Aston did a very good explanation of the failure. When I bought my 2015 M6 I thought I was excluded from the rod bearing failure... But unfortunately u can probably tell what happend. Luckily my car was under 3rd party warrenty so I am soo happy but if you have a s63 engine please get your oil sampled and prevent what happend to me
This was a pleasant "episode"... as always :) The bearing on my 2008 M3 was in a much much better condition after preventive swap at 74,000 miles! The previous, and first owner, didn't lie when he said he never abused the engine cold. Not an regular basis anyway. Just got a little more confidence in my car, I thank you for that! Please keep the E9xM content coming. Any thoughts on doing something crazy like long headers, LSD... or why not a stroker kit? :P
Would it be better to build a rod bearing that during cold temps, has loose tolerances, and tighter tolerances as it warms up? It should allow oil into the bearing during start up. Shape-memory alloy?
No offense intended, but why after all that work would you replace OE bearings with another set of OE bearings? Lots of examples of replaced OE bearings failing. Lots of bearing options with extra clearance available, VAC, BE, etc. I personally went with Calico CT-1 coated with MRF/Vac spec ARP fasteners. Work done by MRF. This shouldn’t be a ‘serviceable item’ if extra clearance bearings are used. Plenty of real world of examples of engines pulled with extra clearance bearings that exhibit no wear.
Curious why you went with OEM and not aftermarket like BE Bearings with extra clearance and their custom ARP rod bolts? Did a lot of reading and this seemed to be the ‘correct’ fix.
Evolve Automotive Awesome vid BTW kudos to you and your mechanic , So your saying that a well maintained , frequent oil changes the rod bearings can last much longer than 70k ?? Can you tell me does this apply to the M5/M6 S63tu do they have the same rod bearing issue ? Thanks
@@EvolveAutomotive I would argue testing show that they don't work, otherwise we wouldn't all be putting fresh bearings and bolts in. Also the BE spec ARP bolts are much easier to install instead of the complex OEM bolt torque procedure. The BE spec ARP bolts reduce the chance of a mistake during install, so at the very least I would use those no matter what bearing goes in the engine.
@@Antimatter. There have been plenty of cases of cars that have been treated well spinning a bearing, and cars that are treated like crap that are fine. It would seem a bigger factor is the variance of clearance from car to car because there is always SOME variance with bearing size, or maybe some OEM bolts come a little loose over time as they stretch.
What an amazing car..you buy it and next day you need to pay more than 5.000 to fix it...in my world this cars should be cheaper than a table...brainwash is what it is really
I love your channel Imran. Makes me want to buy an E92 M3 just to drive down from Edinburgh and get you guys to work on it. Highly informative and always keeps my attention for the whole upload ( which is rare these days ). All the best
Hi. I notice in your rod bearings videos you don't appear to measure the rod journals with a micrometer or use plastiguage to measure the clearance between the new rod bearings and the crank. Is this not necessary or are the new OE bearings 'one size fits all'? Interested as I am about to purchase an E92 and will likely change the rod bearings myself. Many thanks and love the channel 😊
Love your channel after coming across it through LLF, no bullshit just nice guys doing excellent work. If I have money left when my kids grow up and I get the BMW M5 I dream of I know where I am taking it for any Mods :)
Done a full fork and blade change with new bearings too...on a 90 litre diesel engine 😂 Apart from the weight, its easier since everything's accessible and you don't have to remove anything for it😉
I like the way youve explained the teardown bolt for bolt part for part process but speed the time up excellent.. kinda like a comprehensive guide.. 10/10 well done
Excellent video and nice work by Aston. I know the job well having built a load of engines myself but its great to hear someone explaining it so clearly for other viewers.
Not particularly. We advise customers to drive it home ‘normally’ before any spirited driving, but this is more a belt and braces rather than requirement.
It's a shame that such a nice car didnt getbetter engineers to design the internals of that engine to at least make em last long like every other road legal car. Out there.
I went with VAC bearings and bolts for my n55 f30. You said that this is a serviceable item. 2 questions: 1. Is this true for upgraded hardware? 2. Wasnt the car at 60k already, therefore are you suggesting to switch in another 10k or or anther 70k? With aftermarket or oem bearings and bolts?
We do not have any data for upgraded hardware as we have not seen enough examples of their long term wear. After another 70k - That is in Astons opinion.
What mileage would you suggest changing the bearings? I bought my E92 M3 in 2016 with 16k miles on a 12 plate. 2 owners before me. You did my stage 2 for me. Car is currently on 29k miles and I always warm it up. Oil is changed once a year regardless of miles done. Oh, and absolutely loving the Carbon Plenum 😁👌
The problem always is you just can’t be sure how the previous owners treated the car. If you’re thinking of selling it in the next 10-20k I probably wouldn’t worry too much, but if it’s a forever car I’d probably do it just so I knew it was all good. Glad you’re enjoying the car! Ours really needs the full Eventuri and Stage 2 now 🤩
even more interesting would be if evolve takes some diesel whether 3-4 series or even previous e92 335d and make maximum modifications for maximum performance to rival m cars. or even takes the triturbo or quad m50d and maxes it out with mods to rival m5....that would be good rivalty video with fans from both petrol and oil burners.
Love these videos! I know getting to the 400whp club is kinda hard with the S65. Does your stage 2 get close? Any experience with aftermarket headers? I’m also not sure if the power figures of the e92 are slightly different between your cars and the ones in the US.
Great vid. The car has done 68k, i notice the guy said "if it was my car i would look to do them again at around 70k", that's 2k miles apart, this was surely a mistake?
Well done great job Emran I’ve got a question mate if I install the downpipe in my m5 f90 without turning it will be drivable or what will happen please advise thanks
Will be drivable but engine management light on the dash. If it is fitted with OPF I believe it will go in to limp mode but haven’t tested that for sure.
Excellent, quality video that.. I look online at E92 M3s, or even (dare I say it) E60 M5 or E63 M6... Knowing about rod bearing issues particularly with the V10 is what makes me nervous though..
Did you guys change the bolts aswel. I use to warm the car up to the max temp which is easy and quicker for where i live. Good to see that u also dont feel the car needs break in time after the replacement. First few minutes should be ok.
We change them with OEM replacements. They are stretch bolts and must be replaced. We advise customers take it easy on the drive home but there is no run in period for a bearing change.
Hi there I've had a new engine from BmW at 60000 miles under warranty. I've now done 99000ish. I don't track it with use only for pleasure. Does my rod bearings need doing?
excellent brief video, pardon me to state that the removal/installation of the bearings was quite fast to illustrate for amateurs that wish to give it a try, thank you so much
@@EvolveAutomotive Hello, can you recommend a special brand or a link to buy the bearing and screw kit for BMW M3 V8 engine S65 2012 model, thank you please
@@tecnimodularesnoguera6527 you can buy it all from us - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-rod-bearing-replacement-kit-bmw-e90-e92-e93-m3-s65?_pos=1&_psq=S65+rod+bearing&_ss=e&_v=1.0
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Aston did a very good explanation of the failure. When I bought my 2015 M6 I thought I was excluded from the rod bearing failure... But unfortunately u can probably tell what happend. Luckily my car was under 3rd party warrenty so I am soo happy but if you have a s63 engine please get your oil sampled and prevent what happend to me
hella-flush Was aware of the S85 and S65 rod bearing issue, first time I heard of an S63 - very unlucky!
I think you can only sample it if it is before a certain year? Not 100% sure
You really coming into your own with these in-depth technical videos, well done!
Thanks!
My day just gets 100 times better when I see evolve has a new upload 👌🏼🖤
For sure gassed
They're the Best BMW channel on UA-cam. You'll love my channel as well
This was a pleasant "episode"... as always :) The bearing on my 2008 M3 was in a much much better condition after preventive swap at 74,000 miles! The previous, and first owner, didn't lie when he said he never abused the engine cold. Not an regular basis anyway. Just got a little more confidence in my car, I thank you for that!
Please keep the E9xM content coming. Any thoughts on doing something crazy like long headers, LSD... or why not a stroker kit? :P
Thanks. More content coming but keeping it simple with this build. Doesn't need much in our opinion for road use.
This is my new favorite car channel. Great video work everyone!
you guys did my mate james' rod bearings last year, he took me out in it last weekend!......:))))))))
Everyone seems to be loving with that red japan e92.... But me, i admire Imran's beard! Thats soo neatly kept! 😜😂
Good barber 😅
Brilliant video! love the explanations, well presented and informative.
Great explanation and walk through.
Excellent video, great explanation from Aston 👏🏻
You have created the best m5 f90 in the world
Thanks!
Well explained.
I've just got one question for imran, what do you think of the E46 M3s ❓❓
Would it be better to build a rod bearing that during cold temps, has loose tolerances, and tighter tolerances as it warms up? It should allow oil into the bearing during start up. Shape-memory alloy?
Exactly the mods I'd do mate if I hadn't sold mine
How do u know if ur rod bearings need to be change!
Hi love your channel, Is there a reason you don't do any of the E93 convertibles???
We get a lot through the workshop
Love these types of vids
Dam I need one of those m3’s in my life ,,, then it’s coming straight to you guys 👌🏻💪🏼
Aston did the rod bearings on my M3... really knows his stuff.
This guy knows his BMW's..like the palms of his hands..👏👏👏
I love Japan Red. What a great looking car!
I’m ur biggest fan ..u men such a legend ....always hits different,,,u explain everything is very clearly
Still waiting for a rod bearing service for my s65 with Turner Motorsports
This is actually very interesting and understand why they need doing now, want to get an e92
Great video!
The Rod bearings from the F90 6:02 have some wear too.
Wear
Very good explanation. You guys structure the videos really well. Subbed!
Like the new format, very informative. Would have been nice to see 1 set go in at normal speed. 👍🏼👍🏼
No offense intended, but why after all that work would you replace OE bearings with another set of OE bearings? Lots of examples of replaced OE bearings failing. Lots of bearing options with extra clearance available, VAC, BE, etc. I personally went with Calico CT-1 coated with MRF/Vac spec ARP fasteners. Work done by MRF. This shouldn’t be a ‘serviceable item’ if extra clearance bearings are used. Plenty of real world of examples of engines pulled with extra clearance bearings that exhibit no wear.
Curious why you went with OEM and not aftermarket like BE Bearings with extra clearance and their custom ARP rod bolts? Did a lot of reading and this seemed to be the ‘correct’ fix.
We choose to use OEM parts because of the available long term testing to show that they work.
Evolve Automotive Awesome vid BTW kudos to you and your mechanic , So your saying that a well maintained , frequent oil changes the rod bearings can last much longer than 70k ??
Can you tell me does this apply to the M5/M6 S63tu do they have the same rod bearing issue ? Thanks
@@EvolveAutomotive I would argue testing show that they don't work, otherwise we wouldn't all be putting fresh bearings and bolts in. Also the BE spec ARP bolts are much easier to install instead of the complex OEM bolt torque procedure. The BE spec ARP bolts reduce the chance of a mistake during install, so at the very least I would use those no matter what bearing goes in the engine.
@@Antimatter. There have been plenty of cases of cars that have been treated well spinning a bearing, and cars that are treated like crap that are fine. It would seem a bigger factor is the variance of clearance from car to car because there is always SOME variance with bearing size, or maybe some OEM bolts come a little loose over time as they stretch.
What an amazing car..you buy it and next day you need to pay more than 5.000 to fix it...in my world this cars should be cheaper than a table...brainwash is what it is really
Incredible view from underneath and well explained... Great job! 🙌👍
Awesome content and production quality guys
Love these edits guys, very well explained and great knowledge shared so Thankyou !
Trying to figure out.. OE, ACL or ACL HX? Which one and why?
Therapeutic to watch!
Is your watch an avenger or a super avenger if its the company I think it's is good colour too
I love your channel Imran. Makes me want to buy an E92 M3 just to drive down from Edinburgh and get you guys to work on it.
Highly informative and always keeps my attention for the whole upload ( which is rare these days ). All the best
Thank you! Glad you are enjoying our content. Appreciate the comments.
Oil fil-uh 🤣☠️ English accents are 🔥
This is by far the coolest video on the rod bearings I have seen.
Awesome car stunning colour brilliant video
Good price , £1500 ,
why do the rod bearings spinn??? cuse there shit engines lol
Hi. I notice in your rod bearings videos you don't appear to measure the rod journals with a micrometer or use plastiguage to measure the clearance between the new rod bearings and the crank. Is this not necessary or are the new OE bearings 'one size fits all'? Interested as I am about to purchase an E92 and will likely change the rod bearings myself. Many thanks and love the channel 😊
Hello evolve. Are you able to answer my question please? Thanks 😂
Is better if you clean the oil pump pipe before you close oil sump
Love your channel after coming across it through LLF, no bullshit just nice guys doing excellent work. If I have money left when my kids grow up and I get the BMW M5 I dream of I know where I am taking it for any Mods :)
Do other BMs need this doing regularly?
Rod bearing spinning? Are you not confusing the rod bearing wear issue with the S55 crank hub failure problem?
No, when a rod bearing fails it will often fuse itself to the crank and spin
How long are the rod bearings good for after a service?
Great video and a detailed explanation from the mechanic 👨🔧! Amazing professionalism👍🏿👍🏿!
Is Aston’s last name Martin? Because he looks like he knows a thing or two about performance cars.
Done a full fork and blade change with new bearings too...on a 90 litre diesel engine 😂 Apart from the weight, its easier since everything's accessible and you don't have to remove anything for it😉
thank you for your quick response, are there any major problems with the folding roof? cheers.
Not that we’ve seen but not something we would have a huge amount of experience with
I like the way youve explained the teardown bolt for bolt part for part process but speed the time up excellent.. kinda like a comprehensive guide.. 10/10 well done
New subscriber after the Hamza upload and I can now see why Hamza came to you guys! Very informative and insightful 👍
This is now my favourite BMW related channel.
Well done guys.
Awesome to see your M5 on carwow drag race.😎
Is this common only for the bottom rod bearing to wear, I am assuming the top rod bearing is serviceable but at longer intervals?
The main bearings are only possible to be changed with an engine strip down, and we haven’t seen a real issue with them.
Excellent video and nice work by Aston. I know the job well having built a load of engines myself but its great to hear someone explaining it so clearly for other viewers.
Does this issue also affect N54 engines?
Absolutely love your videos. The video quality and such detailed explanation and process. Bravo !
Why not put the King STD bearings in? Should push the service interval life of the bearings out a bit
Aston made that look simple, but you just know that its not ;-) Top video, top tutorial, and a top car too. Thanks guys.
How do you remember where each bolt goes when you put things back?!?
Experience 🤓
So no need to initially take it easy (limit rpm) on the engine after replacing the rod bearings?
Not particularly. We advise customers to drive it home ‘normally’ before any spirited driving, but this is more a belt and braces rather than requirement.
Pretty sure that even after modifications it will be still slower than current m4
Oh definitely 😂 But SO much more enjoyable to drive.
how long it takes you to replace
It's a shame that such a nice car didnt getbetter engineers to design the internals of that engine to at least make em last long like every other road legal car. Out there.
Really good video. Absolute credit to UA-cam 👊🏻
The E92 is the best M3!
Look at this beauty
Bmw FOREVER 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Top quality explanation and video thanks guys 👍
How do you know if your rod bearing is spinning ? What are the signs ?
Unfortunately there isn’t really any warning signs. By the time you can hear a noise it’s really too late 😰
Them bearings looked fine to me it’s all about making ££££
I went with VAC bearings and bolts for my n55 f30. You said that this is a serviceable item. 2 questions:
1. Is this true for upgraded hardware?
2. Wasnt the car at 60k already, therefore are you suggesting to switch in another 10k or or anther 70k? With aftermarket or oem bearings and bolts?
We do not have any data for upgraded hardware as we have not seen enough examples of their long term wear.
After another 70k - That is in Astons opinion.
What mileage would you suggest changing the bearings? I bought my E92 M3 in 2016 with 16k miles on a 12 plate. 2 owners before me. You did my stage 2 for me. Car is currently on 29k miles and I always warm it up. Oil is changed once a year regardless of miles done. Oh, and absolutely loving the Carbon Plenum 😁👌
The problem always is you just can’t be sure how the previous owners treated the car.
If you’re thinking of selling it in the next 10-20k I probably wouldn’t worry too much, but if it’s a forever car I’d probably do it just so I knew it was all good.
Glad you’re enjoying the car! Ours really needs the full Eventuri and Stage 2 now 🤩
even more interesting would be if evolve takes some diesel whether 3-4 series or even previous e92 335d and make maximum modifications for maximum performance to rival m cars. or even takes the triturbo or quad m50d and maxes it out with mods to rival m5....that would be good rivalty video with fans from both petrol and oil burners.
Wowwww, so weel present. Weel done guys, keep up with the good work 👏 bmw for life
Love these videos!
I know getting to the 400whp club is kinda hard with the S65. Does your stage 2 get close? Any experience with aftermarket headers?
I’m also not sure if the power figures of the e92 are slightly different between your cars and the ones in the US.
The highest we have had NA is 464bhp which is probably around 400whp. That was a strong base car, Eventuri Intake, Stage 2 ECU Tune and our X-Pipe
To all the commentators please do not sleep on the "(evolve92 M3)"
Excellent video.....it was a idea to get Aston explaining his task
As clearance is one of main issues what are the new bearings selected with more clearance?
Amazing work guys very high quality
Awesome video! Great explanation yall
Great vid. The car has done 68k, i notice the guy said "if it was my car i would look to do them again at around 70k", that's 2k miles apart, this was surely a mistake?
An additional 70k miles
Did the guy actually say that he would replace the rod bearings again at 70k when he just changed them at 68k? 2k per interval 🧐
In 70k miles. Not at 70k miles
He did say I would change them again ‘around 70k miles’ so I was a bit confused. I thought this guy must really enjoy changing the rod bearings 😂
After another 70k. A few people have got confused about this which is surprising.
Opinion is split in the office on this in truth.
Well done great job Emran I’ve got a question mate if I install the downpipe in my m5 f90 without turning it will be drivable or what will happen please advise thanks
Will be drivable but engine management light on the dash. If it is fitted with OPF I believe it will go in to limp mode but haven’t tested that for sure.
Man, really like your level of calmness. Nice video 👍🏻
Excellent, quality video that.. I look online at E92 M3s, or even (dare I say it) E60 M5 or E63 M6... Knowing about rod bearing issues particularly with the V10 is what makes me nervous though..
With an M3 if you get the rod bearing service done and look after the car you’ll be fine.
The M5/M6.... 😅
@@EvolveAutomotive Just the answer i was after...appreciate that 👊
M5/6 yeah.. where's my head at 😄
Did you guys change the bolts aswel. I use to warm the car up to the max temp which is easy and quicker for where i live.
Good to see that u also dont feel the car needs break in time after the replacement. First few minutes should be ok.
We change them with OEM replacements. They are stretch bolts and must be replaced.
We advise customers take it easy on the drive home but there is no run in period for a bearing change.
Can you fix this issue with aftermarket parts?
Hi there I've had a new engine from BmW at 60000 miles under warranty. I've now done 99000ish. I don't track it with use only for pleasure. Does my rod bearings need doing?
If you’ve owned the car since the replacement engine and always warmed it up correctly and done the maintenance regularly you should be okay.
@EvolveAutomotive thank you kindly. I'm looking tonget the Plenum and the venturi kit. How much will that cost fitted?
Please email sales@evolveautomotive.com and we can give you a fitted price quote, thanks!
@@EvolveAutomotive email done. Thank you.
Carbon Citizens - I75, what a banger!
It will be interesting to install some Long tube headers to the M3! We wanna see if there is any gains from as well as the sound!
No gains
I love your work 🖤
excellent brief video, pardon me to state that the removal/installation of the bearings was quite fast to illustrate for amateurs that wish to give it a try, thank you so much
We don’t intend this video to be a DIY, just a behind the scenes look for people who want to understand the job more.
Great video! How much does a job like that cost?
£1500 inc VAT
Great video, my E92 is at 48000 miles now. Wondering how long i should wait
Get them done ASAP mate better to do soon than wait.
That's one high mileage BMW well done
did you re-use those bolts?
Absolutely not.
Hello, I ask: is it necessary to change the screws that hold the bearings, thank you
Yes, very necessary
@@EvolveAutomotive Hello, can you recommend a special brand or a link to buy the bearing and screw kit for BMW M3 V8 engine S65 2012 model, thank you please
@@tecnimodularesnoguera6527 you can buy it all from us - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-rod-bearing-replacement-kit-bmw-e90-e92-e93-m3-s65?_pos=1&_psq=S65+rod+bearing&_ss=e&_v=1.0