Probably a lot of factors, but the bigger one is how newer generations grow up with a bombardment of negative content on their feeds and we're more online than ever, whereas for us older furs, things like TikTok didn't even exist when we started. Negativity bias unfortunately tends to win out (for very silly reasons that date back to primitive times) and that gets people to click. That's not to say those topics shouldn't be discussed, but negativity bias tends to win a lot more these days and as such, that content often gets pushed to the top of suggestions. I don't think it's exclusive to the furry fandom either. Niche online spaces are exploding in growth thanks to a surge in social media usage during the height of the pandemic. In any case, it's not healthy to constantly consume this type of content, same thing can be said about toxic positivity. We should be aware of the bigger problems, but not let that type of content consume us either.
@@StormiFolf I agree with you fully. IDK what happened to the wholesome content the fandom is famous for here on UA-cam that’s dying. I know you seem to keep the tradition of positivity in your content and that’s what I like you for. And yeah there is a quote I like to mention out of a song by a Croatian band called Baby Lasagna: “don’t hate yourself but don’t love yourself too much”. Which is an unwritten rule of life.
Remember when furry drama was literally just people yelling about furry drama? Now it's actual drama. I almost miss the old days where the worst drama was literally just two people who didn't like each other and everyone telling them to shut the hell up.
@@BruzoDragonius Yeah.. there's a reason I've been expanding into Furry Twitch. A lot of old faces there I used to see on furry youtube. They left a while ago. So many of us are burned out from overworking ourselves getting out quality content, staying above all the drama bait noise. I'm not leaving Furry UA-cam, but my content will be switching over to deep dive topics going forward.
It reminds me of when Majira reacted to TikTok years ago and his reaction was "The hell is TikTok??". But yeah, people nowadays are terminally online to the point where their perspectives have been twisted and often react like the whole world should be exactly as read about online
I've gotten a lot of negative content in my recommend and I find that when I watch that stuff, I don't feel as happy as when I watch the positive videos. It definitely takes more creativity and care to make positive content. We gotta bring the happy, funny videos back!
It should hit hard because you work so hard to highlight so many great stories, furries, and things worth applauding, yet people will devour negative rage bait content only to then say "why is everyone so negative?"
A lot of problems have been unaddressed within the fandom. One of those being on the outside, toxic positivity(yes you did mention it in this video) is easy to spot, but the person actually committing it tends to miss the underlying reasons why their behavior is bad, so they continue to do it. This replicates general society's super culture within our subculture. So a positive interactions with one person can be highly negative for another. Another is that when events like kero came around, it broke a lot of people's trust on who can actually do the go lucky happy vibes without having a dark motive (this include breaking creator's social circles). And that sort of dynamic has continued on to the point where it's assumed a popular person will do something bad. Call outs are a mechanism to stay away from danger so that would be a higher priority. Imagination is a tool that helps you avoid danger by creating scenarios in which to train. It's understandable that watch a more positive leaning video will have less info to offer than a negative video that can show the pitfalls to avoid. The problem is not the negativity itself but that people require the tools to solve and detect issues in a meaningful way which allow for a more trustworthy, relaxed, and explorative space. Solve those issues, and silly videos become a higher priority. Also algorithms push more negative content for it's an effective tool to keep people on the platform so skewing negative also means algorithms think it's more viable. But word of mouth is still word of mouth so that type of communication needs to be prioritized for creators, which Twitch social circles seem to be doing well especially with tools like teams.
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I think you're right to pin it on the pandemic, at least in part. A lot of people I know are STILL recovering from the effects of 2020-2022, and I think that 'negative energy' so to speak carried over longer than people realize. I know I was not the only one who had serious psychological struggles during that period, and I know that can manifest itself in what we make and how we behave, sometimes without us even realizing it. I'm not sure what the 'fix' is, but I do know I have felt the energy shifting. Several of my friends have also noted to me that they feel the 'golden age of furry' energy (which seems to refer to the same period you referred to) coming back, and I agree. I think people really just needed time to heal from all the damage of 2020-2022.
Even TikTok creators, from march-April on my TikTok I got hate comment after hate comment I blocked them all but there was a part of me deep down that felt affected by it and felt a bit hurt cause one comment said “bring back bullying” and I have a rough history with bullying from school as a kid but I feel fine now, I never received hate comments until I put on my first dinomask and made content with it.
I agree. And as a creator, I want to focus on positivity but I get trolls. And I get there are those that are no lifers and want to bully people for their own amusement. And sometimes it feels that you want to vent that angst you have towards these haters. It’s part of human nature. But to me, I just don’t pay attention or even turn it into a meme in some of my content.
I don't know what happened. All I DO know is that I can't BEGIN to fathom why people want to watch stuff to make them angry or sad; if I wanted to feel that way, I'd watch the local news.
Hey there, chroniclly online furry here; allow me to put my own spin & thoughts on this. I have been fully invested with the fandom for over 10 years, but I first fully realized what the fandom was around 2008 so I didnt really get involved at it weirded me out at the time. But when i fight joind and saw the likes of Telephone with her video of the fursuit trying to force a dollar bill into the dono bucket I just couldnt help but let out a belly laugh, the kind that leaves your sides aching and you out of breath for a few seconds. That's what started me falling in love with the fandom was how incredibly perfomative & expressive these suits could be! I mean back then magnetic eyelids and other accessories/bonuses were extremely rare so these people HAD to be over dramamtic. But then COVID happened, but that was just the first domino. I still remember the rage and anger I felt when I saw the infamous "_sadists leaks" I was livid! I throughly looked up to Kero and seeing that this whole time he was a disgusting monster made me start to loose faith in the fandom. And then it JUST KEPT GETTING WORSE! It was call out after god damned call out! DHC, Blue [though that wasn't her fault it was just Twitter bein cucks again], Sappho [Just....not even going to get into her], Coyote Lovely, Zcarlo, Following Every Furry VS JT Wusky [this one was just slop], LKothorix VS Genesuis Wolf, The Peacewolf Divorce, Spoktor, Glitch, Neffertity, Everywhere I looked after Kero enraged me and by the time Neff's situation rolled around I threw my hands up and was completely fed up and done with the fandom. I couldn't take the constant call outs; especially from creators I looked up to, though most of the ones mentioned I only knew from their callouts. But then the post COVID political wars happened, once the Geroge Floyyd thing happened it all came collapsing down in a blink! First it was Roe V Wade and then it was litterboxes & furries/therians, and then it was trans people. I am still extremely pessimistic after everything I even got off of twitter & kept my other furry following to just 5 people + the 2 who I became mutes with and we started becoming friends. But, still having even befriended some gross & evil people within the fandom in the past I was still hesitant to get close to these strangers. That was until they both came crying to me about how fed up they were with the state of the world and they needed someone to vent to. 1 audio call and several hours later we're now good friends because we understood all too well just how bad things SUCKEd and still do! Plus it's only getting worse! So in short its a combination of things; grey muzzles getting frustrated and fed up with the fandom & leaving no longer wanting to associate with the "dumpster fire" that it's become, COVID giving people too much free time on their hands making the internet an open book that can no longer close because those same people used all their free time to learn & abuse the system, and political ideologies becoming a heavy & violent war that was just as agonizing online as it was irl. Its now us VS the evangelical conservatives/extremists and many people just arent safe and it tears me and many others apart. So that's what I think happened the ticking timebomb that was the global super power collapsing and the people being online for too long because it finally burst. And trust me Im just as angry and upset about it as you, I wanted this but had I known it'd be this dangerous I just wished I had remained blissfully unaware like I was as a kid.
I’m new to the channel but when you mentioned the what if other communities were treated the way furries were it had me hooked so ima check that next, great video! I’ll check out the next
I don’t get why people seek drama and things that make them mad. I always try to stay away from vids that make me angry. It’s just not good nor healthy for people to focus on negativity
I think that the shift in popular channels to drama content might be a reason why there seems to be more negative content, also the fact that older positive channels stopped making content.
Negativity, callouts, starting fights and drama, all of that tends to get more attention than positivity. The fandom also had a bad case of toxic positivity too, it'll swing back eventually once people get tired of being negative. Toxic positivity and aggressive negativity are easy and profitable. At least, thats my perspective.
Agreed I had to take a few breaks and drifted until I decided to try again. I'm happier than I could've been, I'm 19 but I do want to say this. Be less toxic to each of us and try to branch out more, the amount of furries that are artists or musicians is wild. There are a few that have broken this stereotype. Like the food truck floof. it's neat all I gotta say But yeah... Just be cool.
@@ArlauxWitchdog I agree. And I remember there there is some extreme wokeness in the fandom as there are those that are so anti Trump that they would block and call out people just because they like Donald Trump. But I know that politics like that have no place in the fandom. I’m no fan of Donald Trump and IDC much about American politic but there are those that are too involved in that. And as a creator and as an individual, I say things as is. I’m for honesty rather than positivity. I get the world isn’t as sunshine and rainbows. Not to mention that toxic positivity isn’t healthy. Don’t forget that toxic positivity don’t only exist in the furry fandom but even in pop culture like modern music.
Maybe it’s because I’ve only been watching furry videos for a few months now, but I’ve hardly seen any negative content so far. Most of the the content that I have seen so far mainly consists of fursuit skits (mainly those by Nashoba Azul and Max Borkowski), short animations (especially those by Blackie Sootfur and Generic Purple Protogen), general discussions about the fandom itself (E.G. Solarsaber), and also some of Little Alpha Pup’s inspirational videos. I guess my point being that, even with this rise in popularity for more drama-fueled content, I am still finding no shortage in the more positive content, which I guess is a testament to how positive this fandom truly is, and honestly, let’s try to keep it that way for years to come.
It’s the algorithm all the way. Every time I start watching furry stuff on youtube I get through about 3 videos before the ‘horror stories of the fandom’ start popping out out of random, and it’s always the same utterly miserable anonymous mouthbreather going on and on about some specific individual or making utterly anti-fandom statements like telling people to see a doctor if they’re attracted to animals. Literally what are you doing in this fandom if you aren’t ‘attracted to animals,’ why make your character an animal? I really thought for a second the fandom had grown up and understood that these people tend to be huge hypocrites covering up their own bullshit and generating drama as a cover and diversion to their own shame. But youtube wants to keep furry stuff down and pin it as part of the lgbtq community to be suppressed, so that’s what the algorithm promotes while everyone else just trying to create their own stuff and do actual furry content is essentially removed from existing. I am just about ready to start posting on e621 instead.
I think the problem is that alot of people slap lables on things that are positive and call it toxic positivity and not letting the negitive thoughts go cause it drive them mad and it ggets them in cult like negitive behavior
I want to see more positive content on furry UA-cam. Please keep making the good things! Some of the drama videos are ok, but I don't like how there's so many channels that all follow the same stories all at once. It just makes it clear that there's a thirst for creating content around whatever the newest drama is, without any time to let stories fully play out or get all of the details right.
I haven't been a furry that long but what I've seen so far, people love to make trouble. The fandom has gotten more negative lately and its impacting everyone
I definitely enjoy positive/fun content more. Some of my faves (in no particular order) are Keenora Fluffball, Verplex, JurassicBea, Neffertity, and Birbswings. Public fursuiting and fursuit makers are my biggest go-to topics on UA-cam. I try to watch as much of that stuff as I can in order to get the YT algorithm to push more of that kind of content my way.
Here's is my theory; Post COVID Trauma where we were forced to watch the world (literally) burn. In that time, people were just consumed by the rage and anger of the world. In that time, the algorithm noticed that rage baiting content was doing well, so now content creators have convinced people that the way to be is to be negative about EVERYTHING; the many videos that review a movie that is just mid be called "THE WORST MOVIE EVAH MADE!!!!". And you know what they say, monkey see monkey do. So they just repeat the mindset and repeat the cycle. Also furries need to learn that not everything has to be about rage baiting commentary videos, that if you truly enjoy something, and people are happy, that shouldn't be a call to arms to yell "TOXIC POSITIVITY!!"
I like creators that have a mixed bag of content honestly. I want to know who you are, your thoughts, what makes you happy, things you want to talk about or unpack - not just stare at a fursuit bouncing around, void of anything deeper. I feel líke the tiktok compilation accounts take care of that for the most part. If people don't feel like giving a ton of positive content, they shouldn't be made to feel shame or lesser imo. Like, hear me out, it kind of makes me reminisce on the poodling debate. Fursuiters or creators shouldn't be expected to hold themselves back and tailor their work to you/the fandom just because it might be perceived as the fandom being negative - much like fursuiters shouldn't have to risk heat stroke to avoiding "ruining the magic" as they don't need to exist solely for the consumption and entertainment of the public
All the fandoms, if I'm correct, became hostile. It reminded me a stitch from a tiktoker who asked about how the fandoms are mean for everyone. There was a lot of responses when I looked from the original video.
Honestly HOW did it bomb? I'm looking for more creative and original content thats not just talking about drama on twitter, like beta, nothing wrong with beta but everyones doing that type of content now, either that, or vrchat, and its SPARCE. I MISS good irl furry youtube days, challenges, fun stuff, tier lists even! I hope it gets better..
Kids love negativity. It makes them feel like adults to engage with negative subject matter. And they have the most time to watch youtube, so it gears the algorithm towards negativity. It's also a bang on effect that, unfortunately, people outside the fandom don't feel like they can engage with the positive aspects of the fandom. You know what they can engage with? When the fandom makes a freak show of itself, when we haul out our worst actors and shame them publicly, that's when "the normies' can point and laugh and go "oh man, furries, what is their problem! Why can't they be normal?!" which gets a bigger share of clicks and rewards creators to make those sorts of videos to compete in this algorithmic market.
I completely agree! Positive, wholesome content is hard to come by sometimes... I mean, furries love drama, so I guess thats why those kinda videos get all the views, but there is a point that one reaches when it gets abit ridiculous. Even those of us like me who do videos that don't always include fursuiting, video-views are very hit-and-miss. Some videos I have well over 500 views on, others barely get 20. Can get disheartening sure, but why stop doing something you enjoy? If you didn't enjoy making videos, you wouldn't spend all the time and effort doing it. Needless to say, your effort is very much appreciated by those of us who watch them! *big hugs*
I have a sneaking suspicion that UA-cam or some higher ups somewhere have deemed furry content as "bad for kids" or something because it has bright colors/approachable characters ECT, but also can touch on a lot of mature themes. And so I think the algorithm suppresses furry content because in their eyes it is much the same as "Elsa gate" type content. I could be wrong but that's what it feels like to me.
Drama is typically a lot more interesting to people than just being positive. It's genuinely sad, and I don't think anyone would be able to figure out how to fix it.
I can name about 30+ furry content creators who have hundreds of thousands of fans who have done some of the worst things imaginable. Almost none of them have suffered the consequences of their actions, all because furries want to keep things "positive." Toxic positivity has ruined this community, and I hate it.
Do you think that the format itself is what changed for expectations? I see a lot of positivity on short form content, and critique/drama on longer form like UA-cam, where people can listen to it like the news or a podcast.
I honestly didnt know furry youtube was like that- ;w; But negativity on furries is one thing why I have mental drain on doing what I love, I wanted too do animations but afraid that I will get negative reviews since it is furry related.
i had stop watching someone in fandom because anytime he went to a con he was talking about getting drunk or being drugs and most his content now just livestreams which i hate and it was super boring because they not even wearing suit and talking about furry related i miss days of skits and people cute doing silly stuff
Looks like there is lots of work needed to be done to bring back the positivity with all of the issues that are happening it's often difficult to do something positive for furry content but It's important to not rush take our time and plan out an idea no matter how long it may take everybody get burn out sometimes. So it's ok to take a break for awhile you may interesting inspiration from it and figure something out.
I like both negative and positive content tbh. Negativity isn't so bad, as it tells what is happening currently in the fandom and who to stay away from like the plague. 😬😬 Positivity is just the uplift needed when you aren't having such a great day or you are sick of videos that bring your mood down and you need a break from them for a while. 😌😌
I liked what you had to say in this video very inspiring i think everyone should be positive i mean im very positive and i want to make people happy and like what i have to talk about and im still learning too on how to give more on what people want to see but im just having fun and that what counts the most
I think it’s the politics of today is what causing negativity and the woke call-outs that are draining all this positivity out of UA-cam. And it’s also down to the influence of even non furry content creators we sometimes watch that are mostly political based like Issac Butterfield because UA-camrs in general can’t just pull ideas with a click of a finger. And that too would influence the furry UA-camrs in creating furry news content that is usually full of drama. Now like you, I want to focus on positive content like those furries enjoying various furry conventions but I want to be more relevant to my viewers. Because that is what people want. I mean there are those like Artemis Wishfoot that are mainly tell about things the way they are without going overly woke even though he’s more of a political left leaning creator. Most furries are including me and there is nothing bad about it. But you know Lurks, I know what you mean that we should watch more positive videos like fursuit dancing or if it’s educational content or even con videos.
I'm really tied of seeing callout posts on my YT feed, like maybe some of those individuals deserve and need it but nevertheless it's gross to see these things. It's a consequence of the fandom getting bigger though.
I'm not followed furry youtube or be furry I gues u there is always in anny escape of "normal life" There is not escape of negativity or bad pepole it always get back. But I hope pepole will awake some day and do u don't need worry abaut escaping negativity.
I call out political pundits and prank UA-camrs - I have more fun and more laughs doing that than I do talking about myself or my favorite fursuiters or what have you. I love positive people too! I just have a natural talent for taking pot shots at Fox News hosts.
Mostly watch Thabo, Stormi, Nos and other positive furries. The world is a dark place right now, and I'm very aware of how it looks out there. Being autistic it's so easy getting caught up and just go down a black hole until I can't get out again. So need the positive. I became a furry to get away and just be silly for a while so I can cope with the crap going on
Atifurs pumping out more and more disingenuous videos claiming the community is basically synonymous with the worst of fur affinity isn’t helping much.😒
Drama makes money. Even outside of the furry fandom, drama channels have always gotten popular. The UA-cam algorithm is your master. It wants you to make more drama. That's it. That's the environment.
You didn’t mention a lot of negative UA-camrs are doing call outs on people like diezel whom is openly racist anti trans rhetoric. And. As I have said- if you’re making videos for views and you worry 24/7 about views- maybe it’s time to reassess that. I’m homeless. I’ve attempted things out here to make the pain go away. Where’s that story? No one cares. I do positive vids.
I was going to mention that some callout content is legit. I may have forgotten to say that in the take I ended up using. Sincerely hoping your situation improves, and I do love your positive content!
I agree with most of what you have to say, but "Watch positive content! If you don't like it, watch it on mute!" I'm sorry, but that sounds kind of toxic in itself. That's a polite way of saying: "You don't want to watch this stuff!? Watch it anyway! Give us views!"
What I meant is if you like a content creator and want to support them, but aren't interested in a particular video, you can let it run through on mute. That gives them watch time and helps their channel overall.
I’v noticed a change. I think it has something to do with how fast this fandom is growing. That is great on the one hand butt at the same time it can be bad as well. With growth you’re going to run into more folks who have a tendency to lean towards drama and negativity. I don’t know, it is something that i’v noticed.
Probably a lot of factors, but the bigger one is how newer generations grow up with a bombardment of negative content on their feeds and we're more online than ever, whereas for us older furs, things like TikTok didn't even exist when we started. Negativity bias unfortunately tends to win out (for very silly reasons that date back to primitive times) and that gets people to click. That's not to say those topics shouldn't be discussed, but negativity bias tends to win a lot more these days and as such, that content often gets pushed to the top of suggestions. I don't think it's exclusive to the furry fandom either. Niche online spaces are exploding in growth thanks to a surge in social media usage during the height of the pandemic.
In any case, it's not healthy to constantly consume this type of content, same thing can be said about toxic positivity. We should be aware of the bigger problems, but not let that type of content consume us either.
@@StormiFolf I agree with you fully. IDK what happened to the wholesome content the fandom is famous for here on UA-cam that’s dying. I know you seem to keep the tradition of positivity in your content and that’s what I like you for. And yeah there is a quote I like to mention out of a song by a Croatian band called Baby Lasagna: “don’t hate yourself but don’t love yourself too much”. Which is an unwritten rule of life.
Remember when furry drama was literally just people yelling about furry drama? Now it's actual drama. I almost miss the old days where the worst drama was literally just two people who didn't like each other and everyone telling them to shut the hell up.
@@BruzoDragonius Yeah.. there's a reason I've been expanding into Furry Twitch. A lot of old faces there I used to see on furry youtube. They left a while ago. So many of us are burned out from overworking ourselves getting out quality content, staying above all the drama bait noise. I'm not leaving Furry UA-cam, but my content will be switching over to deep dive topics going forward.
It reminds me of when Majira reacted to TikTok years ago and his reaction was "The hell is TikTok??". But yeah, people nowadays are terminally online to the point where their perspectives have been twisted and often react like the whole world should be exactly as read about online
@@StormiFolf yeah I recognize you! why don’t you unbend me!?
I've gotten a lot of negative content in my recommend and I find that when I watch that stuff, I don't feel as happy as when I watch the positive videos. It definitely takes more creativity and care to make positive content. We gotta bring the happy, funny videos back!
Wow, this video hits harder than I dare to admit! Also, thanks for the shout out. Much appreciated.
It should hit hard because you work so hard to highlight so many great stories, furries, and things worth applauding, yet people will devour negative rage bait content only to then say "why is everyone so negative?"
@@pap64 True! And thank you so much ❤
A lot of problems have been unaddressed within the fandom. One of those being on the outside, toxic positivity(yes you did mention it in this video) is easy to spot, but the person actually committing it tends to miss the underlying reasons why their behavior is bad, so they continue to do it. This replicates general society's super culture within our subculture. So a positive interactions with one person can be highly negative for another. Another is that when events like kero came around, it broke a lot of people's trust on who can actually do the go lucky happy vibes without having a dark motive (this include breaking creator's social circles). And that sort of dynamic has continued on to the point where it's assumed a popular person will do something bad. Call outs are a mechanism to stay away from danger so that would be a higher priority. Imagination is a tool that helps you avoid danger by creating scenarios in which to train. It's understandable that watch a more positive leaning video will have less info to offer than a negative video that can show the pitfalls to avoid. The problem is not the negativity itself but that people require the tools to solve and detect issues in a meaningful way which allow for a more trustworthy, relaxed, and explorative space. Solve those issues, and silly videos become a higher priority. Also algorithms push more negative content for it's an effective tool to keep people on the platform so skewing negative also means algorithms think it's more viable. But word of mouth is still word of mouth so that type of communication needs to be prioritized for creators, which Twitch social circles seem to be doing well especially with tools like teams.
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I think you're right to pin it on the pandemic, at least in part. A lot of people I know are STILL recovering from the effects of 2020-2022, and I think that 'negative energy' so to speak carried over longer than people realize. I know I was not the only one who had serious psychological struggles during that period, and I know that can manifest itself in what we make and how we behave, sometimes without us even realizing it. I'm not sure what the 'fix' is, but I do know I have felt the energy shifting. Several of my friends have also noted to me that they feel the 'golden age of furry' energy (which seems to refer to the same period you referred to) coming back, and I agree. I think people really just needed time to heal from all the damage of 2020-2022.
Im more for postivity than negativity cause sometimes negative comments can make a creator feel a bit upset.
Even TikTok creators, from march-April on my TikTok I got hate comment after hate comment I blocked them all but there was a part of me deep down that felt affected by it and felt a bit hurt cause one comment said “bring back bullying” and I have a rough history with bullying from school as a kid but I feel fine now, I never received hate comments until I put on my first dinomask and made content with it.
I agree. And as a creator, I want to focus on positivity but I get trolls. And I get there are those that are no lifers and want to bully people for their own amusement. And sometimes it feels that you want to vent that angst you have towards these haters. It’s part of human nature. But to me, I just don’t pay attention or even turn it into a meme in some of my content.
REALLY?!?!?! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I don't know what happened. All I DO know is that I can't BEGIN to fathom why people want to watch stuff to make them angry or sad; if I wanted to feel that way, I'd watch the local news.
Hey there, chroniclly online furry here; allow me to put my own spin & thoughts on this.
I have been fully invested with the fandom for over 10 years, but I first fully realized what the fandom was around 2008 so I didnt really get involved at it weirded me out at the time. But when i fight joind and saw the likes of Telephone with her video of the fursuit trying to force a dollar bill into the dono bucket I just couldnt help but let out a belly laugh, the kind that leaves your sides aching and you out of breath for a few seconds. That's what started me falling in love with the fandom was how incredibly perfomative & expressive these suits could be! I mean back then magnetic eyelids and other accessories/bonuses were extremely rare so these people HAD to be over dramamtic.
But then COVID happened, but that was just the first domino. I still remember the rage and anger I felt when I saw the infamous "_sadists leaks" I was livid! I throughly looked up to Kero and seeing that this whole time he was a disgusting monster made me start to loose faith in the fandom. And then it JUST KEPT GETTING WORSE! It was call out after god damned call out! DHC, Blue [though that wasn't her fault it was just Twitter bein cucks again], Sappho [Just....not even going to get into her], Coyote Lovely, Zcarlo, Following Every Furry VS JT Wusky [this one was just slop], LKothorix VS Genesuis Wolf, The Peacewolf Divorce, Spoktor, Glitch, Neffertity, Everywhere I looked after Kero enraged me and by the time Neff's situation rolled around I threw my hands up and was completely fed up and done with the fandom. I couldn't take the constant call outs; especially from creators I looked up to, though most of the ones mentioned I only knew from their callouts.
But then the post COVID political wars happened, once the Geroge Floyyd thing happened it all came collapsing down in a blink! First it was Roe V Wade and then it was litterboxes & furries/therians, and then it was trans people. I am still extremely pessimistic after everything I even got off of twitter & kept my other furry following to just 5 people + the 2 who I became mutes with and we started becoming friends. But, still having even befriended some gross & evil people within the fandom in the past I was still hesitant to get close to these strangers. That was until they both came crying to me about how fed up they were with the state of the world and they needed someone to vent to. 1 audio call and several hours later we're now good friends because we understood all too well just how bad things SUCKEd and still do! Plus it's only getting worse!
So in short its a combination of things; grey muzzles getting frustrated and fed up with the fandom & leaving no longer wanting to associate with the "dumpster fire" that it's become, COVID giving people too much free time on their hands making the internet an open book that can no longer close because those same people used all their free time to learn & abuse the system, and political ideologies becoming a heavy & violent war that was just as agonizing online as it was irl. Its now us VS the evangelical conservatives/extremists and many people just arent safe and it tears me and many others apart.
So that's what I think happened the ticking timebomb that was the global super power collapsing and the people being online for too long because it finally burst. And trust me Im just as angry and upset about it as you, I wanted this but had I known it'd be this dangerous I just wished I had remained blissfully unaware like I was as a kid.
I’m new to the channel but when you mentioned the what if other communities were treated the way furries were it had me hooked so ima check that next, great video! I’ll check out the next
I don’t get why people seek drama and things that make them mad. I always try to stay away from vids that make me angry. It’s just not good nor healthy for people to focus on negativity
I think that the shift in popular channels to drama content might be a reason why there seems to be more negative content, also the fact that older positive channels stopped making content.
Negativity, callouts, starting fights and drama, all of that tends to get more attention than positivity. The fandom also had a bad case of toxic positivity too, it'll swing back eventually once people get tired of being negative. Toxic positivity and aggressive negativity are easy and profitable. At least, thats my perspective.
Agreed I had to take a few breaks and drifted until I decided to try again.
I'm happier than I could've been, I'm 19 but I do want to say this. Be less toxic to each of us and try to branch out more, the amount of furries that are artists or musicians is wild. There are a few that have broken this stereotype. Like the food truck floof. it's neat all I gotta say
But yeah... Just be cool.
I agree with this as well
@@ArlauxWitchdog I agree. And I remember there there is some extreme wokeness in the fandom as there are those that are so anti Trump that they would block and call out people just because they like Donald Trump. But I know that politics like that have no place in the fandom. I’m no fan of Donald Trump and IDC much about American politic but there are those that are too involved in that. And as a creator and as an individual, I say things as is. I’m for honesty rather than positivity. I get the world isn’t as sunshine and rainbows. Not to mention that toxic positivity isn’t healthy. Don’t forget that toxic positivity don’t only exist in the furry fandom but even in pop culture like modern music.
@@BruzoDragonius What is 'wokeness'?
@@ArlauxWitchdog apparently it’s a word meaning extreme left leaning political beliefs.
Maybe it’s because I’ve only been watching furry videos for a few months now, but I’ve hardly seen any negative content so far. Most of the the content that I have seen so far mainly consists of fursuit skits (mainly those by Nashoba Azul and Max Borkowski), short animations (especially those by Blackie Sootfur and Generic Purple Protogen), general discussions about the fandom itself (E.G. Solarsaber), and also some of Little Alpha Pup’s inspirational videos. I guess my point being that, even with this rise in popularity for more drama-fueled content, I am still finding no shortage in the more positive content, which I guess is a testament to how positive this fandom truly is, and honestly, let’s try to keep it that way for years to come.
It’s the algorithm all the way. Every time I start watching furry stuff on youtube I get through about 3 videos before the ‘horror stories of the fandom’ start popping out out of random, and it’s always the same utterly miserable anonymous mouthbreather going on and on about some specific individual or making utterly anti-fandom statements like telling people to see a doctor if they’re attracted to animals. Literally what are you doing in this fandom if you aren’t ‘attracted to animals,’ why make your character an animal? I really thought for a second the fandom had grown up and understood that these people tend to be huge hypocrites covering up their own bullshit and generating drama as a cover and diversion to their own shame. But youtube wants to keep furry stuff down and pin it as part of the lgbtq community to be suppressed, so that’s what the algorithm promotes while everyone else just trying to create their own stuff and do actual furry content is essentially removed from existing. I am just about ready to start posting on e621 instead.
I think the problem is that alot of people slap lables on things that are positive and call it toxic positivity and not letting the negitive thoughts go cause it drive them mad and it ggets them in cult like negitive behavior
I want to see more positive content on furry UA-cam. Please keep making the good things! Some of the drama videos are ok, but I don't like how there's so many channels that all follow the same stories all at once. It just makes it clear that there's a thirst for creating content around whatever the newest drama is, without any time to let stories fully play out or get all of the details right.
I haven't been a furry that long but what I've seen so far, people love to make trouble. The fandom has gotten more negative lately and its impacting everyone
been seeing more vids about positivity, honestly great to see
I definitely enjoy positive/fun content more. Some of my faves (in no particular order) are Keenora Fluffball, Verplex, JurassicBea, Neffertity, and Birbswings. Public fursuiting and fursuit makers are my biggest go-to topics on UA-cam. I try to watch as much of that stuff as I can in order to get the YT algorithm to push more of that kind of content my way.
Here's is my theory; Post COVID Trauma where we were forced to watch the world (literally) burn. In that time, people were just consumed by the rage and anger of the world. In that time, the algorithm noticed that rage baiting content was doing well, so now content creators have convinced people that the way to be is to be negative about EVERYTHING; the many videos that review a movie that is just mid be called "THE WORST MOVIE EVAH MADE!!!!". And you know what they say, monkey see monkey do. So they just repeat the mindset and repeat the cycle.
Also furries need to learn that not everything has to be about rage baiting commentary videos, that if you truly enjoy something, and people are happy, that shouldn't be a call to arms to yell "TOXIC POSITIVITY!!"
I like creators that have a mixed bag of content honestly. I want to know who you are, your thoughts, what makes you happy, things you want to talk about or unpack - not just stare at a fursuit bouncing around, void of anything deeper. I feel líke the tiktok compilation accounts take care of that for the most part. If people don't feel like giving a ton of positive content, they shouldn't be made to feel shame or lesser imo.
Like, hear me out, it kind of makes me reminisce on the poodling debate. Fursuiters or creators shouldn't be expected to hold themselves back and tailor their work to you/the fandom just because it might be perceived as the fandom being negative - much like fursuiters shouldn't have to risk heat stroke to avoiding "ruining the magic" as they don't need to exist solely for the consumption and entertainment of the public
All the fandoms, if I'm correct, became hostile. It reminded me a stitch from a tiktoker who asked about how the fandoms are mean for everyone.
There was a lot of responses when I looked from the original video.
I’m not negative anymore I’m positive now because I became a furry last month! 🐾🇺🇸
Hey, welcome to our community! Hope you stick around and have fun :3
Honestly HOW did it bomb? I'm looking for more creative and original content thats not just talking about drama on twitter, like beta, nothing wrong with beta but everyones doing that type of content now, either that, or vrchat, and its SPARCE. I MISS good irl furry youtube days, challenges, fun stuff, tier lists even! I hope it gets better..
The world needs positivity right now, for a community so silly and unique, why is it so negative? I definitely enjoyed this video!
Kids love negativity. It makes them feel like adults to engage with negative subject matter. And they have the most time to watch youtube, so it gears the algorithm towards negativity. It's also a bang on effect that, unfortunately, people outside the fandom don't feel like they can engage with the positive aspects of the fandom. You know what they can engage with? When the fandom makes a freak show of itself, when we haul out our worst actors and shame them publicly, that's when "the normies' can point and laugh and go "oh man, furries, what is their problem! Why can't they be normal?!" which gets a bigger share of clicks and rewards creators to make those sorts of videos to compete in this algorithmic market.
I completely agree! Positive, wholesome content is hard to come by sometimes... I mean, furries love drama, so I guess thats why those kinda videos get all the views, but there is a point that one reaches when it gets abit ridiculous.
Even those of us like me who do videos that don't always include fursuiting, video-views are very hit-and-miss. Some videos I have well over 500 views on, others barely get 20. Can get disheartening sure, but why stop doing something you enjoy?
If you didn't enjoy making videos, you wouldn't spend all the time and effort doing it. Needless to say, your effort is very much appreciated by those of us who watch them! *big hugs*
I have a sneaking suspicion that UA-cam or some higher ups somewhere have deemed furry content as "bad for kids" or something because it has bright colors/approachable characters ECT, but also can touch on a lot of mature themes. And so I think the algorithm suppresses furry content because in their eyes it is much the same as "Elsa gate" type content. I could be wrong but that's what it feels like to me.
Me: "Video Games music"
Views: ...
Me: "Animation"
Views: ...
Me: "Original Song"
Views: ...
Me: *sigh* "Five Nights at Freddys"
Views: $$$
Me: "Minecraft"
Views: $$$
Me: "Fortnight"
Views: $$$
Me: "I like pooltoys"
Views: 💩
Me: *sigh* "Problem about furry cons"
Views: $$$
Drama is typically a lot more interesting to people than just being positive. It's genuinely sad, and I don't think anyone would be able to figure out how to fix it.
Even jacksepticeye has talked about this in his most recent video titled Help. Its happening to the whole world/internet, it's really depressing. :(
I can name about 30+ furry content creators who have hundreds of thousands of fans who have done some of the worst things imaginable. Almost none of them have suffered the consequences of their actions, all because furries want to keep things "positive."
Toxic positivity has ruined this community, and I hate it.
Do you think that the format itself is what changed for expectations? I see a lot of positivity on short form content, and critique/drama on longer form like UA-cam, where people can listen to it like the news or a podcast.
I honestly didnt know furry youtube was like that- ;w; But negativity on furries is one thing why I have mental drain on doing what I love, I wanted too do animations but afraid that I will get negative reviews since it is furry related.
i had stop watching someone in fandom because anytime he went to a con he was talking about getting drunk or being drugs and most his content now just livestreams which i hate and it was super boring because they not even wearing suit and talking about furry related i miss days of skits and people cute doing silly stuff
Looks like there is lots of work needed to be done to bring back the positivity with all of the issues that are happening it's often difficult to do something positive for furry content but It's important to not rush take our time and plan out an idea no matter how long it may take everybody get burn out sometimes. So it's ok to take a break for awhile you may interesting inspiration from it and figure something out.
We need more positivity in general! Fur real!
I like both negative and positive content tbh.
Negativity isn't so bad, as it tells what is happening currently in the fandom and who to stay away from like the plague. 😬😬
Positivity is just the uplift needed when you aren't having such a great day or you are sick of videos that bring your mood down and you need a break from them for a while. 😌😌
I liked what you had to say in this video very inspiring i think everyone should be positive i mean im very positive and i want to make people happy and like what i have to talk about and im still learning too on how to give more on what people want to see but im just having fun and that what counts the most
I think it’s the politics of today is what causing negativity and the woke call-outs that are draining all this positivity out of UA-cam. And it’s also down to the influence of even non furry content creators we sometimes watch that are mostly political based like Issac Butterfield because UA-camrs in general can’t just pull ideas with a click of a finger. And that too would influence the furry UA-camrs in creating furry news content that is usually full of drama. Now like you, I want to focus on positive content like those furries enjoying various furry conventions but I want to be more relevant to my viewers. Because that is what people want. I mean there are those like Artemis Wishfoot that are mainly tell about things the way they are without going overly woke even though he’s more of a political left leaning creator. Most furries are including me and there is nothing bad about it. But you know Lurks, I know what you mean that we should watch more positive videos like fursuit dancing or if it’s educational content or even con videos.
Thanks ! I was feeling the same ! I need to do that alot ! ☺️ !
I'm really tied of seeing callout posts on my YT feed, like maybe some of those individuals deserve and need it but nevertheless it's gross to see these things. It's a consequence of the fandom getting bigger though.
I wonder how much drama could be reduced if people stopped pursuing online relationships.
"Countless others" me awkwardly staring at Verplex
I WANT more positive content, so keep up the good (and positive!) work!! 🥰
This is the first video I see on your UA-cam channel and the first thought had me like "dang he sounds like Mordecai from Regular Show".
How about this they won't do any kind of furwalk in Chicago due to threats that have been made.
I'm not followed furry youtube or be furry I gues u there is always in anny escape of "normal life" There is not escape of negativity or bad pepole it always get back.
But I hope pepole will awake some day and do u don't need worry abaut escaping negativity.
really great video, your channel seriously deserves more views and subs
Furry youtube used to be the place to escape from mainstream toxicity and drama, why are we becoming it as well?
I call out political pundits and prank UA-camrs - I have more fun and more laughs doing that than I do talking about myself or my favorite fursuiters or what have you. I love positive people too! I just have a natural talent for taking pot shots at Fox News hosts.
The algorithm rewards slop because it's rapid and easy to make. It's literally making everyone bitter.
Mostly watch Thabo, Stormi, Nos and other positive furries. The world is a dark place right now, and I'm very aware of how it looks out there. Being autistic it's so easy getting caught up and just go down a black hole until I can't get out again. So need the positive. I became a furry to get away and just be silly for a while so I can cope with the crap going on
What happened to jib Cody he was very cool he was my fav👍
random comment but is that a sherbert keychain in the background? i really like sherbert shenanigans1
Yep! I bought one from her at MFF a few years back.
@@RLFurryProductions sick!! shes really nice
Atifurs pumping out more and more disingenuous videos claiming the community is basically synonymous with the worst of fur affinity isn’t helping much.😒
Drama makes money. Even outside of the furry fandom, drama channels have always gotten popular. The UA-cam algorithm is your master. It wants you to make more drama. That's it. That's the environment.
I absolutely would want to make positive videos!
I think what caused this is Twitter users being way too politically motivated
I was about to watch a Serbian and mad Albanian go at each other on CSGO. But this came up instead wtf?
I enjoy your videos 😊utube has changed it sucks😢
You didn’t mention a lot of negative UA-camrs are doing call outs on people like diezel whom is openly racist anti trans rhetoric.
And. As I have said- if you’re making videos for views and you worry 24/7 about views- maybe it’s time to reassess that.
I’m homeless. I’ve attempted things out here to make the pain go away. Where’s that story? No one cares. I do positive vids.
I was going to mention that some callout content is legit. I may have forgotten to say that in the take I ended up using. Sincerely hoping your situation improves, and I do love your positive content!
In a nutshell...sign of the times.
i like the video and all cool Furry 🙂 ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I agree with most of what you have to say, but "Watch positive content! If you don't like it, watch it on mute!" I'm sorry, but that sounds kind of toxic in itself.
That's a polite way of saying: "You don't want to watch this stuff!? Watch it anyway! Give us views!"
What I meant is if you like a content creator and want to support them, but aren't interested in a particular video, you can let it run through on mute. That gives them watch time and helps their channel overall.
Potato 🥔
I’v noticed a change. I think it has something to do with how fast this fandom is growing. That is great on the one hand butt at the same time it can be bad as well. With growth you’re going to run into more folks who have a tendency to lean towards drama and negativity. I don’t know, it is something that i’v noticed.