Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith Re-Invented

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  • @vocalysemusicworks
    @vocalysemusicworks Рік тому +51

    I hear it will be called "Smooth Stone Skipping, Nothing to See Here".

  • @citizen3902
    @citizen3902 Рік тому +40

    My father passed away and Mother remarried and of course, changed her surname to reflect her new status. She also prefers to be buried beside her second husband upon her passing.
    The LDS church continues to refer to the “elect lady,” as Emma Smith despite her second marriage and name change to “Bidamon,” and dragged her beside Joseph when she departed her life. They create for Joseph and Emma, a Camelot marriage when it wasn’t and we know it didn’t end well for them.
    I dare the new biographer to be truthful regarding that bit of suppressed information.

    • @alantomlinson5740
      @alantomlinson5740 Рік тому +6

      I think you'll find it was RLDS church who did this. And to be fair, the RLDS referred to her as Emma Smith Bidamon while she was alive.

    • @fotochikyo
      @fotochikyo Рік тому

      As far as I know her second husband wasn't so great, created on her and she ended up raising the child of the affair

  • @ColleenJohnston-t3j
    @ColleenJohnston-t3j Рік тому +13

    Rough stone, rolling omitted Joseph’s 14 year old wife, Helen Mar Kimball, so it will be interesting to see who, and what is omitted from the new and improved and more whitewashed biography!

    • @Zodiacalesotericmatrix
      @Zodiacalesotericmatrix Рік тому

      Glassbox podcast with Bryce Blankenagel and Shannon Grover is currently reading through and discussing Saints. It's amazing how much is ignored and omitted.

  • @garikj766
    @garikj766 Рік тому +10

    Hmmm...you sure Oaks isnt Ferengi?
    1st rule of acquisition: Once you have their money, you never give it back.
    10th rule of acquisition: Greed is Eternal
    22nd rule of acquisition: A wise Man can hear profit in the wind.
    62nd rule of acquisition: The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
    76th rule of acquisition: Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your members.
    111th rule of acquisition: Treat people in your (spiritual) debt like family... exploit them.

  • @kentthalman4459
    @kentthalman4459 Рік тому +7

    Fawn's work still shines.

    • @NoteworthyAnalysis
      @NoteworthyAnalysis Місяць тому

      You realize again that Nemo is spreading lies. Rough Stone Rolling refers almost exclusively to the direct sources. The reference to Fawn Brodie's book of fairy tales is completely exaggerated and has nothing to do with the new book on Joseph Smith.

    • @kentthalman4459
      @kentthalman4459 Місяць тому

      @@NoteworthyAnalysis Please don't hesitate to state a falsehood that Brodie or Nemo spreads. Don't be shy. Without specifics you have zero credibility.

  • @gwenynmel5682
    @gwenynmel5682 Рік тому +2

    The only reason “the church” refers to Emma as Emma Smith is because for the purposes of LDS history that is who she was. Emma Bidaman was not part of the LDS history anymore.

  • @ChrisS-dt3vq
    @ChrisS-dt3vq Рік тому +1

    A bit of information: lately in Nauvoo theres been a change. Still looking for an answer. BUT Hyrum's body has been moved. You can walk around the graves of Joseph and Emma, no longer in the fenced in area. (Just this year)

  • @jeannycastro2379
    @jeannycastro2379 Рік тому +3

    Another one bites the dust!

  • @shmataboro8634
    @shmataboro8634 Рік тому +7

    Loved Rough Stone Rolling❤

  • @stanfordgraham8953
    @stanfordgraham8953 Рік тому +9

    Read Joseph Smith Papers.

  • @nathanielellis3457
    @nathanielellis3457 Рік тому +2

    I have a solid testimony of the Prophet Joesph Smith. I also have a degree in Geology. Ive utilized the scientific method stringently more than most, but its was not nearly as impotant to the soul as developing a relationship with the divine. Nothing brought me closer to God then the Book of Mormon.

    • @SilentThundersnow
      @SilentThundersnow Рік тому

      Your degree in Geology didn't require any spelling for the essays and tests? My degree required that I know how to spell. And write. And actually know The Scientific Method.
      It can't be used to show a religion is 'true.' It's a belief. It doesn't even claim to have factual evidence.
      And it's Joseph. Not Joesph.

    • @ethanpatch6840
      @ethanpatch6840 Рік тому

      @@SilentThundersnow Petty and snarky comments like this make critics of Mormonism look bad. Going after typos is low man

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      ​​@@SilentThundersnow
      Relax. He's probably dyslexic.

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      ​​@@ethanpatch6840
      Not really.
      Good grammar shows you haven't been in Nelson's camp of Lazy Learners.

    • @ethanpatch6840
      @ethanpatch6840 Рік тому

      @@ahashdahnagila6884 Alright man, keep indulging in that petty rhetoric.

  • @tufflion3344
    @tufflion3344 Рік тому +5

    Can't wait to read the 'saint washed' version 😄

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      The Nelson-washed version: after a messy surgery and sutures 🪡

  • @Gkit919
    @Gkit919 Рік тому

    I wonder how often this new JS biography will reference the Joseph Smith papers project 🤔

  • @3thingsfishing427
    @3thingsfishing427 Рік тому +26

    Must protect the tithing stream...

  • @Ghost-Toast819
    @Ghost-Toast819 Рік тому +6

    Nemo could you do a video on the witnesses. I’ve seen a lot of your stuff and others explain why the story of Joseph smith doesn’t makes sense but I haven’t found anyone able to argue against the witnesses of the Book of Mormon none of which ever denied their testimony of the plates.

    • @SilentThundersnow
      @SilentThundersnow Рік тому

      They left the church. Joseph kicked out some of them. They said they never saw the plates with their 'physical eyes.' They said they saw them with 'spiritual eyes.'
      That is highly suggestible and manipulatable. And not reliable evidence. Try that in a courtroom, they'll laugh you out of there. That's not evidence.

  • @DmanRC
    @DmanRC Рік тому +1

    The Turley version about old Joe will probably have many references to Rough Stone Rolling.

  • @ZelphBallard-bg9mt
    @ZelphBallard-bg9mt Рік тому

    if he was alive, they should get frank herbert to write it .. he knows all about prophets, revelations, chosen ones, fanaticism, imperfect leaders

  • @ladrac198
    @ladrac198 Рік тому +22

    My dad has read Rough Stone Rolling and claims it didn't shake his faith. No idea how

    • @scandia67
      @scandia67 Рік тому

      That's what all the TBMs say. Deep indoctrination is Teflon for the faithful.

    • @TheShodan92
      @TheShodan92 Рік тому +7

      All objective truth will have little or no effect upon any frozen member.

    • @utahman112
      @utahman112 Рік тому

      It never shook my faith, it showed me that Joseph was a real raw person, it was actually encouraging for me to see that god uses imperfect people, gave me more hope in myself

    • @TheShodan92
      @TheShodan92 Рік тому

      @@utahman112 Do you believe that God would draw the line somewhere as to who he would use for his purpose?.

    • @TheShodan92
      @TheShodan92 Рік тому +2

      @@utahman112 How much imperfection do you believe God would tolerate?.
      Example: Do you think God would tolerate a blatant liar and still permit that person to lead an organization that demands honesty?.

  • @kylarochelle4583
    @kylarochelle4583 Рік тому +1

    @Nemo, what happened with saints

  • @charlesmendeley9823
    @charlesmendeley9823 Рік тому +3

    I think you cannot undo a book that has been written and published, and in times of the internet, books have lost the status of primary authority anyway.

    • @mikeoyler2983
      @mikeoyler2983 Рік тому +1

      The issue is that the Church will no longer carry it at Deseret book and will fade from the general knowledge of the members. Fortunately, it was published by Alfred A. Knopf. This publisher has nothing to do with the LDS Church, so it will only go out of print if no one buys it anymore.

  • @runalongnowhoney
    @runalongnowhoney Рік тому +2

    Many decades ago, when I was in high school, the first presidency proclaimed that obedient members should dispose of any church publications more than four years old. Manuals, periodicals, things.of that nature. I recall at the time thinking "Memory Hole". I finally clawed my out of that crazy-town. It was a lot harder to quit back then, in my opinion. The isolation, and difficulty in getting facts about what the church hustory actually is.

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому +1

      ...It WAS much, much harder to resign from the Church, in those days.
      >> I remember home teaching an inactive Utah man, in my state far from church HQ, back in the 1960s.
      I recall thinking to myself, back then, why doesn't he just "quit"?
      (I knew there was something strange, going on, but I just didn't know what.)
      Later, years later, I pieced together the reason(s). The man knew he would have been excommunicated for merely "wanting" to leave!
      (True story.)

  • @DeathValleyDazed
    @DeathValleyDazed Рік тому +6

    Anything Dallin Oaks touches turns to rubbish.

  • @utahman112
    @utahman112 Рік тому

    I disagree with your narrative, I think it will be great to have another historians perspective. Rough stone rolling will never be replaced in my heart, that book touched me deeply and I’ve listened to it 5-6 times now, it strengthened my faith and admiration for Joseph and everything he went through and that god calls imperfect people.

    • @SilentThundersnow
      @SilentThundersnow Рік тому

      God calls imperfect people. always the excuse for false Prophets. People that claim to be prophets, by definition, have to meet a specific standard different than ordinary people, even Jesus warned of false prophets. That's because there's criteria to be one. And if they fail the test, the claim is always 'Nobody's perfect!' 'You're not perfect either!'
      Yeah well, I'm not claiming to have all of God's power given to me, and telling people that if they don't follow me, they won't get to God's highest heaven.
      ohh, and don't forget to give me your money. 10% please.
      and don't expect me to not act worse than most good people, because 'nobody's perfect.'
      Oh, and I can say and do whatever I want, and I don't need to pass any test for being a prophet cuz nobody's perfect!!!

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      ​@@SilentThundersnow
      LOL😂
      Well, he needs to know what the "acid test" was, for a prophet, anciently.
      Are you going to tell him, or shall I?

  • @moistmuffin3001
    @moistmuffin3001 Рік тому

    Woah woah woah. I hope I remember this when it gets published bc I need to buy it immediately

  • @karlelston8499
    @karlelston8499 11 місяців тому +1

    Rough Stone Rolling was too apologist for me. I thought Fawn Brodie told the JS story in a very clear way

    • @NEMOTHEMORMON
      @NEMOTHEMORMON  11 місяців тому

      I agree, but I don't think orthodox members were ever reading Brody, but they were reading RSR.

  • @iceguy9723
    @iceguy9723 Рік тому

    Bushman's book was too apologetic for me. Donna Hill's book was more formative for me.

  • @alantomlinson5740
    @alantomlinson5740 Рік тому +2

    Richard Bushman's book is very poor in my view. And you're right, he does rely on Fawn Brody quite a bit, and her work was flawed.

  • @Cascadian_6.5
    @Cascadian_6.5 Рік тому +3

    If the new biography isn’t honest it will be torn apart online, the church can no longer hide the truth

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      This gives credence to the expression "rip [them] a new a-ho".

  • @p.s.anders
    @p.s.anders 11 місяців тому +1

    Ya need to read Brody's book.

    • @NEMOTHEMORMON
      @NEMOTHEMORMON  11 місяців тому +1

      I certainly have, but most members are more likely to read the Deseret-Book-Sold ‘Rough Stone Rolling’ than the excommunicated-for-writing ‘No Man Knows My History’

  • @Homepageturned
    @Homepageturned Рік тому +2

    You will know the truth in about 10 years.

  • @PriscillaJohnson-gv1sl
    @PriscillaJohnson-gv1sl Рік тому

    No one will ever be published in my name again

  • @stuartsenften237
    @stuartsenften237 Рік тому +6

    No man knows Joseph's testosterone level! LOL

    • @NEMOTHEMORMON
      @NEMOTHEMORMON  Рік тому +1

      Hahaha!

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      ...it was high enough for him to go around, singing, "Bang, bang, she-bang".
      Now I know the real meaning of the old phrase, "I accepted the whole shebang!"

  • @kyrroti
    @kyrroti Рік тому +2

    What’s Richard Turley’s history? The name sounds familiar.

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Turley: director of the church's "public affairs dept."
      I wonder if "public affairs" is different from the "PR" department: where they pay an annual fee of over $1M to a New York (Jewish) firm that specializes in doing P-R makeovers.
      When (apostle) L. Tom Perry was still alive, he was given the assignment (the honor) of heading up that church makeover project.
      >>> I wrote to him and offered to send him a case of lipstick for that makeover. (Miss Piggy would have been pleased!)

  • @inChristalone1960
    @inChristalone1960 Рік тому

    Well, we can hope that JESUS returns or increases the birth pains before then. Tis the season.😊

  • @chrisbritton11
    @chrisbritton11 Рік тому

    Zzzzzz. I’ve read and own RSR. I also have all the Saints books. There are specific purposes for both. Whitewashing and exposing aren’t the purposes. Just as youve speculated about the new project and its purpose, a lot of what’s in RSR takes a truth and then draws speculations (which i loved). However the churches job, and i would say Gods job through scripture and revelation,is to testify of what the servants do in benefit of furthering the Fathers work. So from Adam to President Nelson we focus on their works that testified of Christ and the times they assisted in growing the kingdom. Although i would think it fascinating to learn more about Moses life prior to his calling. Or maybe the struggles he had in between being exiled and talking with God, it’s of little import when my interest should be in what they’re saying to bring me closer to Christ and help lead me to salvation.

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Should?
      You used the word "should".
      Be careful, or you might get some should on you!

  • @Pay-It_Forward
    @Pay-It_Forward Рік тому

    LOL, ROTFLMAO, Thanks Nemo!

  • @Jsppydays
    @Jsppydays 9 місяців тому

    Well, to many books and milky opinions. I'm staying with the history and the facts. Just saying. Anything like the Saints, I'm sick of the gaslighting. I also no longer buy books the leaders write. No longer supporting their narrative and not putting another dime in their pockets. Just saying

  • @user-ql2id3ml3i
    @user-ql2id3ml3i Рік тому +2

    the one world religion will require no Joseph Smith (they'll make him irrelevant) no Book of Mormon (phased out and eventually no Jesus Christ.

  • @mslaerik66
    @mslaerik66 Рік тому

    Do you think He will get money for the book or does the church keep it and gave Him a "Calling" to write the book for free!

  • @brotherinchrist72
    @brotherinchrist72 Рік тому

    Explain to me why you need to stay in Mormonism when you clearly are against it, and keep exposing the truth of Mormonism. You can help Mormons greatly even if you are no longer a member of their cult organization. I haven't heard Nemo once talk about the saving power of Jesus Christ, or profess the true gospel, or help people in Mormonism how to move in that direction, that you can have the real Jesus without Joseph Smith. Watch the videos Sandra Tanner and her husband made years back, who did find Christianity, and is out there helping others who are stuck in Mormonism learn about the true Jesus of the Bible.

    • @SilentThundersnow
      @SilentThundersnow Рік тому +1

      M0rm0ns don't have any idea who Jesus is. They rarely read the Bible , and when they do, it's a Sunday school teacher reading one line out of Matthew to back up his lesson.
      I spent 2 years digging through my Bible, the pages worn out. I realized the Jesus in there was completely different than the one I had been taught about. And I never knew he was throughout the entire Bible, not just the NT.
      I'm not ever going to be a part of any Christian group tho, and don't believe in religion, but the Jesus in the Bible is not in M0rm0nism.

    • @brotherinchrist72
      @brotherinchrist72 Рік тому

      @@SilentThundersnow Actually they were supposedly reading through the entire Bible over the past 2 years, the OT in 2022, and the NT in 2023.
      What amazes me is how they have twisted the meaning of God's word so much, they didn't even bat an eye when they got to Isaiah in the OT.
      Isaiah 43:10 “before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.“
      Isaiah 44:6 “ I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. “
      Isaiah 44:8 “ Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. “
      Yet they somehow come up with their own definitions, their own understanding, based on their false prophet Joseph Smith, who asserted and refuted God, by claiming God was once a man, who lived on an earth like ours, who proved himself worthy of exaltation and thus, eventually became our God, and this cycle has been ongoing forever.
      It it very sad to see such false teachings, they are spiritually blind, and sadly I fear many will end up in Hell for they believe in a works based salvation, and not the finished works of Jesus Christ, they do not believe in Grace alone, but "after all you can do"

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Replace the "Mormon Jesus" with a "Protestant Jesus"?

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Go buzz around a different swarm.

  • @NoteworthyAnalysis
    @NoteworthyAnalysis Місяць тому

    Fawn's book has numerous inaccuracies and is not a very good work at all. Nemo is again making hot air out of nothing.

  • @nevillerochowqc6933
    @nevillerochowqc6933 Рік тому +1

    If Turley writes it, you know it is so biased as to have no facts that would get in the way of the story he has to push.

  • @pattykake7195
    @pattykake7195 Рік тому +3

    So now Joe’s yearnings for very young girls behind Emma’s back…will go down the memory hole…and he will just be a wonderful monogamous Saint of a husband….🤥🤢

    • @Sentineloftheholynight
      @Sentineloftheholynight Рік тому

      They'll probably even make a spiritual movie out of it. Blow up the hype, have members watch it over and over, so when members get confronted with the truth in the future, they will only believe in the movie.

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Why not?!!
      They painted Brigham Young that way, in lesson manuals, some time ago.

  • @Croaven
    @Croaven Рік тому

    That's an awful lot of accusations and predictions based on a single comment with no evidence to back them up. Do you have anything other than bitter resentment and bias fueling these assumptions?

    • @SilentThundersnow
      @SilentThundersnow Рік тому

      yup. there's actually a fairly recent history of the church lying and changing its history to make it look better.).

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      ​@@SilentThundersnow
      Even the late apostle L. Tom Perry (someone I wrote to) was "called" to whitewash things: through "freshening up the image" of the Church (à la "makeover" fashion).
      I offered to send him a case of lipstick for "that" makeover!
      (I said something about how Miss Piggy would be happy if I did.)

  • @prophetcentral
    @prophetcentral Рік тому +2

    I worry that they will continue to throw their founding prophet under the Brighamite bus of polygamy. I will continue to fight against such a charge and doctrine. It is pollution and has no part in the kingdom of heaven, and Joseph knew it. The opposition was just too strong, and the Elders trampled him under foot.

    • @imkindofabigdeal4308
      @imkindofabigdeal4308 Рік тому +1

      Joseph's enthusiastic participation in polygamy is not contested by the church or by reputable scholars.

    • @prophetcentral
      @prophetcentral Рік тому

      @@imkindofabigdeal4308 it's a shame really. They drag his name through the mud following after his predecessors who took his name in vain as well as Christ's name to uphold a doctrine of the devil as Hyrum preached. I pray for repentance from such slander.

    • @imkindofabigdeal4308
      @imkindofabigdeal4308 Рік тому

      @@prophetcentral Not sure where you are attributing the slander. Are you saying that Joseph did NOT participate in polygamy?

    • @prophetcentral
      @prophetcentral Рік тому

      @@imkindofabigdeal4308 the slander comes from the most devout of members as well as the most anti of the world. Joseph refuted such slander since at least 1835 if not earlier as he says he was innocent and the same man in 1844 as in 1830. I believe Joseph over everyone who claims polygamy to be from God. Joseph never made such a claim. It has no bearing on salvation but rather became an abomination practiced in vanity before God in his name. It all began in vanity of Joseph's name saying he supposedly authorized it. His personal statements clearly refute such a preposterous claim.

    • @imkindofabigdeal4308
      @imkindofabigdeal4308 Рік тому

      @@prophetcentral That was a lot of words to not really answer a simple question. It is clear that Joseph practiced polygamy. It is clear that there was quite a bit of coercion. Also clear that his polygamy involved very young women. Don't really care what Joseph has to say. Too much evidence to the contrary.

  • @Clintcellington
    @Clintcellington Рік тому +1

    Wow. Talk about desperate act for membership maintenance. I can't wait to see the thick layer of glaze they pile on the poo. Lmao

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      Can you imagine if M&M candies were a "thick glaze over brown stuff"?
      Oaks would be dishing out the stuff even more vigorously than he is now!

  • @sotl97
    @sotl97 Рік тому

    There is so much more.information that have been found about the history of the church and the life of Joseph Smith since these books were written. Historians who left the church over the information that had been found are coming back to the church because of the new information. Why? Because we simply did not fully understand what really went on. This is going to be a new biography based on the additional information we now have, which as rendered the earlier writings that we now know we're not based on good data.
    I know this is going to ruffle the feathers of Nemo and all the other haters out there because they want wrong information. They can't handle the truth.

  • @KM15Athletics
    @KM15Athletics Рік тому

    Ya MashAllah La Ilaha IlAllah Joseph Smith RasulUllah ☪️🕌🕋

  • @gdog3finally
    @gdog3finally Рік тому +3

    Dickey Turley is the cheesiest of all apologist😢

    • @ahashdahnagila6884
      @ahashdahnagila6884 Рік тому

      "Rick". He likes to be called "Rick".
      😂
      Or, RICHARD EYRING TURLEY, Jr.
      (EYRING? Gawd! Not another relative of Camilla!)
      >>> Yes, they're all family.

  • @pould
    @pould Рік тому +1

    Brodie with an ie, but otherwise excellent

    • @NEMOTHEMORMON
      @NEMOTHEMORMON  Рік тому

      Great catch, thanks!

    • @pould
      @pould Рік тому

      @@NEMOTHEMORMON You're very welcome - keep up the good work

  • @jimbosnoberger9420
    @jimbosnoberger9420 Рік тому

    A new untrue story. 😮

  • @chadhamblin47
    @chadhamblin47 Рік тому

    Don’t you have anything better to do!