Simulating The BFS Descent 'Skydive' In KSP - Fly By Wire with kRPC
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- I'm not the first to attempt this, but stock KSP doesn't really lend itself to the 'skydiver' descent control mechanic, at least not without adding a buttload of reaction wheels, reaction control thrusters and extra aerodynamic surfaces.
My solution - Kerbal RPC for fly by wire, intercepting my controls and translating them, along with a movable mass to adjust the center of mass.
I still can't steer it to a specific landing site yet, however to be fair the SpaceX engineers have spent a lot more time working on the problem....
Music in the failures section is 'The Show Must Be Go' by Kevin Macleod
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New Scott Manley video? About the BFS? Including KSP? Yup. Yup. Yup.....uumm....YUP!
Aspect Science you keep commenting same shit on every video.
Milkywegian what? I don't even know if I've commented on Scott Manley's before or at least much before?
2024:
How Not to Land with a Modern Artist Onboard
Uh oh
The Spherical Earth Hahahahahaha
Lol i can just imagine the artists on IVA out there painting on canvas
Quite frankly, id be ok with that... i cant stand that guy lol
I still remember the one with the radar glitched Falcon 9 booster dancing on the drone ship XD
Scott doing this video is the first thing I thought of when I watched Elon show the simulation of this process last week
Me too.
I was pretty sure of it as well. Been looking around if anyone else would try this, I'm happy Scott did!
I'm glad it didn't work the first time. It wouldn't be KSP without a lot of explosions. :)
Oh man, those failed attempts at the end with that music cracked me up
The one where you landed on a mountain side and the crew cabin rolled down the hill...ugh. Kinda nightmarish.
One question: If the rocked lands with basically the right velocity, but kinda falls over like on these videos, but there are no more fuel in the tanks, would it explode in real life?
It would not explode, but pretty much destroy itself under its own weight, this is basically a 50meter tall building that just falls on its side, that breaking and shuttering though, flying everywhere
"The one where you landed on a mountain side and the crew cabin rolled down the hill...ugh. Kinda nightmarish." Yeah, you could almost spin the Uranium right out of the Kerbals head with that much centrifugal force. Fun video Scott.
I guess the tanks are still under pressure. Some of the failed Falcon 9 landings exploded when falling over, but without a huge fireball, because of the empty tanks. So maybe something like that. Just a thought
There is no such thing as "no more propellant in the tanks" even if the engine burns out. There will be bit more LOX or fuel left and plenty of fumes in the so called "empty" one, enough for a small fireball.
Yeah, I was thinking they can't be all empty.
But I don't know the engineering part at all so I had to ask.
Also yeah, the failed falcon rocked attempts came to mind, where they said they ran out of propellant but there was an explosion.
And yeah, a big falcon rocket falling over is probably enough to shatter the whole thing completely.
I have a feeling that this way to land a rocket is pretty risky bit
Then the current way of landing- the cabin falls from the sky with a parachute is not exactly better either.
Rolled down a mountain at 2000 rpm but survived.
i actualy tried to figure out how fast it spins but i cant due to the fps beeing to low and .25 playback speed beeing to fast.
Remind yourself that it is possible to frame advance UA-cam videos.
Tough chaps those kerbals
"Random unscheduled disassemblies" Scott you ARE the BEST!!
The Flying Squid......So long and thanks for all the fish.
No Kerbals were harmed in the making of this video.
Penny Lane Many engines and landing struts were.
Yep... they may not have been too happy, but at least they survived.
I feel like Falcon is a place holder for another word
I mean, think about it, Big Falcon Rocket, Big Falcon Ship, Falcon Heavy.
Don't forget the "Big Fuckin Rocket" one
No ship, Sherlock!
If it works in ksp, it works in irl too
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your videos are my absolute favorite youtube podcast and they never cease to impress me
I love how Jescas Kerman would briefly get scared when something exploded, then immediately go back to smiling. What a cheery kerbal. I think those three orange-suits might've been a bit nauseous after all that rolling, though.
Oh man I know Tim is going to be stoked out of his mind you showed his clip. Love you Scott Manley!
When someone's failure montage looks more successful than most of your routine missions.
Bless Jeb and Val's love for explosions, I would have been dragged into Kerbal Labour Court so often by now...
I knew when I watched the SpaceX animation of the 'Skydive' I knew good old Scott would try and reproduce it in KSP. That day has come!
Love any news on Space x and the BFR, thanks so much for all the hard work on it.
Hi Scott, I just realised something. The pendulum rocket you talked about a while ago actually hat one big advantage. Of course it doesn’t right itself BUT with this setup you can stage the fuel tanks while keeping the same engines all the way up which should save quite some weight
Bonus points for the on point key change into the outro song
That trip down the mountain side.... lmao I can imagine Kerbal jelly coating the inside of that thing ☠️
Lol that poor person on the trumpet in the music on the end XD
so many spacex and bfr videos after the recent conference, i love it
Great video, Scott. Hilarious ending. Love the music, funny and catchy. And seemed familiar. I kept hearing, da da da de da da da daa daa. I heard funk. Took me a minute to sort it out. Memorable vocal line from Flashlight by Parliament. Just similar of course.
That's a decent descent
So this is what Scott has been up to since the press announcement! Well done!
To anyone thinking of being invited, ask yourself if you still want to go! :-)
(I'm sure they'll work out the bugs first)
That is awesome! Great use of krpc to change the control scheme! Now I wish KSP implemented infernal robotics hahaha
I guess you could make a simple suicide burn script to help you hover at the last minute with a PID Controller attached to the throttle.
Man that capsule rolling off the mountain was incredible! Hahahhahhha
The fact that no kerbals died in the making of this video(that you showed anyway) is quite impressive!
Cool! To make the suicide burns easier you can switch the SAS to radial out when most of the horizontal velocity is gone, so it doesn't try to go upside down when you reach a standstill.
No "fly safe"? :/
I really didn't think it needed it this time.
There's nothing safe about flying this thing one might say.
"fly safe o7" there you go :p
That last one would be a great way to find out what Kerbal vomit looks like!
Awesome - I admire your tenacity!!! Another great video!
WOW WOW WOW thank you! This helped me a lot to understand how BFS uses aerodynamic for re-entry!
And also SKILLZZZ!
Awesome Scott! If there was a Nobel Prize of Patience - you would get it!!
Interesting feedback about the risk of the de-facto vertical stabilizer being a control risk if it were to roll out of the leeward side during reentry. An oscillation on a craft that size would either rip it to shreds or eventually centrifuge the passengers to pancakes.
Hi Scott, Kerbal Operating System may be about to automate the wings in a manageable way. You cold automate the whole process even. Great vid!
kRPC is so underrated.. incredible tool! Great job btw! I'm still trying to do this manually with Kerbal hinges made out of thermometers lol
I actually play a campaign in which I only did tourist contracts for the most part, converting profit and rep into science, using plane like re-entry vehicles. This reminds me of that
You've invented a new landing technique -- the Cartwheel Landing!
How interesting that SpaceX seems to agree with you on that third fin now :D
BFS Astronaut Pilot Training MUST have the attempts with the music!!
Haha, I like the unplanned disassembles at the end 😂💪
i think you have a bit to much thrust vectoring range enabled on that centre engine, but still very impressive.
Superb ... I’ll never ask “What could possibly go wrong?” again. :-)
I loved the blooper bit at the end!
How could you ever doubt Jebediah? Of course he would make that landing, regardless of re-entry profile and g-loading. Jebediah is the man.
Never be in mid drink during a Manly landing... you’ll most definitely choke from sudden outbursts of laughter
I love in one of the failed attempts Valentina's expression: "Crap crap crap crap... I'm alive? I'M ALIVE!"
That blooper reel is only second to the one Spacex released a while ago using actual rockets
Good news folks, the guy who made Tundra exploriaton mod is currently working in the new bfr design! He said that it could be ready by the end of this month
Haha love the bloopers. Another great video!
AMAZING VIDEO! I hope you will make a lot of kOS/kRPC videos in the future
You shall definitely do another KSP series!
ok that music + ksp + bits explodeing and I thought for a moment I'd warped into a danny video once you got done talking.
New ksp video from Scott? Yes please!
Any landing that you survive is a good landing. So, those where all successful landings.
I really like the last one down the mountain.
Capsule : Look ! I'm a wheel ! I can roll down that mountain slope !
Crew : We are going to get sick. We ARE sick.
Hahaha! Beautiful endings, man! A little hot...a little hard...a little crunchy...great vid!
That last one has to be the worst way to die. I don't think I want to be on the BFS Moon ride at all
You completed my past year of ksp fumbling thank you
The transformation from plane to virus mode looks really cool
Rolling Capsule. Most entertaining crash of your UA-cam career thus far!
I love how you go the extra miles to try it as "real" as possible, you're the real Rocket Man...ley!
my eye always gets drawn to their faces when something goes wrong. KSP wouldn't be KSP without those images of the kerbals
This was an accurate glimpse into the future at the end 🤣
The folding surfaces remind me of Burt Rutan's Feathering on SpaceShipOne and Two. Except scaled up for orbital speed and a really big Falcon ship.
I always use SAS in Radial Out mode when I'm close the ground and want to make sure that any over thrust does not cause a flip or unwanted vector change. Looks like this may have helped in some of the failed landings :)
Whenever I'm trying to land some weird contraption and I'm not sure how the thrust is going to work out, I find it is helpful to go into Mechjeb's SmartASS and set my attitude control to "UP" once I get my horizontal speed under control, so it doesn't try and flip around if I accidentally go into a hover.
I expected to see Indiana Kerbal step out of the capsule in that last one.😁
Yay a new KSP vid from Scott Manley!
Certainly enjoyed the "Fail" music. :)
Scott, I think you might have more luck if you reduced the drag on the rear control surfaces by folding them "forward/down" (anhedral in appearance; directions on a rocket are hard) rather then "aft/up" (dihedral in appearance) as you seem to have them configured. If you review the SpaceX video, as the craft transitions from predominantly forward flight to "falling with style", you can see that the SpaceX rendering is folding these surfaces "forward/down". I think the difficulty you were running into was as you fold the rear control surfaces aft/up you effectively increase the tail fin surface area and introduce more of the roll instability that you were fighting. Folding these surfaces forward/down would move the center of lift/drag more central as well which would probably make it more stable.
Well at least all the crashes were survivable... Nice song choice btw it was very interesting.
and whow, those kerbals got some stomach control, i would have puked after riding a rolling cabin for so long xD
That was epic beyond words
Finally, music Kerbal enough for KSP.
I think the way EJ_SA is creating his actioned wings would impress you Scott :D
The memory of Danny lives on
You had all of those crashes because you never said fly safe.
Finaly oh kerbals how i missed you, keep it up scott
that last fail would be freakin horrifying to be on, and deadly, no way anyone could survive the g-forces involved in that, including the Big Fucking Stage.
The new BFR/BFS design commits what Kerbal has taught me is a cardinal sin. Those drag surfaces on BFS may move center of drag ahead of CoM making it unstable during launch. I would be more amazed if you made a video of this launching to orbit with flipping and becoming uncontrollable.
Principia mod I just found out is updated! You should totally do a video on it!
They REALLY need to make it possible to have a Kerbal vomit in their helmet. Especially that last attempt.
1:35 "still has quite a few bugs" It wouldn't be cutting-edge KERBAL SCIENCE if it didn't.
I got so excited because I thought this meant that the advanced fly by wire mod was finally working. apparently not .
The pucker factor isn't from an engine out, it's from the prospect of having to hand fly and land that contraption if the autopilot fails.
Could be possible to blow a hole in the side for the passengers to bail out of with parachutes at a few thousand feet. That would be quite exciting...
I hope SpaceX will release *their* blooper reel og BFR's test flights. And landings.
Awesome to see you getting this to work! Is fly-by-wire systems something the Kerbal is going to add?
Enjoyed watching all those RUDs😜!!!
Nice carousel down the hill :-)
what if. Disable wings posiotioning BFR after engines take place? To many variables = to many failed attempts...
Doesn't BFS stand for big falcon ship?
Nicely done though, looks like a pain in the ass.
Daniel Jensen it stands for big fucking shit
Nobody but Ars calls it "falcon" ship.
Scott said "big falcon stage", that's what I'm questioning. I'm aware of the double meaning of the f.
Big Fucking/Falcon Spaceship
I really want to know now how survivable that capsule spinning down a hill situation actually is. I would assume not particularly, but I'd kinda like to see some math on what woudl kill the crew first. :)
Love your KSP videos. Curious to know if you plan on reviewing the upcoming exploration changes in Elite Dangerous either during or after open beta period.
I already know that this is going to be interesting.
Why would there be more subtlety than them being airbrakes? They’re trying to reduce speed using drag instead of rocket fuel. They saw the Bugatti and said, “hey thats cool”.
Some lucky Kerbals at the end of that video!!!!
EJSA is working on getting his to work using stock parts and no mods. It's coming along but it's extremely difficult and going to take a long time to get right.
Hullo Scott, here is a suggestion for a video, how does navigational systems works in spacecrafts, for example, I know how the artificial horizon sort of works for aircraft, and even that inertial something resembles something more like the actual navball. But what how spacecraft can determine their prograde and momentum velocities, orbits and whatnot, you know, these easy info we take for granted on KSP.
there's a channel called " vintage space" that covers just that!
So a question. The whole belly flop maneuver that the Starship is going to do. How many G's is it going to pull when it does the flip and burn right before landing? That's going to be a crazy ride for the folks on it.
I know this is old and there are probably updates that help with this but SimpleRockets2 is perfect for doing things like this. There aren’t many different parts but they are all very modular and you can shape them any way you want. Creating Starship on there is much easier and it looks much better too