Hi Astro, thanks for creating this. I love your vids. Unfortunately your calculation on distr draw per second migt be wrong. You conclude, a medium burst (listed wth 0.5 MW/s) would only have 1/6 of the medium beam. However, the given burst number is correct when the weapon is active = when the beam is emitted. Although the burst beams do not last for a second, they pull the distr energy in each burst. Thus, the medium burst distr per second is roughly (approximation for simplicity)i: 3.7 (RoF) x 0.5 (Distr draw) = 1.85 MW per sec. So the beam vs. burst vs. pulse comparison (all medium) would be: 3.16 MW/s vs. 1.85 MW/s vs.1.73 MW/s Also, these numbers are still misleading as they do not take into account the following: 1) Beams have higher armor-piercing and are therefore more capable of destroying internal modules like power plants 2) Beams (gimballed and turrets) appear to have a weaker gimballing algorithm, they are slower and sometimes even more sensitive to chaffs. Surprise is when using turrets, that bursts or pulses tend to hit more often. Players can benefit from that a bit, when engineering those. For example rapid fire burst turrets do almost the same DPS than beam turrets with much less distr draw and better hit rates. This is just an empirical observation and meant as example why players should not rely on the paper stats. It depends on your play style, piloting skills and ship type what works best. Kind regards from Germany!!! In case you want to connect in-game: My CMDR name is Apollo Prime
You know what You are absolutely right about that. I didn't think of that, but it make sense that burst laseres only draw power when active. Thanks a lot for letting me know. I have pined this comment to the top so other people will see it when they watch the video.
Every time i need to get technical in ED, it's always Down to Earth Astronomy first and foremost. I have watched hours from this gentleman. Highly recommended.
@@iloveyoushima agreed, usually he makes a ridiculous, juvenile comment followed by "anyways" or "regardless" For example: "This ship is about as useful as a virgin's sex tape, but anyways the jump range is pretty good." Like, why is a guy that old making jokes my cousin in high school wouldn't even make?
Some comments: In-game DPS is based of continuous time on target for 10 seconds. Beam lasers don't out damage pulse lasers until you've had about 6 seconds on target. Frag cannons have had dmg boosted vs small and medium sized ships, as of 2.1~2.2. Mag dumping a Frag on an Eagle or Viper will nearly strip shields. Frag cannons actual effective range is roughly
Dps.... damage per second. Not 10 seconds... per second. Which is 1/60 of a minute. Sustainable damage is dpm...damage per minute. Hope this helps you 🤭
Also railguns are definitely not hitscan. As a side note after its max range it still does damage but can miss the target* meaning its not a hit scan. Its a entity in the game files mate that has mass...which means also not hit scan 😋
Good video, thanks. I would like a video about the other weapons in Elite Dangerous; missile, torpedo, mines -- they are harder to compare so may have to be more of a Pros and Cons and guide on them, I imagine.
Nice breakdown. Lots of work went into this obviously, since for me anyway it's a bit of a pain to factor into everything when selecting weapons for some ships. Thanks so much for putting this together. Of course the engineering side of these weapons does some very interesting things to these stats.
Hey Astro, Thanks so much for making such informative videos. I have been playing over a year now and l still find so many things I didn't, know. You do a great job
I have a Python for fighting.. last night I was jumped by 2 ships.. one was a Krait the other fer de lance... I have only 5 beam lasers.. engineered out and the best you can get for the Python... I took both of those ships out in a matter of minutes..
@@zinta1 hmm yeah you are right i don't think they travel together, but i don't do much combat so i'm not entirely sure. It's great that you were able to destroy those gankers though. nicely done
I use the beam lasers, cannons (regular ones) and railguns rn, im not really sure if its efficient, most probably no, but god is that setup satysfying, hitting a railgun on a ship is great, and the cannon having a massive lead, big explosion and that sound is amazing, i wish there was a mod that would shake your ship when you fire it xd
solid video - sadly i think a lot gets left out in basic analysis - the stats on the burst laser and beam are especially odd since it's rather unclear on wtf the stats are referring to, and you kind of have to guess where the numbers are coming from and what they amount to. Thankfully there's videos out there of people shooting at ships until their capacitors run out and you can get a pretty good confirmation there. I'm guessing they weren't listing breach damage in this build when the video was made - but putting the numbers together reveals that there's a surprisingly large jump up in damage from pulse to burst when it comes to hull dmg - if you were looking at the raw dps number, you'd expect it to be about an 18% increase in dps, but it's actually more than double that, around 42% more dmg. This is consistent with the breach dmg being listed actually referring to a per shot dmg, and not the total breach damage of the 3 round burst... which is pretty frustrating given that the other damage listed on the weapon is in fact the combined dmg of the 3 round burst lol So my main take-away from all of this is that my Conda will get *considerable* benefit from switching out my large focussed pulses with large focussed bursts - as this will result in epic increases in hull dmg. That's a pretty considerable increase in power demand though, so I'm not sure how I'll find enough gigawatts to make that happen, but there's not much point in anything less than that. Will monster my powerplant and see how that goes I guess.
Hello, can you please tell me which one is tracking target to shoot? Gimbaled, turreted or Fixed??? I want to upgrade them to which can track and shoot the target. Thank you.
Is there anything we can do in this game to make it more obvious which target reticle is for which weapon when trying to lead the target? Like a different colour or something.
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So on paper, rails look like the highest dps weapon in the game. But in reality they are the worst weapon in the game. As heat build up from multiple rail guns or follow up rail shots has not been taken in to account. I love using them, but the only thing they are good for as of 2.2.03 is ai wrecking you with 99.9% accuracy and cheater manoeuvring. They do fuck all against ai Shields or hull and just cook you. They need another balancing pass imo, and to be available in bigger hard point sizes.
+J C I agree that the heat from them are way to much to handle unless you only for 1. I would live to see them having the heat reduced a bit and to have larger sized rails. Maybe an small increase in reload time not to make them too OP
Down to Earth Astronomy Yeah. I think for huge size they should temporary increase power draw when charging to fire, meaning that you have set up your power groups correctly to stop your Shields or thrusters ect from going offline. It should completely drain your distributor (sys/eng/wep) and add a lot of heat. You should really have to think about if it's worth firing or not. But at the same time it should deal massive amounts of damage as it leaves you vulnerable after firing. Thanks for replying and putting out all these really helpful videos, I really appreciate it. If you ever need with testing anything, I would be more then happy to be at your disposable 07.
Actually I typically run an eagle with 2 rail guns and a multi cannon, and the heat is actually relatively manageable during conflict zones, paired with a heat sink( so long as you speed tank your eagle) it is a very good weapon to attack the larger ships with, only downfall is if you are engaged by fighter craft, since the rail guns do suck at hitting the little buggers.
I guess i started this game too late. I just started playing 2 weeks ago. Deleted two accounts bcuz i got stuck and didnt have any info of what i was doing. Now on this 3rd acct just doing courier missions. Cant anything else. My ships cant kill anything in a battle. I even have the cobra mk3 and im getting killed so easily. I cant upgrade because everytime i try im in the red. Game is making no sense. Everything i do i get stuck and have to go online or self destruct to start over. Love watching the game but playing is a diff story. I dont know if im going to keep playing its just not fun bcuz everything is so damn confusing. Its almost like you need to be a real scientist or engineer to play this game. I just cant figure it out
You have a Cobra 3 and you're crying that you can't kill anything? The C 3 is meant only to do light work better than the others, grab an Asp X and then you will see some real damage for an initial ship
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Hi Astro, thanks for creating this. I love your vids. Unfortunately your calculation on distr draw per second migt be wrong. You conclude, a medium burst (listed wth 0.5 MW/s) would only have 1/6 of the medium beam. However, the given burst number is correct when the weapon is active = when the beam is emitted. Although the burst beams do not last for a second, they pull the distr energy in each burst. Thus, the medium burst distr per second is roughly (approximation for simplicity)i:
3.7 (RoF) x 0.5 (Distr draw) = 1.85 MW per sec.
So the beam vs. burst vs. pulse comparison (all medium) would be:
3.16 MW/s vs. 1.85 MW/s vs.1.73 MW/s
Also, these numbers are still misleading as they do not take into account the following:
1) Beams have higher armor-piercing and are therefore more capable of destroying internal modules like power plants
2) Beams (gimballed and turrets) appear to have a weaker gimballing algorithm, they are slower and sometimes even more sensitive to chaffs. Surprise is when using turrets, that bursts or pulses tend to hit more often. Players can benefit from that a bit, when engineering those. For example rapid fire burst turrets do almost the same DPS than beam turrets with much less distr draw and better hit rates. This is just an empirical observation and meant as example why players should not rely on the paper stats. It depends on your play style, piloting skills and ship type what works best.
Kind regards from Germany!!! In case you want to connect in-game: My CMDR name is Apollo Prime
You know what You are absolutely right about that. I didn't think of that, but it make sense that burst laseres only draw power when active. Thanks a lot for letting me know. I have pined this comment to the top so other people will see it when they watch the video.
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Every time i need to get technical in ED, it's always Down to Earth Astronomy first and foremost. I have watched hours from this gentleman. Highly recommended.
All ED UA-camrs are helpful, the worst is TheYamiks though, he's not funny and I can't understand a word he says.
@@iloveyoushima agreed, usually he makes a ridiculous, juvenile comment followed by "anyways" or "regardless"
For example: "This ship is about as useful as a virgin's sex tape, but anyways the jump range is pretty good."
Like, why is a guy that old making jokes my cousin in high school wouldn't even make?
@@Adjacent_2 Not only that, but his accent aswell, can't understand what he's shouting half the time, he's been speaking English for years.
multi-cannon, aka the warhammer 40k orc approach MORE DAKKA!
Some comments:
In-game DPS is based of continuous time on target for 10 seconds.
Beam lasers don't out damage pulse lasers until you've had about 6 seconds on target.
Frag cannons have had dmg boosted vs small and medium sized ships, as of 2.1~2.2. Mag dumping a Frag on an Eagle or Viper will nearly strip shields.
Frag cannons actual effective range is roughly
Penisman52
Dps.... damage per second. Not 10 seconds... per second. Which is 1/60 of a minute. Sustainable damage is dpm...damage per minute. Hope this helps you 🤭
Also railguns are definitely not hitscan. As a side note after its max range it still does damage but can miss the target* meaning its not a hit scan. Its a entity in the game files mate that has mass...which means also not hit scan 😋
Good video, thanks. I would like a video about the other weapons in Elite Dangerous; missile, torpedo, mines -- they are harder to compare so may have to be more of a Pros and Cons and guide on them, I imagine.
Nice breakdown. Lots of work went into this obviously, since for me anyway it's a bit of a pain to factor into everything when selecting weapons for some ships. Thanks so much for putting this together. Of course the engineering side of these weapons does some very interesting things to these stats.
Hey Astro, Thanks so much for making such informative videos. I have been playing over a year now and l still find so many things I didn't, know. You do a great job
Very helpful, I learned I'm getting 4 small rail guns and 2 med plasma casters on my asp haha
I have a Python for fighting.. last night I was jumped by 2 ships.. one was a Krait the other fer de lance... I have only 5 beam lasers.. engineered out and the best you can get for the Python... I took both of those ships out in a matter of minutes..
Was it pve or pvp?
@@xMcRolled they were pvp.. I don't think PVE travel together and jump people like that do they???
@@zinta1 hmm yeah you are right i don't think they travel together, but i don't do much combat so i'm not entirely sure. It's great that you were able to destroy those gankers though. nicely done
Very helpful.
Most of my ships, I use a combination of beam lasers and multicannons. Just seems the most efficient setup.
I use the beam lasers, cannons (regular ones) and railguns rn, im not really sure if its efficient, most probably no, but god is that setup satysfying, hitting a railgun on a ship is great, and the cannon having a massive lead, big explosion and that sound is amazing, i wish there was a mod that would shake your ship when you fire it xd
Thanks for the video! Found it super helpful in deciding what to outfit my first corvette with :]
My fav build right now is my Febreeze Chieftain with 1 medium beam and rest frag cannons.
solid video - sadly i think a lot gets left out in basic analysis - the stats on the burst laser and beam are especially odd since it's rather unclear on wtf the stats are referring to, and you kind of have to guess where the numbers are coming from and what they amount to. Thankfully there's videos out there of people shooting at ships until their capacitors run out and you can get a pretty good confirmation there.
I'm guessing they weren't listing breach damage in this build when the video was made - but putting the numbers together reveals that there's a surprisingly large jump up in damage from pulse to burst when it comes to hull dmg - if you were looking at the raw dps number, you'd expect it to be about an 18% increase in dps, but it's actually more than double that, around 42% more dmg. This is consistent with the breach dmg being listed actually referring to a per shot dmg, and not the total breach damage of the 3 round burst... which is pretty frustrating given that the other damage listed on the weapon is in fact the combined dmg of the 3 round burst lol
So my main take-away from all of this is that my Conda will get *considerable* benefit from switching out my large focussed pulses with large focussed bursts - as this will result in epic increases in hull dmg. That's a pretty considerable increase in power demand though, so I'm not sure how I'll find enough gigawatts to make that happen, but there's not much point in anything less than that. Will monster my powerplant and see how that goes I guess.
Do you have a more up to date guide for weapon engineering?
Railgun muzzle velocity: YES.
Its basically a kinetic laser xd
Well it's been a while since you've done this video but I think you've answered a few questions. Thanks.
Omg this video is so helpful Jesus ty bud.
Damn I hit thumbs down by accident then hit thumbs up..
I hope it works ok
Great guide series, thank you
Very good and helpful video! Thanks!!!
Hello, can you please tell me which one is tracking target to shoot? Gimbaled, turreted or Fixed??? I want to upgrade them to which can track and shoot the target. Thank you.
Turreted and gimballed track target, fixed dont
Is there anything we can do in this game to make it more obvious which target reticle is for which weapon when trying to lead the target? Like a different colour or something.
Greetings from Sweden (istan)
Very nice and very useful :) Love it !!! Good job Man keep goin :)
Very cool accent, man. Thanks for the video!
Very useful data to have, thanks. Just one question, are these stats from the 2.2 version and if so is much changing with 2.3?
Thanks. Very informative
What about missiles torpedos and mines??
For some reason my brain tells me to use lasers on the shields then kinetic weapons when the shields are down.. Is this right? Does it matter?
That's right and it dose matter.
@@DowntoEarthAstronomy o7 thank you sir
Det at du inkluderer faktorer som reload tid, clipsize etc. i din vurdering er et stort plus. Det gir en meget mere realistisk ide om, hvor effektive hver type våben er i praksis. Thumbs up :)
mange tak :-)
Down to Earth Astronomy You should do a vid about the faction weapons too
Not a bad idea. i have put that on my list of think to do :-)
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Very informative video! :)
All that rambling and even after re-watching several times, i don't get what the meaning of 1st and second numbers are, E.g. on Power Draw, 1, 01
i dont think Huge burst lasers actually exist?
what about missiles ?
You didnt talk about missile
"My computer restarted..." forced windows update?
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No Guardian weapons?
What about mines?
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Good video but make the graph full screen. No need to see your face or some random gameplay in the background.
Great guide but too long IMHO ← Comment for algorithm + 👍 'd
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So on paper, rails look like the highest dps weapon in the game. But in reality they are the worst weapon in the game. As heat build up from multiple rail guns or follow up rail shots has not been taken in to account. I love using them, but the only thing they are good for as of 2.2.03 is ai wrecking you with 99.9% accuracy and cheater manoeuvring. They do fuck all against ai Shields or hull and just cook you. They need another balancing pass imo, and to be available in bigger hard point sizes.
+J C I agree that the heat from them are way to much to handle unless you only for 1.
I would live to see them having the heat reduced a bit and to have larger sized rails. Maybe an small increase in reload time not to make them too OP
Down to Earth Astronomy Yeah. I think for huge size they should temporary increase power draw when charging to fire, meaning that you have set up your power groups correctly to stop your Shields or thrusters ect from going offline. It should completely drain your distributor (sys/eng/wep) and add a lot of heat. You should really have to think about if it's worth firing or not. But at the same time it should deal massive amounts of damage as it leaves you vulnerable after firing. Thanks for replying and putting out all these really helpful videos, I really appreciate it. If you ever need with testing anything, I would be more then happy to be at your disposable 07.
You know what that's not a bad idea. It would make it a lot more fun.
Actually I typically run an eagle with 2 rail guns and a multi cannon, and the heat is actually relatively manageable during conflict zones, paired with a heat sink( so long as you speed tank your eagle) it is a very good weapon to attack the larger ships with, only downfall is if you are engaged by fighter craft, since the rail guns do suck at hitting the little buggers.
Your foreground ship is at best distracting, at worst seizure inducing.
Space: vaccum
Bullet: drops
Space: ...
Let me remind you of gravity.
The bullets dont drop? If a ship is moving up ull have to shoot higher for the bullet to hit the ship?
I dont understand why gun size has no factor in damage ammo capacity or anything else?
It has. Values indicated are medium size ones, for comparison between weapons types.
I guess i started this game too late. I just started playing 2 weeks ago. Deleted two accounts bcuz i got stuck and didnt have any info of what i was doing. Now on this 3rd acct just doing courier missions. Cant anything else. My ships cant kill anything in a battle. I even have the cobra mk3 and im getting killed so easily. I cant upgrade because everytime i try im in the red. Game is making no sense. Everything i do i get stuck and have to go online or self destruct to start over. Love watching the game but playing is a diff story. I dont know if im going to keep playing its just not fun bcuz everything is so damn confusing. Its almost like you need to be a real scientist or engineer to play this game. I just cant figure it out
Try this guide - its brilliant! thecakeisaliegaming.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/getting-started-in-elite-dangerous-a-guide/
You have a Cobra 3 and you're crying that you can't kill anything? The C 3 is meant only to do light work better than the others, grab an Asp X and then you will see some real damage for an initial ship
I BETCHA u CAN CATCH A ROCKET AND SEND TO YA BENCH ...MAGNETS...
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You sound Danish..??
+Ralf Bagge i am :)
Ahhhh syntes jeg kunne høre det ;-) Tak for dine guides, jeg er på 4 dagen i spillet til xbone ;-)
typos, typos everywhere
YOU ARE JUST READING US WHAT THE GAME SHOWS US.FFS. NO USEFULL TIPS AT ALL
Had to give this a dislike, a weapons guide should also highlight the weapons firing, not statistics only.