MARY SUE - Terrible Writing Advice
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In a way, a Mary Sue is the ultimate flaw because it’s probably the worst trait a character can have in a story.
Ironic isn't it?
Henlow Schmitty it’s not the worst trait of the character it’s the worst trait of the story
I'm waiting for some meta story about a character grappling with the struggles of being a Mary Sue in someone's story.
@@JakubWaniek that would be something like Saitama , but way more multidimensional , Saitama is bored because he succede in his only objective wich is fighting , a mary sue would succede in every minute task , eventually she/he would probably change her plans in hindsight to fail at something , yeah i wanted to crack that egg on the floor too bad i accidentally made a cake , but then they would get more and more delusional , they would stop seeing their reality in a coerent way , to bad they are the reality , their mary suenees bends the narrative to their favor making them doubt about their realness , and in the end thei would just realise they where a youtube comment all along
In a way, a lot of flawed characters are perfect as they are, just as a lot of real people are. It’s just when the definition of perfect comes from shallow goals and visions, it really frustrates people. I’ve seen enough of Brene Brown TED talk and books to confirm her psychology research that the more vulnerability shown, the more likeable you become.
Don't forget the one flaw that all Mary Sues have
*being clumsy*
Clumsy is sexy, right?
And somehow all clumsy acts coincidentally lead into a success such as meeting her crush or accidentally stopping an evil plan.
The Peribooty Um Yep! Uh so um... *Sigh* Why did I watch this?
Skezeks Skybreaker but how does my characters clumsyness leads her to fail at shit
Clumpsy isn't even good looking lol. I'm clumsy and I look like a fool
"Makes her wear dresses or go to school" those monsters.
@Best of Bandana lot of women through history... And me.
@Best of Bandana I live in middle Europe, we have temperatures from -10 degrees to 35 degrees and for each of them you can wear a perfectly comfortable dress. For lower temperatures you just need thick tights, for example knitted ones. For higher dress is actually more comfortable than pants. I of course don't wear dresses all the time, but it isn't a wear only for ocassions for me. I just like dresses and don't find them uncomfortable. Hundreds of generations before us also didn't most of the time. In some regions of the world even men wore kind of dresses instead of pants.
@DraKaleel 18 no... I've never said that? I just say I like wearing dresses and that dresses aren't uncomfortable. No tank tops, no baggy pants actually... (Ok, I have one baggy pants, but I didn't even mentioned them)
@Best of Bandana Yes, I guess... Where are you from, BTW?
Yeah. But I don’t really understand why she can’t just wear shorts or trousers or leggings or any other form of lower-body clothing. Can someone explain to me why her dressing non-femininely is an issue?
"Half dragon, half vampire, half angel, half elven princess "
Literally every cliche gacha hated child ever
0/10, not enough halving. Even Voldemort did more halving.
How dare thou summon tha lord!??
@@catytailex I mean, Voldemort halved himself at least seven times. You only did it four times.
I know
4(1/2)
=4/2
=2
Quick maffs
Every wattpad author: *WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN*
Underrated comment😂
Nice name
O u c h.
damn your calling me out. Now i gotta go fix the two wattpad stories i have made that nobody reads
@@meteorenn3831 Lmao, same. Guilty. As. Charged. 😌💅 Gotta fix my long ass story now....
Also, why does 1:15 to 1:37 explain Chiaki from Danganronpa so accurately---
Hollywood writing female protagonist. And remember kids, the only flaws she can have are the ones that make her *_quirky_*
Oh no! She can read OnO! And she doesn't like girly things therefore doesn't get along with girls ;_;
Oh god captain marvel
Jerimiah Saulsberry what
@@jaytheadept7785 this aint it chief
Captain marvel is the maryest or Mary Sues. Cause g-d forbid Bree Larson doesn’t get to be admired like a fucking deity
Mary Sue: *dies*
Comic relief character: Z A P P E R S
KT Zone CR dude: Zippers zappers corpses make me wanna FAPPERS
Zappers! My jokes really knock 'em dead! Zappers!
But she can't die! We need her for the sequel! Let's just make up some hokey story that the one who died was a body double or something.
it's funny, when ironic tho
Duolingo Bird, uh oh, did Mary Sue forget her Spanish lessons, good flaw to include.
And she has to be “unpopular” and have bullies
Hannah Baker*
But she’s also popular at the same time
@@blazer3756 Hannah Baker*
But you don’t see anyone bullying her.
@@blazer3756 She's also new to the school somehow
OH! And don't forget to name her with the prettiest and most unique names u could think of!
Lucette Emelaigne Avory Rose Arraivalon del Livienne
Ghenesa Paulma One of my OCs has a super long name but I did it for comedy purposes as she takes herself way too seriously but has a cringe name.
Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way
Or... Luna
Or just Alex/Alice.
@@valhatan3907 and Alex is good choice for Mary Sue's True Lover too!
Having a Mary Sue is a fun thing when you write a private story that will never see the light of day.
Crystal Yes exactly there isn't anything necessarily wrong about Mary Sues, so long as it's in light humor and not something someone wants to seriously adapt. 👍
What Char said. XD As long as you don't try to publish that monstrosity, you're good.
I have a Gary Stu character that I like to torture for fun. It actually got me depressed for a while. But then I just thought up new horrible things to do and felt better.
I think maniacal Sims players like myself can relate to that. XD
A truly creative writer can do both simultaneously..~
Besides, it's just an outlet. At least, I would hope so.
"Cheap"
"Lazy"
"Spending time watching youtube rather than writing"
I feel attacked
Hey, are you too _heroically_ watching UA-cam? That's *great,* we would make a *perfect* team! Let's go hang out in our *awesomeness.*
*Hello There*
Y/meIRL
OK...now we will kick you to...Isekai XD
Zenitsu Agatsuma you better have typed this whilst thinking of the Obi Wan Kenobi Scene 😂
You know what? I'd like to read the story with character being a total Mary Sue. Not only stunningly beautiful, cute, sweet, good-natured, smart, being a half dragon, angel, vampire, vulcan and whatever you want. Exept that she would be an antagonist of the story.
It would be the same thing, except the protags would get destroyed instead of the antags.
I want to see a story with a Mary Sue so self-absorbed and out of touch with reality that she doesn't notice that everyone on her team is so annoyed by her and they try to save the world while she creates needless problems, thinking they'll forgive her because she's just too perfect. They don't, and she isn't.
@@hiagain1463 This is a good idea, honestly!
@@PaulinhaHanekawa Unless protagonist would take advantage of the moment in which Mary Sue would be giving her monologue.
Ill write it!
This dude just named like 90% of gacha main characters.
*DESTRUCTION*
Well, yeah. True.
The only personality trait(most of them)have is that they like food
@@no-do4pv most of them also aim to be "quirky and rebellious"
“Is the character doing bad things, make the villain just do even worse things so that our protagonist still seems good!”
Dont forget to call her wolfie, give her depression, make her short, and make sure she loves cookies!
1:29 "Cares too much" and "Too kind and selfless" can be a legitimate flaw in good writers' hands... but those who write Mary Sue are not good writers.
I agree when written well these character flaws could work such as having a character that is too idealistic or having Chronic Hero Syndrome
Also FINALLY AN INTELLIGENT COMMENT ON THIS VIDEO!
Theoretically, when "written well" can't anything be a good story?
Being too kind is a flaw when the character doesn't stand up for herself, or she helps people to the point of being constantly stressed and having no time for herself. Also it can cause her not to understand why people may want to be left alone.
Edit: I said her, but it can also apply to guys of course
Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible movies.
Makes me think of Shirou from Fate/stay Night. Not that I would call Nasu a good writer...
This sounds like every cliche romance story protagonist on Wattpad. Practically all werewolf romances.
Or the characters on most of the Episode stories
Gacha stories made by 5 year olds: FOOLS
@@exammole4545 i love making gacha and play the actual game too but im staying away from those satanic kids
@@KazuhaEien So true lmao
Don't forget BTS ones
I remember in 3rd grade I wrote this story called "diary of a lucky girl" and it was the most Mary sue story i had ever heard. In one page/day the only thing that happens is the principal calls her into the office and gives her $100 000 000 for literally no reason. The only time she faces a problem is when she gets kidnapped by her enemies and tied to a bomb, but LUCKILY it started raining and that put out the fire/spark thingy on the rope of the TNT and her mom is a cop so she arrested them
Bruh
Perfect anime plot.
Omg that's hilarious
I actually want to read this
𝗢𝗻𝗲 𝗽𝘂𝗻𝗰𝗵 𝗺𝗮𝗻: 𝑲𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒆𝒅𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏
If a Mary sue is liked by everyone, then why does abusive parents and villains exist?
Plot requires it.
2:32
Because she's misunderstood. They are always misunderstood.
Because their jealous of her!
@@leonardchurch5199 nononononononono thats feminists
You forgot the most important part!
The L O V E T R I A N G L E ! ! !
@Nadiah Basri
No, it's more like a dodecahedron.
@@0riginal_zer030 it's ramiel from Evangelion, an always changing geometrically screaming octahedron
@@deathblade2639 its a tesseract.
Proceeds to come up with more and more elaborate shapes
Its an elongated square bi pyramid.
Ok, seriously, good idea for a character:
Regular person who thinks they’re a Mary Sue (or even an actual one), but everyone else doesn’t care about them and hates them or pretends like they don’t exist and all of their actual talents are hidden behind a thick veil of narcissism.
Beautiful. You gave me the most beautiful idea everr
If you remove regular person and put god, that's basically Aqua from Konosuba.
Thanks I’m going to use this and say it’s my original idea lol
Jk
Yes
A lot of side characters are like that already for comic relief and for the auidence to ignore/forget them and poke fun at them
This is all of the "Hated child becomes a hybrid princess." Stories in Gacha Life
Well that explains every Gacha related comment I've seen.
Yep
@Kaleela Edwards don't ask, otherwise you'll fall down a deep dark hole that you can't escape
The accuracy in this I-
Back then, that sh*t was famous in 2018.
"Just scrub all your flaws away and make your character an idealized version of yourself"
*Turn himself into a woman*
...
Hmmmm
Because women are prettier as man.^^
Actually I did end up doing that partially with one of my protags when I found out that a certain set of traits would better work on an MC that would be younger than me and not my gender
boobees are betr than pepe
seksest11111
Orion lol
_I am the complete opposite of perfect_
_My name is Mary sue_
(No joke my name is Mary Sue)
You will probably gain god level status everything later on
Remember me when you'll became a god
Lol
Oh no she’s becoming too powerful
HOW?!
I’d love to see a film made where the main character is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu and, as they overcome every obstacle they encounter, grow arrogant overtime with others becoming irritated by their bloated sense of self. It eventually ends with the other characters having to fight the Mary Sue/Gary Stu, who has slowly become the antagonist.
I’d also accept one where a character is so OP he’s bored and endlessly hoping for a challenge in life, but One Punch Man’s already done that.
Death Note maybe?
More or less, this happens with the Main Character.
Nicholas Eickman this is literally Star Wars with Anakin
@@hellothere2464 but anakin was never op or a gary stu
@@Fizz-Q he WAS a "chosen one" though.
@@hdckighfkvhvgmk yes but anakin in the clone wars was defeated uncountable times
How about an Anti Sue:
A character that has every flaw that exists, is hated by everyone else, never succeeds at anything and yet manages to avoid death time and time again due to divine intervention.
So me playing the sims
But bending the plot so they get their way makes them as much of a Mary Sue as their beautiful, loved, hyper-competent version...
smells like naruto
@@renard6012 they shouldn't get their way though, they just suffer and every minor success something massive goes wrong, like their girlfriend permanently dying or civil war breaking out.
Dammit that looks like my character in DnD
Even Death doesnt like him
But if I remove all my flaws, I barely have any personality left.....
exactly
StarCrush27 come on don't you have a tragic backstory. It's all you need since backstories and character development are obviously the same thing. Like I don't know lets use something simple something that everyone knows and can relate to like: your parents are dead and that's why you know God-death-style Kung fu.
... wait your parents are alive and you don't know god-death-style kung fu. I guess your life is easier then mine.
Perfect for a Mary Sue! they don't need any discernable character, so long as they have awesome powers!
You made laught really hard at 1 am and wake everyone at home. I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY
I was joking.
*when you realize that your oc that you wrote so hard not to be a mary sue is literally a mary sue*
@Sally Nathalia my rhs2 oc was an edgy 17 year old demon complete with a few of the things every bad rper puts in bios
I still regret makimg a sans rip off character.
Thank god i updated him
Emma DiIenno I know right? My first character was an attempt at not being a mary sue, but she was pretty damn close to being one.
Luckily for me I used no creativity in my OCs so there wasnt a mary sue. I literally just mashed characters I liked together. And if that doesnt count good news I didnt even develop my other characters almost at all. Yay
@007tempest I read paper man like the Pepsi man theme
"Half demon"
"Half angel"
"Half dragon"
"Half princess"
I don't think that's how fractions work
If you take half of each of those creatures and glue it together with Contrivium, it does.
Uncle Jrue just ignore the fact that in the grim dark episode it was confirmed that contrivium was made up of “ground up widows”
Manbearpig would like to know your location
@@floskywalker6220 Hey let's be honest, unless the widows are in the love triangle they aren't going to be seen for the rest of the story.
Thats what Ichigo kurosaki on Bleach is, except he is half shinigami, half Quincy, half hollow, half human
Ah yes, the ancient prophecy:
*"I predict this story will suck"*
_Aka the prophecy of Wattpad_
Wattpad manager you know those needle in a hay stack crossover stories that don't have your name Last name and self insert and actually take a carecter from another story as the mc
Instead of taking a god like carecters powers putting them inside a oc which is basically
The disguised author self insert Mary Sue or Gary stu which is further disguised as y/n l/n
Wattpad assistant yes?
Wattpad manager make them a needle in the ocean by removing them from search engines or putting them in the last page of google crome
Wattpad assistant I-i see , so what about those yn ln self insert low effort mary sue Gary stu
Storys
Wattpad manager fill the front page to the brimm with them
Well dang. Here I thought I was a good writer; guess I need to reevaluate
I like wattpad
Wattpad has good stories too, just that its VERY VERY rare
It’s even worse when it’s a good story but never gets updated again
Everyone don’t lie your first Oc was a Mary Sue.
Edit: damn y’all really telling me about y’alls oc you made 8 years ago.
I will admit, mine was close to that. It was more of a self-insert. And OP.
Yep. I admit. My first OC was probably one of the worst Mary Sues ever (bad colors, self insert, perfect, Princess, etc..) I did improve that OC though and use them for roleplaying.
Mine was a furry Mary Sue self-insert. I was 8 or 9 at the time, I'm suprised I didn't tell everyone I knew about it.
Mine was kind of a self insert.
I don't like the character but the concept could kinda work. She was like an action/fantasy videogame character but in the real world, with all the dramatic dialogue, the magic sword and respawning. So the people kinda had to deal with her.
I didn't really know where to take the story but I could reuse it for something xd
Mine was absurdly powerful, but had lots of flaws. I went "wait, if he is op with no flaws, that is boring. Let me add 10 flaws." So I did.
But where's the love triangle?
Mary Sues are too perfect for love triangles, they are the center of a love dodecahedron.
MrKlausbaudelaire
BEST. COMMENT. EVER!!!!!!
MrKlausbaudelaire After all, where do you think all those halves come from? :3
Ah, I see I have finally stumbled upon a comment that showcases knowledge that might even rival mine.
Well you see, there is no one quite as dumb as I. Until now. I'm just kidding, this comment is the god of all comments!
You know what's better than love triangles?
*fight triangles*
"Oh no who's going to kill me, this guy or this one?"
More worser is if a character has to choose between a character life and death in stories.
The Definition of Oatmeal satsuriku no tenshi be like
How about weapon triangles.
Rival triangles need to be a thing
@@xxkitsune_kidxx1788 lmao
Mulan didn’t USE to be a Mary Sue... sigh
Mulan evolved, just backwards
It’s evolved just backwards
The new movie basically deleted her training arc! The only thing she actually learned in the movie training was how to carry buckets...
It's Another Mulun, her clone
-Can't we just pull a Last Airbender and pretend this movie doesn't exist?-
What Mulan 2020 remake?
90% of the OC fanfic writers be like
Don't forget wolf comic writers.
@@TheDr502 Oh my gosh- THE WOLF COMIC WRITERS!!!
Lea Morgan and modern female marvel comics writers
Webtoon and wattpad
Oop
The modern writers of the Fairly Oddparents took your advice literally.
No no nooooo. NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE
Karol Dubiel Invader Zim reference??
@@shygreenbean0317 yes its prefect
tImmy iS AutIstIc anD is ImagIninG stUff, sO nOhing acTually hAppened. ThE fairIeS arE eitHer hIs iMaginaTion oR fOster pArentS bc thE pArents aRe a Big dUm DuM
Mary Sue characters in a nutshell:
*You can't have character flaws if you don't have a character*
Lmao
Mary Sue basically: Half elven princess yet still has the full potential of that ancient race, has superpowers that could threaten the universe and has full control over it, everyone having a sexual orientation towards her even though when she gets excited she can obliterate the planet.
Relatable Character: Might be a superhero with powers but has flaws like people hating them, not doing well financially, betrayal from close ones, depression may even occur to the character, might not even HAVE powers and is still treated like crap by society.
@@thenobleone6255 Mary sues can also be human and perfect
Disney used this tutorial for making Star Wars and Mulan 2020.
Mulan 2020 makes Rise of Skywalker look like a compelling story.
Now Mulan's "half chi half pheonix half powerful woman"
2:47
Remember when Rey accidentally let loose a few tentical monsters and almost killed her best friend? Because it doesn’t seem to me like she never makes mistakes.
I can’t really defend mulan tbh
Ooh, captain marvel too
@@bongus840 How i describe Mulan: half mary sue,half phoenix bird, half quirky,half alien, half human,half i'm not the other girls.
Make sure that she has completely normal three eye colors while having the most simple but perfect hair, dressing simple but gorgeous, normal but perfect
She has three eyes? Now were talking!
Her third eye says hi
@@aquablueyt3700 No no no. She still has two eyes... but she also has every kind of heterochromia all at once.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 nah nobody cares about central heterochromia, it's too common (half my family got it including me and my photo was used for dictionary entries of the word boring).
A solution to this type of character: kill them within the first chapter and then have the actually interesting characters take it from there.
Dan_from_the_internet Gurren Lagan?
Rosana Econg I've not seen Gurren Lagan. Do they do it this way?
Then darn I've ruined it for you
Rosana Econg nah, it's been on my watch list for a while and I'm more likely to watch it now that I know a Mary Sue character gets killed off
Super, happens early on anyway so there's a lot of great show that follows
Don’t forget to give her every mental illness in the DSM but never let it affect her life negatively in any way because that could be perceived as a flaw and we don’t want that, do we now?
Lmao
Screw the rules.
Mmhmm yep and none of them conflict at all 😌💅
She has a goofy quirk of needing her closet to be in order of color so she’s totally ocd 🤪 She has insanely dramatic mood swings so she’s totally bipolar 🤪 She can’t sit still so she’s totally ADHD 🤪 She can’t have a mental illness that the media and society says is icky and bad and scary like autism or did or schizophrenia tho because then she wouldn’t be cute quirky
The writers of the new "Mulan" saw this video and thought it was actually great advice.
🙄🤣
Writers of Disney Star wars loved it
Captain Marvel writers didnt think it went quite far enough
Indeed. My definition of a "Mary Sue" is this:
When people say that Character X is a "Mary Sue," what they really mean is: "The person WHO WROTE Character X is an egocentric narcissist who wishes that everything was all about them. Said author sees themself as infallibly perfect, and they wish that everyone in real life would constantly congratulate them on how perfect they are. They wish that everything would get handed to them on a silver platter, and that they could always pull off insanely impressive feats with basically no effort and still be congratulated for it. Thus, said author projects onto Character X, and writes them in order to serve as an outlet for their own self-absorbed, implausibly idealized, wish-fulfilling, escapist fantasies."
This to me, is EXACTLY what Mulan from Mulan (2020) is, and what Kirito from Sword Art Online is.
@@jonah_da_mann So true. I hate Kirito SO MUCH exactly for these reasons. I don't understand how people can like him. He despises everyone, he's an annoying brat and YET every girl likes him it infuriates me. Thank you for pointing that out
I've read a fanfic where the author was literally a godness and she just... appeared (with a light from the sky) when the plot nedeed to move on. She talked with the characters, did some magic and just... disappeared. Only to appear again when things became bad for the main characters.
If I wasn't sure the human race was going to die, well, this is it.
Out of curiosity what fandom was that of?
@PAPER STONE I'll try to find, but that story isn't in English (it's in Portuguese). Do you mind?
@@Anna-tk7ui TazerCraft, a Brazillian Minecraft UA-cam channel. The owners are 2 guys that the subscribers LOVE to ship (they're basically brazillian dreamnotfound lol, even down to the blue-green color scheme), so the fic was one these cliche vampire romance between them.
@PAPER STONE Took me a while, but I found it!
www.spiritfanfiction.com/historia/the-love-the-vampire-5392218
@@vitorialorena5726 Oh, thanks, I was thinking it was Harry Potter or something.....
This Star Wars sequel looks lit.
... I... I love you
@Erwin Rommel
Hows Tour de France sir?
Ma-REY Sue
Or even Sabine Wren from Rebels
@@forsakenwarrior814 yup, don't agree
My immortal in a nutshell
“Hi my name is Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way and I have long ebony black hair”
"It was..............Tom Bombodil!1111"
I remember that mess!
“WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING YOU MOTHERFUKERS!”
Don't give me PTSD man. I must say, Voldy and his universe has some pretty weird fans.
Lol she wasn’t a Mary Sue you preps she was a satanist 😂😂😂
Actually being to kind and dangerously naive, can be flawed..and could drive him/her into being broken or a villain when they have been fucked with, just too much!
Like a fallen angel
Phos from houseki no kuni in the manga
@@daveroll6463 pain 😢
Jonathan Joestar
Thing is, they dumb the big bad down so that it won't be an issue
Is this Wattpad books in a nutshell?
Wattpad fanfics in a nutshell
I might change that...The main character in one of my stories seems like a Mary Sue, but they do question themselves, and at the end, the villain turns out to be not really much of a villain and in turn the two come to the realization that they in fact are both ignorant to certain issues which leads them to come to some sort of agreement.
And if the main character still seems like a Mary Sue from this explanation, feel free to argue against me or ask questions if something seems clear with my brief explanation. I honestly don't care if they are one or not. XD
Winter Anime nah because I write good Wattpad books with unique styles and new tropes this is a self absorbed person in a nutshell
Well, it truly depends on who reads it. Some people like Harry Potter and others think he's a Gary Stu. (i'm on the second group) I used to think my stories were amazing. Nowadays I think everything i do sucks. It depends a lot on perspective.
+Rue Nah, Harry Potter is not a Gary Stu... he is just not particularly likable. Now, Anita Blake... that a Mary Sue, she basically fulfill the criteria for at least 80% of this clip. Granted most Urban Fantasy romance run the risk of that but Anita Blake really set a standard.
Dude my friend has a Mary sue, and I've read her stories. They're terrible. It's all about her. For some reason she always gets kidnapped, her parents keep wishing she was dead, she's got all these mental disorders, and for some reason her favorite Korean band saves her and is always focused on her. It's cringy.
RedDudetteAndRosie
Maybe you could show her these videos and/or try to help her improve her story, if you haven't tried that already.
Just be careful how you tell them. Some people don't take criticism very well or at all. Been blocked a few dozen times by said people.
Even your synopsis is cringy, I can only imagine...lol
Korean band. SAY NO MORE
RedDudetteAndRosie
*Cough* wattpad *Cough*
Just realized that Kim Jong Un is a Marry Sue
That is not how It works
@@ufukcangencoglu2279
but why not? :(
Every dictators live is the one of a marty sue !
@UmUrso Amarelado true
1) he's fat
2) Gary Stu
Being “too nice” can be a flaw. It just has to be done well.
Oh, and I also have an idea for a perfect character, but that ironically becomes his flaw, in that he can’t relate to people’s struggles, despite wanting to help them with them. A deconstruction of the messianic character archetype basically.
Tell me the name of the story
Iconic Slasher12 I didn’t write it yet, unfortunately.
Though it’s an idea for a Fate/Arthurian fan fiction where I reimagine the characters a bit.
@@wannabehistorian371 Ah man I don't know the fate story at all
Iconic Slasher12 Well it’s basically Arthurian fanfiction lol.
The character in question is Sir Galahad. While in Fate itself he seems to be a jerk for some obscure reason, I’m thinking I could write him closer to the original version of the character, who was supposed to literally be a God-given Gary Stu embodying the Christian ideal.
@@wannabehistorian371 Sorry im stupid but what is Arthurian fanfiction
I only watched 30 seconds of this and I already have an urge to subscribe
You can't fight the -Homestuck- Urge to subscribe
S A M E
Kelvin Thin I subscribed before watching the video, and after watching it, I'm glad I did.
Kelvin Thin Same.
i highly recommend subbing
Patrick: Once there was an ugly barnacle! He was so ugly, that everyone died! The e-
Narrator: No! Not yet! Then the half dragon pony angel demon fox cat dog eagle elf princess fairy named Mary sue came and brought everyone back to life! And then Justin beiber married her and she was just so perfect! Now it's the end!
No thats wrong
The writer would have made Justin Bieber marry Patrick ,for some reason they love to make LGBT characters.
@@marcoanimacoes5690 Even canonicaly straight *and married* characters
@@marcoanimacoes5690 Justin Bieber X Patrick Star OTP
@Gordon's peronal channel with a rocket launcher
Everyone I see in this comment section: OMG Rei from Star Wars is a perfect example of this!
Me in the corner: *Kirito from Sword Art Online*
Also Corrin from FE Fates :3
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Brady Carrigan same to Mary Sue, she is half angel, half elves,... so she has some crazy power to destroy the dark lord. Every boy in 1 km radius want her, she successes at nearly everything with no or really little struggle, although it is bullshit as hell.
@Brady Carrigan Kirito is all in all a perfect Gary Stu.
@Brady Carrigan did ask something?
@Brady Carrigan I see, don´t take this the wrong way but he fills the criteria almost perfectly, sure he had knowledge due to beta testing which is reasonable but, he also has a unique skill, the double swords,, he has amazing hidden skills, he is a hacker, he iterally came from the dead, also several girls are in love with him, his nerly flawless, he lost an arm and regained it, he is just too op.
This video made me realize that Bella from Twilight is a Mary Sue, literally everything in this video fits for her
Yeah. Twilight is such a shitty series.
@@caninehat6589 It seems you forgot that it's oficially okay now to grossly misuse the term "literally".
Moral gray characters are more relateable. Guts is the best example. He turns into a literal monster half the time, but he still cares about his friends. One time he even kills kids(On accident, oopsie)
@Sky Dome how?
@Sky Dome yeah but how is it an inherently bad trope?
He killed about 100 on accident. Then proceded to kill another 300 intentionally.
Relatable should not be the primary goal when making a character anyways so why are you bringing up the cherry on top as though it were the ice cream of the Sunday?
Not really on accident, he kinda figured it out and just stop caring cause FUCKING DEMONS
"remove all character flaws" character is suddenly female
Feminazi tumblr blogs in a nutshell
OH MY GOD
LOL
No wonder a lot of Mary Sues are created by feminists...
@@KazuhaEien *fake feminists
Well, giving a character flaws like “she cares so much” or “she would die for them” is fine, as long as those flaws result in some kind of lasting consequence
Better yet when they are an actual trait and do show as a hinderance to reaching their goal, giving a chance to developing as characters.
Aang from the last airbender does this verry well when he is like "I don't want to kill the bad guy! the fire nation is not bad! I dont want to forget my friends!"
But that would make a nuanced character and people just want someone to admire, not to relate.
Jonathan Joestar is here to prove it
Spoiler
he dies at the end, and not that "he dies but revive"
he dies and the villain wins
Anakin in Star Wars did that "care too much" thing and lost it all. The best character of Star Wars.
Ned Stark's flaw was being too honorable and costed it all for him, his family and the entire north
That's a fantastic example
I've read a detective story with a character that was like "Oh, I was a poor orphan, but I was working hard and I am a billionaire now. Let's build orphanages, and help common people and my country, and get rid of all the 'bad' guys."
The problem was that he was comparing everybody with himself, and if someone was stupid, greedy or cruel, it was a good reason for Marty to kill him.
Ending: Marty shows as the serial killer and the most evil character in the story.
Please tell me the name of the story
@@zombielandtay4827 Major Grom. It's a Russian comic, but you can read it in English on the internet.
@@prastevnikprastevnik3140 How long is it
@@zombielandtay4827 The story I was talking about is from the first 10 issues and every issue has aproximaty 30 pages. But it's a comic, so it's very hard to talk abou how long it is. It also depends on how fast you can read in English. My English is bad (as you can see), so I spend two afternoons and evenings reading it. So I would say that it's short as comics are.)))
@@prastevnikprastevnik3140 Eh I would rather have a Russian speaking bad english than a Hispanic. Russians make english sound scary
You’ve basically described the mentality of most anime writers.
@Emrys Mao always isekais
@Emrys Mao
Overlord has entered the chat
Some furry stories and universes are like that.
correction: most anime fanfiction writers
why is kiribaku not canon yet no. Anime as a whole is like this. No wonder it’s fanfiction is even worse in that regard. A fan base is a reflection of the thing after all.
A note of my own, in all seriousness: On my opinion, more often then not what makes a Mary Sue a Mary Sue is not actually the traits of the character itself, but the way the world interacts with it. Allow me to give a example:
A: Albert is a scientist with a IQ of 150. He works in a division of the government encharged of creating and investigating new weapons where he is generally very respected: However, he often deals with situations of a complexity that even he cannot solve, and as such he has to count on the help of his team to help him out as often as the other way around.
B: Albert is a scientist wth a IQ of 150. He has never met a problem he wasnt able to figure out a solution to in less then five minutes, pretty much everyone and everything goes to him for advice, and whenever someone questions his suggestions, they are treated as idiots.
On both cases, the character has the same trait: A intellect far above human average. The only difference is that, on the first case, people would interact with this trait relativelly realistically and he would usually deal with things that are complicated even for his standarts, whereas on the secound, he never deals with anything he cant easily and immediatly solve, and everyone would worship him even though, no matter how smart he or anyone is, by all logic and reason he still should be fallible. Also, for this same reason, having a character that is a douchebag but everyone seems to ACT as if they were the best thing ever( You probably must know at least one example of it... ) is as likely to be noticed as a Mary Sue as a "straight" Mary Sue is, while being even more annoiyng, as on the case of a "straight" Mary Sue, at least you can see why would this character be admired if he was to exist in real life.
+Dado Bojart Very well stated. Actually, I have seen some "perfect" characters in fiction who, nonetheless, live in worlds with actually logical reactions and stances towards them, which sometimes makes them face problems and personal issues despite how mighty they are.
A good example would be Dr Manhattan, who is essentially a god, yet he doesn't like to consider himself one and he eventually becomes more apathetic towards mankind (and even life itself) because of his unparalleled awareness and comprehension of the universe. That indifference and coldness makes mankind to be eventually distrustful and weary of him despite he never shows to be truly evil. He just feels that he can't fit into human society anymore (and for that reason, he abandons it).
Compare a truly mature and amazing concept like that to an average douchebag MC like you just pointed out who, nonetheless, is seen as the greatest badass its world has ever seen for whatever the stupid or wish fulfilling reasoning its author had when he/she wrote the story.
Indeed!
A ton of writers, when asking if the character they created are Mary Sues, focus on the character, which I think can lead to authors being nervous about making a character "too-Mary Sue-like, cuz that'll make my work instantly hated!"
Your protagonist can be a mighty God, just so long as they are grappling with other gods, cosmos ending Old Ones, or a struggle to create something that they find satisfaction in.
Dado Bojart I agree!
Uhhh, first of all you seem to not include character development as part of the character.
Second, the mary sue effect is judged on the difficulty of the task in relatable terms. So for example, a character that is only required to open jars and does so successfully without challenge, this does not make him a mary sue (unless no one else can open jars)
Third, nobody admires anyone for being the best at anything. see John von Neumann, not exactly a pop science icon, eh? and he single handedly saved the world, and rather long term, too.
Fourth, the problem with a mary sue is not having powers or being powerful, it is solving problems integral to the plot with ease. An easily resolved plot is the worst mistake a story can have! Look at One punch man. He is infinitely powerful, but that does not solve any of his problems, and is mainly the cause of them.
fifth, you completely misunderstand perfect. Perfect characters in this sense inherently cannot face challenged or personal issues. Because everyone who agrees with them are good and in the right and those who disagree are evil villains that must be killed. Mary sues only exist in black and white fairy tale kingdoms.
Carbon 12
I know that Von Neumann is supposed to have had one of the most legendary intellects ever.
But, how did he save the world...?
Before you writers try to give your Mary Sue flaws to try to prove they aren't a Mary Sue, please note that a flaw doesn't automatically disqualify them from being a Mary Sue EVEN if they are legitimate negative traits. If the traits never apply when they would actually matter, are completely overwritten, or are actually a positive trait in disguise... it doesn't count. No more than Daredevil's flaw is that he is blind (Not only can see through other means, his blindness doesn't affect him in any tangible way)
Edgy.
Reminds me of that recent star wars film where there is a blind asian guy and it doesn't matter at all since he fights better than anyone, like why bother making him blind? I guess its just a cheap cool factor
Nionivek
That is one thing the movie actually gets right. It has a scene where loud noise jams his radar sense it it actually gets him in trouble.
ElHuevoCosmic
And Book of Eli, for that matter.
Yes yes yes! There is so many times when I read books and it was like "The character's flaw is that they don't know how to fight, but they never fight!" I'm a novice writer and even I know better than that.
Nionivek however it does affect daredevil on a psychological scale
Personally, I would create a “Mary Sue” but have her grow and change through out the story or series, something of a rich girl who gets a reality check you could say
So really someone who THINKS they're perfect but, then learns.
@@Meepo007 yes
Yes
A 300km per second b slap is also effective
@@chriswentz5197 very true
Marty-Stu
He was too much for logic
I've been watching this series and it's seriously super funny and makes some scathing points about popular media recently, I appreciate all the effort that went into them and I hope you keep it up and gain some popularity.
Noah Plack don't forget antisues
Winter Anime whet are thooooooseee?
Yo Kennedy an EXACT OPPOSITE Gary/Mary Sue. They'll be depressed emo cutters with black hair (but are still white because even anti-cliches who are cliche have to be white amiwhite lads or amiright?) who have all flaws and no strengths and only wear Nikes, not Converse.
Well, considering they're wish-fulfillment/self-insert characters and most (English-speaking) writers are white...
+makingfun: No, it's about characters premises that are entirely "TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF A SUE" but not making an actual effort to go all the way. This is because they aren't written to be Anti-sues. *They're actually dark-sues with a "NOT A SUE" as an EXCUSE made AFTER the horrible dark-sue was created, not starting with the "NOT A SUE" concept and building up.*
Heinlein sucked it up and did in Starship Troopers, and like, almost 60 years ago. He wrote his male protagonist elite space soldier, Juan Rico, and near the end revealed he was a Filipino, showing that it can be done... But it backfired a bit because almost nothing about him described really made him feel like a Filipino. But while one can write characters without ethnicity mattering, he could've still written Juan as white, but he didn't---so at least his decision itself does matter. Also this was published in 1959.
*Especially, when all those so-called authors writing "not your typical sue" characters but still can't for the life of them bring them to take that final ethnicity change when it should really not matter shows this is harder than one might assume.*
Ofc, Hollywood fucked Starship Troopers up and made him Argentinian, the whitest country in South America. He isn't American only because they couldn't rename his Spanish name.
or do the exact opposite:
Make them have too many flaws.
Josephysia yeah, people seem to hung up on not writing a mary sue, that they give their characters to many flaws that they become unlikeable loser's.
-God when making me
Underdogs are overdone.
My character's flaw is that sometimes they try a little *too* hard ;)))))))
@@ekkonus5719 big mood
I feel like everyone had that one friend in their childhood who always wanted to play a Marry Sue.
ive been waiting for this comment
*I was the friend.*
@@midnight_horizen8184 *i was the nerfed underling*
@@misschivous6435 *I was the brat that made too many rules when I was losing.*
@@midnight_horizen8184 *so how does it feel to be the main character?*
Disney's Star Thing
Ep 1: The Mary Sue Awakens.
Ep 2: The Last Boomer
Ep 3: The Rise of MaRey SueWalker.
"The last boomer"
LOL
Eduardo Gutierrez Oh crap she’s gonna sue me help!
I'm getting tired of all these Rey comments, but out of all of them, this one made me laugh the most. Thank gyu 😂
"MaRey Suewalker" I like the sound of that😃👏
Lmao
I think you just summed up the writing team of the Disney Star Wars trilogy when creating Rey.
Oh. Yes. I agree with that
And captain marvel
I think you fail to comprehend what these films actually show.
@@robinanwaldt they show the all mighty rey and her unstopeable power.
What they show?nothing
Un nombre, Nada mas Watch the films again. They even talk about it multiple times.
is Harry Potter a mary sue too?
- everyone but himself sees him special
- parents died, his guardians are abusive
- those who's with him are good, those who are against him are automatically bad (with the exception of snape)
- he alone can solve all the wizard world problems. not the aged professors, not the wizards from the ministries.
Yes but the male "Mary sue" is "Gary stu"
TheOis1984 the last two don’t apply to Harry, defeating Voldemort doesn’t solve all the wizarding problems and the books never act like they do. And those against him aren’t inherently bad because they’re against him, but that they’re under Voldemort. Draco would be that, but then he’s redeemed in the end because of his upbringing and being under Voldemort
Absolutely. He's Rowling's self insert.
Yes. Yes. I hate Harry, he's a terrible protagonist with a hero complex
Well at least Harry is like-able unlike most Mary Sues.
If Mary Sue isn't smart enough to notice people fighting over her, wouldn't that count as a character flaw?
Nah, it's just modesty ;)
Being stupid DOES count as a character flaw, the problem is that a lot of writers don't intend for their protagonists to be stupid, even when they kind of are. See: Harry Potter, Bella Swan, Clary from Shadowhunters, etc. When writers DO intend characters to be stupid, they're like. Mentally challenged, IQ way below average levels of stupid.
The problem is rarely that mary sues have no flaws, many of them do have at least one. The problem is that there needs to be consequences for said flaws. Rey is naive in the sequel trilogy of star wars but her naivité just made her surrender herself to the first order. Which leads to kylo ren killing snoke and taking over, which means that the first order now has an incompetent idiot at his head instead of a calm intimidating leader.
The flaw of rey had no negative consequences to her, she helped the resistance by being so naive.
That’s called clumsy
Depends on how you look at it.
Is she modest or is she dumb?
I have once found a small book series, where one of the main male characters reminded some kind of "Mary Sue" very much: handsome, clever, powerful, succeeds in everything, etc. But one funny moment: most people in books reacted at him in the same way as readers react at MS: he annoys almost everyone, and when he gets hurt, main heroine think: "Huh, he is not almighty. Nice.". Furthermore, he supports this image himself, for several reasons. And so... this character looks much more normal that other Mary Sues.
What's the name?
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Sorry, but it’s in Russian. But if you somehow know this language, it’s three-book series, and their titles are:
1. ‘Танцующая с Ауте’
2. ‘Расплетающие Сновидения’
3. ‘Обрекающие на Жизнь’
@@lastfullast8819 Thanks
@@lastfullast8819 And this is where Google Lens comes in handy! Pretty sure it won't translate very well, but still. Thanks for dropping the titles! Off I go!
3:13 Whoops. Looks like Mary Sue does have a real flaw after all. Her dishing out more pain than the villain could establish that she has an uncontrollable anger that erupts whenever something trivial arises. After a few scruples with this, the villain could try to use this bad temper to his advantage and try to exploit her anger issues for his own gain. Mary Sue could then realize she's being played based on her flaws and look back on how it's effected her and her peers and attempt to find solutions to cure her insatiable rage. But who would really want to see something as foolish as that?
Starfishman13 oh hey bad guy.
Not the producers and fans of Captain Marvel.
That is what we call good writing....
@@nighthawkmmnp2806 they actually cut out a scene that would have definately made her look like a villain. She crushed some guy's hand and stole his car.
B i g B r a i n
your mildly southern accent makes these 100 times funnier to me man
Blackrain7070
Tennessee.
The Switch Is Now OFF ‘normal’?
The Switch Is Now OFF It’s just that normal is rather subjective.
The Switch Is Now OFF Did you say it was normal to somebody?
Inversiol D | Yes, he said normal to him.
I switched “Mary Sue” with “Marinette” every time he said it
oh damn
*Music Box start playing*
Ha, though isn't Mari a half sue?
idk If it fits
Same here
Might want to mention there are two species of Mary Sue. One is the Author self insertion, which is the least worrisome of the two. The more insidious relation is the reader self-insertion. This is basically when a Mary Sue is written to embody the idealized image of it's target audience. Now if done cleverly it can be used in such a way as to be a sly dig at the audience that they'll get likely when they reread the book in a couple years. But honestly it's more used to just make the protagonist the generic special snow flake the audience likes to imagine themselves as.,
Mary Sues do not ruin stories, but they do turn stories into popcorn stories. You know like popcorn movies are those movies you enjoy for 3 hours and then never think about again because when you do you realize there were more holes than plot and nothing made sense. Yeah, same thing.
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Percy Jackson in a nutshell
Literally this episode is the perfect horror story
Mary sue character is protagonist
Kills a villian who's sort of petty and not extremely evil or anything
Mary sue become the villian and starts the apocolypse and can't be stopped because she's perfect
Seriously someone write this
amén
That would make her a Villain Sue... Which is also a thing.
...Injustice?
But also make it told from the perspective of the sue, so it's a Villain Protagonist (which in turn loops back into base Mary Sue) who -clearly- due to no faults, does not see that as a bad thing.
You should watch Berserk
And then there's Robbie Rotten, the guy they so desperately attempt to portray as evil but you just can't help but root for the guy.
Nythrain "Who did you expect? Sportaflop?"
*begins laughing at his schizophrenic hallucination self's joke*
Cyclops?
asaenvolk no!
i'm not a cyclops, my eye just got haunted >:(
No, I meant a character they tried to portray as evil (and failing) in Marvel comics for the last few years... and failing, in the end ironically if you step back and look at things, Cyclops has always been right. Its almost like some one in Marvel was pulling some strings and trolling the rest of Marvel. Okay I doubt that, but if they were, they are a beautiful bastard. #CyclopsWasRight
asaenvolk ...
i have no clue who Cyclops is...
Disney trying to write Mulan in their rehashed Mulan: *WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN*
And Rey
Remember to make sure that their a jealous girl who in love with a boy who loves mary sue
Her name must be Britney and she's a blonde mean cheerleader girl.
@@wanaisya1805 either that or she is Mary sue’s abusive sister
But rival girl has absolutely no redeeming qualities and no hope with boy
Bratz?
"Let me comfort you with my rock-hard abs" "Will it blend?" XD Seriously. The best part of this is the drawings.
Seeing as most of your episodes so far touched on writing your villains in relation to the subject at hand, think one of these days you'll make a Terrible Writing Advice specifically about writing villains?
Given how much I love villains, I will probably end up doing more than one episode on them. I will likely focus on specific archetypes.
Terrible Writing Advice You know what? You go right ahead.
quick! I'm doing a villain who unintentionally gave the hero a portion of his powers because he's a dumb ass and I want to highlight their striking similarities as those powers have actually warped the hero's personality which will in turn show the villain in an actually positive light as his message actually makes some sense despite how brutally he delivers it!
I need some terrible writing advice to avoid this at all costs!
Come on, just call him Dr. [Insert your local school bully's name here], make him bald and a mad scientist who just wants to destroy the world for no reason and that's all.
+solo uno Wily fits almost all of those except the name (if einstein was your local bully, then sure, it would count)
Alex/Alpha/Halfwolf/ Half Demon/Half Human/Bi/Gay/Edgy/Hates "Girly" stuff/ Not like other girls/loner/hated
BAAHAHAHAHA
Accurate 😂
That's no Mary Sue, that's a Margaret Sue
@@Crafty_BreezeMargaret Sue III
As a ghost writer for fanfics and books, it physically hurts me when I have to write an obvious Mary Sue.... Basically, I'm in pain 80% of the time.
@Morgan Mystic
Is it mandatory for you to write Mary Sue characters?
You need to realize that Mary Sue sells well. It is a mistake of many beginner authors - they try to write well instead of writing what sells. You need to keep things simple, but at the same time entertaining. If someone wants to learn how to earn with their writing then they would learn more from Twilight than from War and Peace.
@@greenlitlleman Solid advice and a hidden gem. Even Harry Potter fits the Gary Stu aspect. Awesome dead parents and abusive foster parents... but homie is the popular kid WHO LIVED. and keeps saving the school every year from the big bad????
Wait there are ghost writers for fanfics????? Broski, just write your own fic at that point.
I've been thinking about a story from the perspective of the "villains" having to deal with a Mary Sue. Like imagine doing everything you can to defeat your enemy only for her to effortlessly defeat you because "plot". Or imagine having legitimate grievances but everyone turns against you because the Mary Sue thinks you're "evil".
Write it.
And please reply here when it's done so we can appreciate it (even if it's just a draft)
Sounds like shield hero
I'd like to read this as well! XD
Idea for dialogue.
Villain: Haha! Prepare to meet your doom Mary Su-
*observes Mary Sue has escaped from her trap*
Villain: What? How?!
Mary Sue: I can teleport...
Villain: When can you do that?
Mary Sue: Just now.
Villain: Ugh first super-strength, than pain tolerance, than speed, than flight, laser eyes, master of all elements including heart, and why the hell are you so hot?! DAMN IT NOW I'M ATTRACTED TO YOU! FUCK THIS!
Why on earth did this pop up in my recommended it's not like a Star Wars movie came ou-
... Oh...
Just what I was thinking
yes
Ah yes Luke and Anakin Skywalker, so much Mary Sue!
@@CaptainPikeachu They had development and clear weaknesses that were exploited by the villains.... they're not Mary Sues
@@CaptainPikeachu Anakin lost to Obi wan and was basically enslaved by Sidious,if you don't remember, and Luke had training, in which he felt he couldn't do what Yoda asked him to, they both had weaknesses that were exploited by the villain, and the only reason Anakin got to kill Sidious was because Sidious didn't expect it, but even then he died after and wasn't magically brought back to life by luke, so while I can see why you might consider anakin and Luke to be Mary sues, that is far from the truth
Everyone in the comment section: Rey from Star Wars.
Me, in the corner: Alice from the Resident Evil movies.
-Lightning from final fantasy 13 series.
@@laughingseal2282 2020 mulan ....
@@goodvibesallday9245 agreed
*Laughs in Paul Anderson*
Every dumb OC i see.
The only flaws she can have must either
a) be the cause of her superpowers
b) be heroically overcome by the end of the story
c) contribute to the moral, as she battles her flaws until eventually realizing her flaws make her special, and she doesn't have to change anything for anyone. She comes out of her metaphorical shell and possibly experiences a supernatural vision leading her to use those flaws to overcome the villain of the story(who of course must be old, ugly, and have every possible physical flaw to highlight their evilness)
How is b of all things a bad thing?
@@insert_edgyname8848 It is good writing for a character to confront their flaws and potentially adapt to be less (self)destructive or even to not change. It is trash writing for the author to say the problem is magically cured/ no longer matters, without a believable arc.
Haha! this is [character] from [franchise] in a nutshell!
Haha! This is Goku from Mario party in a nutshell!
Haha! This is me from my shitty primary school stories in a nutshell!
Haha! This is Rey from Star Wars in a nutshell!
Haha! this Lucy Manette from Tale of Two Cities in a nutshell.
Haha! this is Vladimir Lenin from The Leninist Era Soviet Union in a nutshell!
Make your main character flawed, but not too flawed.
Give your character a couple flaws that will actually cause problems: being reckless, not taking things seriously enough, being _too_ serious, sometimes forgetting important details, having too much of a temper, being indecisive or too hesitant, being too sensitive, these are all examples that can work if done well. It is also good to give your character flaws that can be reduced or removed over time through character development. Having an annoying or frustrating flaw can work if your character gradually changes their ways.
If your flaw never has any kind of negative repercussions, then it isn't really a flaw. Examples are being clumsy, being a slob (a minor one), having poor manners, or being shy. If the results of a flaw are always exclusively humorous, or never provoke any kind of negative response from other characters (having results of a flaw almost always be humorous, but still showing other characters reacting negatively can work), it isn't really much of a flaw.
If you give your character real flaws, but nothing bad ever happens because of them, then they also don't really count as flaws. Say, for example, your character is annoying and selfish (which, in my opinion, should only happen if you plan on character development later). The character repeatedly disregards the feelings of others, ignores authority figures, and makes rash decisions. These seem like some pretty serious flaws, but they don't really count if, say, the character always gets their messes cleaned up by other people or by coincidence, always gets forgiven too easily, and doesn't get punished for being disobedient.
I recently watched a video on why The Legend of Korra is a terrible show, and I'm in an attacking Korra kind of mood, so let's compare the characters Korra and Aang:
Aang: a likable, kind, compassionate, and humorous character, Aang's flaws include occasionally being prone to lying (which changes with character development), sometimes being too careless, and being afraid to face responsibility. His flaws have actual negative repurcussions, and they are reduced through character development.
Korra: Often impudent ( _"I'm the avatar and you gotta deal with it!"_ ), she tends to ignore the authority figures in her life, ignores advice given to her in order to help her learn new skills and then gets angry at the same teachers when she fails to accomplish the skills, and gets her problems solved by other people when her reckless actions have more serious consequences.
Which character has flaws that are actually well executed?
The Shiny Snivy This comment is beautiful and very helpful. Thank you!
Ok The Legend of Kora is not as good as Avatar Last Airbender but I still think its a decently good show.
Let me guess. You're actually referring to
Legend of Whorra
by E;R
Am I correct?
You got it. I went from "korra is flawed but it's alright" to "KORRA IS THE WORST SHOW EVER AND IT RUINED ATLA FDHFDHJGR"
Korra was exactly like that in the beginning, but going through her traumatic battle with Zaheer and The Red Lotus changed her for the better. At the end, Tenzin acknowledged how far she's come. It's realistic when you think about it. Near death experiences humble people. This is why Season 4 is fan favorite. Katara and Toph even made brief, meaningful, appearances in order to help her through the physical and psychological struggles. There's no way she could have gotten out of this own her own. A Mary Sue would, because the plot says so. If you haven't rage-quit the series, lemme say that Season 4 is where the development is. Hope this helps. ;w;
I appreciate the fact that the vampire was holding only red flowers
1:39 The vampire obviously killed her, he's not crying.
Merritt Animation
I KNEW IT
Maybe we can add a layer of depth and jealousy to the story by having a murder to enforce themes and stuff but... That’s dumb!
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he is probably an edge-lord character. He is unable to cry... cause emotions are weak and for idiots.
"I always hated her"
He doesn't have a soul.
My little sister's OC is LITERALLY the Mary Sue explained in this video, and I don't know how to tell her that without her flipping her shit at me since she treasures her OC far too much
Show the video to her.
Not mentioning her OC, just, "look at this funny thing about wriiting OCs". Maaaaaybe she will be self-aware to notice similarity.
I bet it would probably be more likely she'd be JUST aware enough to realize DarkJinx is taking a jab at her sister by showing this video, and get even more angry as a result.
Unfortunately, I've no idea how to fix such arrogant behavior. Perhaps just constantly prod her by asking "What would make this character love your OC so much?"?
I'd just let it be.~ Chances are, she will grow out of that character. Most do, with time.
I mean, what's the rush? It's just one bad OC. Not like she's trying to publish the thing.
After years of artistic development, she'll look back and laugh, like we do with ours. ♥
DarkJinx can you give an in depth description?
Well said.~ ^
1:00 You know, having a character that is essentially a monstrous cross breed of half a dozen races made with foul magic/genetic engineering could actually be an interesting concept. As a failed experiment they could have to deal with the stigma of their warped physical appearance and/or feel like an outcast due to not belonging to a single race.
Magos Leibowitz All that equals :D = BULLSHIT! >:(
Sounds a bit like Cell, minus the whole part about dealing with social issues, because he's evil as fuck and raised since birth by a computer to be a ruthless killer.
But is there a love triangle? If there's no love triangle, it's not worth reading, obviously.
Sounds a bit like The Witcher. Claymore(anime/manga) does this pretty well, and I've heard A.I.C.O Incarnation is sort of like this.
Yes, but these "authors" would never actually do that because of the part where it would be interesting.
Miraculous writers:
*WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN*
Yup
lol
Though Mary Sue's are bad, they are the funniest to write as you can make up the randomist plots and make them do whatever during them. As long as people don't have to read the write, go crazy.
Statement: Looney Tunes protagonists are Gary Stus, but they are jokes in the first place.
That's almost literally what I do.
Hellsing is the example
@@satrio303 Hellsing or Hellsing Ultimate/the manga?
Me and my best friend are writing a joke fanfic about a Harry Potter Sue where Mary Sue gets adopted by lil Uzi but finds out her real parents are Bellatrix and Voldemort. Also she dates Harry Potter and kills moldy voldy with a literal shotgun...
soooo Bella from Twilight? I always felt she's a Mary Sue
You can say this about pretty much every popular YA story with a female main character since I was born, because young girls who whine about how there are "no good female characters" eat this shit up with no self-awareness or sense of irony.
The thing about Bella is that she's actually a complete myopic, vain sociopath and a crazy manipulator when you actually analyze what she does as a character. She's just written to be TREATED like a perfect being by everyone else.
Stephen Skinner Interesting, develop
Stephen Skinner i think that was explained in the video, the character would be as bad as the villain, just make sure to make the villain worse!
Bella is the triple threat of an antiSue, a hood ornament, and a Mary Sue. If she and Edward Cullen bred, it would birth a child they would name "Blandon Perfecty Swan Cullen", if Stepheny wasn't too afraid to write it. Which she actually is. She's postponing "Just Twilight from Edward's PoV" for that reason.
Edit: didn't know they actually had a child when I wrote this. Meaning that I was wrong and her name is "Creepychild Perfecty Swan Cullen", and their sex to impregnate Bella was probably so amazing us mere unsparkly mortals can only watch. Because sugar and spice, and everything nice, that's what vampire abilities are made of.
I can`t stop thinking about Kirito from Shit Art Online
Riiny Sann he is not a Mary Sue.
Firstly. He is a guy. Not a girl
2 he wears black, the color of moral greyness so he is deep. Since Mary Sues are wear white to emphasize their pureness
3. He uses swords. Which self insert character would ever use swords.
4. He is only powerful because he has a unique skill. Which is very different from a unique power.
5 he doesn't have a love triangle that goes nowhere ,he has 7 girls who like him and a girlfriend.
6 he doesn't save anyone from death. In fact the only one he saves is a computer program, by hacking a game from inside it self. So he doesn't have any abilities that would make him able to save all people.
I hope this deep analysis made clear how he not a Mary Sue but something else.
... just watch the abridged series it's less painful
Kirito is a Gary Stu
Watch Digibro series of Sword Art Online to know absolutely everything wrong with it, it's amazing how flawed it is
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It's amazing how many flaws he has but he's so popular, isn't it?
Gabriel Snower yeah, SAO came exactly on time to be extremely popular, it was new, about videogames and had good animation, and by that time people wanted new ideas so when it came out everyone liked it mostly because they didn't have a reference
I feel like the flaw of “being too kind and generous!” is almost never portrayed to its full potential. Because things with Mary Sues that are “Too kind and caring!!” never portray it as a flaw, they just say it is. But in real life, being too kind and caring can literally, deadass be a horribly crippling thing to deal with. Such as when friends constantly vent and ask for advice about mental health issues, so then you take the responsibility on yourself to make sure they have someone to talk to 24/7 (which is about the worst thing you can do), or when you never allow yourself any time for self-care because you don’t know how to say no when people ask if you want to hang out or do something, or when you feel like it’s constantly on you to make sure that the people around you are taken care of and in optimal condition. Being too caring is immensely detrimental to the person who deals with it, and it is something that absolutely, invariably has to be unlearned. Not saying you shouldn’t be caring, but with a select few exceptions (like say, your kids) you can’t sacrifice your health to make someone else happy.
Of course, this doesn’t apply to Mary Sue! She can balance saving the world, acing her math test, getting first place in the Olympic triathlon, AND being the therapist and caretaker to all of her friends at the same time! Because she’s just that amazing!
I remember this webtoon where there’s a side character who was literally too kind,and she got burned alive for reasons. The whole narrative really showed that her life sucked but she was still kind…idk if she’s a mary sue or not because she’s a flashback character.
@@hydrailce3404 Oh that does sound interesting - yeah I like it when being too kind is done as an actual flaw like that.
I actually have that being a very deadly flaw in one of my protagonists. Because he is so kind and nice, he believes that everyone can be saved, Including the mercenary who believes that violence is the meaning of life. He literally calls them for dinner to try and "Understand their point", The mercenary who was his former superior, Is once again meeting the child who was rescued from the cult they're serving, Now grown up and with a complete change of sides and personality... You understand where this is going, right?
Instructions not clear book was bestseller
Lord Buckethead instructions unclear, released 17 albums
Lord Buckethead Are you talking about harry potter
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
And it was called Twilight
"She is too kind and selfless."
"Afterall, we don't want Mary Sue to display unheroic traits like mercy or forgiveness!"
Consistency isn't that important anyway.
That's not actually a contradiction.
Kindness would be aimed at innocents, and the mercilessness and refusal to forgive would be because the bad guys hurt so many innocent people - it would be revenge for them, not for the Mary Sue's selfishness.
I'm not trying to defend Mary Sues or anything, just pointing out that isn't really an inconsistency.
Amazing how JKR managed to cram half the traits mentioned into one character and make it work
I'm assuming Harry Potter? If so then yeah, I didn't realize it before but that's actually really impressive on JKR's part.
How is Harry a Mary Sue? Hes definitely a flawed protagonist, just because he has abusive foster parents, does not automatically make him a Mary Sue.
+Raptor Charly Ikr
+Zufi Z.K That's exactly what I'm saying. She gave him at least HALF of the Mary Sue (Or Marty Stu, 'cause he's a dude) traits and he's still a well-rounded character
It’s called putting in effort to make a good story
Wow you just summed up [Y/N] from just about every wattpad fanfiction that ever existed