Ira Williams Less a feminist, more a practical woman who wanted to succeed where her mother and various other figures in her life had failed. She desired power over the people who would traditionally have controlled her because of the deep mistrust in people like her mother, and she goes about snatching power back from them in some very petty / immature ways in some instances... The Flora Hastings incident comes to mind as a particularly poorly managed attempt to disgrace an enemy
“I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of ‘Women’s Rights,’ with all its attendant horrors… Were women to “unsex” themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen, and disgusting of beings and would surely perish without male protection.” - Queen Victoria
@@patchesohoolihan666 I haven't argued with any feminists about feminism in over a year, but the next time I do, I'll make sure I remember to post that quote. I wonder what they will think?
But she was incredibly in love with Albert so naturally after he passed she was in a dark place, a very lonely place until Abdul Karim came into her life. If you lost someone you loved more than anyone else that would send you the way Victoria went.
Tom Hughes quote on a man having to restrain his intelligence is quite ironic because that is what women have constantly had to when faced with a male dominated society.
Couldn't have expressed it better. 'Restraint' was the shackle that was put on our wrists since infanthood. Victoria was Queen and yet, for all her power and vested glory, she had to constantly prove herself.
Victoria possessed rather keen instincts - what in modern terms is referred to as situation awareness. One glaring exception was the Irish Potato Famine - the Queen could not fathom the uniform, insidious and pervasive discrimination against Catholics by the Protestant ruling class - and to his day - remains a stain/blight upon the legacy of British rule.
I think in Season 2 they do cover the Irish Potato Famine and in the show at least, it shows that Victoria wanted to help but Parliament couldn’t agree or something along those lines. And later in her life I think Victoria did regret what happened during the Irish Potato Famine
@@kytyoy5694 You feel powerful because of your height? What are you? A primitive needing your height to survive among other primitives? Let's stop the idiocy of believing height makes someone superior. Biased and limiting belief systems are not useful. A short woman - Queen Victoria - was something that you the 'taller' one will never ever be, sorry sweetie, it is what it is. Seek your power from your character, knowledge and goodness, not from illogical beauty standards.
Whatever your height is buddy, you are enough and great as you are, do not let the primitive people define standards for you. It is not height that makes the person, it is character - and strong and ethical character is somthing our previous society leaders did not really have - hence those unintelligent standards assigned to humans.
@@rewiredhuman3347 How is high an illogical beauty standard? I'm not saying that I'm better than a queen who ruled an entire country efficiently, I was pointing out that I've always been considered the shortest and for once I felt tall. Is there a problem with that?
The appeal of Victoria and her ability to stand the tests of her era, [if it could so much as be put in a mere statement], could no be better said than that by British Prime minister Sir Winston Churchill: that, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.'' [*simply paraphasing for the sake of space available. Don't quote me on that...] → “Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.” (“The Sphinx Without a Secret”, Oscar Wilde) → “I am every day more convinced that we women, if we are to be good women, feminine and amiable and domestic, are not fitted to reign; at least it is they that drive themselves to the work which it entails.” (Queen Victoria) → “Men never think, at least seldom think, what a hard task it is for us women to go through this very often. God’s will be done, and if He decrees that we are to have a great number of children why we must try to bring them up as useful and exemplary members of society.” (Queen Victoria)
"Ruled" is rather an inappropriate term. Current british monarchs are more figureheads and have no (or little) say on how the country is ran. Why they still exist is beyond me...same for other countries that have elected officials, but still waste taxpayer money on kings/queens and their decendant and their lifestyles.
@@SaphireKancer90 What tax payer's money ? The monarchy represents the culture and tradition of a country. Many non-european country still preserve their monarchy. Maybe some self-loathing culturless buffons can't digest it but it is part of a country's heritage.
Shame on PBS who is now making people pay to see episodes they missed. "P" now stands for Public or Pricey. Also shame on you for taking Koch Industries as an advertiser!!!
I knew! I downloaded the PBS app because I wabted to watch Downton Abby, but I was shocked to learn that I had to pay! The show's been off the air for years now! So annoying!
From what I understand, Queen Victoria hated governance, politics, the women's rights movement, and thought women belonged in the home. She was quite happy Albert took so eagerly to it, and let her not. The woman wasn't a feminist icon, she just happened to be queen.
i adore this serial. its wonderful and gorgeous!👍but victoria was quiete nervous and angry in serial. was it because of pregnancy and childbirth or are there a lot of features of feminist attitude ?
In real life Lord M was in his 60s, a supporter of slavery and child labour, having a thing for underage girls, cheating on his wife, with lots of sex scandals. Victoria also got into many troubles thanks to him. And you think she would have been better if she had married him???
I just LOVE to see those stupid actors talking about Queen Victoria as if they knew anything about her. They were merely repeating the words written to them, nothing else. I also think the way to understand her is to see how she treated her children. That is how one can judge her character.
Eu Sei you clearly haven't been watching these for too long. Jenna Coleman was given the opportunity to read Victoria's personal journals and diaries. That is where her knowledge comes from. Including the journals that speak of her children. She loved her children but she was queen in a time in which mothers and queens "couldn't" be the same thing.
That's a very harsh comment regarding the series. Personally i think, and I'm sure many would agree with me that the cast gave a brilliant performance and the series has been very well-produced as well as directed. Sure, there might be some historical inaccuracies ( which no doubt is the same for EVERY series intended to depict people and their lives more than a CENTURY ago) but overall, all the characters have been brilliantly portrayed with Jenna Coleman definitely giving the part of Queen Victoria its due. I myself certainly find the series a well-worth pastime. Or perhaps you could do us all a favour and publish an article giving full explainations and evidence as to why you think the actors are so incompetent as to guarantee such severe criticism from your side. At the very least, please do refrain from insulting people and their efforts without having full knowledge about the subject.
Any actor worth their salt will study the characters they are portraying (particularly if they are historical people) and do their best interpretation based on what they've researched. They will have more knowledge of these historical figures than the general public, though probably not as much as a true historian. I'm sure they know what they're talking about here.
@lcyw20 Not only did she read Victoria's diaries Jenna had to learn to ride side saddle and dance since Queen Victoria loved riding and was an enthusiastic dancer when she was younger.
There's lots of historical proof that Victoria loved her children. Yes,she might have called them ugly as babies but like every mother,she cared about them. A momentary reaction to a situation may be insufficient to judge and get the full picture of someone's personality
"What my country needs right now is a queen. Not a brood mare." such a feminist quote!
Ira Williams true ! The country didn't need a brood mare !!
And yet oddly she wasn’t a feminist
Ira Williams
Less a feminist, more a practical woman who wanted to succeed where her mother and various other figures in her life had failed. She desired power over the people who would traditionally have controlled her because of the deep mistrust in people like her mother, and she goes about snatching power back from them in some very petty / immature ways in some instances... The Flora Hastings incident comes to mind as a particularly poorly managed attempt to disgrace an enemy
“I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of ‘Women’s Rights,’ with all its attendant horrors… Were women to “unsex” themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen, and disgusting of beings and would surely perish without male protection.” - Queen Victoria
@@patchesohoolihan666 I haven't argued with any feminists about feminism in over a year, but the next time I do, I'll make sure I remember to post that quote. I wonder what they will think?
Is this the Victoria who once her husband died never stopped wearing black for the rest of her life?
Sam Anthos yes,it is.She was worthless after he died as Queen.
But she was incredibly in love with Albert so naturally after he passed she was in a dark place, a very lonely place until Abdul Karim came into her life. If you lost someone you loved more than anyone else that would send you the way Victoria went.
@@hollyparker7059 thats depressing😑😑😑
organic crystalmeth Depressing but sadly true.
Actually, Victoria was even more active as a queen after her husband died, i believe he controlled her quite a lot
Tom Hughes quote on a man having to restrain his intelligence is quite ironic because that is what women have constantly had to when faced with a male dominated society.
I was thinking the same thing!
Couldn't have expressed it better. 'Restraint' was the shackle that was put on our wrists since infanthood. Victoria was Queen and yet, for all her power and vested glory, she had to constantly prove herself.
Victoria possessed rather keen instincts - what in modern terms is referred to as situation awareness. One glaring exception was the Irish Potato Famine - the Queen could not fathom the uniform, insidious and pervasive discrimination against Catholics by the Protestant ruling class - and to his day - remains a stain/blight upon the legacy of British rule.
WRONG
as she helped ease the problem by getting 1st hand a report an influencing.
Mark Gable
So the millions of Irish that literally wasted away to nothing more than skin and bone is an exaggeration?
I think in Season 2 they do cover the Irish Potato Famine and in the show at least, it shows that Victoria wanted to help but Parliament couldn’t agree or something along those lines. And later in her life I think Victoria did regret what happened during the Irish Potato Famine
Omg the last line, well done Victoria :^)
What a great interview from the cast. Can't wait to see the newest season :))
4’11?? Well, now I feel tall 😂
Same
She's about my mom's hight...I'm taller than one of the greatest queens of England. Makes me feel a special kind of powerful.
@@kytyoy5694 You feel powerful because of your height? What are you? A primitive needing your height to survive among other primitives? Let's stop the idiocy of believing height makes someone superior. Biased and limiting belief systems are not useful.
A short woman - Queen Victoria - was something that you the 'taller' one will never ever be, sorry sweetie, it is what it is. Seek your power from your character, knowledge and goodness, not from illogical beauty standards.
Whatever your height is buddy, you are enough and great as you are, do not let the primitive people define standards for you. It is not height that makes the person, it is character - and strong and ethical character is somthing our previous society leaders did not really have - hence those unintelligent standards assigned to humans.
@@rewiredhuman3347 How is high an illogical beauty standard? I'm not saying that I'm better than a queen who ruled an entire country efficiently, I was pointing out that I've always been considered the shortest and for once I felt tall. Is there a problem with that?
Jenna Coleman is fabulously beautiful.
The appeal of Victoria and her ability to stand the tests of her era, [if it could so much as be put in a mere statement], could no be better said than that by British Prime minister Sir Winston Churchill: that, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.'' [*simply paraphasing for the sake of space available. Don't quote me on that...]
→ “Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.” (“The Sphinx Without a Secret”, Oscar Wilde)
→ “I am every day more convinced that we women, if we are to be good women, feminine and amiable and domestic, are not fitted to reign; at least it is they that drive themselves to the work which it entails.” (Queen Victoria)
→ “Men never think, at least seldom think, what a hard task it is for us women to go through this very often. God’s will be done, and if He decrees that we are to have a great number of children why we must try to bring them up as useful and exemplary members of society.” (Queen Victoria)
i do love queen victoria
Jeezus! Jenna is beautiful it's almost excruciating! 😂
i love the show
jenna coleman as queen victoria
tom hughes as prince albert
To think Queen Elizabeth has ruled for nearly 70 years!
"Ruled" is rather an inappropriate term. Current british monarchs are more figureheads and have no (or little) say on how the country is ran. Why they still exist is beyond me...same for other countries that have elected officials, but still waste taxpayer money on kings/queens and their decendant and their lifestyles.
@@SaphireKancer90 What tax payer's money ? The monarchy represents the culture and tradition of a country. Many non-european country still preserve their monarchy. Maybe some self-loathing culturless buffons can't digest it but it is part of a country's heritage.
Alex's caracter is always the queen's stupy uncle. ha ha ha ha
Alex Jennings nailed the role.
Tom looks and sounds just like Sam Claflin.
I did not know she was that short.
Actually uncle my country now needs "the queen".... Masterof all pieces
Shame on PBS who is now making people pay to see episodes they missed. "P" now stands for Public or Pricey. Also shame on you for taking Koch Industries as an advertiser!!!
I knew! I downloaded the PBS app because I wabted to watch Downton Abby, but I was shocked to learn that I had to pay! The show's been off the air for years now! So annoying!
Did Albert speak English?
King leopold became EDWARD VIII
Lol that’s what I noticed when I watched this !
Lady ollena
Beautiful
4'11?!!!!
En français svp
From what I understand, Queen Victoria hated governance, politics, the women's rights movement, and thought women belonged in the home. She was quite happy Albert took so eagerly to it, and let her not. The woman wasn't a feminist icon, she just happened to be queen.
I didn’t like the British accent till Jenna Coleman spoke it
Not a. Queen, she over come mostmiserble time of century
Hers grand parents.ruin lindholmensgard in Sweden and escaped back to the north of Sweden.
i adore this serial. its wonderful and gorgeous!👍but victoria was quiete nervous and angry in serial. was it because of pregnancy and childbirth or are there a lot of features of feminist attitude ?
She would have been so much better with Lord M
Well not really because he died when she was 27, so she would have become a widow so incredibly young and possibly would have gone into mourning then.
🤮⚰️
In real life Lord M was in his 60s, a supporter of slavery and child labour, having a thing for underage girls, cheating on his wife, with lots of sex scandals. Victoria also got into many troubles thanks to him. And you think she would have been better if she had married him???
Lord M had a reputation and not a very good one. LOL He was notorious for being a rake.
I just LOVE to see those stupid actors talking about Queen Victoria as if they knew anything about her. They were merely repeating the words written to them, nothing else. I also think the way to understand her is to see how she treated her children. That is how one can judge her character.
Eu Sei you clearly haven't been watching these for too long. Jenna Coleman was given the opportunity to read Victoria's personal journals and diaries. That is where her knowledge comes from. Including the journals that speak of her children. She loved her children but she was queen in a time in which mothers and queens "couldn't" be the same thing.
That's a very harsh comment regarding the series. Personally i think, and I'm sure many would agree with me that the cast gave a brilliant performance and the series has been very well-produced as well as directed. Sure, there might be some historical inaccuracies ( which no doubt is the same for EVERY series intended to depict people and their lives more than a CENTURY ago) but overall, all the characters have been brilliantly portrayed with Jenna Coleman definitely giving the part of Queen Victoria its due. I myself certainly find the series a well-worth pastime. Or perhaps you could do us all a favour and publish an article giving full explainations and evidence as to why you think the actors are so incompetent as to guarantee such severe criticism from your side. At the very least, please do refrain from insulting people and their efforts without having full knowledge about the subject.
Any actor worth their salt will study the characters they are portraying (particularly if they are historical people) and do their best interpretation based on what they've researched. They will have more knowledge of these historical figures than the general public, though probably not as much as a true historian. I'm sure they know what they're talking about here.
@lcyw20 Not only did she read Victoria's diaries Jenna had to learn to ride side saddle and dance since Queen Victoria loved riding and was an enthusiastic dancer when she was younger.
There's lots of historical proof that Victoria loved her children. Yes,she might have called them ugly as babies but like every mother,she cared about them. A momentary reaction to a situation may be insufficient to judge and get the full picture of someone's personality