this is the clearest interview i've seen on this channel. i found some of the others to be pretty vague about the subjects that frequently come up: whether there's a final event or not, whether it's a sudden or gradual change, what specifically changes in terms of experience / identity / actions etc. i find wayne is VERY clear when addressing these things
Liquorman must be one the guests on this show who speaks with the most pointedness, the least conceptual clutter. He made some things clear for me here....
Wayne comes across as the real deal. Authentically being just who he is and not going for the hard sell as so many satsang teachers for whom it is clearly a business.
Comfort, financial security, success, age, all these things can reduce away "longing". However longing serves it's 'purpose'. Don't wish to trade places with anyone, you know that makes no soulful sense, there are many 'shiny' lights that want you to look and like them, both in spiritual and non spiritual circles. Your spiritual journey is your own inescapable, purposeful, heroic, spiritual quest, full of all the challenges that shall trial and make you. Keep it real
wayne talks clearly in this interview about how Understanding and behaviour aren't linked. nisargadatta for example, smoked and sold tobacco, and would frequently yell at visitors and kick them out of satsang
"Actions are in every case performed by the Gunas [forces] of Nature. He whose mind is deluded by the sense of ‘I’ holds ‘I am the doer’." -- Bhagavad-Gita Chapter Three, Verse 27 (Translation by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
Right Craig, but then there's "you have control over action alone, never over its fruits" and other such verses which imply doership and free will. "Knowledge is different at different levels of consciousness". Sound familiar?
@@Batgap Yup, chapter 2 v. 47. Different knowledge in different states. When there is no thought of the fruits of action then one is totally absorbed in the action. This leads to awareness of the Divine which pervades the action and is the almighty power at its basis leading it to ultimate fulfillment. The next verse describes that state as cosmic consciousness.
If you look at all people they all inherit their own specific neurology and biology. As the person grows that neurology is indoctrinated, programmed and conditioned (wired and fired) to become what it is. A saint, A lover, A murderer, etc. So the author of all thoughts and actions is the functioning of the totality, not the individual. If this is truly seen, self regret, recrimination, pride etc is gone. We neither blame others or blame ourselves. We are free from the illusion of free will. It's wonderful. I love and forgive all including myself. "I do nothing, God does all" Ramesh Balsekar
I listened to many non dual youtube videos for years, simply searching for someone who was having an experience similar to my experience. Non duality was the closest I found but it was not at all the same. I made a video to share my experience of no self. And when I say no self I mean I see no individuals anywhere I look. For anyone that is interested, here's the link to the youtube video: Most similar to non duality but really nothing like it.
The fact that we are unconscious of the brain and nervous system functioning and that of hormones etc. Does not prove that we have not free will. This is a very superficial and simplistic way to explain subjects like this.
I know what you mean, I hate this treatment of animals too, since it puts them through unnecessary suffering. Some people argue, that this is the way how the lobsters are prepared, but that is unacceptable. Killing it first quickly before boiling would have no effect on the quality of the meat... - On the other hand, the nature itself has no mercy either. But man should probably know better and act adequately, cause he is capable of recognizing what is he doing. (Ramana would never harm a fly)
If there is no I or ego then it is impossible to be like or dislike. Like and dislike are the chief marks of the ego. If these two currents continue after the supposed realization then the ego is playing the role there is no ego and none to take authorship and pretending that everything happens by itself. It is easy for the ego to pretend that there is not authorship or agency or doer but is impossible for the ego stop having likes and dislikes because these qualities are the very nature of the ego. That means that if like and dislike continue after awakening, there is not talk about realization which is synonymous with liberation from the ego. And he who says that like and dislike happen to him without any authorship is deluded by his ego
Ha.. so if you weren't deluded by ego, you wouldn't LIKE having a gorgeous person ready to sleep with you, and DISLIKE having a horrible person ready to kick the crap out of you? :)
Of course you didn't. Like dislike are reactions of the ego only. If ego is dead who will have like or dislike? Men like liquerman had some kind of awakening and they think that this is all there is about enlightenment. But this is not the true.
***** Really? So if someone 'without an ego' had a choice between sleeping with the gorgeous person and being beaten by the horrible person, they'd just be totally neutral, no preference either way, not caring which of those things happened? Wow ok... If that's what having no ego is like, I don't want to be without an ego!
Since you are functioning through the ego it is impossible to understand how a free from ego person will act in each situation. Jesus Christ for example apparently angry threw out from the temple of Solomon the traders. After some time he let himself be arrested by the soldiers without any resistance and when Peter cut off the ear of a soldier he put it back and said to Peter not to react violently. You are confused from the exterior behaviour of a sage while you ignore his inner state of consciousness and his mind. But since the ego still is functioning in you, it doesn't like to hear the truth and resiste it. It is because like and dislike still operate in your mind and your ego in order to feel enlightened consider that like and dislike is just functioning in the space of consciousness without an agent behind this. Ok do not feel offended from what I am telling you, you are neither the first one nor the last deluded by his ego.You have still the opportunity and the time to disolve it. Do your practice diligently, with determination, confindence and sincerity and one day you will understand by your own experience what i am saying you now. Peace and love
***** Ha.. no thanks.. like I said, am not interested in being free of likes and dislikes. If I want that I can drink a lot of alcohol - then I'll be in a completely neutral, care-free state. What I am interested in though, is being at peace with who I am, INCLUDING my likes and dislikes. I happen to think that makes more sense.
you're missing the point here. TRUE JNANI IS NOT IN CONTRADICTION WITH HIS TEACHING. killing and causing UNNECESSARY suffering is not his style, however, he can at some point 'appear' to hurt others. causing unnecessary suffering from negligence or lack of concern is 'not cool'... I assure you, the most powerful being who COULD is the last person who WILL.
Wayne Liquorman is lost in his own light, probably living pretty comfortably off that by the looks of it. The Other guy is brilliant, he is the non script.....awake...This is spiritual halarity, the other guy is in a state of non knowing exploration, he is beautiful and real, contrasting with Waynes spiritual wank. I say it with Love :-) You are you, and only you can find yourself, godbless, do not follow men, but know them....Love to you
Wayne to me represents TRUE ADVAITA/LIKE RAMANA ADVAITA. This nonsense that U become this perfect person when U get enlightened is one of those CONCEPTS that keep seekers so ignorant especially many who've come out of the TM movement. The outside may change (after all things change) but it's the INSIDE that exhibits enlightenment. If you're an ASS****, U will probably end up being an Enlightened ASS***(& I've met more then a few!).Just BE U! That's the only requirement for Enlightenment!
I'm sorry, I'm finding this guy very annoying. It's like he's purposely making things difficult for you, Rick, being contrary and evasive and just not offering much. Also, and maybe this is just the camera angle, but his head tilted back and to the side is distracting.
Kathleen, I'm sorry, I'm finding you very annoying. It's like you're purposely making things difficult, being contrary and evasive and just not offering much. But I love you and I forgive myself for thinking I can judge and make real something that does not exist in reality. Lift you the speck from my eye?
The Source is very bored of this guy. The Source is going to hit the stop button. The Source is going to make Its own inquiry, rather than following on the coattails of this guy and his guru's coattails. I'll say this: I'm glad this guy is only a wave.
this is a very precise pointing to reslity that’s clear
reality of what is in teslity
this is the clearest interview i've seen on this channel.
i found some of the others to be pretty vague about the subjects that frequently come up: whether there's a final event or not, whether it's a sudden or gradual change, what specifically changes in terms of experience / identity / actions etc.
i find wayne is VERY clear when addressing these things
Liquorman must be one the guests on this show who speaks with the most pointedness, the least conceptual clutter. He made some things clear for me here....
I love you, Rick. You're great. Thanks.
many people to who awakening have started are giving out satsangs nowdays but the number of total absens of "me" people/teachers are still rare.
Wayne comes across as the real deal. Authentically being just who he is and not going for the hard sell as so many satsang teachers for whom it is clearly a business.
Great interview! Thank you!
Thanks Rick. You are so good at this stuff.
Comfort, financial security, success, age, all these things can reduce away "longing". However longing serves it's 'purpose'. Don't wish to trade places with anyone, you know that makes no soulful sense, there are many 'shiny' lights that want you to look and like them, both in spiritual and non spiritual circles. Your spiritual journey is your own inescapable, purposeful, heroic, spiritual quest, full of all the challenges that shall trial and make you. Keep it real
your headless posts are all over the nondual youtube world
and yes i went there it's very good
"rocks" and "mountains" are Spirit just as we are Spirit. There is no separation. A "rock" is as alive as you are.
enlightenment is remembering that you are beyond the body. being beyond the body, you experience all things.
Thats a big rock, gave me a chuckle :)
A resting wave is what you are, an ocean to yourself.
wayne talks clearly in this interview about how Understanding and behaviour aren't linked. nisargadatta for example, smoked and sold tobacco, and would frequently yell at visitors and kick them out of satsang
"Actions are in every case performed by the Gunas [forces] of Nature. He
whose mind is deluded by the sense of ‘I’ holds ‘I am the doer’." -- Bhagavad-Gita Chapter Three, Verse 27 (Translation by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
Right Craig, but then there's "you have control over action alone, never over its fruits" and other such verses which imply doership and free will. "Knowledge is different at different levels of consciousness". Sound familiar?
@@Batgap Yup, chapter 2 v. 47. Different knowledge in different states. When there is no thought of the fruits of action then one is totally absorbed in the action. This leads to awareness of the Divine which pervades the action and is the almighty power at its basis leading it to ultimate fulfillment. The next verse describes that state as cosmic consciousness.
so intense. slow your roll homie.lmho
If you look at all people they all inherit their own specific neurology and biology. As the person grows that neurology is indoctrinated, programmed and conditioned (wired and fired) to become what it is. A saint, A lover, A murderer, etc. So the author of all thoughts and actions is the functioning of the totality, not the individual. If this is truly seen, self regret, recrimination, pride etc is gone. We neither blame others or blame ourselves. We are free from the illusion of free will. It's wonderful. I love and forgive all including myself. "I do nothing, God does all" Ramesh Balsekar
@Bennett5629 Yep. This is exactly what the unity-consciousness episode reveals. Blessings!
I listened to many non dual youtube videos for years, simply searching for someone who was having an experience similar to my experience. Non duality was the closest I found but it was not at all the same. I made a video to share my experience of no self. And when I say no self I mean I see no individuals anywhere I look. For anyone that is interested, here's the link to the youtube video: Most similar to non duality but really nothing like it.
+J Mac Any experience of the past has nothing to do with the truth of what is.
Wow, that is such profound knowledge. Thank you so much. I'm impressed.
can you explain what did you mean by this statement?
The fact that we are unconscious of the brain and nervous system functioning and that of hormones etc. Does not prove that we have not free will.
This is a very superficial and simplistic way to explain subjects like this.
Are you an example of what headless.org will do for a person? Turn him into a fundamentalist who spams relentlessly?
I know what you mean, I hate this treatment of animals too, since it puts them through unnecessary suffering. Some people argue, that this is the way how the lobsters are prepared, but that is unacceptable. Killing it first quickly before boiling would have no effect on the quality of the meat... - On the other hand, the nature itself has no mercy either. But man should probably know better and act adequately, cause he is capable of recognizing what is he doing. (Ramana would never harm a fly)
I thought the Liquorman was chill
If there is no I or ego then it is impossible to be like or dislike. Like and dislike are the chief marks of the ego.
If these two currents continue after the supposed realization then the ego is playing the role there is no ego and none to take authorship and pretending that everything happens by itself.
It is easy for the ego to pretend that there is not authorship or agency or doer but is impossible for the ego stop having likes and dislikes because these qualities are the very nature of the ego. That means that if like and dislike continue after awakening, there is not talk about realization which is synonymous with liberation from the ego.
And he who says that like and dislike happen to him without any authorship is deluded by his ego
Ha.. so if you weren't deluded by ego, you wouldn't LIKE having a gorgeous person ready to sleep with you, and DISLIKE having a horrible person ready to kick the crap out of you? :)
Of course you didn't. Like dislike are reactions of the ego only. If ego is dead who will have like or dislike?
Men like liquerman had some kind of awakening and they think that this is all there is about enlightenment. But this is not the true.
***** Really? So if someone 'without an ego' had a choice between sleeping with the gorgeous person and being beaten by the horrible person, they'd just be totally neutral, no preference either way, not caring which of those things happened? Wow ok... If that's what having no ego is like, I don't want to be without an ego!
Since you are functioning through the ego it is impossible to understand how a free from ego person will act in each situation.
Jesus Christ for example apparently angry threw out from the temple of Solomon the traders. After some time he let himself be arrested by the soldiers without any resistance and when Peter cut off the ear of a soldier he put it back and said to Peter not to react violently.
You are confused from the exterior behaviour of a sage while you ignore his inner state of consciousness and his mind.
But since the ego still is functioning in you, it doesn't like to hear the truth and resiste it. It is because like and dislike still operate in your mind and your ego in order to feel enlightened consider that like and dislike is just functioning in the space of consciousness without an agent behind this.
Ok do not feel offended from what I am telling you, you are neither the first one nor the last deluded by his ego.You have still the opportunity and the time to disolve it. Do your practice diligently, with determination, confindence and sincerity and one day you will understand by your own experience what i am saying you now.
Peace and love
***** Ha.. no thanks.. like I said, am not interested in being free of likes and dislikes. If I want that I can drink a lot of alcohol - then I'll be in a completely neutral, care-free state. What I am interested in though, is being at peace with who I am, INCLUDING my likes and dislikes. I happen to think that makes more sense.
you're missing the point here. TRUE JNANI IS NOT IN CONTRADICTION WITH HIS TEACHING. killing and causing UNNECESSARY suffering is not his style, however, he can at some point 'appear' to hurt others. causing unnecessary suffering from negligence or lack of concern is 'not cool'... I assure you, the most powerful being who COULD is the last person who WILL.
Wayne Liquorman is lost in his own light, probably living pretty comfortably off that by the looks of it. The Other guy is brilliant, he is the non script.....awake...This is spiritual halarity, the other guy is in a state of non knowing exploration, he is beautiful and real, contrasting with Waynes spiritual wank. I say it with Love :-) You are you, and only you can find yourself, godbless, do not follow men, but know them....Love to you
He boiled alive innocent lobsters at some get together. I can't get the image out of my mind..
Go to headless.org and be through with it all!!
Wayne to me represents TRUE ADVAITA/LIKE RAMANA ADVAITA. This nonsense that U become this perfect person when U get enlightened is one of those CONCEPTS that keep seekers so ignorant especially many who've come out of the TM movement. The outside may change (after all things change) but it's the INSIDE that exhibits enlightenment. If you're an ASS****, U will probably end up being an Enlightened ASS***(& I've met more then a few!).Just BE U! That's the only requirement for Enlightenment!
Liquorman kills innocent animals. I wouldn't give one minute to this guy.
Nakky Dave events happen,deeds are done,no individual doer
I'm sorry, I'm finding this guy very annoying. It's like he's purposely making things difficult for you, Rick, being contrary and evasive and just not offering much. Also, and maybe this is just the camera angle, but his head tilted back and to the side is distracting.
Kathleen, I'm sorry, I'm finding you very annoying. It's like you're purposely making things difficult, being contrary and evasive and just not offering much. But I love you and I forgive myself for thinking I can judge and make real something that does not exist in reality. Lift you the speck from my eye?
The Source is very bored of this guy. The Source is going to hit the stop button. The Source is going to make Its own inquiry, rather than following on the coattails of this guy and his guru's coattails. I'll say this: I'm glad this guy is only a wave.