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Can Rear Subframe Bushes finally fix our 152,000 mile E92 M3?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2022
- Having chased all the simple options for curing the handling problems on our high mileage E92 M3 there was only one thing left... To bite the bullet and drop the rear subframe!
There are 4 main bushes that link the rear subframe to the body of the car, and they do slowly get softer over time. Could this be what was making the handling of our car so poor? Only one way to find out.
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Aston's presentation was really good to watch. Well worded, composed, didn't "fall off the screen" so to say.
Great video - glad you include the labour costs too - a lot miss that one out so you don’t get a true picture!👍🏻
Lovely to see someone who's knowledgeable and confident in the workshop
Finally, literally been waiting months for a new E92 vid!!
Epic to see all this work done in just one quick video👌🏼 Great video!
Great video Imran & Aston. These are a real showcase for a quality business you're running there. Props to the video creator/editor too, always top quality.
Thanks for the kind words!
For me it is always worth it, because doing what you have done provides piece of mind knowing those components on the car work and perform as intended. Every drive from this day on will always be just that little bit better.
Another quality video. Nice to see the 'true' cost of things. Not like some programs that claim to make a profit etc but never tell you how much it actually cost. :)
I could watch Aston talking about cars for 10 hours straight! Great series
It's financially worth it if you emotionally enjoy it. 👍
Great video !
Love that your so honest re the costs.....i wish other youtubers would do the same
Great vid, great editing and great voice overs.
F'ing pro work! Love to see a dedicated BMW tech exercising his talent. Nice and tidy work. Well done.
Lovely to finally see S65 content again 👍🏽
When it comes to rust you should really check out the underside of the trunk, even some low mileage cars have rust there.
Great video that shows the realities of mileage and importantly time. The question of whether or not it’s worth it may depend on the spec or color combo. As time goes on and these become less numerous, the answer may change.
I own a BMW e92 M3 and truly enjoy it. The up keep maintenance to keep them running and handling like new can be financially overwhelming to some. If you are fortunate to find one for a great price and plan to keep it and enjoy it I would still say yes to the project. The sound and performance you get still puts a smile to my face.
How much you spent on it
@@ozhoneybadger only normal oil changes, differential change,power steering oil,transmission oil change. All done in my garage so just parts. Now I will be doing my Rod bearings at 100k miles more for piece of mind. That will be a out of pocket expense of 2500.00 in California . So at that point I will replace my motor mounts . No issues with throttle actuators or oil leaks so far at 92k miles. Unfortunately my 335is is a different story. I’ve replaced almost every gasket possible and turbos, water pump/ thermostat, injectors/coils, boost actuators. However now that I’ve replaced all of these parts it’s as amazing to drive as my M3.
I did something similar with a Chevrolet 1979 Caprice Classic, replaced all the trailing arms in the rear (4 pieces) all double wishbones in the front (4 pieces) all springs and shocks too. I can feel your excitement in the video, when driving the car after the fix! (the parts cost me 1400 Euro shipped from USA, did the fix myself)
My car obviously had never been touched tho nothing was loose the rubber was like 40 years old and full of big horizontal cracks so loose under pressure but not loose enough during an MOT or inspection to warrant change.
All in all it was not worth it, but to me it was. Nothing beats driving a "brand new" 40 year old car for under 1500 euros! (and a weekend of elbow grease) :)
The engine is a 350 or 5.7L V8 with only 300hp but it rides good.
Great work Aston
Great video, thanks for sharing the costs 👍
I really love mechanics vidéos.. good job guys
Great work as always 👌🏼
It’s great to see a continuation of this high mileage example. Did anything ever come of the proposed MSS/Bilstein coil over kit to retain the EDC function? Hopefully that will be the content you mentioned near the end. Thanks again for the update! 🤝🏽💯
Our Japan Red car is running the prototype dampers, just waiting for our first batch to come from Bilstein!
@@EvolveAutomotive I’m awesome to hear! I’ve replace control arms so far and that helped. May drop the subframe and replace bushings as well. 162k miles, still strong 👍🏽
Great video. Well done.
Great job.
The Monte Carlos are fairly desired but sure you're right you wouldn't get the money back at the mo.
But, you've kept it alive.
I've put 116k miles on my 2010 manual Monte Carlo & will be keeping it going.
Great video as always.
Been waiting for this car’s update 🔥
Love this content brotha.
Great content as per usual 👏🏽 👌🏽 👍🏾
Big eye opener this video
Thanks for the run down on prince think I need my sub bushes done
Made an absolutely huge difference! Can fully recommend. Looking forward to trying the solid bushes at some point.
Props to the mechanic !
Great Vid. Your M5 looks menacing in the flesh. Was Southbound on the M1 yesterday evening(21st) in the Grey i4 M50 when you came past. My son loves your car and kept wanting me to chase you........ He doesn't yet understand the difference between A quick car and a QUICK car
Your i4 looked great! I was taking it easy as normal on the M1 during the day 😁
That supra with the Alfa Romeo style wheels looks awesome, one of yours Imran?
Also, the back end looks awesome with a new subframe, good job.
It is, a project car that’s getting ready to move on.
I’ve been waiting for this video for ages 🤣👌🏻
E9x m3 content=best content
Wow for 24k£ you can t get a e92 M3 here in germany who has seen such repairs. Regatless that the car has so many miles.
Btw video editing is next level!!!
Its amazing that you can get a car like that at all for such a low price. Coming from Norway these cars never go under 40k and that is the ones with highest milage. I love these projects tho! Great content🎉
Love these features 🤛
Wow, proper job 😎
Brilliant video, really useful for owners wishing to keep their cars, I bet some parts could be sourced at better prices. I’ve just bought a new subframe from EBay for my e90 335d for £350
Kudos to #AshtonMartin and the Evolve Krew. Nicely done. #NewCarSmell
The rear wheel bearing are pressed out and pressed in, so it is easier to do this off the subframe/car.
Also, if you want to change the rear sway bar or even refresh the rubber bushings, you have to drop the subframe.
The two piece driveshaft develops a clunk, so change the front Guibo, Center Bearing, and rear CV Joint, plus all the bolts.
In the US, you can get a remanufactured drive shaft with a serviceable U-Joint. The BMW OEM Driveshaft isn't serviceable.
Adding stainless steel brake lines is recommended. Better brake pads is also advisable.
I know its not quite Evolve level but would love to see you guys work on a high mileage 135i N55. Only because I have one😄😅
Very good video, My e92 M3 failed it’s MOT today for the subframe being rotten…It has massive holes in it 😬 so mine is worse than this one. Wish me luck!
Oh wow! That’s worrying to hear it was bad enough to fail and MOT. Hopefully you can do a few upgrades at the same time like we did here and notice a nice difference 🤞🏻
Good subframes used go for around £200-£250 so plenty could have been saved and put some money into restoring the floor from surface rust. I didn't realise BMW charged so much for the subframes new! Glad I got mine re-powdercoated.
You’d then still need to add the cost of new bushings, removing and replacing them, and having it refinished. Along with then still buying something that has worn.
You definitely could, but for us we just decided to go new.
good stuff
Great vid! Would love one of these at some point! Would it not help to replace rear shocks at same time? That would help tighten up the ride at the back as well.
We did a set of used dampers in a previous video, check it out if you missed it!
@@EvolveAutomotive Oh super I will check it out 👍🏻
Hello from Florida 👌👌🔥
Saw an E92 M3 sold for $16500 here in America, and thought to myself that it was the deal of the century and hated not being able to go for it, but this series is enlightening me to the fact that maybe it would've been hell trying to get the car back up and running.
For diagnosis of this kind of thing, mount a camera under the car pointed at the suspension components in question then take the car on a test drive. You'll see which parts are moving around.
EDIT: and wheel alignment, especially toe, can have a massive effect on handling especially with low-profile tyres
Hopefully one day you guys will help us figure out some extra horsepower with some new engine modifications 🙏
Hi really love this series. Just wanted to ask if there anything that needs to be changed on this due to high miles which people should be aware of like timing chain, water pump thermostat , alternator or anything of this sort?? Thank you
Nothing we’ve found so far really, but time will tell.
I hope you pay aston well, it seems he is the man for e92 m3's..if he was to do his own thing he would have a hell of a following.
Love the bmw ///m content...
THIS is why I'm glad the West USA doesn't salt roads and why I sought my E92 M3 from a non-salt state. Salt is one of the dumbest things we do to roads IMO.
Very usefully interesting guys, well done.
I did this job on a SEAT Leon. When I dropped the subframe, it was like paper, you could poke a screwdriver through it in most places.
Think its generally best to pay the extra upfront in initial purchase price and have Low mileage / better condition platform to work from.. Great you done this , however its always going to be a high mileage car. Thanks for the video
I always buy my cars like this, might be more expensive, but cheaper in the long run. Has never let me down for over 19 cars.
It depends on what you prefer isn’t it regardless the car now has near all brand new parts on that’ll drive better than a lower miler.
I have e92 2013 m3 with 38k mileage and done the subframe bushes diff bushes everything on the rear new and it’s amazing. Brand new
But it’s other things like bodywork and stuff if you want it perfect.
what is the torque spec for those 4 bolts that holds the subframe ?
Great video. Would it be possible to get a list of part numbers? Or is it just too many haha
Honestly too many to list! Head to realoem.com and you can find all the part numbers for what you need there.
Imran… what coat are you wearing and is it fully water proof?
Well needed ☕️👈🏻
Got to put solid bushings into the rear subframe.
are the bad bushing give jumpy acceleration on 1st gear ?
I'm curious to know, when Aston pre-loaded the suspension with the jack, how did he know how high to jack it? Measured from the ctr of the hub to the wheel arch?
When the spring is compressed to the point of starting to take the weight off the jacking point on that corner.
Can you help me with the sos code I’m getting on my dash. I have no sound coming out of the radio🙏
High mileage or not it's still a great car though and it's even better now after all the tlc you guys have given it
Have you guys done a differential swap to a 3.62 with a DCT? Just a suggestion for another vid to see if it actually helps or hurt the cars performance 0-60 or 0-100. I’ve read mixed reviews.
So to get the Japan Red M3 feeling as fresh as the newly renovated blue M3, all you’d have to do is put some new bushings, and you should be set ?
That’s the subject of the next video!
Love if you guys shared the cost of all the repairs.....
We did? 🤔
A+ Guys
4:20 Disassembly
9:40 Assembly
Quick timestamps to help myself out.
What do you make of bushing inserts? Any good?
Haven’t tried them on this platform, but on F2x rear they made a decent difference for the price.
Bit of anti-seize compound wouldn't go a miss
You guys are crazy for dropping that whole rear sub, while on a 4 point lift and nothing supporting the front engine. Lucky it didn't fly off the lift
Ooph not a cheap job, and that labor is a big chunk. Cost vs benefit analysis at the end was interesting. I was wondering about the costs to refresh against buying a lower mileage one. Seems lower mileage is the way to go. UNLESS you can do the work yourself eh.
Aston, with his skills, could a great car flipper. lol
In our next video we’ll investigate this and make a final decision.
Worth it as long as you do it for the ride, not for the money. Spending money on a car rarely adds to it's value unless you're a trader or garage.
Another great vid but the money is showing it’s not really cost effective to do it this way. Still a good watch 👍🏽
We incurred some extra costs with the subframe replacement for sure. But then you save on a little labour replacing bushes.
The question for the next episode is, does it drive better than a 24k car?
Cost effective and M3 will never belong in the same sentence. There's no such thing even if you bought a minter!
@@sinnysinsin_ true true
@@Hcarmad weird thing with M3s is that if you're not replacing worn parts you're upgrading and uprating the others 😂
@@sinnysinsin_ that policy applies to all enthusiasts no matter the car, always upgrading when replacing and always look for the next tasteful mod 😎
Was it the case that you didn’t observe much corrosion on the cars chassis itself? Asking as I bought a high mileage E92 M3 that’s gone through a few winters and will likely perform a similar service in the future. It’s my impression that the E92 is phenomenally weatherproofed
There was the beginnings of some surface rust, but nothing that was to cause concern compared to what we would see on E36/46
Why do u torque down the swaybar bushings? Once the car is on the ground on its own weight the swaybar is going to move, the bushings will be twisted and wear out much quicker
The antiroll bar can move anyway. Its really not a issue that the internet makes it out to be
Its not an vulcanized connection between the swaybar and the bushing. So it is allowed to move. That is opposite to the bushings of the suspension arms which are vulcanized on both sides and therefore have to be torqued in driving position.
Imran, I miss the VMAX200 vids🥺
The event stopped so bit difficult to make those video 😅
@@EvolveAutomotive ohh, makes better sense now
Why when you had the subframe out did you not clean and rust protect the underside?
Because this car is not having a full restoration. We are just sorting it mechanically. Its not a worthy investment for us to do anything else. We have a lower mileage Japan Red M3 which is the pampered one.
@@EvolveAutomotive
It wouldn't cost too much to clean and put a spray on underseal surely? And it would be alot cheaper than cutting out and rewelding the boot floor as a bit of preventative maintenance was done? Especially since all the hard work and time to remove the subframe? Good work on all of the other restoration work though. The old subframe was a bit of a mess..
Would be 2-3 days of work to do properly and something we are not at all equipped to do.
It would literally be throwing money away for little to no gain other than it looking nice. Our M3 CSL, Z3M etc are worthy candidates of that treatment, not a high mileage E92.
But the question still is, if you don't have the budget to buy a low mileage e92 but can afford a high mileage one. Is it still worth it to own.
Based on how our car came to us, and you couldn’t spend any money on it? No.
Maybe for the purposes of this series, stripping and coating the underside of the car would have been cost prohibiitive, but since rust is what is most likely end this cars life for good, I would have sorted out all of the corrosion underneath, that way in many ways it would be better than a much lower mileage car - which could even be well on its way to this condition anyway. The rest of the car might be good for another 10-15 years at this point, but any kind of regular winter use might see you back underneath again before long having to make more structural repairs.
Long term issues for this car are not our problem to fix. Would rather put that money into the Japan Red one when it's required.
Love a high mileage could u get and high mileage e46 ❤
Perhaps in the future
you need to restore those wheels to original aspect (polished faces) asap! car's going to pop up right away.
They need binning for Comp pack wheels
@@EvolveAutomotive sure, better idea!
Isn't it Melbourne Red? Not Japan red?
No. It's Japan Red. Not Melbourne Red.
Zero attempt to clean / blast / paint the differential?
Yes
there is a reason its called budget build and if it is functioning properly no need to do it
@@Waqar_a9 exactly
What about selling tickets to win it
What are the marks on the bolts for?
To remember what has had its final torque process done. Helpful when carrying out a larger job with many processes.
It can also be a marker to see if things have shifted in the future.
@@EvolveAutomotive Thanks, that's very helpful!
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Loved the video!
man...at 9:50 such a pitty to mount all those dusty unloved parts onto a brand new subframe. The rear differential could use a bit of sand blasting too.
Not trying to make it anything but mechanically sound. Not keeping this car as we have a lower mileage Japan Red M3 which is the cherished one.
Any chance you might put a harrop supercharger on this car? :)
Absolutely none 🤣
@@EvolveAutomotive well bugger blokes gotta try to see it done somewhere lol
The UK seems like a terrible place with all the corrosion geez.
Must be cold in that workshop imran
It is in winter 🥶
In addition to that restoring right now to T D I Volkswagens $5000 just for one engine on the O2 end of a Redi restored a O2 1.80 wagon that I paid $600 for he was on his way to the scrapyard know it’s late and you hate new cars fits in the old
I don’t think it matters how much it cost to restore an older car nowadays because the newer cars have so many computers and then in the future batteries so it is worth it no matter the cost just restore the BMW one series for my daughter probably could’ve bought a new car for her didn’t care it was an 09 with a six speed totally worth it
The newer cars are very fast but they seem to lack the character of the older models. If you end up spending 60k including the cost of the car and you have something you love you’re ahead VS spending 100k on something new.
Well put. My E92 M3 is still more emotional to me over the F80 comp, so the kids can grow up and get back to enjoying this modern classic. The numbers make sense.
@@cremephoto Amen I miss MY E92.
Real shame you didn’t bother to even spray a bit of anti corrosion on the under body
Complete waste of time and resources for this car.
15 mins with a wire brush and and a waft over with some under seal ? When you are spending 1.5k on a subframe and you have access . I understand it’s a project/UA-cam car but I’m guessing you’ll sell it on
@@497adam really zero interest or motivation to clean it or underseal this particular car.
I’ve got a 57k miles 2012 and my subframe looks horrific! Totally unrelated but my friend wants to borrow your subframe just to test something…
That subframe is long gone to become tin cans 😅
@@EvolveAutomotive ha! If you need to do a reshoot of this video I’m happy to donate my car… 😂
100 pounds an hour labour?? Whaaaaaat?!
Next time spray some oil undercoating spray from a can, takes 10 minutes
You could have cleaned up the diff and other parts while you had thing's apart. When you buy a car like that you get what you pay for.
We own a lower mileage Japan Red M3. This car is just for the UA-cam channel so no point wasting money on it
@@EvolveAutomotive Good to know. Please keep up the good work. I have a 540i Msport so any content on a 5 series will be awesome. 👍