I liked to think of the making of koffin k to be like guy1: we need to make a oc as random as the original undertale characters so quickly what’s the first thing your thinking of? guy2: uhhh hat! wait no I don’t thin- Guy1: perfect idea let’s make him a freaking hat!
I think the problem with Betty is that she had potential, but then just became a mary sue & her motivation changes out of nowhere. Not only that, but she could have been a more manipulative character that could have tricked humans into being against monsters again (which would fit with her initial motivations as well).
@@Mike0445 “I’ll ensure humans & monsters can’t coexist imma wipe out the monsters” - Never tries to manipulate humans against monsters. - Used the kumus instead to attack humans for souls to get stronger, but it’s barely ever shown how she gets stronger from this. - Runs away like 3 times - Kills a ton of humans, their motivation changes randomly halfway through the season, & ONLY PERMA KILLS 2 MONSTERS (Sans & Alphys)
Definitely agree on the manipulation part. Could have had more of a mystery element to all of it. But Camila wanted to make a fighting series at the end of the day. Though she could have potentially spent another episode (or more?) on the manipulation aspect, that’s not really what she was looking to do, I guess. Understandable, but still unfortunate.
I like undertale yellow, becuase a easy option is using more popular chacters, use places more familiar, and using more fanservice. But decide using orignial characters, orignial palces, and original songs, and can respect this decision.
at first i was really bored and hoping to see my fav undertale characters but then i realized i was sounding like flowey, who was constantly telling clover to "not forget the mission" of getting to asgore and dying. the game rlly plays mind tricks on you and i respect it a lot for that
And so Koffin K looked at the defeated fraud, Betty Noire, Queen of Hatred, and said “Stand proud Betty, you were a good OC.” Betty then dies 🔥✍️ On a more serious note I wouldn’t mind if people utilized Betty in a villain role more. They were lowkey pretty cool to watch. Just ignore the creator (though that’s arguably pretty hard)
I'm surprised you didn't bring up Cereb, another classic. He had an interesting fight, valid motives, and a simplistic yet uncanny design. HE was the only monster (that I know) that understands WHO the human IS. It's a player, who doesn't fear consequences, and instead adopts them as challenges. He fully understands this, and stops caring as he KNOWS there's no consequences as the human will reset and pick the best outcome regardless. You can even do the pacifist ending after the "challenge" ending and he'll THANK you for allowing him to understand things that would be beyond his normal comprehension. Unlike SOME -mistakes- edgy OCs, he doesn't turn into "the avenger of monsterkind" or whatever because you start killing. He comprehends it, but instead of trying to stop you, he tries to understand WHY, and use all knowledge he has to help whoever he can, however he can. He doesn't really have any "emotional moments" but he's someone who I think fits spot-on in the Undertale cast. Give my boy Cereb the respect he deserves, dammit!
The fact that his boss fight can end in so many unique ways is incredible to the development of a potential Gaster rival in terms of scientific prowess.
that is literally like not even the reason people think that bro ☠fuck you talkin bout, thats cuz people misinterpret chara's little monologue at the end of genocide and spooky jumpscare and slash that end your save file + the times frisk moves on their own during like snowdin and stuff (which ppl interpret as getting possessed).
Glitchtale has had an impact on the UT community whether you like it or not. There's a reason why Chara sometimes has a black goo face and maybe some red weapons in some fanmade content.
Chara had a gooey face in the jump scare scene in the ending of the no mercy route, which inspired hate in the first place. Weapons being red likely also existed before Glitchtale popularized it. I mean, human magic being the same color as their souls make sense, since they only have magic in their souls.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Undertale Green, for one. Besides, even if she had any impact, it will not preserve her name here in any way besides being a defender of a predator. It’s best we forget about her, lest she hurt this community further.
@@JacksonVoet I did this comment for a while, but how Frisk being possessed by the player (and their variants in Underverse's case) would improve the stories of Glitchtale and Underverse.
Fun fact: at koffin keep, flowey will ask you if it is worth being Koffin's lackey, and one of the dialogue options is that "he is so worth it", in which flowey calls them out, but will keep it a secret
God, it feels so weird seeing someone (who isn't reacting to Glitchtale live) genuinely like Betty as a character and a villain. Public consensus nowadays seems to be hating absolutely everything about Glitchtale, including the good parts, so this is genuinely a breath of fresh air for me. Doesn't hurt that _I_ still like Glitchtale regardless of any controversy, with UnderVow (my "main" Undertale AU/AT story that I should _really_ get back to season 2 of) being heavily inspired by both it _and_ Dusttale.
It’s because of the amount of people realizing how bad the writing of Glitchtale actually (Betty’s whole character, HATE, how Cami portrayed Undyne, Asgore, Chara, etc) is the moment you analyze what’s actually going on + Camila’s past leaked plans for the Glitchtale cancelled prequel definitely does not help with the whole Glitchtale is bad argument.
@@purpledshadow Nonetheless, it had some interesting ideas and concepts that are worth exploring. And in the Undertale community, there’s sure to be some people who’ll experiment with that. On Ao3, there’s a story called _Glitchtale Rewrite_ by That_One_Aaron_1. It uses some ideas from Glitchtale mixed with new ones, and takes them in a different direction. It probably won’t be finished, but what’s there is honestly worth your time.
the only Issue I personally have with Koffin K is not even about him as a character, but how I feel like the amount of sceeen-time he gets and the way he gets it, damage the later crossbones parts. you end up spending so much time with him in the second half of starlight isles , that Crossbones no longer feels deserving of being the section boss and the skeletal showdown feels more like an aftermath than anything. If the time chara spends with Crossbones and Koffin K was a bit more spread out in between each other, instead of there being a half of the area half-focused on one (crossbones) and a second half focused on the other (Koffin K) ,theere might've been a better balance between the two .
You should make a video talking about the many Undertale Animated Series or just animated videos in general. There are a lot of them and I’d like to see what you think about them. Underverse is better than glitchtale
Now for Part 2 of Undertale OC retrospective Ts! Underswap: I believe Harry and Larry and Koffing are my favorite. Harry and Larry are the most fun characters. They remind me of my favorite trope, a duo of unthreatening sidekicks and they are funny for me. They are kind of a mix of Harry and Marv from Home Alone mixed with Pizza Tower mixed with Wario and Waluigi mixed with rats. They're so hilarious and their No Mercy fight is definitely the saddest and most terrifying boss fights. For me TS Underswap's Ruthless Route is terrifying because of how personal it was. Not only did we ruin the bond between Harry and Larry, we LITERALLY use an ACT action to make them unable to do anything to save each other. They're goofy villains like Team Rocket and I don't want to ruin that bond they have. Sorry I'm such a sucker for goofy baddies and some that aren't great at being evil. Or those who try too hard to be evil. And speaking of Koffing. Koffing is definitely the best. I love their design, and their design is the most creative I've seen.The trenchcoat, the yellow eyes, the brillance of color wheel such as oranges, red and yellows. He's the best. He reminds me of villains like Doctor Doofensmirtz and Megamind. He's just a lonenly guy and I love how he is doing the hammy bad guy just to roleplay against Crossbones aka Sans. Love how Koffin K was the most hilarious Oc and they didn't need to be an intimidating Oc like Red or a tragic Oc like Ceroba. Still love Koffin K and his crew. And now for Part 3 and my analysis of sigh...Betty Noire. (2/?)
I also got my expectations lowered a lot in UTY after knowing the cast would be completely original, when the demo came out I didn't like it that much so I never played it... until the full game came out, after trying it I see that the characters are actually really good! maybe not the best but good overall. good video as always based.
One thing I wanna say about uty is that it very much feels like in Geno, Starlo just dies to justify that Ceroba fight. Like fridging but the genders are swapped. He was willing to tie us up during his fight in Pacifist just to get his friend group back, but in Geno he suddenly wants an honorable duel when the lives of all monsterkind are at stake? Come on. If you want to use the mechanic, have it lead into an actual fight once you win the standoff. Edit: Have it be bait! Have him lure you into a duel so you stand still (or move in a predictable way) and are wholly focused on him, only for Ceroba to dive at you and lead into a duo fight. There, you can have it both ways. Starlo drops his tough guy facade and collaborates with Ceroba in their time of need, forcing character development in a time of urgency. Could even have a branching second phase depending on who you focus first (saw a concept where Starlo destroys your Fight button)
THE AMOUNT OF ABSOLUTELY LOVE I HAVE TOWARDS KOFFIN K PHYSICALLY CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED. I enjoyed finded out that almost everyone here shares my opinion xD
Undertale aus that have ocs are an honest guilty pleasure of mine, I absolutely adore seeing people's fan ocs featured in their respective aus if handled correctly. TS!Underswap and Undertale Yellow are perfect examples of au ocs that are absolutely peak! Both aus have ocs that feel like they were created by Toby fox and have all of the charm his undertale characters have! Martlet is my spirit animal and must be protected, Starlo is such a rad guy! Koffin-K is an absolute blast of a villain and his goons Harry and Larry are so much fun! Then you have aus that handles their ocs kinda poorly (cough cough OG glitchtale) Put a gun to my head and the only ocs in glitchtale I know about and kinda care a small bit about are Bete Noire and Jessica, but even then I don't really care for Jessica, and the original Betty is executed horribly, don't get me wrong, a demon that feeds off hate and fear is a really cool idea, but Betty ain't it chief. I hate to admit that my main au oc was inspired a bit by Betty in the au, just a lot more Mary Sue 😭 I have since grown up and have worked on this OC as well as have pals improve his character to be more interesting and unique as a pose to "Betty but top hat" and I do have plans to use him in other projects unrelated to undertale because it's part of his character to travel and learn while also altering stuff in his own way as a fun experiment. All and all, ocs in aus if done well can be just as recognizable and lovable as some of the original cast! (TS! Underswap shark NPC my beloved!)
The car was an illusion created by Betty. But you're right. If that was a real car, Frisk probably would have killed a family of four just to save Betty, which is funny to think about
I mean... I don't think UTY's cast being separate is inherently a problem. It just makes the world feel more separated, which isn't inherently bad. Or maybe I'm wrong, idk. Also, I agree with your position on Kount Koffin K. In fact, I actually believe he is the best character in all of fiction, but that's just me.
Great vid!! I don’t really like Betê Noire as a character just because how she not only is a Mary Sue but she as a character destroys the narrative Glitchtale sets up (love overcoming hate when love had no part in her defeat), but I get why people would like her! Other than that I agree with most of your opinions :)) (also Koffin K my beloved)
I think a problem is that most people seem content in just changing what's already there rather than create something new. I'm guilty of that too, most of my own ideas are just "Deltatraveler but with Berdly, more obscure video game worlds and Marisa from Undertale 2" or "RPGMaker characters in an Undertale-like game" (I really love RPGMaker games). I really love seeing creative ideas and characters here, TS!Underswap, as you've said, being a huge highlight of that. But yeah, Axis and Dalv got done dirty
One of my favorite OC's in community is Petaly (yeah I know he is from deltarune but still...) I liked him alot when I saw for the first time and when I read about his story more I genuine started to love him, his whole stick is very good, and I think it fit the whole thing that the secreat bosses are as far we know, and I believe his probably best secret boss prediction
@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 that's the point. He is a bastardization of Flowey who combines deltarune theories, like the secret boss being the toriel discarded flowers friends inside me
Honestly, thing I want to mention. If you somehow want to OC as any villian, try to give them motivation and making some kind of way to threath a main cast or character. Its like if fannon wrote neutral ending where asgore beat ^€@# of a flowey when he trys to land a last hit or sans in pacifist just uses gaster blaster or something, that would make it a really boring ending. My point is making a villian that is weaker that main cast, its just horryble villian. Making good motivation for a villian and fitting in the story can also make a horryble or boring character. Flowey for example (Undertale Yellow) allready had a good motivation of trying to get five souls, and trys to abuse Clover by that friendly persona, becase otherwise that wouldn't be possble with "little help". Its briliant how well flowey sometimes written is, and it kinda serves on how to make a good villian. It dosen't really matter what personality he have, as long you know how to write him correctly, like fr your villian can have personality of a donald trump, and it could work if you know how and why he is evil. Hope that helped(it did not)
That's what I think is the problem with Betty in Glitchtale. She starts off good: she's got clear-cut motivations, an actual personality (besides just MURDER MURDER MURDER) and serves as a genuine threat to the cast. But I think later on in the series (right about when she did the fusion dance with Akumu) is when she started to lose all of that. Her actions no longer line up with her whole "kill all monsters because I am racist" motivations because she starts targeting the human characters way more. She loses her personality quite a lot (earlier on in the series it felt like she had some humanity in her and could maybe even be redeemed), and even though she can still kill people, most of the "important" monsters are revived anyways. (Except for alphys and mettaton because Camila can't write characters who can't fight) All in all, Betty had potential, and could probably be a pretty good Undertale fan OC all things considered. But unfortunately, she suffers the curse of being in Glitchtale. Alas... Oh and don't even get me STARTED on her backstory
Ah Undertale Ocs so here are my overall thoughts on them and I'll save one happy RANT (that's not happy at all) on a specific Undertale original character that grinds my gears. This is Part 1 of my Undertale Oc analysis. Also thanks YT for taking down one of my comments... Red: Probably the first Undertale fanmade oc that kickstarted fanmade battle mods. Like Witty from Friday Night Funkin kickstarting the fanmade mods. Or Candy The Cat kickstarting FNAF mods. You know I enjoyed Red at first, but in all honesty looking back on her I feel kind of neutral on her. I am not saying Red's design was bad and her fanmade fight is one of the best fanmade boss fights the UT fandom has ever made. Her red riding hood design is unique that contrasts her from Darkstalker's BB Hood and the infamous web series RWBY's Ruby Rose. And I love how she is actually a ghost possessing a mannequin and her boss fight was cleverly designed like her slicing through the battlefield and targeting you through slashes. Not only can you properly avoid the slashes, the box is sliced through making you forced to find better options. Also Red catched the stick hehehehehe I love that meta joke to this day. And I like how Red isn't edgy, she's just someone struggling with humans because she became a Royal Guard for her late parents that sadly passed away from the war against humans and monsters. The dev Taxiderby who made her did a great job and Toby impressed by their work lend Taxiderby a job as one of the Deltarune devs. The issue I have with Red and the mod as a whole is that well...I honestly feel Red may have unintentionally kickstarted a trend of ocs wanting to kick your butt rather than a monster you want to befriend. I do not blame Taxidermy at fault for this, Red is a fun oc and she does have flaws such as her frustrations with humans and is a fun mix of a genki tsundere. When you defeated her in the Pacifist route while she is still resents humans she realizes that the person counts and not the majority. Fun moral lesson modern world sadly forgotten these days. Though I feel her moveset may have sadly inspired the hard Undertale fanmade mod fights. Especially Sans...sigh. Not every Undertale monster is a fighter, there's a reason why we don't have a Alphys fight in the No Mercy route. The monsters in UT are mostly caring creatures, keyword mostly because we have Dummy and Jerry. Red is a fine oc don't get me wrong yet other than that I feel the only reason why people love her us because of her fight. I don't despise her but I do feel her mod is the reason why we have the infamous Get Good UT mods. UTY: Undertale Yellow. I feel this is one of the best fanmade Undertale mods. Not only did we get to play one of the lost child souls before they were gone, but we have a new cast in general. I am happy with the end result and I enjoyed the UTY cast. But yes like you said it's true some cast members overshadowed some from their full potential. I remembered and enjoyed most of the cast such as Dalv or Axis, but I cannot remember the Feisty Four, El Baliador or Guardener not because they were forgettable nor bad characters. They just didn't hit the iconic status Monster Kid, Mettaton, Muffet or other supporting monsters had. Out of the original main three of the UTY cast, Starlo sadly gets the short end of the stick which is a bummer man because he's a fun geek who loved the wild west. He is a caring guy who cares for his fellow monsters and takes his role seriously. He's one of my favorites anf I feel him not having a proper No Mercy Route Fight was the biggest wasted potentials UTY mafe. Unfortunately, we don't see much on him in contrast to Martlet and Ceroboa who yes I will admit may have overstayed their welcome. Originally, I wished the Undertale Monsters in the original get to stay with you but I realized if one of them overshadows the cast it makes the game feel unrewarding on that specific character. No wonder why we have the UT phone calls because it is better to have fun dialogue and also the Date options aren't just for the sake of being goofy. It's getting to know the characters and I wish UTY had those fun yet heartwarming options. Like Alphys confessing her love for Undyne. Or Papyrus' funny time with a date and Sans giving a warning sign should you break his promise to Toriel. Now let's review Martlet and Ceroba the most contorversial UTY characters. Let's talk about Martlet because I enjoyed Martlet. She was like your best friend or mom I guess I would go for the former and is loyal to you. She does remind me of Papyrus but I enjoyed that even though she is caring she is still a Royal Guard member. So yes I do love her in the final boss fight as Zenith Martlet and she was HER during her boss fight. In the No Mercy route, realizing your sense of justice will threaten Monsterkind she defends her fellow monsters and risks her life despite Chujin's medicine about to overexert herself. I cried when she was pleading to be saved but I enjoyed her during the Pacifistic Route too as she was your supportive friend. She tries her hardest to defend you and I love how even if she's scatterbrained she still has a heart of gold, and I enjoyed she will always be your friend in the Neutral Route unless you commit to the No Mercy route. Now for Ceroba...gosh darn it I pity this Kitsune. Say what you will about how her storyline was executed, but I heavily relate to Ceroboa because she reminded me of myself and lost chances. Sure she was an idiot but she didn't know her actions caused the demise of Kanako her daughter. She was too busy focusing on something that she lost the moment it hit her. I don't want too personal, but I had to deal with the loss of my relatives and my grandma is grieving the loss of her son. It's hard because you don't realize something will vanish until it's too late. I do ferl UTY made Ceroba too angsty and yes I wished we could've had more insight into the Chujin Family and her childhood friendship with Starlo. But I feel bad for her and part of me hopes Ceroba can move on. I do feel she is a decent character based on your opinions and beliefs if she is good or not. Now for my favorite UTY character. Clover is my favorite in UTY. They strive for justice but in the end they're just a kid who has a heart of gold. Love how he's more interactive unlike Frisk because we're playing the role of the Fallen Children. Their arc of accepting their fate was one of the saddest yet beuatiful endings in a fangame I've seen. I enjoyed how Clover can also be reactive like how their level increased because of Axis. In my eyes, Clover is the best fanmade human and they deserve better. Hope they could reunite with the UTY cast since its implief the souls get to return back to their normal lives but that's a whole nother story or I'm misremembering the aftermath of UT's pacifist route. (1/?)
I just love ts underswap by how they actually make effort into making an original fangame, instead of re-using assets from undertale, and for a great example: characters.
Betty's conclusion is non-existent. They decided to start that conflict of humans and monsters starting war again, but then kinda forgot about it*insert susie forgot sticker here*. She died like a damn cockroach, even without conclusion we forget there should be one because, well, the conflict that is one of necessary things for conclusion to happen got, like, fucking lost somewhere. Characters spent all this time in second season yelling at each other and dying, and Betty just existed there as some abstract force, "BoOooO I hAve ScaRy fAce!!1! I'm noW a MaiN vIllaiN!!1". Her last fight is hundreds of times more boring than with Mettaton NEO because she just received punches in the end while killing off that Sans I started to hate. And final fight against Hate is a concentrated piece of bs, because it's made to show off how Camila improved at animation, but the fight itself is cringe, with this final transformation of Asriel appearing like Deus Ex Machina to save the day and... ME NOT CARING ABOUT HATE BECAUSE 99% OF SPOOKY-VILLAINY TIME WAS GRANTED TO BETTY. Generally, Glitchtale Season 2 can compete with first season only because of better animation and the existence of other characters when main depressed child isn't in scene. And, like, a lot of stuff is from Undertale, we saw that conflict of Asgore and Toriel, we saw that strong urge of Alphys to stop being a coward and Undyne stopping bad child with ballet shoes/scythe from murdering everything in existence. The best way you can enjoy it is take scenes that include fighting and skip over others.
Should be noted that every yellow main character are connected but they don’t realise it: they’re all connected to Chujin Ketsukane, and realise revelations regarding each other from knowing him. So there’s that. I also think that due to Axis importance in all 3 different routes that he midigates the “screen time” issue.
Red is the best oc imo, but underswap did them also really well. My problem with the characters in undertale yellow and glitchtale is that they are way too serious!
Wait people ship betty with dust sans? WHY? betty literally killed her sans twice AND is literally canonically supposed to have the goal to hate all monsters and NEVER let humans and monsters live in peace and harmony and to kill all monsters not to mention both canon and fanon dust sans shouldn't like betty either ESPECIALLY canon dust sans both of them already hate frisk and chara technically already and betty basically does the same shit that dust sans in general would hate betty for killing another version of him and for trying to kill his friends and brother and for also taking away his other selfs happy ending as that is quite literally the MOTIVATION for both canon and fanon dust sans is wanting himself and his friends and his people to be able to live in peace without being endlessly slaughtered over and over again even if fanon dust deviates stupidly from that goal by for whatever reason joining nightmares crew that ship entirely would work at all god its like the stupid kustard and dustberry ships all over again with illogical dumb ships that are completely incompatible with the two characters that are being shipped together
koffin k the goat anyways yeah i agree with your point of the uty chars having little to no dynamics with each other i wish martlet and ceroba had more interactions (we had ceroba breaking her out of prison but still) i want my girls
Dalv is the first character you meet, and after Dark Ruins, you don't meet him again unless you backtrack to Snowdin, where he fills the role of a common NPC. The other time you see him again is an epilogue. Axis had a thing going where he was built by Ceroba's late husband, but like Dalv, you only see him again when you backtrack and when you're watching the credits. Even as strangers to each other, the formation of dynamics could've been explored, but it wasn't. UTY did well, but there's room for improvement.
@@UlyssesK402 dalv was done so dirty man when i first saw him i thought that he'd be very important but he just gets shafted after the dark ruins lmao like he was right there in snowdin he and martlet couldve interacted axis yeah he wasn't even included in the epilogue :( i wish the game touched on his relationship with chujin and kanako more even tho ceroba is my favorite character i think some of her screentime could have been given to dalv or axis (like was it necessary for her to take over as the wild east boss?? starlo just gets shot??)
One of the things I like about Betty as an antagonist is that she is (I think) designed as someone you _can’t_ just befriend. As a spell, she’s like a machine in some way. Sure she feels emotions and maybe even doubts if you look hard enough, but ultimately nothing is gonna tear her away from that prime directive. It’s physically impossible for her to renounce that. That dichotomy between human-like behaviour and unnegotiable objective was very fascinating to see. In a way, it _is_ fitting for her to be taken down the way she was, but evidently something more was needed. Or maybe a lot more. I still haven’t watched the last episode. Apparently, I lost interest after she kicked the bucket.
So since everyone talks about Ocs I decided to share some fun Undertale Oc concepts. I wonder what Oc concepts you guys made 1: A golem like titan who basically serves as a former guard yet friend of the Dreemurr family. He was sort of a mentor and helper to Asriel Dreemurr yet was also suspicious and didn't trust Chara. Unfortunately, during the War because the monster sustain injuries the golem like titan was forced to rest and heal his wounds for years to come. You see this Monster Oc awakens once a year so sadly the creature cannot communicate with others. Overall he does care for monsterkind, but he is limited. He rests inside the Ruins due to Toriel making sure he is taken care of. 2: Two dragon like serpents together. Yes we have conjoined twins. Both of them are females. One of them is shy while the other one is loud. They are serpents that live in the Waterfall section. I don't have much lore on them but let's say they are huge fans of Mettaton and both have jobs. 3: A living shadow. They are found at Waterfall. A quiet yet socialable creature. Part of them loves meeting people and they get clingy too much. 4. A weed like Caterpillar. She is a bored and lazy creature. She is unaware of things and simply loves smoking and make smoke art. They have dealing with issues surrounding connection and love due to their pheromones making people daze. They also are a starving artist. 5. A bug like monster inspired by Kamen Rider. A cicada if you will. She has a sense of justice and wants to join the Royal Guard. But because she lacks discipline and is too young she decides to make a suit of machinery and becomes a masked Vigilante. Aka if Alphys went power of anime by her side. She is located at the hotel location. She is kind of a laughably a wanted criminal by the Royal Guards due to her accidentally making issues worse. So those are my Undertale Ocs. What's your guys?
4:19 this is actually why I created my fanfiction of an au where Dalv is a trainee of the Royal guard, being trained by Martlet, in this AU Martlet is not so featherbrained. The dark ruins are an abandoned place where monsters with an incurable disease roam, therefor the door is locked. Now I’m not going to ramble about the whole plot, but it does shine more light on Dalv’s character
hate is actually his own entity, surprisingly enough, in Glitchtale-we can see it in some of his reactions and how at the end he could have stabbed Chara but at the end he gave up recognizing something from himself in them and decided to let go, and after that there was another episode and the suggestion that the HATE being may have been the first ever DETERMINATION human and the maker of monsters-
Okay I hope this comment isn't gone because I spent my soul writing thid comment down. Sigh. So here is my RANT on why Betty Noire is the worst OC in UT and probably even OCs in general. I remembered when I used to love Glitchtale, until the controversy of Camilla Guevas ruined the lrgacy of Glitchtale. So when Season 2 dropped and when I saw Betty at first I enjoyed her...until we all know how Glitchtale failed as a story and Au. See Streamline Workshop's video essay but as a short summary Glitchtale failed worldbuilding wise, narrative wise and how it ruined what made the UT cast great. Alphys and Sans are gone for shock value while the latter temporarily returned all because fanservice, Undyne went from being the savior of monsterkind to coward, the drama between Toriel and Asgore is awful it made Toriel unlikeable, and Papyrus became Disbelief Papyrus even though Camilla despised that portrayal of Papyrus yet still did it. Go watch Inverted Fate for the best portrayals of Papyrus. Betty Noire was the biggest wasted potential for me because she could've been a great villain. Don't get me wrong she was threatening and terrifying enough that she eliminated half of the original UT Cast. She wasn't redeemable nor was she going to be nice and at least there was no Deus Ex Machina to redeem her. But I feel Betty Noire had some things off about her overall character. Here's the things I dislike her about: Being a human oc, being a creator's pet, and her overall impact in the story. Okay hear me out. The reason why I give monster ocs even if they may be uncreative with being a goat or skeleton, at least the creator tried to make their own Oc. But Human ocs in my opinion are hard to do in Undertale. Not only do we have no knowledge of humans in the Ut universe, we don't know if they are based on us or are they fantasy based. Plus we don't know if all humans share a soul trait nor do we ever see adults as official characters in Undertale. In my eyes I feel if you really want to make a human Oc, please don't retcon the lore of the six humans. We don't know the humans nor do we know how their civilization is like. In my opinion, human ocs are harder to do because humans aren't explored in Undertale. Plus monster designs are creative. So I don't know why people have an obssession of Ut human ocs if the former had interesting concepts. Betty doesn't make sense even if she was intended to be a doomsday weapon. We already have Frisk so why not have her be a monster or experiment gone rogue? Secondly, I feel it's obvious Betty felt like Camilla's Creator Pet. If you don't know, in Tv Tropes it's defined by how an author keeps on elevating a specific character it overshadows the cast. And in my opinion Betty definitely felt like Camilla's own self insert. I mean both of them love Pink I guess yet Camilla loves doing speedpaints on Betty a LOT. And she even aninated and inserted her Oc in a crossover against Interlopers an Au starring LISA's Buddy and Undertale's Chara. Of all characters it definitely inplies Camilla loved Betty a bit too much. And she also made a backstory on Betty as she is a catalyst on why monsters and humans cannot get along. In my eyes I feel Glitchtale took the focus away of monsters vs humans and revolved around Betty too much. As for the reason behind her twisted actions feels...unsatisfying. And by the gods is Betty's backstory kind of bad. The reason she existed is because Agate one of the defenders of humanity or something hated humans and monsters, because why not? We have no clear info on the Mages of GT and it's a bummer really. So on her last legs use Amber and the Bete Noire Spell and that created Bete Noire. I don't mind she was specifically made as a Doomsday weapon but I wished her backstory was done better. And what about Amber? Maybe we could've had Amber be Bete Noire as she struggles against HATE or maybe have Bete struggle if she's her own person or whatever is left of amber. Too bad that never happened again. And I feel Betty's legacy is tarnished because of Camilla's actions. I will not get into the full story, but Camilla didn't defend victims in her Discord server from a...yeah you get the picture. And it's a shame because while I dislike Betty, I pity she was made by a unpleasant creator in fact. Maybe she was a "good villain" at being threatening that is, but based on how she was defeated and got upstaged by HATE part of me feels Camilla didn't care about Betty anymore. Plus, Camilla is focusing on humans in her implied Season 3 of Glitchtale and it was ruined because we loved the UT Cast so focusing on humans isn't great. When Camilla wanted to focus on the humans I stopped watching nor did I watched the finale because Betty was wasted potential indeed. Also Jessica Grey is a better human OC and should've been a better antagonist for Season 2 of Glitchtale.
Underverse being focused on Sans isn't entirely it's fault, as like 99% of the good AU characters are Sans because people really liked Sans a lot. Which sadly leads to less variety in character designs. I think Underverse makes up for this however with how the different Sans are portrayed, none of them feel the same and have very unique personalities that distinguish them from one another pretty well, in my opinion of course.
@@zorlex9668 Fr & Underverse was being made back when the og Sans AUs were popular & there was very little to no other character AUs. Chara, Asgore, Alphys, Undyne, etc AUs barely even existed back then so it’s obviously not Jael / Jakei’s fault.
UNDERTALE YELLOW SPOILERS Out of all the UTY OCs, I think Starlo was the best written. He has the perfect amount of screentime: his section of the game and a couple of scenes afterwards. His relationships with Ceroba, the Feisty Four and even Martlet are all superbly done as well. He also owns every scene he's in with his humour and just has so much presence whenever he appears. When he said he occupies about 60% of someone's brain right after they meet him, that was certainly true for me. He also has his emotional moments as well, such as his Spare cutscene, his death scenes in Neutral and Genocide and killing Ceroba in the Pacifist route. Some people didn't like how he suddenly attacks you after he loses his friends on Pacifist/Neutral, but as we clearly see his impulsiveness in earlier scenes, it does make sense for him to suddenly blame everything on Clover without actually thinking through. I also don't think he was actively trying to KILL Clover either, rather capture them, but once again, his impulsiveness makes him more dangerous. You also see character development after this in the Pacifist route as he acts more responsibly, trying to protect Clover from Ceroba. The only thing I really had a problem with his that he brought a fake gun to the Dual in Genocide. He was perfectly willing to use an ACTUAL GUN when Clover wasn't even a threat, but he suddenly decides not to when ACTUAL LIVES are on the line? That just felt like the writers trying to shoehorn as much Ceroba screentime as they could. She already dominated the Pacifist ending, let my boy have his moment to shine! The Ceroba Genocide fight could be justified if he actually made an effort to defend himself. Give him a real gun and if he shoots you in the Dual, you die! No-one's going to complain because there's a SAVE point like TWO rooms before! Anyway, now that that''s off my chest, just wanted to show some love to the best UTY character.
I never really noticed the issue with Betty's hate design after the original final scene but damn I now get why I felt like something was off. She was shown with pink eyes a tentacle-esque design under her main body like a spider, long limbs, and a set of black tendril hair. It was practically perfect. But they just...made me hate this big guy. Tbh I would have preferred she transformed MANY times throughout the fight. Maybe every single change of magic giving her a diffrent look? ANYTHING but what we got. It made her...boring.
Out of topic of this great video for a bit but I kinda want your opinion on BossHim, the guy who made some Sans’ fangames, they are pretty well done tbh Sorry for this comment lol
Anyone remember Cereb battle against a think tank? I think he’s probably the most forgotten Undertale OC, he also comes from a unitale game similar to Red and also has like 10 different endings. If I had to pick Red and Koffin K are my favorites, Red was done dirty and got forgotten amongst the piles of alternate Sanses, good some people still remember her.
To be honest uty would have bee so much better without cerobra first of all they made for the worst final boss out of the 3 martlet was a hard final boss with the shooting mechanic it was the final challange and made full use of the dash and flowey final boss well i don't think i need to explain why that one is better. And also if not for cerobra we would have 100% got the starlo geno boss also pacifist ending would have releyed more on starlo and axsis likey. Over all i think cerobra was undertale yellows biggest flaw.
And also not only that If I could remember she also gr00m3d and s3x74lly harassed someone and there's a callout post on that in Twitter Oh boy what a strange coincidence when she defends literal gr00m3rs so much that she actually becomes one huh?
MARTLET AND CERBOA ARE HATED?! Why!! CERBOA IS THE MOST TRAGIC NON SANS CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE FANDOM!! And Martlet was such a sweetheart and I actually relate to her in a way. ;(
I disagree with bete honestly, it always just felt annoying whenever it was onscreen, bete RARELY won fights onscreen, and bete just got whooped by so many people, undyne, frisk, sans was even winning until the rhabdophobia, and probably WOULD have won if he didn't put all his remaining power into those blasters, or was warned about rhabdophobia first, and then obviously gaster, who basically just instakilled bete to the point where he made bete look like a fodder, and then the god awful plot armor bete gets, like the human and monster exterminator machine thing, like what the hell, why would specific wording matter, and even if it DID, bete was made FROM a human, is very SIMILAR to a human, and is basically a mirror to a human anyways, it SHOULD have killed bete, then against undyne and frisk bete only got away because plot demanded it
I don't understand why people would even complain about Martlet and Ceroba. They are pivotal to the story and the plot of the game. Martlet's actions literally directly affect our journey. She is tasked with sticking with us like a guardian, so it's kind of a dual protagonist kind of deal. In a sense, Martlet is a main character too. Ceroba's goal and purpose in the story would completely fall flat if she wasn't granted as much screentime as she did. If she showed up for as long as Dalv did, then her sudden appearance and fight wouldn't hit the same. Do people like... not understand how writing stories work? Keep focusing on important to the story characters and give lesser focus to characters that fulfilled their purpose already. When we meet Dalv, we make him move out and pursue his dream. Why would he even need to show up in the steamworks or the desert or the kingdom after that?
another cool video like last time, and on my birthday aswell! i really love ya as a youtuber, you give constructive criticism and back up your claims and thoughts, i bet you could do well with being a concept artist, or something like that, i love ya the way you are, you have even gotten me in some aus and famgames whom ive learned to love, and even if youre upset about something, just know you got ~315 likes today (as of checking this video), that means that youve made 315 people happy & content including me, and thats all ya need to keep going! obviously, i wont be there to check your other videos as i have boarding school, which has been draining my mental health, i hope the following days for ya get better, never give up, if ya need a break, take a break, thanks, based. (im gonna call ya like that from now!) sorry if i wasnt that participative in the comments earlier, im not the best person there is, ill check up on your dc, dont expect me to be active though, as boarding school still is a problem, and i probably hadn't mentioned some things, but i dont mind. farewell, pardner! ^v^
2:00 Tbh, I completely forgot that Glitchtale exists 'til I watched this video, my mind just erased any trace of that series due to the awful behaviour and allegations against Camila. And also, everybody can agree Betty is just wasted potential; she could have been more manipulative, calculator, ingenious with a meticulous planning on her strategy, mind games, mind control, attacks and tricks to leave no margin for error so that no one suspects her while driving the dumb humans and the innocent monsters into heated disputes to the point of making an unnecesary civil war caused by her actions, then taking advantage of the disturbances to make an effective genocide move while everybody is distracted, hiding and being in moments of weakness to accumulate power; she could have been a terrifying mastermind where she doesn't attack yet, but she's slowly bringing insecure, paranoia and 𝙁𝙀𝘼𝙍 doing atrocious shit to blame others and attracting chaos without anybody knowing it's her until it's too late without even using "the hate plot" (Which didn't matter at the end, cause HATE was defeated due to the power of friendship or sum bs giving the most anticlimatic feeling on the final fight of the series) but Camila opted for the idea of her being the main focus of the series ALL THE TIME, as a result, Betty's on screen almost every time and she became the generic powerful villain everybody should fear and no one could beat her except the protagonist, all of that without any build up in general.
Btw, in glitchtale lore vids, turns out that the hate person was a human once and he didn't killed chara and asriel bc he got flashbacked. So yea, hate is actually a spirit of some kind that can possess souls
Yk usually someone says oc and i think of self inserts Which are usually shit unless they're here for comedic effect So it's nice the good oc are real real good Even tho oc means original charachter so any charachter in a story technecly is one unless he's from a different story
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Koffin-K I don't hate him, and he has his funny moments, but I think in general he's kinda forced Like you're progressing smoothly along the plot and then he just comes out of nowhere and the game forces you into doing all those quests with him for a couple of hours, that's not really my cup of tea I would probably like him more if his section wasn't so sudden and long
i swear it went like sans fights chara and frisk dies in the process 😳 timeline resets 🫥 frisk meets gaster 🥱 chara suddenly reappears and becomes scary evil hate monster😱 chara gets beat up by gaster 😨 chara becomes nice 😇 monsters go to surface ☀️🌞 suddenly bête shows up 🤔 bête fucking demolishes a quarter and a half of the main cast 😨😱🫥 suddenly sans reincarnates with ‼️🥶 BLUE 🥶EYES 🥶‼️ and dies again straight away 😤 gaster beats the everloving shit out of bête 🫡 bête becomes scary evil hate monster 😐 bête gets beat up by the gaster 🥱 camilla gets caught and gets fucked over by the undertale community 😦🤮😵🤢🤧😵💫😭😭🥶
For me, Ceroba was a funny one. While her presenve in the story is overrepresented, at the final battle I grew to hate her so much that I decided to... that's right, I spared her. She deserved to live with all the consequences
So here is my take on Bette Noire. Because I am disappointed on Canon Bette Noire, why not I decide to give my rewrite Bette Noire. Because rewrites and redesigns are popular on UA-cam why not. What if Bette Noire was a glitch aka a glitch in the timeline that shouldn't exist. Instead of pinks and purples, her color is an inverted color of Orange and Yellow as a twisted foil to Frisk. Or have her have a glitchy color scheme in video games. So here is my take. I imagine Bette Noire should be akin to Death from Puss In Boots. She is not seen in the story but her presence makes the story terrifying when she appears. Jessica Grey will be the main antagonist of the series, because she fits the UT story where there's no good nor evil in Ut it's that good intentions equals things gone wrong. Plus she would be a perfect foil to Asgore and Toriel on the moral ambigious actions of saving your children or for your own grief. Bette Noire is a glitch in the timeline manifested where she herself targets Frisk alone. Unlike in the canon series, it plays as a twisted version of The Boy Who Cried Wolf as I believe Noire being a horror villain would've made Glitchtale better. Because GT Frisk viewed the timelines as a game so they resetted so many times they did the No Mercy route. In this timeline they promise to not reset again, Bette Noire represents a twisted version of Frisk or what Frisk is trying to hide. An enjoyment of violence and fear and hatred. They start attacking subtle monsters that the whole Underground slowly believes Frisk is the one who did it. Frisk tries to defend themselves but they struggle. Meanwhile Jessica misinterprets Frisk helping her end monsterkind, so Frisk ends up being kidnapped by her and misunderstanding and drama ensues. There is no necessary humans as we need smaller cast. In this story GT Frisk has to realize they need to prove they changed or otherwise this sentinent glitch will force them to reset the timeline again. As for Bette, I will not include Kumu or the HATE being in this story. Rather she represents the living embodiment against Determination....Fear.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Oh boy. I hated that decision. I mean I didn't mind it at first, but looking back at it Frisk just became completly forgotten. Without Frisk, their story arc was pointless in the end. They are the reason why Glitchtale Season 1 existed and being responsible for the timelines. Frisk shouldn't have been replaced because Chara's arc was completed. It feels a bit frustrating because Frisk became so unlikeable that I wished Frisk got one last chance to defeat Bette Noire. It just never happened and I still feel Chara shouldn't return to the story.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Oh boy. I hated that decision. I mean I didn't mind it at first, but looking back at it Frisk just became completly forgotten. Without Frisk, their story arc was pointless in the end. They are the reason why Glitchtale Season 1 existed and being responsible for the timelines. Frisk shouldn't have been replaced because Chara's arc was completed. It feels a bit frustrating because Frisk became so unlikeable that I wished Frisk got one last chance to defeat Bette Noire. It just never happened and I still feel Chara shouldn't return to the story.
As a massive fan of glitchtale and Betty, I kinda agree. I don’t hate “hate” but it had too little screen time. It had only one episode and that’s it. Honestly there should’ve been more episodes to establish hate as a threat and also give it a personality and show how it’s 10x more evil and dangerous than Betty. I love glitchtale and it’s my favorite undertale au but no au is perfect and that’s a perfect example.
Oh right I always forget my discord! discord.com/invite/yquVZXwR
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I liked to think of the making of koffin k to be like
guy1: we need to make a oc as random as the original undertale characters so quickly what’s the first thing your thinking of?
guy2: uhhh hat! wait no I don’t thin-
Guy1: perfect idea let’s make him a freaking hat!
Thwy realy said lets make batman the villan and joker the hero
gun hat, look you've got a buddy !
@@emanuel585makes sense.
I think the problem with Betty is that she had potential, but then just became a mary sue & her motivation changes out of nowhere.
Not only that, but she could have been a more manipulative character that could have tricked humans into being against monsters again (which would fit with her initial motivations as well).
me when the single character with the fear trait uses the fear of monsters as a motivation (something they transferred to JESSICA for no reason)
I’m pretty sure she killed more humans then monsters in glitchtale lol
@@Mike0445 “I’ll ensure humans & monsters can’t coexist imma wipe out the monsters”
- Never tries to manipulate humans against monsters.
- Used the kumus instead to attack humans for souls to get stronger, but it’s barely ever shown how she gets stronger from this.
- Runs away like 3 times
- Kills a ton of humans, their motivation changes randomly halfway through the season, & ONLY PERMA KILLS 2 MONSTERS (Sans & Alphys)
Bro imagine if the true Betty was fighting for control, like cause of this sans doesn’t die
But no it’s glitchtale
Definitely agree on the manipulation part. Could have had more of a mystery element to all of it.
But Camila wanted to make a fighting series at the end of the day. Though she could have potentially spent another episode (or more?) on the manipulation aspect, that’s not really what she was looking to do, I guess.
Understandable, but still unfortunate.
I like undertale yellow, becuase a easy option is using more popular chacters, use places more familiar, and using more fanservice. But decide using orignial characters, orignial palces, and original songs, and can respect this decision.
Absolutely agree
That’s bold decision to have that kind of confidence in your own work
at first i was really bored and hoping to see my fav undertale characters but then i realized i was sounding like flowey, who was constantly telling clover to "not forget the mission" of getting to asgore and dying. the game rlly plays mind tricks on you and i respect it a lot for that
@@thunder2275 just like the original for real in that respect
I love how Koffin K does absolutely nothing nor he appears more than once if your on a geno route
Smartest monster
glitchtale ptsd 💀
It won't bite u. It's just bad.
It won't bite, just makes you have an existential crisis. @@someonehere9778
It gave white damage just by looking at it. @@someonehere9778
@@someonehere9778 but it will scar you for life.
And the moment you look into the creator, you’ll be even more deeply scarred.
And so Koffin K looked at the defeated fraud, Betty Noire, Queen of Hatred, and said “Stand proud Betty, you were a good OC.” Betty then dies 🔥✍️
On a more serious note I wouldn’t mind if people utilized Betty in a villain role more. They were lowkey pretty cool to watch. Just ignore the creator (though that’s arguably pretty hard)
Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong
-Jogoat
Wait
Queen of hatred?
PROJECT MOON SLEEPER AGENT ACTIVATED
Queen of Hatred?
Lobotomy Corporation and Library of ruina PTSD.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up Cereb, another classic. He had an interesting fight, valid motives, and a simplistic yet uncanny design.
HE was the only monster (that I know) that understands WHO the human IS. It's a player, who doesn't fear consequences, and instead adopts them as challenges. He fully understands this, and stops caring as he KNOWS there's no consequences as the human will reset and pick the best outcome regardless.
You can even do the pacifist ending after the "challenge" ending and he'll THANK you for allowing him to understand things that would be beyond his normal comprehension.
Unlike SOME -mistakes- edgy OCs, he doesn't turn into "the avenger of monsterkind" or whatever because you start killing. He comprehends it, but instead of trying to stop you, he tries to understand WHY, and use all knowledge he has to help whoever he can, however he can.
He doesn't really have any "emotional moments" but he's someone who I think fits spot-on in the Undertale cast.
Give my boy Cereb the respect he deserves, dammit!
Oh, that brain guy, I kinda forgot that guy existed.
Is he that giant brain thing made a few years back? If so, yeah his fight and story were super cool
The fact that his boss fight can end in so many unique ways is incredible to the development of a potential Gaster rival in terms of scientific prowess.
Wow it's neat finding a video 18 seconds after release. Excited for the disbelief video when it happens
I found this video In 0 seconds after release and 0 views aswell
(boy I’m uhh lucky I think)
Glitchtale is the reason why most people misunderstood about Chara being the one who cause genocide but in reality is just you.
Wrong, glitchtale caused nothing
Except Glitchtale pretty blatantly explained that it's ultimately Frisk's fault (with Frisk being used as a stand-in for the player)
But that was later on
that is literally like not even the reason people think that bro ☠fuck you talkin bout, thats cuz people misinterpret chara's little monologue at the end of genocide and spooky jumpscare and slash that end your save file + the times frisk moves on their own during like snowdin and stuff (which ppl interpret as getting possessed).
@@thomasthecoolkid7228fr. People just want to blame Glitchtale because they don't like it.
Glitchtale has had an impact on the UT community whether you like it or not. There's a reason why Chara sometimes has a black goo face and maybe some red weapons in some fanmade content.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Nah, its beacuse they are like that in the actual game
Chara had a gooey face in the jump scare scene in the ending of the no mercy route, which inspired hate in the first place. Weapons being red likely also existed before Glitchtale popularized it. I mean, human magic being the same color as their souls make sense, since they only have magic in their souls.
@@JacksonVoet In what AUs SOUL colored weapons appeared in?
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Undertale Green, for one. Besides, even if she had any impact, it will not preserve her name here in any way besides being a defender of a predator. It’s best we forget about her, lest she hurt this community further.
@@JacksonVoet I did this comment for a while, but how Frisk being possessed by the player (and their variants in Underverse's case) would improve the stories of Glitchtale and Underverse.
Fun fact: at koffin keep, flowey will ask you if it is worth being Koffin's lackey, and one of the dialogue options is that "he is so worth it", in which flowey calls them out, but will keep it a secret
He is so worth it
God, it feels so weird seeing someone (who isn't reacting to Glitchtale live) genuinely like Betty as a character and a villain. Public consensus nowadays seems to be hating absolutely everything about Glitchtale, including the good parts, so this is genuinely a breath of fresh air for me. Doesn't hurt that _I_ still like Glitchtale regardless of any controversy, with UnderVow (my "main" Undertale AU/AT story that I should _really_ get back to season 2 of) being heavily inspired by both it _and_ Dusttale.
It’s because of the amount of people realizing how bad the writing of Glitchtale actually (Betty’s whole character, HATE, how Cami portrayed Undyne, Asgore, Chara, etc) is the moment you analyze what’s actually going on + Camila’s past leaked plans for the Glitchtale cancelled prequel definitely does not help with the whole Glitchtale is bad argument.
@@purpledshadow Don’t forget alphys
@@purpledshadow
Nonetheless, it had some interesting ideas and concepts that are worth exploring.
And in the Undertale community, there’s sure to be some people who’ll experiment with that.
On Ao3, there’s a story called _Glitchtale Rewrite_ by That_One_Aaron_1. It uses some ideas from Glitchtale mixed with new ones, and takes them in a different direction. It probably won’t be finished, but what’s there is honestly worth your time.
the only Issue I personally have with Koffin K is not even about him as a character, but how I feel like the amount of sceeen-time he gets and the way he gets it, damage the later crossbones parts. you end up spending so much time with him in the second half of starlight isles , that Crossbones no longer feels deserving of being the section boss and the skeletal showdown feels more like an aftermath than anything. If the time chara spends with Crossbones and Koffin K was a bit more spread out in between each other, instead of there being a half of the area half-focused on one (crossbones) and a second half focused on the other (Koffin K) ,theere might've been a better balance between the two .
You should make a video talking about the many Undertale Animated Series or just animated videos in general. There are a lot of them and I’d like to see what you think about them.
Underverse is better than glitchtale
Fr
Now for Part 2 of Undertale OC retrospective
Ts! Underswap: I believe Harry and Larry and Koffing are my favorite. Harry and Larry are the most fun characters. They remind me of my favorite trope, a duo of unthreatening sidekicks and they are funny for me. They are kind of a mix of Harry and Marv from Home Alone mixed with Pizza Tower mixed with Wario and Waluigi mixed with rats. They're so hilarious and their No Mercy fight is definitely the saddest and most terrifying boss fights. For me TS Underswap's Ruthless Route is terrifying because of how personal it was. Not only did we ruin the bond between Harry and Larry, we LITERALLY use an ACT action to make them unable to do anything to save each other. They're goofy villains like Team Rocket and I don't want to ruin that bond they have. Sorry I'm such a sucker for goofy baddies and some that aren't great at being evil. Or those who try too hard to be evil. And speaking of Koffing.
Koffing is definitely the best. I love their design, and their design is the most creative I've seen.The trenchcoat, the yellow eyes, the brillance of color wheel such as oranges, red and yellows. He's the best. He reminds me of villains like Doctor Doofensmirtz and Megamind. He's just a lonenly guy and I love how he is doing the hammy bad guy just to roleplay against Crossbones aka Sans. Love how Koffin K was the most hilarious Oc and they didn't need to be an intimidating Oc like Red or a tragic Oc like Ceroba. Still love Koffin K and his crew. And now for Part 3 and my analysis of sigh...Betty Noire.
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why do you call koffin k like the purple ball pokemon
Undertale yellow musical just dropped,I take it all back I love all of uty
where did the kids go?
I WAS BORN TO BLAAAST 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
@@k41xo_kaixpacifist i'm armed with hugs 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
oh no....
Remembering the pacifists and vengeance
I also got my expectations lowered a lot in UTY after knowing the cast would be completely original, when the demo came out I didn't like it that much so I never played it... until the full game came out, after trying it I see that the characters are actually really good! maybe not the best but good overall.
good video as always based.
The commiting crimes guy from ts swap is one of the most well designed and greatest characters ever
One thing I wanna say about uty is that it very much feels like in Geno, Starlo just dies to justify that Ceroba fight. Like fridging but the genders are swapped. He was willing to tie us up during his fight in Pacifist just to get his friend group back, but in Geno he suddenly wants an honorable duel when the lives of all monsterkind are at stake? Come on. If you want to use the mechanic, have it lead into an actual fight once you win the standoff.
Edit: Have it be bait! Have him lure you into a duel so you stand still (or move in a predictable way) and are wholly focused on him, only for Ceroba to dive at you and lead into a duo fight. There, you can have it both ways. Starlo drops his tough guy facade and collaborates with Ceroba in their time of need, forcing character development in a time of urgency. Could even have a branching second phase depending on who you focus first (saw a concept where Starlo destroys your Fight button)
THE AMOUNT OF ABSOLUTELY LOVE I HAVE TOWARDS KOFFIN K PHYSICALLY CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED. I enjoyed finded out that almost everyone here shares my opinion xD
Undertale aus that have ocs are an honest guilty pleasure of mine, I absolutely adore seeing people's fan ocs featured in their respective aus if handled correctly.
TS!Underswap and Undertale Yellow are perfect examples of au ocs that are absolutely peak! Both aus have ocs that feel like they were created by Toby fox and have all of the charm his undertale characters have!
Martlet is my spirit animal and must be protected, Starlo is such a rad guy! Koffin-K is an absolute blast of a villain and his goons Harry and Larry are so much fun!
Then you have aus that handles their ocs kinda poorly (cough cough OG glitchtale)
Put a gun to my head and the only ocs in glitchtale I know about and kinda care a small bit about are Bete Noire and Jessica, but even then I don't really care for Jessica, and the original Betty is executed horribly, don't get me wrong, a demon that feeds off hate and fear is a really cool idea, but Betty ain't it chief.
I hate to admit that my main au oc was inspired a bit by Betty in the au, just a lot more Mary Sue 😭
I have since grown up and have worked on this OC as well as have pals improve his character to be more interesting and unique as a pose to "Betty but top hat" and I do have plans to use him in other projects unrelated to undertale because it's part of his character to travel and learn while also altering stuff in his own way as a fun experiment.
All and all, ocs in aus if done well can be just as recognizable and lovable as some of the original cast!
(TS! Underswap shark NPC my beloved!)
You sounded like a fun person to me! :D
(As an compliment btw)
idk why no one talks about the fact frisk just destroys some random dudes car (to save a single child)
The car was an illusion created by Betty.
But you're right. If that was a real car, Frisk probably would have killed a family of four just to save Betty, which is funny to think about
Now thats a simp if i ever see one @@keegandaurity304
I mean... I don't think UTY's cast being separate is inherently a problem. It just makes the world feel more separated, which isn't inherently bad. Or maybe I'm wrong, idk. Also, I agree with your position on Kount Koffin K. In fact, I actually believe he is the best character in all of fiction, but that's just me.
Nice video! I agree with the TS!US points, and there’s more major OCs as well like the Ruined Knights and Sgt Splosion that are being setup well.
Great vid!! I don’t really like Betê Noire as a character just because how she not only is a Mary Sue but she as a character destroys the narrative Glitchtale sets up (love overcoming hate when love had no part in her defeat), but I get why people would like her! Other than that I agree with most of your opinions :)) (also Koffin K my beloved)
I think a problem is that most people seem content in just changing what's already there rather than create something new. I'm guilty of that too, most of my own ideas are just "Deltatraveler but with Berdly, more obscure video game worlds and Marisa from Undertale 2" or "RPGMaker characters in an Undertale-like game" (I really love RPGMaker games). I really love seeing creative ideas and characters here, TS!Underswap, as you've said, being a huge highlight of that. But yeah, Axis and Dalv got done dirty
I am curious to what those "obscure video game worlds" are?
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Games like Brandish, Dragon Quest, Moon, Off, and the like.
One of my favorite OC's in community is Petaly (yeah I know he is from deltarune but still...) I liked him alot when I saw for the first time and when I read about his story more I genuine started to love him, his whole stick is very good, and I think it fit the whole thing that the secreat bosses are as far we know, and I believe his probably best secret boss prediction
PETALY MENTIONED HE’S AWESOME
Who the heck is petaly
Looks like a generic spamton parody, dude, idk
@@Oleja2008 Yeah and I really don't like him looking similar to Flowey
@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 that's the point. He is a bastardization of Flowey who combines deltarune theories, like the secret boss being the toriel discarded flowers friends inside me
@@Oleja2008 ok, so tell me every similar thing that makes you think Petaly is a "Spamton rip-off" because he has absolutely nothing similar to spamton
Honestly, thing I want to mention.
If you somehow want to OC as any villian, try to give them motivation and making some kind of way to threath a main cast or character. Its like if fannon wrote neutral ending where asgore beat ^€@# of a flowey when he trys to land a last hit or sans in pacifist just uses gaster blaster or something, that would make it a really boring ending. My point is making a villian that is weaker that main cast, its just horryble villian.
Making good motivation for a villian and fitting in the story can also make a horryble or boring character. Flowey for example (Undertale Yellow) allready had a good motivation of trying to get five souls, and trys to abuse Clover by that friendly persona, becase otherwise that wouldn't be possble with "little help". Its briliant how well flowey sometimes written is, and it kinda serves on how to make a good villian. It dosen't really matter what personality he have, as long you know how to write him correctly, like fr your villian can have personality of a donald trump, and it could work if you know how and why he is evil.
Hope that helped(it did not)
That's what I think is the problem with Betty in Glitchtale. She starts off good: she's got clear-cut motivations, an actual personality (besides just MURDER MURDER MURDER) and serves as a genuine threat to the cast. But I think later on in the series (right about when she did the fusion dance with Akumu) is when she started to lose all of that.
Her actions no longer line up with her whole "kill all monsters because I am racist" motivations because she starts targeting the human characters way more. She loses her personality quite a lot (earlier on in the series it felt like she had some humanity in her and could maybe even be redeemed), and even though she can still kill people, most of the "important" monsters are revived anyways. (Except for alphys and mettaton because Camila can't write characters who can't fight)
All in all, Betty had potential, and could probably be a pretty good Undertale fan OC all things considered. But unfortunately, she suffers the curse of being in Glitchtale. Alas...
Oh and don't even get me STARTED on her backstory
@@keegandaurity304 I kinda agree, for me she is just boring and weak villian, it might be one of the worst tbh
Ah Undertale Ocs so here are my overall thoughts on them and I'll save one happy RANT (that's not happy at all) on a specific Undertale original character that grinds my gears. This is Part 1 of my Undertale Oc analysis. Also thanks YT for taking down one of my comments...
Red: Probably the first Undertale fanmade oc that kickstarted fanmade battle mods. Like Witty from Friday Night Funkin kickstarting the fanmade mods. Or Candy The Cat kickstarting FNAF mods. You know I enjoyed Red at first, but in all honesty looking back on her I feel kind of neutral on her. I am not saying Red's design was bad and her fanmade fight is one of the best fanmade boss fights the UT fandom has ever made. Her red riding hood design is unique that contrasts her from Darkstalker's BB Hood and the infamous web series RWBY's Ruby Rose. And I love how she is actually a ghost possessing a mannequin and her boss fight was cleverly designed like her slicing through the battlefield and targeting you through slashes. Not only can you properly avoid the slashes, the box is sliced through making you forced to find better options.
Also Red catched the stick hehehehehe I love that meta joke to this day. And I like how Red isn't edgy, she's just someone struggling with humans because she became a Royal Guard for her late parents that sadly passed away from the war against humans and monsters. The dev Taxiderby who made her did a great job and Toby impressed by their work lend Taxiderby a job as one of the Deltarune devs.
The issue I have with Red and the mod as a whole is that well...I honestly feel Red may have unintentionally kickstarted a trend of ocs wanting to kick your butt rather than a monster you want to befriend. I do not blame Taxidermy at fault for this, Red is a fun oc and she does have flaws such as her frustrations with humans and is a fun mix of a genki tsundere. When you defeated her in the Pacifist route while she is still resents humans she realizes that the person counts and not the majority. Fun moral lesson modern world sadly forgotten these days. Though I feel her moveset may have sadly inspired the hard Undertale fanmade mod fights. Especially Sans...sigh. Not every Undertale monster is a fighter, there's a reason why we don't have a Alphys fight in the No Mercy route. The monsters in UT are mostly caring creatures, keyword mostly because we have Dummy and Jerry. Red is a fine oc don't get me wrong yet other than that I feel the only reason why people love her us because of her fight. I don't despise her but I do feel her mod is the reason why we have the infamous Get Good UT mods.
UTY: Undertale Yellow. I feel this is one of the best fanmade Undertale mods. Not only did we get to play one of the lost child souls before they were gone, but we have a new cast in general. I am happy with the end result and I enjoyed the UTY cast. But yes like you said it's true some cast members overshadowed some from their full potential. I remembered and enjoyed most of the cast such as Dalv or Axis, but I cannot remember the Feisty Four, El Baliador or Guardener not because they were forgettable nor bad characters. They just didn't hit the iconic status Monster Kid, Mettaton, Muffet or other supporting monsters had.
Out of the original main three of the UTY cast, Starlo sadly gets the short end of the stick which is a bummer man because he's a fun geek who loved the wild west. He is a caring guy who cares for his fellow monsters and takes his role seriously. He's one of my favorites anf I feel him not having a proper No Mercy Route Fight was the biggest wasted potentials UTY mafe. Unfortunately, we don't see much on him in contrast to Martlet and Ceroboa who yes I will admit may have overstayed their welcome. Originally, I wished the Undertale Monsters in the original get to stay with you but I realized if one of them overshadows the cast it makes the game feel unrewarding on that specific character. No wonder why we have the UT phone calls because it is better to have fun dialogue and also the Date options aren't just for the sake of being goofy. It's getting to know the characters and I wish UTY had those fun yet heartwarming options. Like Alphys confessing her love for Undyne. Or Papyrus' funny time with a date and Sans giving a warning sign should you break his promise to Toriel.
Now let's review Martlet and Ceroba the most contorversial UTY characters. Let's talk about Martlet because I enjoyed Martlet. She was like your best friend or mom I guess I would go for the former and is loyal to you. She does remind me of Papyrus but I enjoyed that even though she is caring she is still a Royal Guard member. So yes I do love her in the final boss fight as Zenith Martlet and she was HER during her boss fight. In the No Mercy route, realizing your sense of justice will threaten Monsterkind she defends her fellow monsters and risks her life despite Chujin's medicine about to overexert herself. I cried when she was pleading to be saved but I enjoyed her during the Pacifistic Route too as she was your supportive friend. She tries her hardest to defend you and I love how even if she's scatterbrained she still has a heart of gold, and I enjoyed she will always be your friend in the Neutral Route unless you commit to the No Mercy route.
Now for Ceroba...gosh darn it I pity this Kitsune. Say what you will about how her storyline was executed, but I heavily relate to Ceroboa because she reminded me of myself and lost chances. Sure she was an idiot but she didn't know her actions caused the demise of Kanako her daughter. She was too busy focusing on something that she lost the moment it hit her. I don't want too personal, but I had to deal with the loss of my relatives and my grandma is grieving the loss of her son. It's hard because you don't realize something will vanish until it's too late. I do ferl UTY made Ceroba too angsty and yes I wished we could've had more insight into the Chujin Family and her childhood friendship with Starlo. But I feel bad for her and part of me hopes Ceroba can move on. I do feel she is a decent character based on your opinions and beliefs if she is good or not.
Now for my favorite UTY character. Clover is my favorite in UTY. They strive for justice but in the end they're just a kid who has a heart of gold. Love how he's more interactive unlike Frisk because we're playing the role of the Fallen Children. Their arc of accepting their fate was one of the saddest yet beuatiful endings in a fangame I've seen. I enjoyed how Clover can also be reactive like how their level increased because of Axis. In my eyes, Clover is the best fanmade human and they deserve better. Hope they could reunite with the UTY cast since its implief the souls get to return back to their normal lives but that's a whole nother story or I'm misremembering the aftermath of UT's pacifist route.
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Yay
Good review much appreciated
Im agree with everithing
I just love ts underswap by how they actually make effort into making an original fangame, instead of re-using assets from undertale, and for a great example: characters.
Koffin K is underrated
True
Definitely couldn’t make a video like this without mentioning Red. Good job on that. 👍
Betty's conclusion is non-existent. They decided to start that conflict of humans and monsters starting war again, but then kinda forgot about it*insert susie forgot sticker here*. She died like a damn cockroach, even without conclusion we forget there should be one because, well, the conflict that is one of necessary things for conclusion to happen got, like, fucking lost somewhere. Characters spent all this time in second season yelling at each other and dying, and Betty just existed there as some abstract force, "BoOooO I hAve ScaRy fAce!!1! I'm noW a MaiN vIllaiN!!1". Her last fight is hundreds of times more boring than with Mettaton NEO because she just received punches in the end while killing off that Sans I started to hate. And final fight against Hate is a concentrated piece of bs, because it's made to show off how Camila improved at animation, but the fight itself is cringe, with this final transformation of Asriel appearing like Deus Ex Machina to save the day and... ME NOT CARING ABOUT HATE BECAUSE 99% OF SPOOKY-VILLAINY TIME WAS GRANTED TO BETTY.
Generally, Glitchtale Season 2 can compete with first season only because of better animation and the existence of other characters when main depressed child isn't in scene. And, like, a lot of stuff is from Undertale, we saw that conflict of Asgore and Toriel, we saw that strong urge of Alphys to stop being a coward and Undyne stopping bad child with ballet shoes/scythe from murdering everything in existence. The best way you can enjoy it is take scenes that include fighting and skip over others.
Glitchtale had me tweaking on that in and out shit the whole series
Should be noted that every yellow main character are connected but they don’t realise it: they’re all connected to Chujin Ketsukane, and realise revelations regarding each other from knowing him. So there’s that.
I also think that due to Axis importance in all 3 different routes that he midigates the “screen time” issue.
As much i love Koffin, Martlet (for me) is slighty best, and idk why :(
Help me da birb has entered my mind :((((
no ur wrong
Red is the best oc imo, but underswap did them also really well. My problem with the characters in undertale yellow and glitchtale is that they are way too serious!
Oh wow thanka basedguy for making a video about tsunderswap. The same game that i play YESTERDAY. seriously this is my lucky day
Again based👍
Also check a joke:
Betty before: Glitchtale most famous antagonist
Betty now: Dust Sans gf
Wait people ship betty with dust sans? WHY? betty literally killed her sans twice AND is literally canonically supposed to have the goal to hate all monsters and NEVER let humans and monsters live in peace and harmony and to kill all monsters not to mention both canon and fanon dust sans shouldn't like betty either ESPECIALLY canon dust sans both of them already hate frisk and chara technically already and betty basically does the same shit that dust sans in general would hate betty for killing another version of him and for trying to kill his friends and brother and for also taking away his other selfs happy ending as that is quite literally the MOTIVATION for both canon and fanon dust sans is wanting himself and his friends and his people to be able to live in peace without being endlessly slaughtered over and over again even if fanon dust deviates stupidly from that goal by for whatever reason joining nightmares crew that ship entirely would work at all god its like the stupid kustard and dustberry ships all over again with illogical dumb ships that are completely incompatible with the two characters that are being shipped together
Bruh this fandom
@@georgiepig5726 fanon Dust team up with Insanity, Nightmare and Killer, i think that enough to explain.
@@georgiepig5726No one ships Betty & Dust at all. The og commenter is just straight up lying & is probably the only person that ships them.
koffin k the goat
anyways yeah i agree with your point of the uty chars having little to no dynamics with each other i wish martlet and ceroba had more interactions (we had ceroba breaking her out of prison but still) i want my girls
(also martlet's hated?? damn)
@@bread984 People say she's a Papyrus rip off
@@bread984I did not know that either 😭, I guess people just found her annoying??? I don't really know.
(ALSO COUNT K K MY BELOVED)
Dalv is the first character you meet, and after Dark Ruins, you don't meet him again unless you backtrack to Snowdin, where he fills the role of a common NPC. The other time you see him again is an epilogue.
Axis had a thing going where he was built by Ceroba's late husband, but like Dalv, you only see him again when you backtrack and when you're watching the credits.
Even as strangers to each other, the formation of dynamics could've been explored, but it wasn't.
UTY did well, but there's room for improvement.
@@UlyssesK402 dalv was done so dirty man when i first saw him i thought that he'd be very important but he just gets shafted after the dark ruins lmao like he was right there in snowdin he and martlet couldve interacted
axis yeah he wasn't even included in the epilogue :( i wish the game touched on his relationship with chujin and kanako more
even tho ceroba is my favorite character i think some of her screentime could have been given to dalv or axis (like was it necessary for her to take over as the wild east boss?? starlo just gets shot??)
One of the things I like about Betty as an antagonist is that she is (I think) designed as someone you _can’t_ just befriend.
As a spell, she’s like a machine in some way. Sure she feels emotions and maybe even doubts if you look hard enough, but ultimately nothing is gonna tear her away from that prime directive. It’s physically impossible for her to renounce that.
That dichotomy between human-like behaviour and unnegotiable objective was very fascinating to see.
In a way, it _is_ fitting for her to be taken down the way she was, but evidently something more was needed. Or maybe a lot more.
I still haven’t watched the last episode. Apparently, I lost interest after she kicked the bucket.
So since everyone talks about Ocs I decided to share some fun Undertale Oc concepts. I wonder what Oc concepts you guys made
1: A golem like titan who basically serves as a former guard yet friend of the Dreemurr family. He was sort of a mentor and helper to Asriel Dreemurr yet was also suspicious and didn't trust Chara. Unfortunately, during the War because the monster sustain injuries the golem like titan was forced to rest and heal his wounds for years to come. You see this Monster Oc awakens once a year so sadly the creature cannot communicate with others. Overall he does care for monsterkind, but he is limited. He rests inside the Ruins due to Toriel making sure he is taken care of.
2: Two dragon like serpents together. Yes we have conjoined twins. Both of them are females. One of them is shy while the other one is loud. They are serpents that live in the Waterfall section. I don't have much lore on them but let's say they are huge fans of Mettaton and both have jobs.
3: A living shadow. They are found at Waterfall. A quiet yet socialable creature. Part of them loves meeting people and they get clingy too much.
4. A weed like Caterpillar. She is a bored and lazy creature. She is unaware of things and simply loves smoking and make smoke art. They have dealing with issues surrounding connection and love due to their pheromones making people daze. They also are a starving artist.
5. A bug like monster inspired by Kamen Rider. A cicada if you will. She has a sense of justice and wants to join the Royal Guard. But because she lacks discipline and is too young she decides to make a suit of machinery and becomes a masked Vigilante. Aka if Alphys went power of anime by her side. She is located at the hotel location. She is kind of a laughably a wanted criminal by the Royal Guards due to her accidentally making issues worse.
So those are my Undertale Ocs. What's your guys?
4:19 this is actually why I created my fanfiction of an au where Dalv is a trainee of the Royal guard, being trained by Martlet, in this AU Martlet is not so featherbrained. The dark ruins are an abandoned place where monsters with an incurable disease roam, therefor the door is locked. Now I’m not going to ramble about the whole plot, but it does shine more light on Dalv’s character
4:31 How Martlet is hated? I tought everyone love her.
Not everyone loves the bird that is, in some cutscenes just plain annoying.
this fight was quite entertaining, but hearing betes painful screams at the end is just, traumatizing.
hate is actually his own entity, surprisingly enough, in Glitchtale-we can see it in some of his reactions and how at the end he could have stabbed Chara but at the end he gave up recognizing something from himself in them and decided to let go, and after that there was another episode and the suggestion that the HATE being may have been the first ever DETERMINATION human and the maker of monsters-
Okay I hope this comment isn't gone because I spent my soul writing thid comment down. Sigh.
So here is my RANT on why Betty Noire is the worst OC in UT and probably even OCs in general. I remembered when I used to love Glitchtale, until the controversy of Camilla Guevas ruined the lrgacy of Glitchtale. So when Season 2 dropped and when I saw Betty at first I enjoyed her...until we all know how Glitchtale failed as a story and Au. See Streamline Workshop's video essay but as a short summary Glitchtale failed worldbuilding wise, narrative wise and how it ruined what made the UT cast great. Alphys and Sans are gone for shock value while the latter temporarily returned all because fanservice, Undyne went from being the savior of monsterkind to coward, the drama between Toriel and Asgore is awful it made Toriel unlikeable, and Papyrus became Disbelief Papyrus even though Camilla despised that portrayal of Papyrus yet still did it. Go watch Inverted Fate for the best portrayals of Papyrus.
Betty Noire was the biggest wasted potential for me because she could've been a great villain. Don't get me wrong she was threatening and terrifying enough that she eliminated half of the original UT Cast. She wasn't redeemable nor was she going to be nice and at least there was no Deus Ex Machina to redeem her. But I feel Betty Noire had some things off about her overall character. Here's the things I dislike her about: Being a human oc, being a creator's pet, and her overall impact in the story.
Okay hear me out. The reason why I give monster ocs even if they may be uncreative with being a goat or skeleton, at least the creator tried to make their own Oc. But Human ocs in my opinion are hard to do in Undertale. Not only do we have no knowledge of humans in the Ut universe, we don't know if they are based on us or are they fantasy based. Plus we don't know if all humans share a soul trait nor do we ever see adults as official characters in Undertale. In my eyes I feel if you really want to make a human Oc, please don't retcon the lore of the six humans. We don't know the humans nor do we know how their civilization is like. In my opinion, human ocs are harder to do because humans aren't explored in Undertale. Plus monster designs are creative. So I don't know why people have an obssession of Ut human ocs if the former had interesting concepts. Betty doesn't make sense even if she was intended to be a doomsday weapon. We already have Frisk so why not have her be a monster or experiment gone rogue?
Secondly, I feel it's obvious Betty felt like Camilla's Creator Pet. If you don't know, in Tv Tropes it's defined by how an author keeps on elevating a specific character it overshadows the cast. And in my opinion Betty definitely felt like Camilla's own self insert. I mean both of them love Pink I guess yet Camilla loves doing speedpaints on Betty a LOT. And she even aninated and inserted her Oc in a crossover against Interlopers an Au starring LISA's Buddy and Undertale's Chara. Of all characters it definitely inplies Camilla loved Betty a bit too much. And she also made a backstory on Betty as she is a catalyst on why monsters and humans cannot get along. In my eyes I feel Glitchtale took the focus away of monsters vs humans and revolved around Betty too much. As for the reason behind her twisted actions feels...unsatisfying.
And by the gods is Betty's backstory kind of bad. The reason she existed is because Agate one of the defenders of humanity or something hated humans and monsters, because why not? We have no clear info on the Mages of GT and it's a bummer really. So on her last legs use Amber and the Bete Noire Spell and that created Bete Noire. I don't mind she was specifically made as a Doomsday weapon but I wished her backstory was done better. And what about Amber? Maybe we could've had Amber be Bete Noire as she struggles against HATE or maybe have Bete struggle if she's her own person or whatever is left of amber. Too bad that never happened again.
And I feel Betty's legacy is tarnished because of Camilla's actions. I will not get into the full story, but Camilla didn't defend victims in her Discord server from a...yeah you get the picture. And it's a shame because while I dislike Betty, I pity she was made by a unpleasant creator in fact. Maybe she was a "good villain" at being threatening that is, but based on how she was defeated and got upstaged by HATE part of me feels Camilla didn't care about Betty anymore. Plus, Camilla is focusing on humans in her implied Season 3 of Glitchtale and it was ruined because we loved the UT Cast so focusing on humans isn't great. When Camilla wanted to focus on the humans I stopped watching nor did I watched the finale because Betty was wasted potential indeed.
Also Jessica Grey is a better human OC and should've been a better antagonist for Season 2 of Glitchtale.
I hope in the future fangames like Undertale yellow and la jupo keep on existing.
I prefer glitchtale over underverse because it is less focused on the sans
Also the fear soul concept is better than overwrite
Betty’s whole character is written horribly. The fear concept had potential but wasn’t written very well either.
Underverse being focused on Sans isn't entirely it's fault, as like 99% of the good AU characters are Sans because people really liked Sans a lot. Which sadly leads to less variety in character designs. I think Underverse makes up for this however with how the different Sans are portrayed, none of them feel the same and have very unique personalities that distinguish them from one another pretty well, in my opinion of course.
@@zorlex9668 Fr & Underverse was being made back when the og Sans AUs were popular & there was very little to no other character AUs.
Chara, Asgore, Alphys, Undyne, etc AUs barely even existed back then so it’s obviously not Jael / Jakei’s fault.
He could've atleast added stuff like for example undyne the undying or flowey(Yeah base flowey where the heck is that flower???)
Literally every sans doesn’t act the same besides maybe like classic and fell being similar but they don’t rlly show up anymore (cuz fell is dead)
The cast gonna need dustdust to equal out the hate in that fat black glob in glitchtale tho.
UNDERTALE YELLOW SPOILERS
Out of all the UTY OCs, I think Starlo was the best written. He has the perfect amount of screentime: his section of the game and a couple of scenes afterwards. His relationships with Ceroba, the Feisty Four and even Martlet are all superbly done as well. He also owns every scene he's in with his humour and just has so much presence whenever he appears. When he said he occupies about 60% of someone's brain right after they meet him, that was certainly true for me. He also has his emotional moments as well, such as his Spare cutscene, his death scenes in Neutral and Genocide and killing Ceroba in the Pacifist route.
Some people didn't like how he suddenly attacks you after he loses his friends on Pacifist/Neutral, but as we clearly see his impulsiveness in earlier scenes, it does make sense for him to suddenly blame everything on Clover without actually thinking through. I also don't think he was actively trying to KILL Clover either, rather capture them, but once again, his impulsiveness makes him more dangerous. You also see character development after this in the Pacifist route as he acts more responsibly, trying to protect Clover from Ceroba.
The only thing I really had a problem with his that he brought a fake gun to the Dual in Genocide. He was perfectly willing to use an ACTUAL GUN when Clover wasn't even a threat, but he suddenly decides not to when ACTUAL LIVES are on the line? That just felt like the writers trying to shoehorn as much Ceroba screentime as they could. She already dominated the Pacifist ending, let my boy have his moment to shine! The Ceroba Genocide fight could be justified if he actually made an effort to defend himself. Give him a real gun and if he shoots you in the Dual, you die! No-one's going to complain because there's a SAVE point like TWO rooms before!
Anyway, now that that''s off my chest, just wanted to show some love to the best UTY character.
I never really noticed the issue with Betty's hate design after the original final scene but damn I now get why I felt like something was off. She was shown with pink eyes a tentacle-esque design under her main body like a spider, long limbs, and a set of black tendril hair. It was practically perfect. But they just...made me hate this big guy. Tbh I would have preferred she transformed MANY times throughout the fight. Maybe every single change of magic giving her a diffrent look? ANYTHING but what we got. It made her...boring.
Don't worry, Axis mitigates the screen time issue by being the uncontested funniest character in UTY
*Now we need a video about undertale OCs done wrong*
Out of topic of this great video for a bit but I kinda want your opinion on BossHim, the guy who made some Sans’ fangames, they are pretty well done tbh
Sorry for this comment lol
Would like to see from you a video about glitchtale.
fire video fr
I know this is off topic but what is your favourite au?
Mine are underswap and forgotten timelines
Underfell(great time, trio, one hell of a show, etc.), horrortale, TS underswap, Delta traveler, and Undertale yellow
TS! Underswap, Undertale yellow, Recognized Maniacs, Spongeswap, and Undertoad
Not sure,Ts underswap is a good game but if you only count the au then it doesn't have too much,maybe Horrortale or Swapfell
@@Military_base01 i meant both normal underswap and ts underswap
Ink Sans (Canon version) & Endertale
Me and Larry oughta be da best on dat list of yours, see?
Anyone remember Cereb battle against a think tank? I think he’s probably the most forgotten Undertale OC, he also comes from a unitale game similar to Red and also has like 10 different endings. If I had to pick Red and Koffin K are my favorites, Red was done dirty and got forgotten amongst the piles of alternate Sanses, good some people still remember her.
To be honest uty would have bee so much better without cerobra first of all they made for the worst final boss out of the 3 martlet was a hard final boss with the shooting mechanic it was the final challange and made full use of the dash and flowey final boss well i don't think i need to explain why that one is better. And also if not for cerobra we would have 100% got the starlo geno boss also pacifist ending would have releyed more on starlo and axsis likey. Over all i think cerobra was undertale yellows biggest flaw.
Common TS!Underswap victory
Lots of nostalgia and I JUST started the video
Isn't the creater of glitchtale a groomer defender or smth?
yeah,she is a very bad person,another big reason to why Glitchtale is hated
And also not only that
If I could remember she also gr00m3d and s3x74lly harassed someone and there's a callout post on that in Twitter
Oh boy what a strange coincidence when she defends literal gr00m3rs so much that she actually becomes one huh?
MARTLET AND CERBOA ARE HATED?! Why!! CERBOA IS THE MOST TRAGIC NON SANS CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE FANDOM!! And Martlet was such a sweetheart and I actually relate to her in a way. ;(
I disagree with bete honestly, it always just felt annoying whenever it was onscreen, bete RARELY won fights onscreen, and bete just got whooped by so many people, undyne, frisk, sans was even winning until the rhabdophobia, and probably WOULD have won if he didn't put all his remaining power into those blasters, or was warned about rhabdophobia first, and then obviously gaster, who basically just instakilled bete to the point where he made bete look like a fodder, and then the god awful plot armor bete gets, like the human and monster exterminator machine thing, like what the hell, why would specific wording matter, and even if it DID, bete was made FROM a human, is very SIMILAR to a human, and is basically a mirror to a human anyways, it SHOULD have killed bete, then against undyne and frisk bete only got away because plot demanded it
Also just want to bring up Cereb from a old UT fangame
2:31
i thought it said "watching her get fondled by gaster was very interesting"
as someone who has never watched glitchtale i was VERY confused
My boi el bailador was so forgotten that you didint even said anything about it
el bailador
Appreciation
fun fact: el bailador and decibat have more character dynamic than martlet and dalv, or martlet and starlo, or dalv and starlo
more like "L" failador
@@wix-1-3dgcjt6sorry but your opinion is invalid!
1:34 Frisk literally killing, possibly an entire family
I don't understand why people would even complain about Martlet and Ceroba. They are pivotal to the story and the plot of the game. Martlet's actions literally directly affect our journey. She is tasked with sticking with us like a guardian, so it's kind of a dual protagonist kind of deal. In a sense, Martlet is a main character too. Ceroba's goal and purpose in the story would completely fall flat if she wasn't granted as much screentime as she did. If she showed up for as long as Dalv did, then her sudden appearance and fight wouldn't hit the same. Do people like... not understand how writing stories work? Keep focusing on important to the story characters and give lesser focus to characters that fulfilled their purpose already. When we meet Dalv, we make him move out and pursue his dream. Why would he even need to show up in the steamworks or the desert or the kingdom after that?
1:36 rip pinkish car
koffin k is basically a heinz doofenshmertz of undertale
3:18 was crazy man 😅
Koffin K isnt built different, he's built superior
wait, Ceroba and Martlet are the most hated? i had the opposite impression to be honest-
another cool video like last time, and on my birthday aswell! i really love ya as a youtuber, you give constructive criticism and back up your claims and thoughts, i bet you could do well with being a concept artist, or something like that, i love ya the way you are, you have even gotten me in some aus and famgames whom ive learned to love, and even if youre upset about something, just know you got ~315 likes today (as of checking this video), that means that youve made 315 people happy & content including me, and thats all ya need to keep going! obviously, i wont be there to check your other videos as i have boarding school, which has been draining my mental health, i hope the following days for ya get better, never give up, if ya need a break, take a break, thanks, based. (im gonna call ya like that from now!) sorry if i wasnt that participative in the comments earlier, im not the best person there is, ill check up on your dc, dont expect me to be active though, as boarding school still is a problem, and i probably hadn't mentioned some things, but i dont mind. farewell, pardner! ^v^
5:09 fool... SANS IS IN THE FILES OF UNDERTALE YELLOW, THERE IS NO ESCAPE
Crossbones is also an orginal character but it’s weird we never see him and sans in the same room
frisk possibly killed a whole family of 5 just to save a single kid who'd later turn into the villain of the series
i guess
damn...
4:35 Martlet is one of the most hated???
2:00 Tbh, I completely forgot that Glitchtale exists 'til I watched this video, my mind just erased any trace of that series due to the awful behaviour and allegations against Camila.
And also, everybody can agree Betty is just wasted potential; she could have been more manipulative, calculator, ingenious with a meticulous planning on her strategy, mind games, mind control, attacks and tricks to leave no margin for error so that no one suspects her while driving the dumb humans and the innocent monsters into heated disputes to the point of making an unnecesary civil war caused by her actions, then taking advantage of the disturbances to make an effective genocide move while everybody is distracted, hiding and being in moments of weakness to accumulate power; she could have been a terrifying mastermind where she doesn't attack yet, but she's slowly bringing insecure, paranoia and 𝙁𝙀𝘼𝙍 doing atrocious shit to blame others and attracting chaos without anybody knowing it's her until it's too late without even using "the hate plot" (Which didn't matter at the end, cause HATE was defeated due to the power of friendship or sum bs giving the most anticlimatic feeling on the final fight of the series) but Camila opted for the idea of her being the main focus of the series ALL THE TIME, as a result, Betty's on screen almost every time and she became the generic powerful villain everybody should fear and no one could beat her except the protagonist, all of that without any build up in general.
Btw, in glitchtale lore vids, turns out that the hate person was a human once and he didn't killed chara and asriel bc he got flashbacked. So yea, hate is actually a spirit of some kind that can possess souls
Yk usually someone says oc and i think of self inserts
Which are usually shit unless they're here for comedic effect
So it's nice the good oc are real real good
Even tho oc means original charachter so any charachter in a story technecly is one unless he's from a different story
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Koffin-K
I don't hate him, and he has his funny moments, but I think in general he's kinda forced
Like you're progressing smoothly along the plot and then he just comes out of nowhere and the game forces you into doing all those quests with him for a couple of hours, that's not really my cup of tea
I would probably like him more if his section wasn't so sudden and long
Can’t believe glitchtale ends with chara and asriel fighting the 10 hour burst man from the hit Roblox game item asylum
*10 HOURS*
red best girl
1:35
FRISK JUST FUCKING MURDERED THAT PERSON WHAT THE FU
erm... as any true glitchtale fan would know... *adjusts glasses* that car is ackshually an illusion made by bete noire 🤓👆
let’s be honest the creator of glitchtale was on crack from the start
@@Toasty_Animations yes. The story makes no sense
i swear it went like
sans fights chara and frisk dies in the process 😳
timeline resets 🫥
frisk meets gaster 🥱
chara suddenly reappears and becomes scary evil hate monster😱
chara gets beat up by gaster 😨
chara becomes nice 😇
monsters go to surface ☀️🌞
suddenly bête shows up 🤔
bête fucking demolishes a quarter and a half of the main cast 😨😱🫥
suddenly sans reincarnates with ‼️🥶 BLUE 🥶EYES 🥶‼️ and dies again straight away 😤
gaster beats the everloving shit out of bête 🫡
bête becomes scary evil hate monster 😐
bête gets beat up by the gaster 🥱
camilla gets caught and gets fucked over by the undertale community 😦🤮😵🤢🤧😵💫😭😭🥶
@@noideangl
also if it was an illusion
ARE WE GOING TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT FRISK WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY KILLED SOMEONE DOING THAT OTHERWISE
For me, Ceroba was a funny one. While her presenve in the story is overrepresented, at the final battle I grew to hate her so much that I decided to... that's right, I spared her. She deserved to live with all the consequences
TS!Underswap is objectively the best AU fangame to have ever existed (no, UTY is not an AU fangame, it takes place in the OG undertale universe)
So here is my take on Bette Noire. Because I am disappointed on Canon Bette Noire, why not I decide to give my rewrite Bette Noire. Because rewrites and redesigns are popular on UA-cam why not. What if Bette Noire was a glitch aka a glitch in the timeline that shouldn't exist. Instead of pinks and purples, her color is an inverted color of Orange and Yellow as a twisted foil to Frisk. Or have her have a glitchy color scheme in video games.
So here is my take. I imagine Bette Noire should be akin to Death from Puss In Boots. She is not seen in the story but her presence makes the story terrifying when she appears. Jessica Grey will be the main antagonist of the series, because she fits the UT story where there's no good nor evil in Ut it's that good intentions equals things gone wrong. Plus she would be a perfect foil to Asgore and Toriel on the moral ambigious actions of saving your children or for your own grief.
Bette Noire is a glitch in the timeline manifested where she herself targets Frisk alone. Unlike in the canon series, it plays as a twisted version of The Boy Who Cried Wolf as I believe Noire being a horror villain would've made Glitchtale better. Because GT Frisk viewed the timelines as a game so they resetted so many times they did the No Mercy route. In this timeline they promise to not reset again, Bette Noire represents a twisted version of Frisk or what Frisk is trying to hide. An enjoyment of violence and fear and hatred. They start attacking subtle monsters that the whole Underground slowly believes Frisk is the one who did it. Frisk tries to defend themselves but they struggle.
Meanwhile Jessica misinterprets Frisk helping her end monsterkind, so Frisk ends up being kidnapped by her and misunderstanding and drama ensues. There is no necessary humans as we need smaller cast.
In this story GT Frisk has to realize they need to prove they changed or otherwise this sentinent glitch will force them to reset the timeline again. As for Bette, I will not include Kumu or the HATE being in this story. Rather she represents the living embodiment against Determination....Fear.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Ah wait...good idea.
@@IAmBored347 Also, what are your thoughts of GT Frisk replacing hinself with GT Chara?
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Oh boy. I hated that decision. I mean I didn't mind it at first, but looking back at it Frisk just became completly forgotten.
Without Frisk, their story arc was pointless in the end. They are the reason why Glitchtale Season 1 existed and being responsible for the timelines. Frisk shouldn't have been replaced because Chara's arc was completed.
It feels a bit frustrating because Frisk became so unlikeable that I wished Frisk got one last chance to defeat Bette Noire. It just never happened and I still feel Chara shouldn't return to the story.
@@JaelGuzman-b4n Oh boy. I hated that decision. I mean I didn't mind it at first, but looking back at it Frisk just became completly forgotten.
Without Frisk, their story arc was pointless in the end. They are the reason why Glitchtale Season 1 existed and being responsible for the timelines. Frisk shouldn't have been replaced because Chara's arc was completed.
It feels a bit frustrating because Frisk became so unlikeable that I wished Frisk got one last chance to defeat Bette Noire. It just never happened and I still feel Chara shouldn't return to the story.
@@IAmBored347 Also, what do you think GT would be like if Frisk was being possessed by the player?
Notice how the furry ocs in UTY has more screentime than the non furry ocs? What does this mean?
Glitchtale gave me a whole Vietnam flashback
Ah another based opinion and another strongman victory ts!underswap and its great supremacy over the fandom
I WOULD SPEND 50K ON KOFFIN-K, NOT MUFFET!!!
Merg reference
As a massive fan of glitchtale and Betty, I kinda agree. I don’t hate “hate” but it had too little screen time. It had only one episode and that’s it. Honestly there should’ve been more episodes to establish hate as a threat and also give it a personality and show how it’s 10x more evil and dangerous than Betty. I love glitchtale and it’s my favorite undertale au but no au is perfect and that’s a perfect example.
I could've done slightly better with the hate design, not trying to brag AT ALL
Utys characters are connected in this way:martlet-chijin-axis&ceroba-starlo-feisty five
We don't talk about el bailador and dalv tho
ts underswap it's goated