "drunk" but that failed as a breath test was done on him after the arrest and he wasn't drunk! One night he chose not to drink) Hopefully a small hope of mine is "he messes around with the wrong person with HIS IDEA OF A JOKE" and finds out (His wrist being broken along with his nose) and/or gets the cops on him! He knows why no one wants him around anymore after that act! But he's the type that I KNOW as my little brother is like this who will convince themselves THEY are the victims of assholes! It's how their kind can somehow convince themselves THEY are the victim in all of this. It's pathetic and I feel no pity for fools like this (Younger brother spend the last 20 fucking years WEINING that out of me with his OWN bad behavior, HE is the SEVERE lesson I had to learn to "just give up" on some people, also like this loser he's a drunk fool) and the fact he gave up just shows he knows what type of person he is, he doesn't want to change and if OP and the crew refuse to accept that, then what use are they to him! OP and company shouldn't feel bad. He doesn't want to change, so leave him to his fate!
@@GarkKahn I guess the 90's were a warzone? Super weird that kids that grew up in the school shooting era get so upset by something this small. Having someone 'threaten' you uselessly with a knife, with absolutely no actual intent isnt the end all be all, and certainly not serious enough to stress over.
Alcohol suppresses your inhibitions, meaning you show a greater amount of your true self when you have enough. The booze didn't put the thoughts there, it just helped them come out.
@GarkKahn glad to see some one understands alcohol does not mean you do things you secret want to do or say. Way too many people think drunkenness is truth serum and not literally shutting off the cognitive part of your brain so you don't actually comprehend pr process information the way you normally would. His choice while not drunk to not seek help is fully his choice with zero excuses.
To play devil's advocate (not advocating for this ahole), some people do use this phrase as a way to say "You deserve what's coming to you" when they are too cowardly to actually just say that. All actions have consequences--that's like saying water is wet. But saying that when someone does something dickish to someone is basically just saying "you deserve this".
Regarding story #2, I believe a fundamental game design principle to go by is that you don’t make things hard to screw over your players, you do so to challenge them and encourage creative problem-solving. All that DM did was make the game boring by perpetually stacking the odds against the players while denying them the ability to play to their intended character identities, which is like, a central part of DnD and tabletop RPGs as a whole.
re physical dice vs. digital in person - a LOT of my friends want to use their D&D beyond dice they bought. when I dm it's fine until they have to roll for a big spell and then can't get the right dice or find the level they want to cast it at and it takes 2 minutes to get a fireball rollled. They have a PILE of dice in front of them too... which makes little sense to me.
That one about the Tetanus Sword. I would have let them have it. And told him to roll 3d6 on every victim that survived combat and escaped. Then when he asked what that roll was for I would inform him that was the number of DAYS before the symptoms set in. And that it would also be used for the WEEKS they had left to get a cleric to cure them before death. And when they complained I would point out they choose a disease that took 3 to 21 days for symptoms to show after infection and months to kill.
Second last story; as a dm and player - I use my laptop for character sheets and stats. My PC sheets can easily be combed over by my dm, but I make sure that everything is in proper order. If I miss anything (has happened) either he’ll tell me what to correct and how, or I’ll ask him. But we always use physical dice. That’s just my thing. If I have a game online that’s obviously different, but in person you can have really whatever character sheet you want! Physical dice is required
I am not against gritty realism, I think the pack tactics is an interesting idea and having enemies act smart is fine, but they don't need to be over buffed/nerfing players spells and you definitely shouldn't be fudging rolls.
My Opinion: Knife Guy should have had the Cops called on him. that was serious what he did. He took the Concequences of a game... A GAME! and Threatened a REAL LIFE PERSON, with a "DEADLY WEAPON" Joking or no that is a serious issue... that guy needs help... a lot of help... like more then I think even the Highest paid shrinks can give... Holy crap...
Story #1 - ... And this is why pretty much everybody I know runs drug + alcohol-free games. Story #2 - "Home brew" and "Gritty realism". One or the other is bad enough, both together is more than enough good reason to Run Like Hell. DM needs to be seriously called out on this. Story #3 - This guy plainly IS cheating, and I'd just boot his @$$ straight-up. This sort of thing NEVER improves on its own. Alternatively, establish the following for the entire group, no exceptions. * The DM must have a hard-copy print-out of EVERY Character's sheet. No exceptions. * All die rolls to be made with actual physical dice at the table. Rolls must be clearly stated beforehand AND directly witnessed by the DM or at least one other Player. Any roll failing to meet these requirements will be ignored. * Peeks at the DM's board or behind his screen, however "accidental", will be penalized. That Guy will undoubtedly have a fit, but if these rules are for the entire group, then he has no grounds for complaint. If he decides to quit, then let him. Story#4 - VERY good riddance. Plainly, someone wasn't told "No" often enough as a child.
"D&D is too much of a power fantasy." Why yes, it is. That's the whole point, Ut's a world of magic and myth where the impossible is just another Tuesday. Trying to force "gritty realism" on that is like trying to sculpt a still life.
There's been some horrors and some absolute keruffles in these stories. But never once until now have I heard you let the mask slip doge 😂 We're all just kids inside
Re: DM with a cheating player - If kicking them isn't the first option, I'd just tell the table that there are no laptops allowed and use dice. If he doesn't want to abide, he can leave.
I have been playing with a dungeon master like the one in the Gritty Realism story as well. Did she also constantly nerf character abilities and keep houserules secret until triggered as well?
First story - The instant a knife gets pulled, I would've been prepping to swing a chair at his head. You don't threaten shit like that while drunk and not expect an immediate self defense. Second Story - The DM is failing in two aspects: 1) he wasn't honest about the game, 2) he doesn't realize that being out for entire combat scenarios MULTIPLE TIMES is the most boring thing possible. Third Story - Since it's "such a hassle", I'd print out three copies of his character sheet and bring two of them to the game. One for him to use (adjusted to include things you KNOW he has received), and one for you to keep track of his stuff with (the third is a spare in case anything "funky" happens) and collect them at the end of every session. I'd also loan him a spare dice set to use. If he refuses or starts cheating again, he can leave. The point of D&D isn't to "win". It's to be challenged and/or have fun. And it's not very challenging or fun to play with a cheater. Fourth Story - Good riddance indeed. I would've refused or told him a rusted sword isn't going to remain intact very long (I'd have to give it special low durability) on top of being difficult to cut with (-1 to damage), and even if he did give the enemy Tetanus, it would be far more effective to simply kill the enemy with a normal un-rusted weapon.
Yea, realism is hard to balance. I think the best you could do is having the dm and party sit down and talk about what they'd want in a realistic game. Try to agree on the rules and move on from there.
Story 1: arrest went out the window when the idiot drew a weapon and swung on the guard. As for ANOTHER chance? Not after pulling a knife. Story 2: I'm running an old school crusades era AD&D game whete wounds have consequences; scars, disability, etc. One of the NPCs now looks like Deadpool after being roasted in plate mail by a red dragon.
I've changed tags to "optimistic realism" when I mean "gritty realism" because of that. I also started stating I use "description RP" because of how many people think the only "real" ttrpg involves voice acting.
Yes, the second guy is correct, 5e does tilt heavily towards being easy. Even death is difficult to threaten players with except at very low levels and even then it's still easy to avoid. The new 6e makes this even more the case. When I dumped current DnD for CnC instead the threat of death actually became real. To the point where anyone playing as if they were still in a 5e game found out quickly that was a bad idea. My first full year running CnC resulted in nine PC deaths over two groups and eleven players. This year with three groups and eighteen players between them six PC have died. And I'm not doing anything but standard threats for their level ranges, along with rolling out in the open. I don't have to be a dick to punish the players, I just have to let them make poor choices on their own and the rules are setup to not cuddle them or protect them from said bad choices.
5e is a player coddler, and it quickly gets boring. We tried running it with Rune Hammer's Hardcore 5e, and it was still like giving everyone a trophy. Now we run a fast and deadly BECMI game mixed with content from OSE, OSRIC, Black Hack, and OSR/Stygian Library for the main gameplay, with Downtime and Demesnes used as the in-between game link. Yes, we lose a lot of low-level characters (we bring extras), but when you can get your character to 4th level and above, it's a REAL achievement.
@@strawberryhellcat4738 No, getting a promotion, graduating from high school or college those things are real achievements. Hitting lv 4 in your fun time game is .. just a game bro. Your whole comment reads like " 5e is for babies and I play a mans game" LMFAO, it's like you're 13... I love reading the " my games better and harder" comments. But, have fun with your "real" achievement and hitting oh my god!!! lv4!!!!!!!! If you want to play your own game that's fine just as its fine for others to play 5e. But damn, try not to be such a prick about it.
@@strawberryhellcat4738 Buddy, this is not a snow flake thing. This is a you're a troll getting all high on your game. Doodle is correct in that yes D&D has gotten more casual. Robbin is correct that there is trend that is someone dies the dm is bad. However, its ok to play D&D how you like. 5e is something that seems like the dm has to put more effort into if they want to make it very hard. But there is nothing wrong if people want to play it more relaxing just as there is nothing wrong if someone wants to try to play it more hard core. There is also nothing wrong with someone like you wanting to play other games. Im not triggered im just LMAO at you thinking your lv4 in some other games a " real achievement" . Im also laughing at you going off on the whole " snowflakes" stuff. Im not triggered by you, like many people reading this im laughing at you someone who is a that guy.
Yeah, no. The knife pulling guy in the first story having his character die was a textbook case of "f around and find out" if you ask me. And frankly, kicking him from the table when he threatened the DM with a knife seems a little light if you ask me. Especially since that kinda behavior could have put him in some deep legal crap.
Yeah, now I have to memorize 2 different numbers for body count. I try to keep them balanced, but sometimes they run away post coitus. I often wonder if it's worth the hustle.
About the DnD Beyond and digital dice. My group has a player who uses Beyond and its digital dice. But he did fill out a physical sheet for the DM to keep and his rolls are pretty standard to the table on ratios of highs and lows. He just prefers a digital sheet and says he doesn't trust/like physical dice anymore. So personally I think it's not an auto red flag, but I can understand others hesitancy.
Intro: The cat intro is back! Story 1: Players getting wasted at the table is never a good start. Best case scenario, the player isn't constructively engaged with the game; worst case scenario, one player's adventures in substance abuse becomes the entire table's problem, along with that of first responders (police, paramedics, etc). As for second chances, those are for people who commit to changing. Story 2: Sounds like "gritty realism" in this case is just the DM making every character ability functionally useless. Why make 22 AC or proficiency in stealth no better than having 0 AC and being a walking one man band? If players wanted to feel generic, incompetent, and useless, they wouldn't be playing a fantasy game. Story 3: "I'm a DM I know the rules?" If that were true, the person would know to declare their intended action first, then let the actual DM determine whether the action is possible, warrants a roll, and what to roll against. Might as well declare, "I'm cheating and I know it." Open table rolls are standard practice for a good reason. Story 4: Yes, D&D IS about being creative, BUT it's a shared, collaborative creative project, with the DM being the executive editor. Want full solo creative control? Write a book.
Gritty Realism: I dont mind it as a concept, but everyone has to be aware of it, and while you shouldn’t Pull Punches (such as a hoard of zombies grappling a pc that is prone when they wake from death saves, after the attacks they made while the same PC was unconscious did Permanent Injuries instead of failed death saves), you shouldn’t be cheating just for the sake if it. That DM brought Pathfinder Scaling in for the monsters but left the players with 5e scaling (for reference, PF1e scaling makes it so unless you have like an ac of 25+ at level 7+, you should be avoiding being in Melee completely cuz they have insane bonuses to hit and damage). Now, I want to use some Gritty Realism rules myself someday, with Grim Hollow as the setting for it. Heck, if I do, I may use the Alternate Rest Rules the 5E DMG has (8 hour Short Rest, and 1 Week Long Rest), though I dint know how that’ll work with thr Trance feature of elves should a player choose to be one
Even if the beer somehow did make the guy pull a knife on them, the fact that he made no effort to stop his drinking means that it would eventually happen again. And the next time, someone could get hurt or worse. So they made the right choice.
My buddy uses digital dice, but we have a dnd beyond campaign so I can see the rolls if necessary. It's not that he doesn't like physical dice but his rolls are better digitally than they are with physical dice. he has used a lot of physical dice but those games he barely rolls over 10 so we don't mind especially again because we use the dnd beyond thing.
Calling someone a 'horrible DM' is pretty awful in most circumstances. The DM is giving you a chance to play in most cases. Sure, there are some DM's who are horrible, but the vast majority of the time it's a communication breakdown between the player and the DM that causes the 'horror story'.
I'm fairly certain that Khorne and Slaanesh hate each other to an extreme, so the character from the first story makes absolutely no sense from the very beginning
Im the only one in my party to die. Ive died twice, one was my fault, ran out of movement in view of a zombie beholder and got hit with disintegrate. Second was friendly fire due to our house rule for crit fail on attacks. Roll a d6, 1 you hit yourself max damage, 2 you hit closest ally max damage, 3 you fall prone, 4 you drop your weapon, 5 you do nothing, 6 you get to reroll your attack but cant crit success.
I may use D&D Beyond (I am a newish player), but my character is linked to the champagne group and I use physical dice. With the champagne group you can see other players rolls, but I enjoy rolling the real thing.
I just want to add if you're playing on dndbeyond and you join a campaign, there's a campaign log of rolls. I wouldn't mind a player doing digital rolls in person as long as they're rolling in the campaign so we can see the log.
I want to point out from the second story gritty realism does not mean bad dnd; just because a bad dm makes poor homebrew choices to make the game harder and skew in their favor does not make it or mean gritty realism. There's a balance to make the game more difficult and this guy didn't do it.
Seemed more like seeing a pattern of Dms using "gritty realism" to excuse bad times for players rather than saying gritty realism automatically means bad DnD.
The D&D Beyond story, the dice aren't really an issue. Make a campaign on there, have them assign their characters to it, then the rolls can be seen by everyone in that campaign. If they wanna go digital to try to cheat, go digital with them with the tools to answer it.
intentionally using a sword that's rusted so it might cause tetanus is funny, and i would allow that. on a nat 20, the target must make a Fortitude save or contract tetanus. the trade-off is the sword's rusted edge does not cause bonus damage on a critical. so it would be a disadvantage in most battles, with a risk of a nasty infection if the target flees the encounter
Not sure how a rusty sword gave him any form of advantage. Tetanus takes 3-21 days, with most cases taking 24 days to show any symptoms. In other words, it won't affect an enemy in a fight right then.
D&D to easy - Play the older version of d&d or other ttrpgs (The Black eye/Das Schwarze Auge for example) The last story - There is being creative and there is pulling deus ex machina bs out of the a*s. Also - Isn't the summoning an army a Lord of the rings reference?
The chaos cult guy apparently didn't even know how warhammer cults work. It's pretty much one or the other. You can't really worship korne and slannesh. They're opposite sides of chaos
What the fuck was that last guy on about D&D, smells like he never even opened the book once, if you want that kind of power just do creative writing with friends, or with yourself. "D&D is about creating a story" not like that, love.
I may be Warhammer lore novice BUT it's kinda common knowledge that you can't exclusively worship Khorne ans Slaanesh cuz those two hate eachother. Chaos Wordhippers either worship all undivided or exclusively 1 chaos god or else things get messy for them.
No, that's not making a point. That's a veiled threat of assault with a weapon. He could be arrested for that in anyone else's home. Edit: scratch that, even if it is in his own home, that's still threatening to assault someone with a deadly weapon
I always say you're not a real dnd player til you can stomache a character death and laugh about it So that guy is not a dnd player he's a mad person who played a character
If you want a game with "Gritty Realism", D&D is not the game system to use. The hard mode DM is basically a dick. I have a hard and fast rule that weeds out 99% of the cheaters, No devices at the table. All player rolls are made in plain sight of the entire table and if one of more dice falls off the table you have to reroll everything; I even provide dice trays. I don't care if you keep your character sheet, but I will also have a copy and when you make character improvements (new skills, new abilities, a new level) I will annotate them so that both sheets match. PP obviously doesn't understand now tetanus is contracted. It requires more than a rusty bit of metal. Also, a dusty sword is not a well maintained sword, therefor it is not sharp and will do less damage. Reality does not exist for PP.
I still can't believe you took in another stray cat right after telling us you were having financial problems. You're literally Angela from _The Office._ As for the pervy knife guy, he's unhinged in a bad way. He needs help and should not be given another chance. The DM of the second story will never listen to reason. He basically believes he's the chosen one that can do whatever he wants in the name of "fixing D&D," so if you say anything to him again, he'll just try harder to get you to see things his way, and your character will probably end up dead, which he believes will somehow be fun for you because of its "realism." Ignore D&D "Just Talk It Out" Doge and tell the rest of the group the truth. If the entire group is furious with him, he'll either finally change and stop cheating, or he'll blow up and kick all of you, in which case you can just play without him. That's because, say it with me: "bad D&D with good friends is better than no D&D alone." For the digital sheet story, it's not odd at all for someone to want to use digital dice. Have you tried Foundry's "Dice So Nice" system? You can customize the color and texture, and even add sound effects. Trumpets don't play when you roll a nat 20 with physical dice. Doge needs to expand his D&D horizons a bit. For the last story, the guy said, "you're not letting me tell my story," but it's not his story, it's everyone's story. The fact he thinks his "creativity" (read "blatant cheating") is more important than the enjoyment of the entire group tells you what kind of person he is. The same thing would have happened even if the DM said "no" sooner, so don't listen to Doge and blame yourself OP. You did what you thought was right for the sake of the group, and no one can legitimately fault you for that.
Drunk guy not getting cops called on him or anyone threatening to intervene is the biggest second chance that guy deserves.
Even if it's a joke, once you pull a weapon on someone, you no longer have a right to complain if a group decides you're not worth the trouble
6:03 Not allowed to flee, eh? Fine, my character, playing true neutral draws her weapon and announces to the group "To arms! Let us aide the Guards in fighting this dastardly fiend!"
The guy pulling a knife story is the kind of wrong lesson you can't unlearn. The dead player was convinced he was in the right so much so that he threatened a person rather than introspect.
The only point he proved was that he had loose screws and should never be allowed back in the group, whether at the table or as a social group.
Dude went too far and crossed a line. Once anyone pulls a weapon they are now an active threat. Even though that group was able to leave without incident they should have reported it to the police with all present swearing out a complaint. Even if nothing came of it this time, any time in the future this guy pulls a weapon, that complaint would pop up and it would no longer be a "one off" situation. Instead it would be a pattern of behavior and more easily acted upon by authorities.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 lmfao, wow you are soft.
@@DellikkilleD It's easy for you to be tough when you are not in any danger. And I'm sure that's the only way you have ever been tough.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 lmfao, You got me champ😂😂
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I'm glad to see that Luna is doing well after everything she went through.
See my first thought when he grabbed the barmaid was to have her stab him and then ask "What I thought you wanted to know about my body count?"
Stealing that twist
That would be amazing.
@@littlegiantj8761 Go for it, take it with my compliments.
I'm quite happy people enjoyed the silly little idea that popped into my head.
The last story: If you want to tell YOUR story- Write a book, Dnd is about telling OUR story
I don't personally play dnd, but i absolutely love these stories doge. Luna is adorable 😍
Gritty Realism DM just wants to have his own power fantasy while projecting that desire onto players expecting a fair game.
Yeah, really just sounds like dm vs player mentality with the dm bending the rules of the world to make himself win
the DM complaining about base DND being a power fantasy sounds to me like he wants his own power fantasy, players be damned.
"Gritty realism" is just a lame excuse for pretentious A hole DMs to be as unfair as possible.
What's more, this doesn't "fix" D&D, it makes everything provably worse.
OP: “I shall call them ‘PP’.”
Me: *literally chuckles out loud*
Doge: *chuckles too*
Me: “Hey! 🤩”
Well. It was funny. I chuckled a bit too.
Some people have ocd and so they use digital. I had a friend how loved to play but couldn’t touch stuff that other people touched
They could just buy their own dice like most in-person players, but I understand that most people don't want to drop money on something for a game that can easily be lost or damaged when a free, ever-pristine version exists online. Also, you might want different dice for different characters, that would require you becoming a dice goblin if you use physical dice.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm becoming desensitized to these stories because I was more surprised by the Pteradactyl part of the title of the first story.
Probably because it's not the first tabletop horror story with IRL violent threats while pterodactyl character sounds fun.
@@ArcCaravan One of my players would love playing one, he's currently playing a Raptor-person in a campaign I'm running.
I like digital dice when huge rolls are at play and the pacing is quick. You can grind the encounter to a halt if the mood isn't there and you need to roll a whole bunch all at once.
Finally heard a story where a player kept peeking over the DM screen.
Been waiting on that because I had a former friend (man child with daddy issues) do that when I was trying to run a game. I'd tell him to stop but he'd ignore me and keep doing it until I was yelling at him to cut it out.
Then he'd act like my autistic nephew when he was caught doing something he thought he'd get in trouble for and go "Oh Sowwy!" and expect that to fix everything.........I did try to talk to him about his behavior but he'd just freak out and flap his arms and scream "I SAID I WAS SOWWY, STOP BRINGING IT UP!"
I honestly quit the group and cut ties with the guy because I had 15 years of dealing with that crap and it really was the only option.
Hopefully putting this here I can finally let go of the memories.
(I considered posting it as a DnD Horror story, but it's really just one That Guy and me complaining about his terrible fanfic's and emotional abuse, and nobody wants to hear about that.)
You can give people second chances, but you only have one life.
Yep, I treat second chances like my chances of finding a gold nugget on a jog in the street! Rare and something to not be treated lightly! If I fuck up and get a second chance, I don't squander it or take it for granted, and in the same vein, I do the same to others, My 10's and 20's was spent forgiving and being taken advantage of! My 30's and in three years my 40's and beyond will NOT be filled with that shitshow again! As you said, We only have one life! The fucker knew what he did and the fact he tried to brush it off as a "joke" means he KNEW if they called the cops on him his life would be ruined, but idiotically assumed he could still pass it off as such (I've witness idiots like him HAULED off by the cops SCREAMING to the high heavens that "it was a JOKE!" One of them I found brandished a GLOCK and still tried to play that "it was a joke" when everyone including him knew it wasn't! He was trying to "scare" his victim and did so DANGEROUS as it WAS loaded! Idiot never learned that their is ALWAYS a bullet in the chamber unless you removed it before hand which he did not! Fool tried to use "drunk" but that failed as a breath test was done on him after the arrest and he wasn't drunk! One night he chose not to drink)
Hopefully a small hope of mine is "he messes around with the wrong person with HIS IDEA OF A JOKE" and finds out (His wrist being broken along with his nose) and/or gets the cops on him! He knows why no one wants him around anymore after that act! But he's the type that I KNOW as my little brother is like this who will convince themselves THEY are the victims of assholes! It's how their kind can somehow convince themselves THEY are the victim in all of this. It's pathetic and I feel no pity for fools like this (Younger brother spend the last 20 fucking years WEINING that out of me with his OWN bad behavior, HE is the SEVERE lesson I had to learn to "just give up" on some people, also like this loser he's a drunk fool) and the fact he gave up just shows he knows what type of person he is, he doesn't want to change and if OP and the crew refuse to accept that, then what use are they to him! OP and company shouldn't feel bad. He doesn't want to change, so leave him to his fate!
lol, sometimes this generation cracks me up.
Woah there, ww1 and ww2 veteran Rambo 😅
@@GarkKahn I guess the 90's were a warzone?
Super weird that kids that grew up in the school shooting era get so upset by something this small. Having someone 'threaten' you uselessly with a knife, with absolutely no actual intent isnt the end all be all, and certainly not serious enough to stress over.
Pulling a knife when drunk is like shooting your chess opponent with a gun.
In some circumstances, one time is all it takes to ditch a person.
Alcohol doesn't put evil thoughts in your head. And worse, they guy takes no action towards getting help or even stop drinking...
In Vino Veritas. Booze doesn't change what you are, just lowers inhibitions and brings out the worst in you.
Alcohol suppresses your inhibitions, meaning you show a greater amount of your true self when you have enough.
The booze didn't put the thoughts there, it just helped them come out.
Yeah it just randomize your actions
It makes you choose (poorly) between many options already in your head
@GarkKahn glad to see some one understands alcohol does not mean you do things you secret want to do or say.
Way too many people think drunkenness is truth serum and not literally shutting off the cognitive part of your brain so you don't actually comprehend pr process information the way you normally would.
His choice while not drunk to not seek help is fully his choice with zero excuses.
"aCtIoNs hAvE cOnSeQuEnCeS", what does that even mean???"
Kinda figures Gropey McDrunk here wouldn't know the meaning of that phrase
To play devil's advocate (not advocating for this ahole), some people do use this phrase as a way to say "You deserve what's coming to you" when they are too cowardly to actually just say that. All actions have consequences--that's like saying water is wet. But saying that when someone does something dickish to someone is basically just saying "you deserve this".
Regarding story #2, I believe a fundamental game design principle to go by is that you don’t make things hard to screw over your players, you do so to challenge them and encourage creative problem-solving. All that DM did was make the game boring by perpetually stacking the odds against the players while denying them the ability to play to their intended character identities, which is like, a central part of DnD and tabletop RPGs as a whole.
re physical dice vs. digital in person - a LOT of my friends want to use their D&D beyond dice they bought. when I dm it's fine until they have to roll for a big spell and then can't get the right dice or find the level they want to cast it at and it takes 2 minutes to get a fireball rollled.
They have a PILE of dice in front of them too... which makes little sense to me.
If a real deadly weapon brandished IRL doesn’t merit being dropped we need to all apologize to 99% of “that guy”s
Nope sorry I don’t negotiate with crazy 😂
That one about the Tetanus Sword. I would have let them have it. And told him to roll 3d6 on every victim that survived combat and escaped. Then when he asked what that roll was for I would inform him that was the number of DAYS before the symptoms set in. And that it would also be used for the WEEKS they had left to get a cleric to cure them before death.
And when they complained I would point out they choose a disease that took 3 to 21 days for symptoms to show after infection and months to kill.
Thank you.
Was going to say the same thing but not as well.
Cheers
Second last story; as a dm and player - I use my laptop for character sheets and stats. My PC sheets can easily be combed over by my dm, but I make sure that everything is in proper order. If I miss anything (has happened) either he’ll tell me what to correct and how, or I’ll ask him. But we always use physical dice. That’s just my thing. If I have a game online that’s obviously different, but in person you can have really whatever character sheet you want! Physical dice is required
Knife guy is lucky nobody decided to summon cops, cast fist, and use zone of GTFO of the room on him
I am not against gritty realism, I think the pack tactics is an interesting idea and having enemies act smart is fine, but they don't need to be over buffed/nerfing players spells and you definitely shouldn't be fudging rolls.
Your laugh set me off. I was doing VERY WELL not laughing at "pp". Then you had to go and make me crack. Lmfao.
My Opinion: Knife Guy should have had the Cops called on him. that was serious what he did. He took the Concequences of a game... A GAME! and Threatened a REAL LIFE PERSON, with a "DEADLY WEAPON" Joking or no that is a serious issue... that guy needs help... a lot of help... like more then I think even the Highest paid shrinks can give... Holy crap...
20:44 as a fan of tales to morrow im getting a sense of Deja-vu here
He did prove a point with his knife stunt, the DMs point.
Story #1 - ... And this is why pretty much everybody I know runs drug + alcohol-free games.
Story #2 - "Home brew" and "Gritty realism". One or the other is bad enough, both together is more than enough good reason to Run Like Hell. DM needs to be seriously called out on this.
Story #3 - This guy plainly IS cheating, and I'd just boot his @$$ straight-up. This sort of thing NEVER improves on its own.
Alternatively, establish the following for the entire group, no exceptions.
* The DM must have a hard-copy print-out of EVERY Character's sheet. No exceptions.
* All die rolls to be made with actual physical dice at the table. Rolls must be clearly stated beforehand AND directly witnessed by the DM or at least one other Player. Any roll failing to meet these requirements will be ignored.
* Peeks at the DM's board or behind his screen, however "accidental", will be penalized.
That Guy will undoubtedly have a fit, but if these rules are for the entire group, then he has no grounds for complaint. If he decides to quit, then let him.
Story#4 - VERY good riddance. Plainly, someone wasn't told "No" often enough as a child.
I love those knife guys.
They are hilarious.
Lolwut, knife guy got off easy. You pull a knife with me you’re leaving with the cops.
The gritty realism guys sound like the type of guys that make pokemon hackroms where every npc has a lagendary and a restore all
If the last player wants to tell his story (and only his) so bad, he should just write a book
"D&D is too much of a power fantasy."
Why yes, it is. That's the whole point, Ut's a world of magic and myth where the impossible is just another Tuesday. Trying to force "gritty realism" on that is like trying to sculpt a still life.
If a character dies & that player freaks out.
That player has no business being at a table.
There's been some horrors and some absolute keruffles in these stories.
But never once until now have I heard you let the mask slip doge 😂
We're all just kids inside
Re: DM with a cheating player -
If kicking them isn't the first option, I'd just tell the table that there are no laptops allowed and use dice. If he doesn't want to abide, he can leave.
I have been playing with a dungeon master like the one in the Gritty Realism story as well.
Did she also constantly nerf character abilities and keep houserules secret until triggered as well?
First story - The instant a knife gets pulled, I would've been prepping to swing a chair at his head. You don't threaten shit like that while drunk and not expect an immediate self defense.
Second Story - The DM is failing in two aspects: 1) he wasn't honest about the game, 2) he doesn't realize that being out for entire combat scenarios MULTIPLE TIMES is the most boring thing possible.
Third Story - Since it's "such a hassle", I'd print out three copies of his character sheet and bring two of them to the game. One for him to use (adjusted to include things you KNOW he has received), and one for you to keep track of his stuff with (the third is a spare in case anything "funky" happens) and collect them at the end of every session. I'd also loan him a spare dice set to use. If he refuses or starts cheating again, he can leave. The point of D&D isn't to "win". It's to be challenged and/or have fun. And it's not very challenging or fun to play with a cheater.
Fourth Story - Good riddance indeed. I would've refused or told him a rusted sword isn't going to remain intact very long (I'd have to give it special low durability) on top of being difficult to cut with (-1 to damage), and even if he did give the enemy Tetanus, it would be far more effective to simply kill the enemy with a normal un-rusted weapon.
I hope you're doing well, Doge! ❤
Agreed
Yea, realism is hard to balance. I think the best you could do is having the dm and party sit down and talk about what they'd want in a realistic game. Try to agree on the rules and move on from there.
1st story: I'd of called the cops on him, don't pull a knife on people for a game.
Story 1: arrest went out the window when the idiot drew a weapon and swung on the guard. As for ANOTHER chance? Not after pulling a knife.
Story 2: I'm running an old school crusades era AD&D game whete wounds have consequences; scars, disability, etc. One of the NPCs now looks like Deadpool after being roasted in plate mail by a red dragon.
Man sets up a ruthless reality check experience, and calls it "gritty realizm", some players might want this, don't spring it on unsuspecting players.
I've changed tags to "optimistic realism" when I mean "gritty realism" because of that. I also started stating I use "description RP" because of how many people think the only "real" ttrpg involves voice acting.
+Playing D&D for realism is hilarious.
Yes, the second guy is correct, 5e does tilt heavily towards being easy. Even death is difficult to threaten players with except at very low levels and even then it's still easy to avoid. The new 6e makes this even more the case. When I dumped current DnD for CnC instead the threat of death actually became real. To the point where anyone playing as if they were still in a 5e game found out quickly that was a bad idea. My first full year running CnC resulted in nine PC deaths over two groups and eleven players. This year with three groups and eighteen players between them six PC have died. And I'm not doing anything but standard threats for their level ranges, along with rolling out in the open. I don't have to be a dick to punish the players, I just have to let them make poor choices on their own and the rules are setup to not cuddle them or protect them from said bad choices.
There's a whole trend nowadays where if a player dies, for whatever reason, you're a bad DM
5e is a player coddler, and it quickly gets boring. We tried running it with Rune Hammer's Hardcore 5e, and it was still like giving everyone a trophy. Now we run a fast and deadly BECMI game mixed with content from OSE, OSRIC, Black Hack, and OSR/Stygian Library for the main gameplay, with Downtime and Demesnes used as the in-between game link. Yes, we lose a lot of low-level characters (we bring extras), but when you can get your character to 4th level and above, it's a REAL achievement.
@@strawberryhellcat4738 No, getting a promotion, graduating from high school or college those things are real achievements. Hitting lv 4 in your fun time game is .. just a game bro. Your whole comment reads like " 5e is for babies and I play a mans game" LMFAO, it's like you're 13... I love reading the " my games better and harder" comments. But, have fun with your "real" achievement and hitting oh my god!!! lv4!!!!!!!! If you want to play your own game that's fine just as its fine for others to play 5e. But damn, try not to be such a prick about it.
@@ThePlayplay64 Triggered much? You've just proven my point about how 5e players are snowflakes, "bro".
@@strawberryhellcat4738 Buddy, this is not a snow flake thing. This is a you're a troll getting all high on your game. Doodle is correct in that yes D&D has gotten more casual. Robbin is correct that there is trend that is someone dies the dm is bad. However, its ok to play D&D how you like. 5e is something that seems like the dm has to put more effort into if they want to make it very hard. But there is nothing wrong if people want to play it more relaxing just as there is nothing wrong if someone wants to try to play it more hard core. There is also nothing wrong with someone like you wanting to play other games. Im not triggered im just LMAO at you thinking your lv4 in some other games a " real achievement" . Im also laughing at you going off on the whole " snowflakes" stuff. Im not triggered by you, like many people reading this im laughing at you someone who is a that guy.
Yeah, no. The knife pulling guy in the first story having his character die was a textbook case of "f around and find out" if you ask me.
And frankly, kicking him from the table when he threatened the DM with a knife seems a little light if you ask me. Especially since that kinda behavior could have put him in some deep legal crap.
I miss the days when body count meant death toll...
Yeah, now I have to memorize 2 different numbers for body count. I try to keep them balanced, but sometimes they run away post coitus. I often wonder if it's worth the hustle.
About the DnD Beyond and digital dice. My group has a player who uses Beyond and its digital dice. But he did fill out a physical sheet for the DM to keep and his rolls are pretty standard to the table on ratios of highs and lows. He just prefers a digital sheet and says he doesn't trust/like physical dice anymore. So personally I think it's not an auto red flag, but I can understand others hesitancy.
Intro: The cat intro is back!
Story 1: Players getting wasted at the table is never a good start. Best case scenario, the player isn't constructively engaged with the game; worst case scenario, one player's adventures in substance abuse becomes the entire table's problem, along with that of first responders (police, paramedics, etc). As for second chances, those are for people who commit to changing.
Story 2: Sounds like "gritty realism" in this case is just the DM making every character ability functionally useless. Why make 22 AC or proficiency in stealth no better than having 0 AC and being a walking one man band? If players wanted to feel generic, incompetent, and useless, they wouldn't be playing a fantasy game.
Story 3: "I'm a DM I know the rules?" If that were true, the person would know to declare their intended action first, then let the actual DM determine whether the action is possible, warrants a roll, and what to roll against. Might as well declare, "I'm cheating and I know it." Open table rolls are standard practice for a good reason.
Story 4: Yes, D&D IS about being creative, BUT it's a shared, collaborative creative project, with the DM being the executive editor. Want full solo creative control? Write a book.
Gritty Realism: I dont mind it as a concept, but everyone has to be aware of it, and while you shouldn’t Pull Punches (such as a hoard of zombies grappling a pc that is prone when they wake from death saves, after the attacks they made while the same PC was unconscious did Permanent Injuries instead of failed death saves), you shouldn’t be cheating just for the sake if it. That DM brought Pathfinder Scaling in for the monsters but left the players with 5e scaling (for reference, PF1e scaling makes it so unless you have like an ac of 25+ at level 7+, you should be avoiding being in Melee completely cuz they have insane bonuses to hit and damage).
Now, I want to use some Gritty Realism rules myself someday, with Grim Hollow as the setting for it. Heck, if I do, I may use the Alternate Rest Rules the 5E DMG has (8 hour Short Rest, and 1 Week Long Rest), though I dint know how that’ll work with thr Trance feature of elves should a player choose to be one
Even if the beer somehow did make the guy pull a knife on them, the fact that he made no effort to stop his drinking means that it would eventually happen again. And the next time, someone could get hurt or worse. So they made the right choice.
My buddy uses digital dice, but we have a dnd beyond campaign so I can see the rolls if necessary. It's not that he doesn't like physical dice but his rolls are better digitally than they are with physical dice. he has used a lot of physical dice but those games he barely rolls over 10 so we don't mind especially again because we use the dnd beyond thing.
Calling someone a 'horrible DM' is pretty awful in most circumstances. The DM is giving you a chance to play in most cases. Sure, there are some DM's who are horrible, but the vast majority of the time it's a communication breakdown between the player and the DM that causes the 'horror story'.
I'm fairly certain that Khorne and Slaanesh hate each other to an extreme, so the character from the first story makes absolutely no sense from the very beginning
I'm a simple man. I see Luna, I like the video
Alcohol destroys mental restraints. If people does stupid things while intoxicated, they are actually stupid.
Im the only one in my party to die. Ive died twice, one was my fault, ran out of movement in view of a zombie beholder and got hit with disintegrate. Second was friendly fire due to our house rule for crit fail on attacks. Roll a d6, 1 you hit yourself max damage, 2 you hit closest ally max damage, 3 you fall prone, 4 you drop your weapon, 5 you do nothing, 6 you get to reroll your attack but cant crit success.
I may use D&D Beyond (I am a newish player), but my character is linked to the champagne group and I use physical dice. With the champagne group you can see other players rolls, but I enjoy rolling the real thing.
18:00 im a dm of over 10 years
and not even i claim to know everything about the game
I just want to add if you're playing on dndbeyond and you join a campaign, there's a campaign log of rolls. I wouldn't mind a player doing digital rolls in person as long as they're rolling in the campaign so we can see the log.
I want to point out from the second story gritty realism does not mean bad dnd; just because a bad dm makes poor homebrew choices to make the game harder and skew in their favor does not make it or mean gritty realism. There's a balance to make the game more difficult and this guy didn't do it.
Seemed more like seeing a pattern of Dms using "gritty realism" to excuse bad times for players rather than saying gritty realism automatically means bad DnD.
A rusty sword could be like
-1 to attack and damage rolls
But a 1d4 of poison damage.
The D&D Beyond story, the dice aren't really an issue. Make a campaign on there, have them assign their characters to it, then the rolls can be seen by everyone in that campaign. If they wanna go digital to try to cheat, go digital with them with the tools to answer it.
intentionally using a sword that's rusted so it might cause tetanus is funny, and i would allow that. on a nat 20, the target must make a Fortitude save or contract tetanus. the trade-off is the sword's rusted edge does not cause bonus damage on a critical. so it would be a disadvantage in most battles, with a risk of a nasty infection if the target flees the encounter
Ah yeah, Luna in the his-ouse! Hi girl.
Not sure how a rusty sword gave him any form of advantage. Tetanus takes 3-21 days, with most cases taking 24 days to show any symptoms. In other words, it won't affect an enemy in a fight right then.
D&D to easy - Play the older version of d&d or other ttrpgs (The Black eye/Das Schwarze Auge for example)
The last story - There is being creative and there is pulling deus ex machina bs out of the a*s.
Also - Isn't the summoning an army a Lord of the rings reference?
7:21 I think it's answered by itself
Like 2+2=4
The chaos cult guy apparently didn't even know how warhammer cults work. It's pretty much one or the other. You can't really worship korne and slannesh. They're opposite sides of chaos
Doge I love your cats!
Like violence, you kill meeeeee 🎶
What the fuck was that last guy on about D&D, smells like he never even opened the book once, if you want that kind of power just do creative writing with friends, or with yourself.
"D&D is about creating a story" not like that, love.
I may be Warhammer lore novice BUT it's kinda common knowledge that you can't exclusively worship Khorne ans Slaanesh cuz those two hate eachother. Chaos Wordhippers either worship all undivided or exclusively 1 chaos god or else things get messy for them.
No, that's not making a point. That's a veiled threat of assault with a weapon. He could be arrested for that in anyone else's home.
Edit: scratch that, even if it is in his own home, that's still threatening to assault someone with a deadly weapon
Hey Doge, are you technically a vtuber? I just thought about this
I always say you're not a real dnd player til you can stomache a character death and laugh about it
So that guy is not a dnd player he's a mad person who played a character
Don't drink and drive: wrong
Don't drink and dnd : correct
I like to think Luna would be a Cleric, but I can also see her being a Celestial Warlock
What is a ptarafolk? Like, a pteradactol person?
If you want a game with "Gritty Realism", D&D is not the game system to use. The hard mode DM is basically a dick.
I have a hard and fast rule that weeds out 99% of the cheaters, No devices at the table. All player rolls are made in plain sight of the entire table and if one of more dice falls off the table you have to reroll everything; I even provide dice trays. I don't care if you keep your character sheet, but I will also have a copy and when you make character improvements (new skills, new abilities, a new level) I will annotate them so that both sheets match.
PP obviously doesn't understand now tetanus is contracted. It requires more than a rusty bit of metal. Also, a dusty sword is not a well maintained sword, therefor it is not sharp and will do less damage. Reality does not exist for PP.
"gritty realsim" just does not go with fantasy, period.
I can't imagine wanting to ise digital dice over physical _unless_ you're cheating.
Digital RNG is cursed
I still can't believe you took in another stray cat right after telling us you were having financial problems. You're literally Angela from _The Office._
As for the pervy knife guy, he's unhinged in a bad way. He needs help and should not be given another chance.
The DM of the second story will never listen to reason. He basically believes he's the chosen one that can do whatever he wants in the name of "fixing D&D," so if you say anything to him again, he'll just try harder to get you to see things his way, and your character will probably end up dead, which he believes will somehow be fun for you because of its "realism." Ignore D&D "Just Talk It Out" Doge and tell the rest of the group the truth. If the entire group is furious with him, he'll either finally change and stop cheating, or he'll blow up and kick all of you, in which case you can just play without him. That's because, say it with me: "bad D&D with good friends is better than no D&D alone."
For the digital sheet story, it's not odd at all for someone to want to use digital dice. Have you tried Foundry's "Dice So Nice" system? You can customize the color and texture, and even add sound effects. Trumpets don't play when you roll a nat 20 with physical dice. Doge needs to expand his D&D horizons a bit.
For the last story, the guy said, "you're not letting me tell my story," but it's not his story, it's everyone's story. The fact he thinks his "creativity" (read "blatant cheating") is more important than the enjoyment of the entire group tells you what kind of person he is. The same thing would have happened even if the DM said "no" sooner, so don't listen to Doge and blame yourself OP. You did what you thought was right for the sake of the group, and no one can legitimately fault you for that.
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I mean, who hasnt had a knife pulled on them at some point? Unless you ended up in the hospital, its not even note worthy.