Law & Order - A Questionable Reichian Treatment
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- During the investigation into the grave injury of a little girl in a respectable, middle-class family, Max Greevey and Mike Logan uncover a myriad of family secrets involving abuse, molestation, and murder. Based on a real story.
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Season 1, Episode 9. The investigation of a preschooler's death leads to the crack-addicted mother and her boyfriend, a disreputable doctor.
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I went down the rabbit hole after watching Dee Dee’s wound video recommend from UA-cam, I just wanted to see how it was gonna end 😪 I hate it now, hate those people!! Bastards.
Karla Monreal SAME...poor dee dee.
Oh same here
Deedee died? 💔😭😭😭
Same I’m so fucking disgusted
You literally just described how I came to this video
I like how Stone is normally so calm and collected but this case was so twisted even he lost his cool, some awesome acting in this episode
*5:25* You can hear the outrage in his voice.
@@foolslayer9416 I do too. He came down HARD on the father and verbally beat him black and blue before breaking his back verbally.
Greg Jenkinson I noticed that too
@@chrisgibson4248
"Beware the Wrath of a Righteous Man ..."
"Good men do not need any rules. Today is not the day to find why I have so many ..." :- Dr. Who.
@@girlgarde
"I want to put them in a dungeon, put them both on the wheel, and anhilate them ..."
What he could do physically, he did verbally ...
As an ADA he must have seen many a stomach churning case, but was so outrageous, he couldn't, nor wouldn't hold himself back any more ...
“We hold hands” I swear that was weakest attempt at innocence I ever heard
During his entire explanation I was thinking “oh hell nah”
Omg right not even a good one
Actually...that kind if made me nauseous...
@@shioriryukaze But true to life. I once saw someone smack their little kid, and the kid fell back weeping into that parent's arms for comfort afterwards. Because that's a child's instinct, to go to their parents for comfort and security, even if that parent was the one who hurt them. It's devastating.
@@felisd very true to life. Murderers wrap themselves and those close to them in a web of deceit, threatening to kill anyone who talks. Being sociopaths, they are VERY good liars, and often you don't even get close to the full truth until after they're in prison and no longer have anything to lose - and even then, they usually maintain their innocence until their death, because they see no advantage to confession.
Dad: I loved her with all my heart
Everyone else: stfu
Ani Sinanian literally 😂😂😂
liked. wanna keep this at 420 lol
The prosecution breathes the defense Objection!!!!
"STFU"?
@@roguejester4986 Stfu
That judge read dude to filth. Such an effective delivery. No theatrics, just straight talk. The way he shifted his gaze to him and said "As for you, sir..." Oof. That was chilling.
Yes, superb writing back then.
I second that emotion. And the fact that he behaved so civilly compared to those two animals showed how big of a person he was.
OBJECTION LEADING THRE WITNESS killed me bro😂
He didn’t deserve to be called ‘sir’
That judge looked like he wanted to eat the guys soul. Always low hanging head, eyes fixed in mad mode. Geez I'd confess to anything under that gaze. Lol
“Pookie can’t live without her Daddy. Pookie needs you. Pookie needs you.”
That line honestly sent a chill down my spine. That woman was completely broken by him.
That is how real narcissistic misogynists work on women... yet what "terrifies feminists" are "white male incels raging because they cannot get a date".
David Welsh Because they find women and fucking shoot them if they feel the slightest bit slighted. Are you honestly this dense or have you not had your nap yet?
@@Panwere36 Yeah, Elliot Rodgers, jackass.
In a twisted way my Dad's nickname is Pookie. And no its not abusive, we call him that because its a family name, like my name is Sausage.
But they did to their children is unforgivable. Sure our parents use to smack us when we were kids, but that was a different time. But physically abuse like this with Drugs and smacking them over the head is wrong.
@@Panwere36 I see someone did not get a date when you replied to this comment. Good thing for the woman too.
They way she calls him daddy... and he wanted that little girl to “service” him later. I’m going to be sick.
I had to stop the video. Made me sick
I already vomitted.
I started a new painting , i needed to turn My Brian off After this ..... 😟😞
One theory: in her very twisted way, the wife realized she could not save her daughter, so she eventually killed her. On the flip side, she my have feelings of jealousy toward her daughter. But I think it was the first- she slowly killed her daughter- maybe without consciously knowing it- because she knew she was not capable of saving her. It’s really f-ed up, but seems the most likely scenario. It was all wrong and beyond horrible. It shows how weak humans can be, how they can lose their way and never make it back.
“Serve,” not “service.” At least get the quote right since the latter is far creepier than the first.
I've been in EMS since 2010, and now I'm moving into higher medicine as a student doctor. The truth is, what you see on TV, isn't half as foul and twisted as the real stories that happen every day. The truth is stranger than fiction.
Oliver Allen used to work in psychiatry, i agree. What one human can do to another is quite disturbing.
Oliver Allen Facts, I worked at a Behavioral Institution for Children and when you read those record; you would just want to take them home and show them real love!
Practice medicine for long enough and you'll start to want to become a hermit.
Oliver Allen ☝️
Police dispatcher here. People can be so cruel to the most innocent and least able to protect themselves.
That's twisted, when the woman asks what's going to happen she asks as if she is a child. This is showing the effects of abuse and mental training. That made me get sick
That didn't make me sad, it just made me feel nothing but outrage. I imagine that if any decent father or mother found out what that man did to his family, they'd beat him to a pulp.
The fact that most episodes in L&O were in a nutshell. ..based on a true story with a few omissions ..makes it really interesting to watch.
Or take elements of multiple true stories and mix them together
@@TPTGopher ~ That's one of the things I liked about a couple of the L&O series'. The "Criminal Intent" show did the same thing...
i would of said horrifying.
I didn’t know they were based off real events. Now, with this new knowledge, I won’t be sleeping easily for the next couple days.
This was one of the few that ran with a disclaimer.
Law & Order revisited this storyline in 2005. Lowenstein had been seeing a therapist for years and was being considered for parole. He had been badly beaten more than once in prison. When the detectives visited him, he wondered "why would anyone do this to me?". "You're kidding, right?" was the detective's reply. His therapist heard all of his...side of the story for years, and in the end made sure he would never make parole at all.
It was in the same precinct where it happened and Detectives Fontana and Green caught the case.
His fellow inmates probably heard about his intentions to “train” his daughter if Didi had survived. Child murder, p3dophilia, and incest are all guaranteed to paint a target on your back in prison.
When she said she can’t live with mout him I almost puked 🤮
LUmPy SpaCE pRinCeSS abuse, you silly twit. Fear/love.
Zero Todona chill out you SilLy tWiT
@@zerotodona1495 So unnecessarily mean and an a uneducated response.
Me too.
@@zerotodona1495 🤡🤡🤡
UA-cam: *recommends a law and order video*
Me: why is this in my recommendations? I dont even watch law and order.
Also me: *watches the next two videos cause now I'm invested*
I can relate 😂
This.
Lmao same
Same
Same
@ 7:35 the scene of the two guilty defendants going DOWN the elevator was such visual imagery. You almost hear the gates of hell creaking open then clanging shut!
Jerry Sinclair For that beautiful scene you had to wait 15 years...but it was worth it, especially after his killer was acquitted so quickly you got a sense that jury deliberations consisted of the foreman saying “OK, no one here actually wants to convict her, right? (Silence/no hands are raised)...Yeah, didn’t think so”.
@@TPTGopher Thanks for assuming me to be much younger. No, I saw the first run back in the 1990s. Law and Order was "must see TV'' ...and still is 25 years after its inception. This particular espisode stands out significantly to me. It was just darn good dialogue and the actors brought their "A-game'' that day.
Jerry Sinclair “15 years later” was referring to the Season 15 episode where the fucker is mown down shortly after his release from prison, and you actually do get to see him die in agony.
Hell? Fairy tales... They ended up food for worms... That's it.
@@epramos6800 Yes hell isn't real, but I can appreciate a metaphor.
Bruises found underneath her underwear now that is plain old sick. This man needs the death penalty and the woman deserves life in prison. She could of turned out to be fine if her husband hadn't ever came into her life.
Or better than that ripped apart in prison inmates in prison do not tolerate that kind of behavior harming children is off-limits in prison. it’s amazing he went 15 years in prison without even being ripped apart limb by limb for all he had done. I’m just glad he was killed in season 14 by Dr. Draper another psychologist who examined him approving him for parole but realized the guy was breaking his parole he was in a relationship with a woman who had children the woman was the definition of the New Jersey stereotype she didn’t even Believe what he did. I’m so glad Dr. Draper ran him over and got acquitted by the jury. His ex-wife regrets what she did tries not to think about him she was a suspect but well she moved on and works at a daycare. As for their son Azra from what I saw on that episode he was doing real well was a quarterback of a high school football team and has an adoptive caring family his adoptive father showed me that genetics doesn’t determine who is a good father when the detectives are questioning him about his biological fathers death. Like I will not forget how in that scene I wish UA-cam would show it where they’re questioning both about Jacob Lowenstein meeting up with him and well he did meet his father against his adopted father That man doesn’t care about you which eventually Azra agrees.
Forget prison, that woman needs to be in a mental hospital!
I think the woman bears some blame but not entirely cos I think her husband broke her will completely and in turn wanted her to do same to the children.
HER HUSBAND IS WORSE THAN A MONSTER AND EVEN MUCH WORST THAN A DEMON
(2:07) - I love this exchange
"Mr. Lowenstein, do you consider yourself a good husband and father?"
"Yes, I do."
"A good provider?"
"Yes. Yes, absolutely."
"Shelter, food, clothing?"
"Of course."
"...and cocaine?" 🤣
Jacob Lowenstein: O Hot Diggity that’s tegrity cocaine🤣
I swear a guy like him deserved what happened to him it’s too bad he didn’t get ripped apart in prison like thrown to the inmates and ripped to shreds while metal music played in the background that is freaking awesome🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍
My grandma would watch this throughout the day but wouldn’t let us watch I see why and I fell in love with it as I got old enough to watch it rip grandma wilma🙏🏽
Rest in peace Wilma
Grace Haven thank you 🙏🏽
My grandma had us watching this too S.V.U is my fav
Aww that’s sweet💗 my mom always watched it in bed and I would lay with her as a teenager and watch it with her. Such sweet memories
ItsAkenoBruhActlikeuknow mine too
*Looks like we ALL fell down tha rabbit hole.... well done UA-cam👏👏👏!* haha
haha, I got sucked in too, might watch more!
S. Aamir shut up
That woman deserves an oscar for that performance. Holy cow
Yeah. Monumental performance.
Well... the _actress_ does...
Character should get life in the SHU at _best!_
@@seand.g423
... without Parole ...
@@seand.g423 imagine how you feel about the character. Now imagine you as a sane moral person has to portray that character...
Marcia Jean Kurtz is the actress' name. Talented actress.
They did a "follow up" episode to this one about fifteen years later. The son had been given for adoption and was doing well. The mother had been released from prison and had gradually rebuilt her life. The father came to the court's attention because he had been released, but was now getting involved with a woman who had two young children.
Which episode
@@TheMan750 Fixed
@@jmarie9997What number?
@@TheMan750i know I’m a year late, but I did some digging and the follow up episode is Season 15 episode 11 entitled “Fixed”
@ericaschaidt8588 you are an angel
A true lost masterpiece of a crime drama. Still... it doesn't make feel better about the kid who died. Maybe it's my motherly instincts, but it just brings me tears.
Not even a mother but this show and svu both always make me cry and angry at the same time.
@@kanikagaral7637 she's gonna go to hell anyway.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 well aren't you sunshine in a bag
Yeah, as others have commented, Jacob Lowenstein did get out of prison and was killed by his psychiatrist because she found out that he was abusing kids again; she was acquitted and, IMO, to paraphrase McCoy in another episode, sometimes that happens when your victim is worse than your killer...
Omg your right. This was a sequel. And he got hit by the psychiatrist’s car. Smh. I know the mom was abused too... but she deserved to do a lot more time.
And so justice is finally served for 6 year old Didi. May you finally find peace in Heaven at long last my little angel and may you be loved there like you should've been in life.
What episode was this please?
Ironically, it was Fontana and Green of the 2-7 that caught the case. Just like Greevey and Logan did.
Andrew Clark The episode is called “Fixed”. Season 15, episode 11.
“This court sentences you to 25 years to life” YYYYYEEESSSSSSSSSSS
In the Season 15 episode “Fixed”, he gets released on parole for good behavior after serving only 15 years. He doesn’t get to enjoy his freedom for long, though.
If anyone is wondering that little boy was given to his biological mother. His name was changed to Travis and has done very well for himself. There hasn’t been many updates on him but from the last bit of info I gathered he has moved on from his past and is doing well.
Lizzie Turner look it up it’s based on a real story......this actually happened.......🤦🏻♀️
Fr
most law and order cases are from real cases and when I remember that it hurts my heart smh people can be soooo evil
Aty Steele I’m not shocked. A good number of the Law and Order episodes (SVU included) were based on actual cases that happen
icoleman150 isn’t law and order and SVU the same thing?
Now I know how Peter Stone became a great prosecutor. His father Ben was a great prosecutor.
I wish Peter Stone became the new Executive ADA of L&O after McCoy instead of Michael Cutter.
Gotta really appreciate Stone, he really gets involved and truly seems to care about the victims. They portrayed ADA Stone in SUV, his son, the same way. Such an amazing show.
You could tell he was really pissed in this case. Loved this episode!
I agree.Peter Stone shows himself to be very passionate and gets the job done!
I literally just had a brain blast I never made that connection they were related
@@deannav9091 It Is such a great eater egg type revelation. Law & Order has always been amazing, like a gift that keeps on giving.
For someone who claimed to love his daughter “with all his heart”, he didn’t seem too broken up about her death...
The storyline is very close to reality- sometimes no one knows what goes on behind closed doors until it’s too late- what if the teacher had been allowed to report the abuse..? What other opportunities were missed or quashed that could have saved this girl..? Reality is darker than any fiction the mind can conjure.
Its like am son who murders his parents, and, when convicted of the crimes; offers as a mitigating circumstances, that he is now an orphan... 👿
I don't believe you have to bare your soul to strangers to prove your love. When heard the news that my best friend died I was in public in a cafeteria, I didn't twitch so much as muscle. I stood up left the cafeteria found a nice ,quiet, secluded place then cried my heart out. If a narrator or detective were there I'm sure they would've called me cold or a heartless monster as I was in public but of course they couldn't know of my quiet moments unobserved. Ones true character is revealed when they think no one's looking.
@@Slowpoke3xIn this case, the father was abusing the small girl and was an evil man. That’s why he wasn’t broken up about it.
"WE WERE SMOKING IT, ALRIGHT?" she says so primly lmao
Gosh, how I loved when Stone tore into those on the stand. And Moriarty's vocal break on "bloodstain under her head"... Moriarty was an amazing actor, when he put his heart into his performances. Shame what happened to him.
Rachel Common what happen to him??
@@peachii3195 He went, shall we say, 'off the rails' in the mid 90s. Drink played a heavy role, and his career went downhill. He exiled himself to Canada and has done little in the way of acting since.
@@peachii3195 went off his rocker and blamed everyone else for his own choices.
He's been sober for 20 years from what I've read and mostly composes music now. Law and Order may have been a peak for him but he did get an Emmy for playing the father of James Dean in a movie few years after he left L&O.
If anyone wants to know how much the episode relates to the real case;
Joel Steinberg was a lawyer (now disbarred) not a psychiatrist and Lisa Steinberg and Michel Steinberg were not his biological children but illegally adopted and lived with with him and Hedda Nussbaum. She was his live in partner not wife.
Lisa was struck by Joel not Hedda. He then left the unconscious and bleeding child to go a party. Hedda waited over 10 hours to call 911, after which Lisa was transported to a hospital by police. She passed away 3 days later after doctors decided to remove her from life support.
Apart from Lisa, Hedda and Mitchell also showed signs of domestic abuse. Hedda was not prosecuted in exchange for her testimony against Joel. He was convicted for manslaughter and send to prison for 8-25 years but got out on parole in 2004 and took work in the construction industry. Meanwhile, Mitchel was reunited with his biological mother.
Stone’s delivery was epic! You could see how emotional he got when showing that man the picture and questioning him.
Just hearing his voice break when he said “a bloodstain the size of a small rug!” Is so poignant!
I wish that both of their real life counterparts, got the sentences these characters got.
jermed2001 did the real people rot in jail or got off scot free
@@aliyah2393 The guy served about 17 years in prison and his girlfriend (not wife, as in this episode) testified against him and has no criminal record and served no time in relation to Lisa's death. In the end, she was deemed a victim of battered woman syndrome.
Andrea wow
Andrea I was doing a summer internship in NYC when the real guy got out...for about a week, the Post and Daily News all but encouraged readers to kill him if they got the chance.
@@TPTGopher I'm not surprised. Most people have a visceral reaction to child abusers and murderers.
The disclaimer at the end is laughable, but I supposed necessary for legal reasons. This episode wouldn't have been written without that case. Everyone who saw this episode when it first aired talked about obvious similarities. I still believe it's one of the more powerful episodes in the show's history.
The transcript of the disclaimer is on comment block 21 in the comment section
When the episode came out, everyone shouted at the screen, "Steinberg Case!!!!" Of course they needed a disclaimer.
Look up the case around the Anastasia movie in the 1930s. The survivors of the Romanov family successfully sued a Hollywood studio for slander when they depicted the Russian Queen having an extra-marital affair with Rasputin. The judge said that if the studio had said the plot was fictional and only based on a true story, he would have thrown the suit out of court. After that, all Hollywood movies have had "based on a true story" in front of their movies.
I got goosebumps after hearing the disclaimer.
How did I not know there was a Law & Order channel on UA-cam?!!
Sam Scott It’s pretty new! They’ve not been posting clips for very long
I'm an addict already!
I remember back in the day, watching Stone cross-examine that monster, I thought Stone was going to physically attack him!
"Lock them in the dungeon, stick 'em on the wheel, and *annihilate* them!"
I imagine Stone wanted to beat him to death, he certainly gave the doctor a major verbal beating that destroyed his defence.
In the episode with his release and not at all immediate death, a cameoing Cragen flat-out tells Fontana and Green that he hopes the fucker lives and suffers for as long as possible.
@@girlgarde Remember stone has a son seeing people do that to their children is just disgusting is glad his son doesn’t have to live in that kind of lifestyle has any concern parents I don’t blame any concern parent for that fly a stray to rage wanting to murder Jacob Lowenstein
5:27 "It was dark. There wasn't, uh, many lights about. And, uh..." He's starting to screw up the grammar, this means he's been exposed.
I felt disgusted of what was happening but, when I heard tighter daddy I thought this was going to be more horrible.
“And cocaine?” I know this is supposed to be serious but the way Stone says this one makes me laugh out loud every time
*5:25* You can tell that Stone was getting very, very upset. Like he wanted to have that guy be laying on the floor with a bloodstain around his head. Then again, any decent man or woman would be outraged if they found a man was responsible for the abuse of an innocent little girl.
Ben Stone had every right to get upset in this case he was thinking about his son he and his wife are divorced but you know what he still tries to be there for his son and when he sees people like Jacob Lowenstein and his wife it just makes him furious to have any parents would do horrible things to their children. speaking of which I’ve seen a video that was on the news it showed a deputy sheriff arriving on the scene finding a toddler with a soiled diaper two women pulled over save the baby the deputy tried it’s best to keep the toddler calm. When he found the parents he was just losing it big time he got so mad about how the child was treated neglected it had bug bites all over his body it was disgusting. In the video cam the cop is just losing his patients with these parents because they are just horrible people the mom doesn’t seem upset about the boy but he’s she’s upset about going to jail house for the dad all he says it’s not fair at all and the cop response yeah it’s not fair it’s not fair to your son. Like been stone in law and order this deputy sheriff probably has a family to and seeing a child like that just literally causes his blood to boil
I almost forgot how powerful this episode was!
The Judge did not hold back. He was beyond angry.
Neither did Ben Stone
Yes I'm surprised that judge didn't lose it screaming at him till he was scared shaking in his socks
I like the disclaimer at the end, mentioning the case it was based off of by name, and telling exactly what aspects were changed. That's something I wish the later episodes of Law and Order, and its spinoffs, kept.
they probably were losing too much money on lawsuits and deals
This was a very rare exception
Early Law and Order was something different. 80s television build with 90s situations. It's special.
I remember this episode. Stone was livid and it showed.
Excellent acting.
This was when law and order still based most of their stories on real life stories and cases. This being one of the true stories they did. Which makes this all the more horrific.
“Pookie can’t live without her Daddy. Pookie needs you. Pookie needs you.”
That line honestly sent a chill down my spine. That woman was completely broken by him.
Same. After years of continuous mind games and beatings, she's just numb.
God Law and Order is such a good series of shows. They get some really good actors.
“Shelter? Food? Clothing…and cocaine?”
You know, the basics.
"Your honor, I've lost my family."
No, you destroyed it.
The acting in this episode by everyone was absolutely awesome and flawless. Felt as though i was watching a real trial.
I watched the whole episode on Amazon last night, and MY GOD was it disturbing. L&O pulled no punches in its first few seasons.
I like how stone directs his personal outrage at the defendant's behaviour without going into a full on frothing at the mouth rage.
He was! about to let loose all hell, but his professionalism and honor is too strong.
Moriarty really deserved an Emmy for this one
Watching this episode is both a masterpiece and stomach churning sight. The level of brutality this monster has done to his own family. There's evil and there's just pure sadistic
That one attorney's face never moved. His face stayed The same when he was monotone quiet and monotone loud. The story is great (somewhat) but the acting is questionable.
Some people do behave like that tho. The attorney himself was calm, but changed volume so the jury felt some drama, but monotonous so that he didn't piss off the judge.
The best lawyers keep their minds on the job at hand, and do not indulge themselves in theatrics, or indulge their own emotions. They can't afford that luxury.
Season one of law and order was da bomb... it was riveting television! Still a big fan of the whole show. My ringtone is the theme and my alert is the "dum-dum".... I own that I am uber geeky.
Lowenstein was giving drugs to patients without a medical licence. Very illegal to say the least.
Does she often sleep on the floor?
That’s the question that immediately put him in the ground, the rest was Mr. Stone giving him a shovel to keep digging.
The rest of the questions were stone pouring verbal lye on him and then watching him dissolve in front of the jury.
This episode is absolutely brilliant. Chilling, provocative and insightful without being exploitative. It is what got me hooked on the show when it first came out and the follow up episode 20 years later really showed the same kind of awesomeness. Good Job Law & Order, you rock.
Must See TV almost 30 years later.......STILL Stands The Test Of Time
I was living in New York when the real case took place. It was a horrendous story. The little girl, I believe, was 3 years old and the mother never did anything to stop the beast of a father from hurting the child. Her excuse was that she was abused by her husband and was afraid of him. They found the house to be a pig sty and there was even feces on the walls of the little girl's room. And here, at the end, they tell me that the woman got off free and the man was charged with Manslaughter ???
The woman should have gone to prison for depraved indifference and the guy should have got what the actor here got : 25 to life, which means he'd have to do 25 years before he'd be eligible for parole . How the courts in New York allowed that injustice, I'll never understand .
I think Steinberg is still in prison. As he should be.
Am I the only one who preferred Ben Stone over Jack McCoy?
Excellent episode...and chilling
25 years to life in a state penitentiary....with no parole. The final touch hoping for.
Yeah 25 years to life it was more likely made into 15 years instead he gets out in 15 years violates his parole gets run over by the very same prison therapist that thought he was good enough to return to society I didn’t even know they can do that. He got a nickname in prison known as the cockroach no longer being a doctor anymore but still he’s only way to survive in prison was just find make appeals for inmates. A man like him would never have survived that long or ever considering what he did and what he was convicted of. he deserved what he got in the end he never excepted responsibility instead he blamed the whole world but himself. He tried to contact his son who was doing better in school sports and possibly was going to college I guess he did go to college after that had a loving foster family. At least his son can see he’s Wacko deadbeat at least he has a caring foster or adopt a father that cares about him. My real problem with this character was the fact that he marries a woman similar to his ex-wife Very similar this girl wrote him in prison and didn’t believe anything that happened and he did at the same time already had children and was allowing him to stay with her and her children that disgusted me. He’s not even supposed to be within 100 feet of children as part of his parole and yet he violates that parole Dr. Draper did the right thing. The jury made the right decision to find her not guilty of murdering him.
One of the jurors has been in several episodes. The older lady with red hair.
Michael Moriarty killed this!
in the end it always looked like they were descending into hell which was only fitting for those two
As much as I appreciate Waterston as McCoy (and he’s earned his time), this is a bloody masterclass by Moriarty. He deserved more years, too.
Wow, Joe sure got mean after he and Rhoda split up...
What would Rhoda say? Even more importantly, what would Mary or Lou Grant say?
Wow! That disclaimer at the end makes you wonder just how much this episode really was based on that real life case.
I saw the A&E video of the case. Some aspects of it are similar.
Shelter food clothing.....Yes of course...and cocaine?
Stone really couldn’t contain himself in this case. My favorite line is when he admits it’s his own rage that bothers him the most about this case. (Before the conviction)
They did a down the road episode that followed up on Loenstein having been shot. Captain Craigen gave the detectives a follow up of what happened to the wife and the son. Talk about blast from the past
Actually his prison shrink mows him down with her car (seeing nothing to suggest any attempt to avoid a collision and realizing just who it is dying on the ground, the first cop calls it as no accident) and gets away with it.
Yes that was a Criminal Intent episode .
MrPolicekarim IIRC he was actually walking them to school, which makes it that much more believable that she’d hit him.
@@MrPolicekarim Nope. Fontana and Green investigated Lowenstein's murder.
What happened to the mom
I have been looking for the last scene of that episode for YEARS.
Everyone else: "Wow, these people are awful! This is such a good episode!"
Me: "You can smoke cocaine?"
I didn’t even know that was possible.
I’m the from of crack, yes
“To your knowledge, does the defendant do X, yes or no?”
“Objection! Leading the witness!”
That is one of the most absurd allegations I’ve seen in a courtroom drama. Leading the witness would be “The defendant does X, you know he does X right?”
The judge should have said since them to life sentence
The worst, and most twisted part of this episode is that it's heavily inspired on a real case. Dear god.
She gets 7 to 10 years for brutal murder and he gets 25 to life...anybody see the problem with this? She is just as guilty as he is regardless of addiction. In the real case the women was released for god sake but regardless if she did the beating she is just as guilty because she didn't stop it. The law is goes easy on women and that is messed up.
I think she got a lighter sentence because she was abused physically and mentally to the point where she was mentally broken and subservient to her husband's wishes. In other words, she was deemed to have severe mental issues caused by her husband's actions so she was shown some degree of mercy.
Of course, I don't blame you for hating her, I do too.
She got a lighter sentence in plea deal with the DA in exchange for her testimony against her husband and because she was physically and mentally abused by her husband (although the one detective believed that she was narccasistic herself). ADA Ben Stone figured the father was the worse evil and wanted him more than the mother.
I can't remember what it's called but I think there's a rule where the lawyer cannot get close to a witness in case of hostile behavior. in reality stone wouldn't be up in his face, but I can understand why they don't do this because him screaming five feet away from the guy isn't as dramatic.
"We hold hands" I wanted to die internally when he described it🤢🤮🤮
Is a lawyer pointing a finger allowed in the court?
"Your honor... I've lost my family."
Me - What do you think you've been doing BEFORE you lost your family... 'doctor'?
Actually, after the judge said yes you did, I really wanted the judge to say "at your own hand."
@@louisbouchard6869 Yes at his own hands but then again yes you’re have is perfect
Very intense cross examination and sad ending
Although some aspects of this story may remind you of the Lisa Steinberg case recently adjudicated in New York City, this episode and its characters are fictional and the events and actions portrayed do not reflect the actions of any principals involved in that case.
In the actual case, the male defendant was convicted of manslaughter, while all charges against his female companion were dismissed. There was no evidence of her involvement in physical abuse of any child, or that any child was sexually abused by either adult.
Lowenstein (with calm and soft smile): "I loved her. With all my heart."
Heart that doesn't appear to broken in any way by the death of the daughter you claim you loved so much!
What a cold blooded, psychopathic beast!
This was one of those episodes that shake you to the core and stay with you for years.
Man, this was powerful! I’m drawing a scene of Stone’s prosecuting to the defendant as a result. I don’t know why I’m doing that. I suppose it was that good.
Airdate Nov. 27th, 1990. S1 E9. Early L&O with Michael Moriarty. Based on the Joel Steinberg case. 7:30 "Pooky needs you" . WTF?!
Dr. Lowenstein has to be one of the most loathsome defendants in L&O.
"are you a good father? provider? food? clothing? shelter?... cocaine?" lol
7:43 - “Although sone aspects of this story may remind you of the Lisa Steinberg case recently adjudicated in New York City, this episode and its characters are fictional and the events and actions portrayed do not reflect the actions of any principals involved in that case. In the actual case, the male defendant was convicted of manslaughter, while all charges against his female companion were dismissed. There was no evidence of her involvement in physical abuse of any child, or that any child was sexually abused by either adult.”
Anyone interested the male antagonist, Lowenstien, appears later in the episode _Fixed_ *15 years later.* I won’t give it away but that is also a really good episode.
I always thought that he deserved a much more painful death than he got in that episode.
Props to the villain actor, he's the embodiment of evil. It makes me wonder if he's had any residule effects on his mental health 🤔
Dr. Jacob Lowenstein and Carla Lowenstein are going to mental hospital! Defeat
i just watched the episode that followed up with these characters some odd years later when this jerkface is run over by a car and all i can say is Well done. They got the original cast back (minus ben stone, obviously) for various cameos. it was just fantastic.
Now I haven't seen the episode but why does she get such a low prison sentence while he gets a bad one I thought 1st degree was a harsher sentence
She got a slightly lighter sentence because she eventually testified against the husband after her pro-bono lawyer sat down with Ben Stone (the DA) for a plea deal.
It happened immediately after the teacher testified against the mother and passionately called her a "B-I-T-C-H," after she was excused from the stand.
The direct or intentional murder of a child should be life in prison or the death penalty.
Agreed
Death penalty, hands down!
This is what I don’t like the fact they put everything on him and excuses the moms behavior due to abuse but she could’ve left but chose to forgive him and stay, not to mention they walked in on her about to put the lil boys hands in scolding water, she abused the kids yet he’s the one taking ALL the blame 🤔 that’s exactly why mothers kill their kids so much now a days, In the real case that this episode is based off of the girlfriend (mom) sat in the house with the injured lil girl for over 10 hours before she called 911
The problem is that they were able to show that the mother was not right mentally. She was drug addled (and very clearly had some psychiatric disorder). This reduces her legal culpability in the eyes of the law.
Oh she didn't get away with it, she was sentenced to 7-10 years in prison. However, she was heavily drug addled and had serious mental issues even BEFORE she got hooked on drugs thanks to her husband plus she made a deal to get a reduced sentence AND it became clear that the ultimate bad guy wasn't her, it was her vile husband.
Sure, she had her share of blame for what happened but her husband made her that way.
I'm sorry but life is more complicated than that. Dominant narcissists always choose partners whom they can physically and mentally control. She did what she did because he stripped her of her agency by destroying her psychologically. He had utterly broken his wife. So, she was not morally or legally culpable. Her narcissist of a husband used his psychological knowledge to beat down and control his wife, enough that she would be unable to stand upto him. It's on his head that the guilt should lie, not his wife, who's not coming back from the place where he put her. This is why we need to spend time to learn about people like this character., because on the outside people like him, are like Ted Bundy - charming, intelligent, and often appealing on the outside at least. Inside they are predators and everyone else is their prey. Read this, and perhaps you might understand better about the reality: slate.com/human-interest/2018/10/hedda-nussbaum-joel-steinberg-abuse-trial-anniversary.html.
I don't understand why his abuse was even in question when he LITERALLY was throwing a punch at his wife as he was getting arrested!
I miss the old Law & Order. Simple yet impactful. Drama wasn’t for TV stuff but from real life, which is surprisingly even more horrifying. The ending made sure you knew that it was based on something real and that is just haunting.
Only 7 to 10 for killing a little girl .. ugh