(Discussion) Why Do Retro Gamers Dislike Modern Games? - Retro Bird
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- While some retro gamers play and enjoy modern games, most of us still have issues with them. I discuss some of the main problems that people have with modern gaming (where retro gaming does a better job).
Why Do Retro Gamers Dislike Modern Games? - Retro Bird / Why Modern Video Games are not Better than Retro Games / Why Modern Games are Worse than Retro Games / What's Wrong with Modern Video Games / Why Modern Video Games are Not as Good as Retro Games
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This video is not intended to imply that modern games are completely irredeemable. There are plenty of modern games that I enjoy (AAA or other) as I'm sure most of you do as well. This is merely a video covering some of the common complaints we all have. Also, a lot of you have mentioned Indie games, to which the criticisms mentioned in this video generally don't apply. I'm mostly talking about the big budget "AAA" games here. If you'd like to see a video where I talk about why Indie games are so beneficial to gaming, you can view that here: ua-cam.com/video/sgPvVVNA2u4/v-deo.html
This is just a brief reminder you should really be using my mods or suffer the consequences of an inferior retro experience.
How are indie games supposed to count the same as modern games? A game that is explicitly designed to play like an older game counts the same as a retro game. "Retro" doesn't mean a game is actually old, it includes the games that are styled after those older games, which accounts for about 95% of indie games.
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Use my mods or you are a failure as a human organism.
Gabe Newell is watching your blasphemy of total rasterization, except the intro to conkers bad fur day cutting the nintendo logo into pieces with a chainsaw. Thats legit old school N64 hardware raytracing, although its just 1 character model, a floor, and a logo.
They fucked up Mario Odessey, in that game they removed the lives system and when you die you lose 10 coins.
It is so easy to get coins so it is impossible to get a game over unless you just off a cliff over and over until you die.
I beat the game with no game over
every other mario game ever i had game overs.
I greatly miss the “pick up and play” feel of retro games. Everything these days has to be an epic that takes 120 hours to sit through. I do play new stuff, but it’s not the same. Long live retro.
Bingo I agree with you.
Unless you're a sports fan and play those games absolutely. Retro foe lyfe.
I think that's the biggest issue, that and having to continually buy new hardware to play. Especially the last few years when GPUs have been so expensive due to crypto currency miners.
The only modern game I ever played was the Sims 3! I really didn't even pay attention to the world of modern gaming because I really loved playing that one already, and the few times I see the Sims 4 I was disappointed by its sallowness, and this actually felt like a theme in modern games... (Atari is milking the old RCT games till they're dry, EA is copy-pasting FIFA every year, many games release with terrible bugs and glitches...)
Exactly. Long live retrogaming!
I feel its mostly due to some games being incomplete, Multiple updates, and terrible loot boxes. There's more reasons, but those are the main ones.
Agreed!
@@MajorChipHazard316 updates are bad if your internet is slow As F**K
Agree!
Agree less updates can I just get the game I'm paying for please
So true my thoughts exactly. Also games back then didn't take a Longtime to Load and old retro games have better storylines plus back in the past they had Icons many Legends they need today. Like Contra, Double dragon, Adventure island,Sparkster, Bonks, World heroes,Ghouls n ghost, Ninja turtles, Mario is there but the others i don't see them.
I’m actually liking the indie game scene these days....A lot of variety.
Indie games are great. Most of them avoid the criticisms I mention in this video. This video is mostly just talking about "AAA" games.
@@RetroBirdGaming I totally get it. The good ones are few and far between these days. Great Videos By the Way!
Oh this looks like Ann interesting indie “procedural generation, Rogue lite”. “Into the trash it goes”
@@magicjohnson3121 yep, but I get suckered by the pixel art and soundtrack. Gameplay could be a hit or miss or another clone with its own gimmick, meh
I expect the indie games you’re talking about have taken inspiration from and are highly influenced by 80s and 90s games anyway
2:04 "I remember the good old days where the way to unlock the extra content in the game was by playing the game." This. This is exactly how I feel about modern AAA gaming.
@@omarsheriff51 certainly a fair point that single player AAA games aren't nearly as predatory as the majority of multiplayer AAA games. You're right that they don't have all of the loot boxes and pay-to-win mechanics of the multiplayer games. But as far as DLC is concerned, yes it existed back in the 90's with games like Sonic and Knuckles, but it was an extremely uncommon practice back then. Now the majority of even single player games have DLC. With games like Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Zero Dawn, which are both fantastic games, it's almost worth it to wait until a definitive edition comes out so you can get the full experience without having to buy extras. I miss being able to buy a game and be assured that that was it, I had the full experience right there.
@@omarsheriff51 that's a good point, most of the time the DLC a game offers is just a bonus, and not integral to the experience the game offers. With my examples of Horizon Zero Dawn and Ghost of Tsushima, both DLCs offer story content as well as new weapons or other items to collect. These simply serve to enhance the existing full experience. Still, I do feel like I'm missing out if I don't buy the DLC in this case. Admittedly, I'm a cheapskate, and I probably should be willing to shell out the extra $10 or $20. Maybe I'm just spoiled by games like Celeste, The Messenger and Hollow Knight, which offer this sort of content as a free update.
I will acquiesce and agree that this type of DLC, while I still find it annoying, is acceptable. What I can't get behind is DLC that locks important or at least meaningful content behind a paywall, such as Zelda Breath of the Wild and Metroid Samus Returns, which both have a harder difficulty only accessible via paid DLC or mandatory amiibos. Admittedly, this isn't the norm, but it certainly does exist.
I'm a 50 year old gamer and all I can say is DITTO DITTO DITTO. You nailed it. Every point you made was dead on. Although I do like an epic, modern, photo-realistic gaming experience, I would like to see more variety in game development, perhaps some "B" grade titles like we saw back in gen 5 and gen 6 consoles. It seems like all games these days are either a AAA, potentially broken, big-budget title OR an indie game with nothing in between. I want another WAVE RACE game! Thanks for speaking the truth. Great video.
I’m a Gen X’er too. Personally, I feel like the main thing modern games have to offer is better graphics. I choose fun over graphics any day.
Older comment, I know, but just wanted to voice my agreement. I'm really fond of games from around 2000 (plus/minus a few years), and the gameplay/design sensibilities of that era don't seem as common now. Or maybe we just aren't looking in the right places?
There's usually a considerable difference between an older game with a budget, which made the most of the technology, versus a newer indie game that's trying to mimic older games.
Wave Race would be amazing on modern consoles with realistic yet cartoony physics! Another one I want a sequel to is another boat racing game called Hydro Thunder. There's also a really cool Xbox boat combat game called Bloodwake that I wish Microsoft would make a sequel.
@@totallyfrozen that's why I play only Nintendo games.
I miss unlocking fighters by playing arcade mode with different characters
same here, seems like ps1/ps2 were the latest system to do that, from ps3 onward ytou had to PAY more money to have more characters
@@Zontar82 maybe that's why it's not a satisfying to beat some games.
Or cheat codes! Do modern games have cheat codes anymore?
Yeah its a cool feature
The indie scene is the true successor to retro games.
I think simplicity has a lot to do with it for me. Today, you hop into a game and, like you said, you need to sit through a drawn out opening. Once the games starts, you usually have a huge open world to explore, tons of side activities and quests to do, random loot and items to find, and tons of different skills and systems (like item crafting) to keep track of. It can be pretty overwhelming. Sometimes you just want to pop in Castlevania, smack some demons and monsters with you whip and give Dracula a piece of your mind.
Well said!
There's many modern games that do the same thing tho, with mechanics that are pretty simple.
Even Dark Souls is pretty simple mechanics-wise in it's core.
Think of a game like Dragon's Dogma:Dark Arisen, or Monster Hunter, God Eater, Soul Sacrifice, Toukiden, Samurai Warriors, etc. I'd argue that games like these play more like retro games rather than "AAA" games.
you just described rpg, not modern games. there are retro games that have all the things you listed too. those are not modern.
Say it again and louder family, I don't think these developers heard you. 💯✌
I think it’s the lack of chasing realism.
3d brought us more realism now they just focus on graphics.
After burner/ace combat
Tomb raider /unchartered
How to unlock stuff in the '90:
Here is a code
How to unlock stuff in the '20s
Here is a 16 digit code
After you paid $5-$55 lol
This episode is amazing. Kind of "get off my lawn", but I'm almost 39 so this is right in my wheelhouse. Awesome work!
Hahah this video has some serious "get off my lawn" vibes for sure! To be fair, I also have some "get ON my lawn" videos as well :)
Hahahahhahaa
@@RetroBirdGaming the reason why I dont play super modern games (I just play like ps3) dlc/microtransactions & games themselves are super cheap on older consels
@@pongchannel. It's that and then there is, " modern games are way too simulated for me. Scripted events like magically you cannot run through certain places. Really the simulation part in Modern games gives me the impression I am watching a game movie instead of playing an actual videogame for gameplay fun.
@@nayyarrashid4661 tbf pc and switch is still pretty good for example lethal league blaze is great
If I don't play a modern game for a few weeks, I forget all the controls and lose my momentum. Gets annoying loading a save space and totally forget where I'm at and how to do anything
That's my biggest beef modern games
I think thats been a problem scenes nes, games like metroid and zelda they are games simular to the games you talk about above.
This omg
Or switching back and forth between modern games, same issue
I guess the simplicity of retro games is what I prefer over modern games. A game like the original doom I can handle, but once you have to aim, etc in the new versions, it gets too hard for me to get into.
Indie games and simpler games on the Nintendo Switch is what got me back into modern gaming.
I'm a fan of Indie games and other more independent projects as well. I find them to be a kind of silver lining when it comes to modern gaming.
yeah me too. My sister loves last of us and that. I get bored after 5 minutes watching some cut scene and just want to play a game. Does every game need an elaborate complicated story?
@@wildwest1832 ikr! Its like a movie I just wanna play it not WATCH it
@@MajorChipHazard316 exactly.
Definitely. I like the simplicity and aesthetic of old games. I like to think I like Modern Games but I like retro games more than modern games
Another really nice advantage retro games have over modern ones: they're already released. Modern gamers are always waiting for the next new game to come out, but if you want a new retro game just... get it. It's already exists, it's already out. Just get it.
I think character development and making games into movies with scripted cinematics is a key difference between retro and modern. Retro games have a little text for a basic story, and off you go.
Yeah, the story in retro games is usually just there to provide a bit of context and that's it.
Have you ever played an older Zelda game?
“It’s not safe to go alone. Take this.” And off ya go!
One thing I dislike about modern gaming is game preservation. Once the servers are shut or games get removed from the app store there is nearly no way of getting that game back. While retro games you can buy them physical and back them up digitally for emulators.
I play games of all generations. I'm just a fan of all games.
I recently turned into a retro gamer. I got sick of online games turning from fun experiences that were ONLY about winning the match to grinding for hours to upgrade weapons/stats. I think PS3 era was the last simple gaming time. My faves were Battlefield 3/4 and Resistance 3 online. Now I only play single player AAA games like Doom Eternal, Modern Warfare and Halo 2 MCC. It's still almost unbearable with being forced to download 100gb updates for MW if I don't play the game for a few weeks. One day I'll give online a shot again.
This is really interesting to hear about. I wonder how many other "retro gamer converts" there are out there. I love the idea of it.
Me too, I really hate the fact that you HAVE to play for a few years before you can play even decently well, just because you don't have the highest stats........I am sick of it......
Counter Strike was a good and well balanced online game, you just have to practice a bit and have a bit of experience, nowadays you can't find a single game that doesn't require either money or years of playtime, if only there was one out there nowadays that actually requires skill, CSGO is an example but aren't there any more?
BF2 is what started this grind nonsense in multiplayer shooters when before it was skill and knowledge gaps that made the difference in a match. Which is why i play Rainbow six: 3 still with some guys online about once a week. Also don't have to deal with overtuned autoaim bullshit that every multiplat shooter has now.
Same for me, used to be in a clan for some time but a lot of clans were cheating to get themselves to the top, and it started to be more and more about money and winning what ever it takes, even if it means cheating, the fun was all gone...
After such attitude, I was disgusted eventually, and I left that clan for good...
Later on, after that, I was watching many games clips that were about the SNES, the real deal, physical media, and my top favorite consoles and games, eventually I found my way into retro gaming, and started to build up my collection even though it was a small one as it had always been, and probably remain small, my friends thought I had gone bonkers, but at least my sister had my back...
A lot of this only really applies to AAA gaming.
Exactly. Games like some of the Indie ones intentionally fight against a lot of these problems.
Bloody hell what a great topic mate. I hate how i am constantly having to clear space on my console because it's full from these huge file sizes. Biggest gripe.
Yeah, some of those games are absolutely massive. It's insane and they just keep getting bigger.
Which makes it all the more hilarious that the digital-only Xbox Series S will come with half the storage as the X. The only possible way to play games is on your hard drive? Great, let's cut that in half, 500GB oughta be enough for your... oh... three or four games. *eye roll*
I can appreciate what a bother such large file sizes can be for modern day game installs.
Back in the mid 90's - We had a similar challenge with our desktop PC.
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Our 500 mb hard drive could only hold so many games
and there was a constant need to swap out the old games for the new.
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And those were retro PC games. :-)
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However, yes, older gaming consoles didn't have this issue.
Just swap a cartridge to play the next game, no problem.
My biggest gripe with modern games/consoles is sometimes you need to have internet connection in order for some games to work, or you need an account which is free to create but they'll inevitably start blasting ads about "premium membership" or something like that. Or worse, you'll have to PAY to create an account and pay a recurring fee every month or so. I mean, what happened to just popping the game into the console and start playing?
Three of my main gripes: DLC, pay-to-win and being forced to be online, even if you play single player and have zero interest in PvP.
„Back in my day“, you picked up a game, and that was it. No hour long updates, no DLC, none of that BS.
I realize now: I might sound like „old man yells at clouds“.
No, you sound totally sane
The only modern games I like are from Nintendo and some indie stuff, I hate "cinematic" games that are more interactive movies than games.
The retro spirit definitely lives on through Indie games :)
My last PS4 buy (2nd from last buy actually) was Ghost of Tsushima. I got bored 35 minutes in and turned it off. It was later stated to me by a friend that I never made it to the title screen. I think in those 35 minutes I moved around, killed maybe 10 people.. the rest was narrative, story telling and cut scenes. Firstly, it took more than 35 minutes before I could play it because of the huge download, system update and god knows what else. But its alarming to me how little gameplay was in that game. Story telling is good, but game designers can and should make sure that the elements are split between gameplay and story telling. Mario games have stories, but within 2 mins your doing your thing. Thats a good balance.
For me any Japanese Modern Games are always better than American Games.
EA and some Ubisoft games suck like people said while Konami, Capcom, and Nintendo live on!
@@atomiswave1971 There are definitely different kinds of gamers. Those who enjoy narrative based games and those who are more for the gameplay and technical side. I really narrative games as I started with old JRPGs which had heavy narrative focus. I also like gameplay focused games too which I find Nintendo are great at.
Me too. Sure, PlayStation and Xbox have a few decent games, but Nintendo is where it's at for me. The same thing goes for Sega too.
I'm into the old arcade scene (flashing lights, booming sound effects, Dramatic Announcer, ect). Now, these new systems have games that looks more like a Disney movie. Sometimes too realistic is not good.
I'm more of a flashing lights, booming sound effect type myself.
Absolutely agree, the best games take practice, patience, and persistence. Then when you have mastered them, you can complete the game in less than an hour.
@@retroprojections If you have the new generation play something like Ghost House on SMS, they wouldn't want to play anymore. The new games are dull in my opinion.
@@Prime-1111X I like Ghost House and My Hero, Wonder Boy in Monster Land is probably my fav for the SMS. The new systems with their hyper realism and emersive environments give me a major downer after I'm done with a game session. Whereas I can play Sega/Neo Geo for minutes, or hours and still come away with the warm fuzzies.
@@retroprojections I can't even past the first level in My Hero. Now that's ENTERTAINMENT!
100% right on the money.
My PS2 never has to update. Ever.
I never thought I'd become a retro gamer, but the game industry is so bad that it forced me to become one.
The thought of ONLY being able to play modern games would be frustrating. It's so nice to have retro games to pick up the slack.
@@RetroBirdGaming If you're anything like me and the rest of older gamers, you have a significant backlog... I mean LIBRARY, to get to. So I'm not sad about leaving modern games behind, and you shouldn't be either. :)
@@mountainmgtow5421 Haha. Yes, less consoles to juggle that way :)
Same happened to me, it all started in early third generation when DLC was introduced.
I've only watched like 33% of the video, but I already agree with this video 100%. You perfectly summed up why modern games are just not as good as retro games. Good job!
I'm a game developer. I have a page of notes from this video. This is wisdom for sure. When I get a chance I'm going to paraphrase that line with sarcasm. "Wow, you've got 100 shades of brown and gray! Looks fun!"
Hahah glad to hear that it could help! You'll have to let me know once a game you've worked on that incorporates all of this has been released :)
I guess you can also choose putrid vomit green, and piss yellow. I mean all retro-games has awesome colore palettes right. / sarcasm
The unlockables being replaced by micro transactions to me is the worst thing in modern gaming. I love unlockables.
I’m a die hard AVGN fan who loves 1980’s-1990’s gaming!! I hope you make a bunch of videos, this is the kinda stuff I like to hear retro gamers talk about!! Looking forward to your next video
Glad to hear. I upload regularly and have a ton of videos already on my channel. If you liked this video, you may like this one where I talk about the advantages of retro gaming: ua-cam.com/video/DI1jz4f346Y/v-deo.html
@@RetroBirdGaming thanks! Keep uploading them and I’ll watch 👍👍
The additional purchases are the most annoying for me. Excessive greed is once again ruining the gaming industry.
I prefer characters that are already made.
But the emphasis these days is on charachter customisation which means the character you control is essentially a blank slate in many games.
Also padding is a huge problem in modern games.
You get a masterpiece once in a while that can justify the time but generally its padding.
I guess my biggest problem with modern gaming is that I just don't have the time to invest 100 hours in just a single game.
That's why I like Arcade games because the playability is what draws you to play it repeatedly.
I went to play Spider-Man on PS4 thinking I'd be doing, y'know, fun Spider-Man things like all the trailers and reviews said. Cue a 1 hour sequence of MJ Walking Simulator and a stealth section. I went and played the GameCube game instead (: there are games where story sequences are welcome, a Spider-Man game is not one of them. It's like it's trying to prove to me that it's a real piece of art or something. Bish you ain't Chrono Trigger, pipe down
You absolutely nailed almost everything. Something I'd add is that every AAA modern game just goes for the ultrarealism look, instead of having a unique artstyle, which makes every game look exactly the same with only minor variations in setting, but not enough to really stand out. Games like Wind Waker, Jet Grind Radio, Limbo, Cuphead, Ori, Gris, Okami, etc. will never age a day due to their distinctive artstyles, but games like Detroit and The Last of Us Pt 2 will look outdated in just a few years' time.
There are enough retro games floating around that I haven't played to keep me entertained. What, with all the drinking and smoking I've done I don't have time to invest hundreds of hours and dollars on modern videogames.
Whenever some of the people I know talk about being overwhelmed by how many modern games they still need to play, I say "try juggling 10+ consoles!"
I like the older graphics better. Don't like hyper realism in video games.
I don't necessarily need my games to be hyper realistic either.
I remember when we dreamed about games lasting longer. Now it is interesting but also very time consuming.
This video hits home. My first console was a NES, but I was born in 92 so really the PS1 era was where I started off. Modern games can appeal to me at times, but the downloads and updates have really hurt everything. Xbox 360/PS3 era was not so bad, usually these updates took at most 5 minutes or so even on terrible internet. In the PS4/Xbox One generation, I kinda fell off the wagon. I live in a rural area with poor internet, so updates can take half a day on these consoles. This in turn made me play these consoles less, and like you said, now everytime I turn those consoles I can't even play them. I really love the 6th generation of consoles my self, but I have found that 7th gen is probably my cut off. I probably have 30 or so games so far(and still buying) for 360/PS3 where as on Ps4/Xbox One I have maybe 5 to 8 games for each and I dont see myself buying anymore games for those consoles. Several of those games are just remasters of old games I love anyways.
Pretty much everything you said. You said it well. The main motivation is greed. Lots of game companies see Profit as the goal and not a byproduct of a good game. The goal should be making the best game you can.
That's true. That happens to me a lot. Even after 25 years I still remember how jump timings works in Super Mario Bros but I recently tried playing dark souls 3 again and I had to recondition my brain first although I had almost mastered the basics when I played thr first time
You nailed it with your analysis. The microtransactions are definitely annoying, but my biggest gripe is that modern games are too often released in a buggy, unfinished state. Sometimes the updates to the games can fix one problem while introducing others. Updates even end up diminishing the gameplay you’ve gotten used to. For example, I bought my PS4 when it first came out so that I could play Street Fighter 5, as I’m a huge old school Street Fighter fan. After getting to know how a few of the characters played for a few months, Capcom released an update that actually took moves away from some of the characters I’d gotten used to playing with. That was when I was officially done with many modern games. All those months of practice just felt wasted with the latest invasive meddling. Back in my day, games were released in a finalized state, and what you got was what you worked with, bugs and all. And learning how to exploit some of those bugs was part of the fun. It just seems nowadays developers are too reliant on being able to update and can sometimes ruin the experience with incessant tweaks to how the game feels.
I’m so glad I found your channel! Your videos make me feel warm inside! Keep going and I hope you go far in life!
Agreed
Thank you! The goal of my videos is definitely to make my viewers feel good!
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@@RetroBirdGaming Thank you! Btw you should start a discord server soon!
I play both modern and retro games, and your points are in general pretty spot on.
There are some exceptions I’d like to point out. Not every retro game was a “pick up and play” style of game. For example, plenty of retro RPGs for PC were very in depth and required you to a) read the manual and b) expect to spend up to an hour just creating your character. Plus, many of these games were incredibly long, with some lasting well over 100 hours.
Why I'm not a fan of modern gaming? Oh boy, here goes:
-Having to wait 40 minutes to install a game before I can even play it.
-DLC for stuff that used to be free like extra costumes, extra modes, sound test, behind the scenes stuff, etc.
-Online only games that are going to be useless once the servers go offline.
-Every open world and FPS game feels the same with no distinct personality or memorable characters.
-No instruction manuals despite there being a spot for it in cases.
With that being said there are some things that I do like about modern gaming but I'll save that for later just in case you ever make a "What Retro Gamers Like About Modern Gaming" video. :)
If that video ever happened I would probably spend a lot of time talking about indie games!
@@RetroBirdGaming indie games and Nintendo systems like the switch truly are a beaking of light in this modern era.
You can play your games right away. I don't know why you and a lot of people keep mentioning that you have to wait 40 min. Do you buy your games digitally?
@@tonyp9313 On Xbox One and PS4, (even if you have a disc copy of the game) you have to wait for the game to install before you can play it.
@@RetroBirdGaming Do you mean when it does the update?
Such a great video 👍😊 My last modern consoles from Sony and Microsoft is Xbox 360 and Ps3. I do really enjoy my Nintendo Switch, its modern but feels classic at the same time. But in general I play retro games more often, so many timeless classics.
I agree, modern gaming is overwhelming. I think the last true "pick up and play" consoles where the PS2-GC-OGXBOX and Dreamcast era. Yeah, there started to be longer games there too, but even a GTA felt like you would play a little today, a little tomorrow, leave it a week and come back.
I've found myself just often grabbing digital versions of old games on newer systems. For example, the Sega Model 2 arcade games on ps3 and 360 (Fighting Vipers, Daytona USA, Sonic the Fighters and Virtua Fighter 2.) Quick games to jump into, have updated graphics, and never had physical releases. I hate not having physical, but it's the only way to get those games aside from spending a lot of money for older versions.
Yeah, I really wish some of those releases would get physical copies. For example, I have the Xbox Arcade version of Daytona USA but digital only. Would love to have a physical copy.
@IcarusKid I went on a journey to find CRTs to play my newly acquired retro consoles (what an odd phrase lol) and they were surprisingly hard to find. Thankfully I ended up with a 13" and 19" CRT (one for backup) and have been playing my NES, SNES and others on the format and display they were intended.
Um.... Retro gamers dont like modern games? Depends on what really define as a retro gamer. Im a gamer, Ive been gaming since I was five years old on the Atari 2600, had friends that had NES consoles until we got a Genesis, and Im very much a gamer to this day, I play almost all of it.
The single-most problem with modern gaming is the internet and Microsoft. When Microsoft came onto the scene with Xbox, initially, they, presumably, had SEGA on their side. SEGA did, however, pull some really strange moves with the most obvious being sending their mascot immediately to the competition that wanted to bury them in a Senate hearing, still, with the support they got from Microsoft on the Dreamcast, most gamers figured it was a really strong relationship and dubbed the Xbox the Dreamcast 2, though SEGA was everywhere and dropping exclusives everywhere, it was strange.
But, thats about all Microsoft really had. They acquired Rare from Nintendo and managed to snag Bungie. The biggest problem is, Xbox was new to the console scene and Sony and Nintendo had spent decades building relationships with developers, earning their trust, and building household names. Xbox had none of that.
When Xbox launched, along with it came the beginning of Subscription-based online services. The Dreamcast had online capability, but you werent paying SEGA for SEGA.NET, you were paying for your internet. But once Xbox Live came on the scene, it couldve been the greatest thing anyone had ever seen, if youre a fan of the Angry Videogame Nerd, youd know why, but it began something horrendous instead.
Because Microsoft had no prior relationship with developers, especially during the Xbox 360 era, Microsoft turned to what they knew best and their biggest advantage. See, Microsoft didnt have to earn anything, Microsoft had deep pockets and could buy anyone off, but they knew they couldnt buy competition outright, you had to poison the competition by degrees, that meant rather than Microsoft going right after Grand Theft Auto, they offered Rockstar, instead, a fat sum of cash for DLC content that would be exclusive to Xbox, that was the start. Developers later learned that during the development time of game making, they could dissect their games before they went gold and on vacation, and they could sell a base game for $60 and then hold parts or levels of the game in reserve to sell later as add-on content called DLC designed to expand the game for those that wanted more, problem is, instead of a pay once experience forever model, you had to buy additional content thst shouldve been part of the initial purchase from the start. Also, gaming updates allowed for developers to get lazy. In earlier console generations you play tested your games constantly, there were QA teams whose jobs were find bugs and report them to ensure when a game was finally pressed, it was top quality, id it wasnt, reviewers found them and massacred your game in reviews. These days, developers are under crunch times and are so rushed, that they ship a crap product with the intent of updating over time. That still requires man hours, which still costs a publisher money, so why not crank out a quality and complete game from the start? Its been done before for decades.
Then came the mobile sphere which made it worse. Free2Play models. The US has never gotten quality mobile games, while Japan hordes all the best games, core gamers would want to play on their phones, and with the Free2Play model came Microtransactions, one of the worst things to happen to gaming in its history. Cosmetic items at a $1 a piece that, to the unititiated eventually became Pay2Win, its free, but to not waste your life away farming, pay some money and finish the game so you can move onto the next one, or spend, literally weeks, farming resources to move to stage 1-2.
Eventually, Season Passes ame about that bundled all additional content onto one payment of, generally, $25. This ensured youd get everything post launch, because gamers were catching on, they were getting smart and just waiting for Microsofts next trap, the Game of the Year Edition. Wait a year after the games launch and get everything on a single disc, hopefully to include all the updates making the game what it shouldve been at launch, but a year later.
Eventually, companies like Capcom werent satisfied and wanted to pick gamers pockets even more, so now, you have Season 2 Pass for that year thats been emulated by Microsoft with their Killer Instinct franchise and now Nintendo with Smash Bros. Are you seeing a pattern?
The point is, internet on consoles introduced the worst thing that could happen to gamers and fans of gaming you didnt see in the retro era, with the exception of one SEGA Genesis game and that was then known as lock-on technology. The internet created a way for game creators to lose their love of developing great games to make the gamer happy into finding ways to pick peoples pockets, especially during financially tight times like now.
Its current gen times like these past few that you find just how cruel, greedy, and dishonest human beings really can be, that they'll try to cheat or swindle people lower on the financial ladder with the smallest things picking their pocket $1 at a time, and that they dont care to get ahead so they can buy their fifth house, while the people theyre selling to dont even have a single house thats the difference. The internet for gaming couldve been great for gaming to help in times of the LJN Curse, and made online gaming with friends and family, amazing, but when you buy a game today at $70 and get it home and pop it into your console to find you have a massive update to have to download, even on day 1, most internet providers have data caps and penalties for going over those, that are expensive, and you cant play a single player game without that, your game just got that much more expensive. Its a trickle effect making it unless youre well off, you wont even be able to afford to game again and thats sad.
Wow, you couldn't have said it better. I recently started to go back to retro gaming myself because of, pretty much every reason you've just given. I bought many newer games in recent years that I barely played and although those are AAA titles, It just felt tedious to play them. They whether take an extremely long time to complete or to get anything noticeable done (like you've mentioned) or there's an overwhelming amount of things you can do or need to learn in order to play them (more is not always better), so now they're just collecting dust.
In modern gaming, I seem to prefer simulation games. It's been widely noted that modern games try to be as realistic as possible. So then look, just give me the damn simulation and take your lazy half-assed game design ideas elsewhere.
Now, I think I'll go play Subnautica while I wait for MS Flight Simulator to download and Gran Turismo 7 to be released. That's sea, land, and air. Bases are covered!
I heard that MS Flight Simulator was supposed to be really good, for those who are into that kind of game.
You pretty much nailed all the reasons in this video. But the difficulty issue is the one that really bothers me with modern games. They really do hold your hand and the penalty for failure is almost non-existent. Not to get on my soap-box, but I think the aforementioned issue with modern games is actually an issue with our society as a whole. I think the everyone gets a trophy, we don't ever want you to feel bad, if you can't do it we'll just lower the bar for you so you can do it, is negatively impacting our society. And we are seeing the results of this mindset in our society today. Growth, learning, and resiliency happen through failure. Failure is an essential (and valuable) aspect of life that we are trying to have people avoid today. I honestly think a lot of my competitive drive today is a result of hours and hours of frustration from impossibly hard NES games I relentlessly tried to beat as a kid.
Battletoads builds character hahah! I've always felt that the main reason games have gotten easier is because they're trying to reach a larger demographic. If everybody can beat a game then there's more potential buyers. It always comes down to money.
This is the comment I was browsing for, thank you.
First, congrats on 1k subs! Well deserved :)
To the topic at hand, you've touched on the important stuff. The modern experience isn't nearly as pick up and play with drawn out tutorials and constant updates. Then you get to post launch monetization, paying extra for stuff that used to be unlockables for beating the game. Infinite lives, respawns and auto-saves making it pretty hard to 'not' beat a game now. The generic 'me too' fetch quests of some of these open world games.
So you summed up basically all my issues. Indies are the best place to recapture some of those retro feels.
Oh, those copy and paste fetch quests. Yeah, not a fan.
Man, I'm not a content creator, but I've long thought about doing a video to talk about this exact topic, and you pretty much covered everything I've wanted to say. I'm not at all into modern games, and I tell people who try to get me into them that it's mostly because it feels like you're just watching a long movie where occasionally you get to press a button or two. The focus by modern game designers seems to be almost, if not entirely, on trying to make the game look like real life, instead of making it, you know, a GAME. A fun game, preferably.
That was everything about the games I grew up on. They created a sense of wonder with the gaming environment, while giving you complete control over your character. Was it sometimes clunky compared to today? Sure, but it was fun being able to just effortlessly press a few buttons and make your character do all sorts of things. Now, everything is tactical and tedious, and you have these giant controllers with a million buttons that you have to memorize what they all do. It's just not for me.
brown grayish tone makes so much sense, i was wondering why I don’t find games so appealing anymore no matter what i try. I feel every game I play now is brown/grayish :/
the biggest issues with most modern games I have are that they want to be like movies, way too long, generic characters and boring music.
My problem with modern games is they’re just reskins of other games, and their excuse is that it’s a “genre”
And another thing you pointed is that you have to play through it, unlike older games where you do atleast one mission or stage and you can be satisfied for the day
There's definitely a lot of games that feel like the same experience. I typically ignore games that don't look like they're really offering much new.
Good observations/video! Two things that get me about the current generations are the Progressive move towards games that break down over time such as when servers end and vital update patches can’t be downloaded anymore. A second contention of mine is that in the transition to using grittiness as a marketing feature, Gamers lose out on the universality that old games had when games needed to appeal to a broad range of folks. There is a certain appeal to be able to throw in games and have it be cool for any type of person to be in the room (speaking as a parent, this is a big deal). Yeah, there is an aspect of get off my lawn… But it also explains why I feel little need to leave the house.
Street Fighter Alpha 3/Alpha 3 Max are my most replayed retro games and will always be my favorites.
Awesome content! New subscriber here! Retro gamer for life!
45 seconds in had to pause and comment about the incalculable amount of times I waited for a game to download, set up video and keybind settings, start the game and go through the intro tutorial and now i have to go to sleep because its been 2 hours and I havent even actually started playing.
Man, I love watching your videos! You totally get it. I do also have a question. Who made your song? The "video games" part always is so awesome to hear, like it's from the 80s! Keep up the amazing work!
It's my friend who has been in a band since the late 90s :)
@@RetroBirdGaming Awesome! It is so good!
Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying your channel! Great content!
Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
The problem for is mostly around AAA games. Use a game engine that is already established, use Earthlike environments as your skins and maps, put a generic guy in a army suit or a T-shirt and give him some big guns to blow something up. Sequel, just add a few more maps and weapons.
Racing games - Cops and robbers
Gran Turismo with shinier graphics.
Does anyone ever think what a AAA Space Harrier game would like today on PS5? Does anyone think what a AAA Pilotwings could look like or play like? Where is the imagination gone?
Lastly, I hate games where controlling the camera is part of the skill of the game. Example, I prefer God of War on PS2 compared to God of War PS4. On PS4 there are so few enemies because if you had 20 of them fighting you would be dead by being attacked from behind. Imagine playing Street Fighter 2 but the camera kept going all over the place. Sometimes simple is better. Personally I hate dual analog controllers and have a hard time with them. Even on the easiest settings I struggle so I would rather play a game with intuitive controls my brain can relate to.
The games that have come out since PS2-PS5 generations are just remixing the same engines and maps. I enjoyed Gran Turismo on PS1 because it was exciting and new, but if a GT game came out today I wouldn't give it a second glance. The game that Polyphony made before GT was Motortoon Grand Prix 2 on the PS1. Its one of my favourite PS1 games (its not well regarded compared to Mariokart, but still its one of the most ambitious games on PS1).
Thank God for Nintendo.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I really agree with your point about the lack of imagination. I would like the industry to try more new game ideas.
Nintendo seems to be the fun system still where gameplay still a priority
Offline co-op is dead, except of Nintendo and some broken indie games!
Long live offline co-op!
We've been waiting for Elder Scrolls VI for over a decade now.
You get my subscription man this answers all my questions on this topic
Glad to have you as a part of the channel!
And Bird your well thought out points are well not to be redundant but.... on point.
Video games and music just haven't been the same.
I agree. I miss the way it used to be.
@@RetroBirdGaming bit of a shallow and gross mindset to have
Hey. I just got into game collecting, and I am a teenager. I totally agree. I think modern games are just too easy. The first time I played Ninja Gaiden(great game) I was like, WHOA! This is awesome! Its actually challenging! Anyway, great vid dude! Just subscribed
I think that out of all big developers nowadays Nintendo has best games for retro gamers. Their games don't usually have long cutscenes and the basic gameplay is easy to grasp from the beginning but offers a lot for advanced players as well. The best aspect for me is that they don't try to hop into the bandwagon of "mature" and ultrarealistic game design. The main reason I like games is that they offer something that I can't experience elsewhere. If I want to see realistic environment I just go outside. The only complaint I have is that the overall difficulty is a bit too low in most of their games.
All I can think while watching you talk with your head moving constantly back in forth is Will Ferrell snl harry karay impression. "Heck, I'm just curious like a cat" lol good video tho 🤣
Haha no offense taken.
My problems with modern gaming is the need for an internet connection for some game modes or to just play the game at all. However, DLCs are the biggest turn off for me.
Agreed. Required internet for a singleplayer mode is assinine.
And don’t forget about paid online services that make the problem even worse!
Modern games are for sure amazingly beautiful.
But they are pure garbage. Period.
Interesting video, you mention some points that I didn’t think about but are actually reasons I don’t keep up with modern systems anymore!
For me, I don’t have the time to spend to get into the newer games (house, work, kid) which boils down to an hour here or there which is not nearly enough to get into a game for me but perfect for playing my Gameboy. When I was a kid and played games, it was a cozy afternoon or evening and good feelings which all come back when playing retro games :-) My last current gen game that I bought aside from all the indie games was Rainbow six siege as I love tactical shooters, bit that’s basically a short single player game to get you ready for multiplayer (which looks very good but I didn’t have the skills because of sporadic time to practise). Also, I worry about online services being discontinued causing your games to not work anymore, which makes me wonder whether the current youth can be as passionate about their retro games 20 to 30 years from now as we are now (I sure hope so!)
Something just feel special about Retro games, but i play old and new games
My biggest problem with modern gaming is some games have extra content that are only available through a download code instead of being on the disc when there is clearly still enough space.
Great video by the way however I respectfully disagree about games feeling they take forever to release after they are first revealed.
Nintendo is notorious for delaying games and consoles and not having enough supply to keep up demand for years.
Oh, leaving content off the disc when there's still space for it is definitely annoying! I'm not following your second point though. Wouldn't games being delayed make it feel like they take longer to come out?
I've commented elsewhere, but the main reason these modern games are made because they sell. If your like me and don't like them much, your becoming a rare breed of gamer. Personally if I made games myself, the last thing I would start off with is a template of a planet earth skin/map, a guy wearing a helmet and holding a gun and making audiences wow by how the rain effects make the ground sludgy. I would concentrate on gameplay mechanics no matter how surreal the environment actually was. The first commandment of game design is "If the world is fun to be in, then gamers will want to keep playing your games". It should not matter if its a sequel to a successful game, it should not matter if its got teddy bears in it. If its fun, people will play it. Why studios want to make games that look like Pixar movies is beyond me, just make pixar movies.
I think the obsession with games duplicating reality in certain ways will eventually crash. The backlash a game like RDR 2 got for sacrificing fun for realism makes me think this.
@@RetroBirdGaming Even the uncharted series bored me after a while. It was fun in the 1st mixing platforming and shooting but as the series carried on it was just shooting all the time. I don't mind surreal realism like Prince of Persia sands of time and Shadow of the collousus where you get to think, act, fight and adventure around. I know it will probably not happen but i'd love Ubisoft to do a PS4/PS5 remake of Sands of time its one of my favourite games of all time. But your right there is an obsession with developers to stick to tried formulas and this PS5 generation isn't doing anything for me so far. Resident evil 8 is really the only game so far that is exciting me and its about time Silent hill formula came back. Atmosphere is key for me in a game. I might sound a bit contradicting but thats as far as nextgen I really want to go. I also prefer games that take about 8-12 hours to beat. I feel that if a game is longer than that its artificially lengthened. I will only buy physical so if a game is download only I just won't buy it. If everything goes to download only I won't buy anything at all.
Great video dude. I think the fact that games are tough to put time into these days is a huge factor. Don’t get me wrong I love me some RDR2 and GTA; I also love things like Horizon Zero Dawn but finding the time to pump into them to make progress is a massively offputting factor. I think if I had to choose I would take Castle of Illusion or MK2 any day over a modern AAA title if I had three hours spare. Great content as always man! Keep it up 😊👍🤜🤛🏻
Thank you! Yes, you gotta put aside some serious hours for those games :)
What’s AAA stand for anyway?
Great valid points sir, could not agree more with your analysis
I have to admit, this video hits it right on the head. 41 y/o here who grew up on retro games and still play some modern games to this day. I just recently purchased GT7 (to take a break from F1 2022) and was ecstatic as I haven't played the GT series in YEARS (GT 4 to be exact). As I have been playing this game since launch, I STILL haven't cleared all the cafe "menu books" , and yes I only get a few hours a day to play, but still.... While the game itself is wonderfully fun and beautiful to look at, it is suffering from almost everything mentioned here. The tedious hours put into the introduction of the game just to open things like multiplayer and other things like this is ridiculous. Oh, and speaking of multiplayer for GT 7, please explain to me why I am not able to play my game in single player when the damn servers are offline over 24 hours and I never even wanted to play online anyways! The micro transactions for all of these games are just ridiculous as well to the point of it feeling like extortion of the players, plain and simple. I miss the good ol' days of getting my game that is complete and paid for once and only once lol!!! I hope the younger generations finally have enough sooner or later.... It's just gotten way out of control.
I just turned 30 and my first console was the Sega mega drive so I grew up with retro classics, and I do feel that mainstream modern games have seen significant declines in quality in many ways. I definitely agree with the decline in difficulty, they seemed to get easier and easier with each generation. Even Sega mega drive games were significantly easier than NES games. Also, I think a lot of the new graphics have a "cheaper" look to them, somehow. A good example of this (in my opinion) is Abe's Oddysee for the PS1 vs New and Tasty. I think the combination of sprites and hand-drawn backgrounds in the original look way superior to the new and tasty graphics, it's like more effort was required from developers because the technology wasn't as advanced. That being said, though, when I turned about 18 and the PS3 came out and I had my first taste of Call of Duty online multiplayer, I was totally blown away and hooked in a way that I had never experienced up until that point. Games that good are worth waiting for. And when Battlefield 3 came out, man, games like that just provide a level of entertainment that retro games just cannot match. But the same is true for retro games, but in different ways. I also agree with the long introduction point you made; my brother got me Metal Gear Solid 5 Phantom Pain one Christmas, and that first mission sneaking out of the hospital, I found it quite tedious and didn't feel like I was playing MGS for about an hour. And I also hate how so many modern games are like movies; I don't even want to give some of the new PS5/Series X games a chance because of their movie-like presentation.
You hit the nail in the head with this
All the points you made are spot on and I agree with you 100% on the problems with modern gaming. I grew up with the Nintendo 64 and Sega Dreamcast, eventually ending with Nintendo DS and PlayStation 3. The video game industry is not what it used to be in my opinion.
Yeah I consider myself a retro and modern player. It all depends on the mood I'm in. I have to say though all those topics you mentioned are some reasons why I kind of lean more towards retro games more often.
Yeah, I think I'm similar to you in that way.
Modern consoles have adopted all the things that stopped me getting into PC gaming in the 90s.
What’s the deal with buying a blue ray, then needing to install the game and then download the updates and game features.
You can still buy full gaming experiences, but not enough people giving them a voice. AAA games are just beyond me now.
I suppose it boils down to how long modern AAA games are. I only make the time for a special few of them like the modern Doom games, Halo, etc. Also (this may be the collector side of me) I like the idea of retro games being finite. It feels like gaming is growing so fast that every day I fall behind by a dozen good games. Keeping up with modern gaming feels like a lost cause, but retro games I can slowly but surely conquer. Great video!
That must be why modern indie games overwhelm you haha! There's so many it can be hard to keep track of :)
I prefer 8 bit to 16 bit retro gaming because the games are that much shorter and I can finish a game in 20 min. Also it's instant playing. Don't have to read tutorials, pause the game to see controls, wait for a long drawn out cut scene etc.
I forgot about the pausing to look up controls. Definitely annoying.
Yup 👍🏼 everything you said. Subscribed 😎
So long story, I am 45 years old and while I have enjoyed some modern games I found my love of video gaming was slowly going away and it concerned me. I grew up with Atari, Commodore 64, Vectrex, etc. I loved gaming. But over the years I have had a harder time focusing on the games and just couldn't "get into" them like I used to. And for Christmas my wife got me an NES and a few games which immediately not only rekindled my love of games, really helped bring into focus my problems with modern gaming which is pretty much in line with what you are talking about here. While my old gaming reflexes have gotten rusty over the years, pulling out Mike Tyson's Punch Out and getting to Super Macho Man in my first play in 30 years reminded me of how much I enjoyed gaming. I have since started collecting retro games (currently NES, SNES, Gamecube and PS1&PS2 - on the lookout for a decent Atari) and I haven't looked back. I only play modern games online (Call of Duty, Fortnite) with my sons because we can play together despite living in different places. But I think there is something different about modern gaming versus Retro gaming beyond the "oh that's just what you grew up with" and I think your video nails it and thus I am subscribing for more of this kind of content!
Glad that you could relate and happy to have you on the channel! Yeah, the reasons for retro gaming are not just sentimental. There are objective reasons as well.
My biggest critique of modern gaming is the fact that games come out incomplete. I can handle the updates, I can handle the movie cutscenes...but when I buy a game, especially an adventure game, it sucks when it keeps crashing or the main character is glitching out. NPCs all break...it's awful...and yeah people will keep saying "oh they'll patch that". Like it's an adventure game, and I already passed the scene!
Also Game reviewers will often receive game without the "day one patch"...and have to review a broken mess...and hope to God that the developers fix the bugs they see.
It's a big mess.
What bothers me most about this is going back to these games, you're going to have worry if you have the update on your hard drive or not.
100% agree. The only new games I play nowadays are the ones that deliberately mimic retro games. Kemco produces some pretty good jrpgs & there are plenty of relatively recent home brew games for 8 bit consoles like the NES & GB.
I took quite a few years off from gaming, then decided to come back to the N64 to relive past joys and experience all the great games I missed out on during it's lifespan. While I'm going to be playing many titles for years to come, I look forward to playing a lot of newer releases with my children on the switch. So excited to Switch is so popular and the library will be so expansive! Great time to be a gamer!!!
Retro bird is somehow reading my mind right now in this video I don't think he's missed one problem I have with these new games.
Modern games are great, but as with all games there are sensibilities in them that factor in. I spent my 20's in the 90's and grew up with the Genesis, SNES, Neo Geo in the arcade and those are the games I seem to always go back to. They're (in my mind) the epitome of video games, and that's my personal preference. Any young person these days will definitely lean more towards modern games because just like I was in the 90's, surrounded by them. There's a difference in gameplay, visuals and popularity that they resonate with. And that cool too.
To be honest I was a PC gamer still am and a PS4 owner only played exclusives I just got burned out single player games open world fatigue FPS games only played csgo OverWatch just got burned out now I play the games that I grew up with and I love them I have a CRT and my computer in the same room so I usually just watch UA-cam sit back relax and play some super Metroid super Castlevania and super Mario all Stars the list goes on those games will never get boring and their great games to multitask listen to a podcast or UA-cam like I mentioned (great video) cheers keep them coming
Glad you enjoyed the video and glad that you're experiencing a retro gaming renaissance!
excellent video, interesting topic.
You touched almost everything. As a working adult, I dont have time for downloads and dlc's. My gaming time every week is severely limited, so I like to be able to just pick up the controller, push a switch or a button and get into the thick of it
I've been twiddling away slowly to get away from all online and modern style games. Loved all of your points, the 'magic' of games is gone.
Games in the 90's felt more focused than modern games and for the most part didn't really have politics in them. Not like now, where they feel unfocused and like they have a ulterior motive. Like being penalised for playing a game for longer than the intended period of time (Xcom 2 springs to mind).
I always find it funny when games tell you to take a break if you play long enough.
Hey Bird is PlayStation3 considered retro or no? Also just got me a Genesis model uno. Can’t wait for my HDMI upscale and power adapter to get here. Wanna compare it to my Genesis 3.
I would say the Playstation 3 is definitely not considered retro at this point. There's still people who don't consider the PS2 to be retro (and perhaps some who never will).
@@RetroBirdGaming That brings up a good question, what is the guidelines for a console being retro? For me it's hard to classify Playstation and Xbox consoles as retro because all they really do every few years is release a more powerful updated version of the previous release. This continuity kind of makes the whole lineup just feel like a progression up to the current era we are still living in. Where as when the SNES came out, it was an entirely different thing from the NES. And then N64 was much different than the SNES, etc.. I think this makes it easier to see view these systems as monoliths from a specific era, and therefore label them as "retro".
I think you raise a good point in that how unique a console is will help it stick out as being retro (once enough time has passed). For a long time, myself and others considered the Dreamcast to be the last retro consoles, but more and more people are considering the GameCube to be retro and I can understand the argument.
A bit late to this but cool vid. I try to keep a foot in the retro games space and modern games space. My only issue w/modern gaming is finding the time to get through a game. It's just tough finding the time between family, work, and just life in general to get through a game that's super long. It doesn't mean I don't try 😅 but I find myself taking a break from longer games and playing either retro or modern games that I can just pick up and play.
I get where you're coming from. Playing a longer modern game requires planning just to make it happen.
Great points. Also, what happened to the music? Retro games have great tunes whereas modern games often just have soft ambient stuff. There's nothing like enjoying some tight gameplay with colorful graphics while groovin' out to some upbeat funky music.
The reason why i stopped playing 2k nba games. Every year you have to buy new game. Why dont they just use same 2k then just update new nba players. 2k14 is my last 2k nba. I feel kinda find bullshit every year you have ti buy.
Yeah, NBA 2K is horrible when it comes to their monetization strategy.
That's sad because 2K used to be awesome. Then they turned into EA Sports.