I did the read file on VCM Editor and i've got the file opened in VCM Editor. Where is the "Boost Pressure Control 0" located. I assume I click on "Engine" tab then it pulls up "GENERAL", "IDLE", "AIRFLOW", "FUEL", DIESEL FUELING", "DIESEL TIMING", and "TORQUE MANAGEMENT"? Thank you
@@JaegerWrenching Didn't think bout it but I forgot to mention I have a 22 L5P and the file seems a bit different. Under Torque Management, there are "Vane Position - Low Alt", "Vane Position - Med Alt" and "Vane Position - High Alt." Under each of the "Vane Position" tabs there are sub tabs e.g. "Ref Map C1", "Ref Map C2", "Ref Map D1" etc. Which one of those tabs should I adjust? I want to say it's "Ref Map C1" under "Vane Position - Low Alt" but I cant be certain. Thank you
I switched yesterday to the GDP Banana Smoothie tune and had the hiss.. It never occurred to me that "rumble" referenced the exhaust sound. Thanks for the info!
The “banana smoothie” makes me laugh. You have to be cocky to think you’re going to kill the 6r140 on tune alone. You can make 600 or very close to it on tune alone in the 16+ little less in 11-14 and that’s not gonna hurt the 6r140
Man! 3min 30sec in I had to pause and post this comment and tell you that you explain very well and seemingly well versed. Thank you for making this video. Back to it now👍
Great explanation. So is there any more or less fuel used at idle from one setting to another? If closed helps with the off-idle starting torque, does having the rumble tune affect the performance while driving, starting off, etc or does the actuation of the vanes happen fast during tip-in of the throttle?
So all and all. What’s better for the truck in general. I have the ez link and they just released a rumble & a hiss tune. Want whatever will be better for the truck in the end but still sound good
It doesn't matter which one you choose, the vanes move so often that the little time it spends at idle doesn't change anything for longer or less turbo/engine life. I will say a hiss tune will yield slightly hotter idle EGTs. About 270F with a rumble tune and 340F with a hiss tune. That temp is negligible, about a 5% swing in the total allowable EGT scale. Don't over think it.
That's because your's is waste gated along with variable vane. When the waste gate opens it lets out the whooshing sound! Only model years 11-14 are like that. The 2015-2020 are VGT only.
JaegerWrenching honestly is there any point for the waste gate on a VGT turbo, it sounds cool as fuck but i’m thinking of changing it out for a 15+ style turbo.
FlyinRaptorJesus really??? i figured it was that cuz the wastegate under load makes a different sound than the spook up and spoil down at idle, do you know why the turbo dose that? or is it a matter of the tuner it’s running
@@zeus6.717 The noise you're hearing is from a vane sweep and the waste gate opening during the vane sweep at idle. So technically it's from both the waste gate and the vanes making noise simultaneously.
I'm late to the party, but great video! Is there a point that too much hiss will create too much back pressure, or should the actuator min position calibration prevent that? Which maps (if any) will achieve the same in a SID209 2016 3.2 Ranger? Presently having multiple turbo failure dramas and my gut feel its something back pressure related. Have just today installed a manifold pressure test point. Not sure what sort of pressure would be considered excessive for this engine though. Anyway, cheers from south australia
It's not every going to be "too closed" at idle, your main worry is the ratio of boost to back pressure, as that determines the turbos efficiency and shaft speed and thrust load..
@JaegerWrenching thanks for the reply. I had the new turbo fitted with a shaft speed sensor. I fitted a pressure test point in the exhaust manifold. Also fitted pressure/temp test point in IC hot-side pipe. Wanted to have as much data available before i go back to the tuners. What pressure ratio would you consider to be maximum? (this is a modified PX1 turbocharger).
Technically the sound is generated at the turbine wheel, IE: 10 blade turbine makes more jet engine/high pitch whistle and 13 blade 05-07 less whistle. But the vanes play a big role in the hiss portion and the turbine blade count makes the whistle.
This is a great description especially for people who are not computer geeks. My question would be is it harmful to the motor to have a rumble tune considering Ford ( in my case) does not tune them that way. And also what is the program you are running on your laptop?? Again a great presentation
I have gdp tunes and I never new that the banana smoothie tune would make it hiss.. what tcm tune you running? After tuning a shift a bid harsh compared to stock
When you changed the vane position did it affect your turbo spool time from a take off? I would imagine you would experience some turbo lag, well more than normal.....
I don’t quite understand your question? I’ll say this, you can do this with any Variable Geometry Turbo = VGT for short. Some companies call them a VNT or variable Nozzle Turbo. The fact is any turbo that has vanes/nozzle you can do this with. That’s every diesel produced by any company currently today. So yes a stock turbo you can do this with.
Does not matter, some say having a rumble tune prolongs soot build up but these turbos move vane position so often and have a built in sweep algorithm meaning it sweeps from 0% all the way to 100% after x amount of time to keep the vane free. So no issues choosing either.
So on HP tuners I can download the software for free but have to license my vehicle in order to read and edit the VCM? Meaning I have to purchase the credits at $50 a piece to edit something like the turbo vanes?
You have to purchase an MPVI 2 and have 8 credits to tune the ECM and TCM. You can tune only the ECM for 4 credits or 200$ plus the cost of the MPVI2. You're looking at this for the ability to tune your truck. www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Tuners-M02-000-08-MPVI2-Tuner-with-8-Universal-Credits/990516139?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=572 After that the MPVI2 can tune thousands of vehicles using only credits.
@@JaegerWrenching how does the difference between the 2 tunes affect the performance and safety of the truck i just ordered all my stuff to delete and a mini max by h&s can this be used to get the hiss and or tune my tranny..if so who do I need to contact for email tunes as I live in Alabama
Do you think you will ever look into making the exhaust brake stronger?? I would really love to see someone improve on the 6.7 powerstroke exhaust brake!
Very very cool. Just found your channel... seems like you have a lot more technical knowledge than most youtubers... thank you! Quick question, the chart you were showing and the changes you made to the tune were for the VGT vane position? 1.0 (or 100%) being "vanes closed" and 0.0 (or 0%) being vanes completely open as if it were a traditional non-variable vane turbo?
Also, can any old moron like me go out and buy this tuning software and destroy their $10,000 diesel engine if they don't know what they're doing? Or does the software have built-in parameters and limits to prevent this?
@@jessequentin4441 Yes 1.0 is 100 and 0.0 is like a fixed vane or non variable vane turbo. There are not any safety limits in HP tuners or any other software, as a matter of fact you can brick your ECU just by re-flashing it, requiring a Ford scan tool or knowledge in ECU bench flashing to make it usable again.
How’s the truck been running since the weight loss? Questions for you though, with my 2019, I plan on losing the weight, but I’m going to leave the EGR in place. What’s your thoughts on doing this this way?
Hey bro what about a video telling us what to do after changing tunes to a more Hp tune not allot guys know you have to take it easy when you switch tunes to race or ect unless they relearn the transmission from 0-20 mph then stop 0-40 mph then stop then 0-60 mph supposedly that's how you relearn it according to some tuners
The Duramax cycles the Vanes at startup so you will get the hiss and then the rumble. I've done Rumble Tunes for the Duramax and they will always hiss on startup.
Which one would be the most efficient? I'm assuming the hiss tune, although I'd hate to have to listen to it for extended idle periods. Great video btw
Seaside Metal Design, At idle it doesn’t matter. Our fuel amount being ingested by the engine at idle doesn’t change when altering vane position, this means it won’t effect efficiency when idling. There is still enough exhaust flow even with the vanes closed all the way. Also there is a give and take with power and efficiency. The more fuel the more power and the more energy consumed. But consuming more fuel and being able to convert that fuel into power at low RPM can payoff in the long run.
@@michaelpottkotter6045 I bet you wouldn't;'t be able to tell a difference between hiss and rumble when it comes to wear. a hiss holds more heat in the exhaust manifolds and turbine which can help with turbo response.
About to get mine deleted and tuned. Does the hiss tune allow a quicker turbo spool over the rumble, or are the changes at that low rpm range simply a user preference on sound?
Simply sound, this unit can go from 0% to 90% in roughly .5 of a second. The only time you'd maybe notice a delay would be stabbing the gas pedal off idle.
This was a genuinely good video, man. 👍
Best video on YT about the turbo and what’s goin on. Thanks bro
Would love to see more 6.7 tuning stuff like rail pressure, timing, pilot, etc…
Can the owner of a tune built by motor ops be edited like this or are we totally locked out?
This video should be way more popular.
I can now explain to my neighbors why my truck sounds the way it does now haha Thanks.
Can I hire you?
This is so cool, love learning about this stuff. Nice truck. I've always wanted a 6.7.
On the cummins itll do this if it's cold and you turn the jake
I did the read file on VCM Editor and i've got the file opened in VCM Editor. Where is the "Boost Pressure Control 0" located. I assume I click on "Engine" tab then it pulls up "GENERAL", "IDLE", "AIRFLOW", "FUEL", DIESEL FUELING", "DIESEL TIMING", and "TORQUE MANAGEMENT"? Thank you
Torque management, I suggest you look around and familiarize yourself with all the tabs until you know it like the back of your hand.
@@JaegerWrenching Didn't think bout it but I forgot to mention I have a 22 L5P and the file seems a bit different.
Under Torque Management, there are "Vane Position - Low Alt", "Vane Position - Med Alt" and "Vane Position - High Alt." Under each of the "Vane Position" tabs there are sub tabs e.g. "Ref Map C1", "Ref Map C2", "Ref Map D1" etc. Which one of those tabs should I adjust? I want to say it's "Ref Map C1" under "Vane Position - Low Alt" but I cant be certain.
Thank you
What do you know about tuning the 3.0 powerstroke?
I switched yesterday to the GDP Banana Smoothie tune and had the hiss.. It never occurred to me that "rumble" referenced the exhaust sound. Thanks for the info!
The “banana smoothie” makes me laugh. You have to be cocky to think you’re going to kill the 6r140 on tune alone. You can make 600 or very close to it on tune alone in the 16+ little less in 11-14 and that’s not gonna hurt the 6r140
You can’t beat the look of those stock wheels on your truck 👍🏻
yes you can
So in a sense, you can have both?
You can have both but not simultaneously.
Man! 3min 30sec in I had to pause and post this comment and tell you that you explain very well and seemingly well versed. Thank you for making this video. Back to it now👍
I do the same exact thing with EFI live in my 6.7 Cummins
Great explanation.
So is there any more or less fuel used at idle from one setting to another?
If closed helps with the off-idle starting torque, does having the rumble tune affect the performance while driving, starting off, etc or does the actuation of the vanes happen fast during tip-in of the throttle?
So all and all. What’s better for the truck in general. I have the ez link and they just released a rumble & a hiss tune. Want whatever will be better for the truck in the end but still sound good
It doesn't matter which one you choose, the vanes move so often that the little time it spends at idle doesn't change anything for longer or less turbo/engine life. I will say a hiss tune will yield slightly hotter idle EGTs. About 270F with a rumble tune and 340F with a hiss tune. That temp is negligible, about a 5% swing in the total allowable EGT scale. Don't over think it.
Good vid, what temp do you shut yours down on?
For the 15s have vgt?
6.0's had that amazing sweet awsome jet sound on a stock tune in the early 2000's. Not a new truck thing.
He said that literally in the video
i have a 2013 and it’ll spool up at idle then let out a WHOOSH when it spools back down. idk why but it’s sounds cool
That's because your's is waste gated along with variable vane. When the waste gate opens it lets out the whooshing sound! Only model years 11-14 are like that. The 2015-2020 are VGT only.
JaegerWrenching honestly is there any point for the waste gate on a VGT turbo, it sounds cool as fuck but i’m thinking of changing it out for a 15+ style turbo.
The spool up at idle is actually nothing to do with the waste gate. It is cycling the vanes
FlyinRaptorJesus really??? i figured it was that cuz the wastegate under load makes a different sound than the spook up and spoil down at idle, do you know why the turbo dose that? or is it a matter of the tuner it’s running
@@zeus6.717 The noise you're hearing is from a vane sweep and the waste gate opening during the vane sweep at idle. So technically it's from both the waste gate and the vanes making noise simultaneously.
So I’m about to delete my 2018 6.7 Cummins and put a 4” flo pro with a muffler, will I still be able to hear the hiss tune with the muffler?
I'm late to the party, but great video!
Is there a point that too much hiss will create too much back pressure, or should the actuator min position calibration prevent that?
Which maps (if any) will achieve the same in a SID209 2016 3.2 Ranger?
Presently having multiple turbo failure dramas and my gut feel its something back pressure related. Have just today installed a manifold pressure test point. Not sure what sort of pressure would be considered excessive for this engine though.
Anyway, cheers from south australia
It's not every going to be "too closed" at idle, your main worry is the ratio of boost to back pressure, as that determines the turbos efficiency and shaft speed and thrust load..
@JaegerWrenching thanks for the reply.
I had the new turbo fitted with a shaft speed sensor.
I fitted a pressure test point in the exhaust manifold. Also fitted pressure/temp test point in IC hot-side pipe.
Wanted to have as much data available before i go back to the tuners.
What pressure ratio would you consider to be maximum? (this is a modified PX1 turbocharger).
I keep going back to your videos for info and opinions while I'm learning to tune my Super Duty. Lol. Thanks!
Okay but I only fine the hiss to be in the 15+ trucks I find that 11-14 always have a rumble
Rumble is very nice sounding
On a 6.0 Powerstroke the jet engine sound or hissing come from a closed or opened vane within your tune?
Technically the sound is generated at the turbine wheel, IE: 10 blade turbine makes more jet engine/high pitch whistle and 13 blade 05-07 less whistle. But the vanes play a big role in the hiss portion and the turbine blade count makes the whistle.
This is a great description especially for people who are not computer geeks. My question would be is it harmful to the motor to have a rumble tune considering Ford ( in my case) does not tune them that way. And also what is the program you are running on your laptop?? Again a great presentation
Nice video
How can I do that to my 2016 f250 already deleted
Would love to talk to you about your suggested way for me to learn tuning! Building a 13 6.7 powerstroke and have purchased HPT.
I like the rumble but my 6.7 is a Hisser lol
Well ask your tuner for a rumble file!
I have gdp tunes and I never new that the banana smoothie tune would make it hiss.. what tcm tune you running? After tuning a shift a bid harsh compared to stock
I need a tune like this for my l5p
Last one sounded like a stock straight pipe 6.7 Cummins lol
Can you damage your turbo with a hiss tune. Plz
When you changed the vane position did it affect your turbo spool time from a take off? I would imagine you would experience some turbo lag, well more than normal.....
Can you use the VGT tune on stock turbo
I don’t quite understand your question? I’ll say this, you can do this with any Variable Geometry Turbo = VGT for short. Some companies call them a VNT or variable Nozzle Turbo. The fact is any turbo that has vanes/nozzle you can do this with. That’s every diesel produced by any company currently today. So yes a stock turbo you can do this with.
Awesome video. Any difference in premature wear and tear on the truck to consider when deciding which sound to pick?
Does not matter, some say having a rumble tune prolongs soot build up but these turbos move vane position so often and have a built in sweep algorithm meaning it sweeps from 0% all the way to 100% after x amount of time to keep the vane free. So no issues choosing either.
Wonder how can do its same exhaust i belive??
Rumble, the hiss gets annoying
Cool video no doubt
Hey man I wanna change my tunes from rumble to hiss, currently tuned and deleted with SCT BDX device. Can you help?
So on HP tuners I can download the software for free but have to license my vehicle in order to read and edit the VCM? Meaning I have to purchase the credits at $50 a piece to edit something like the turbo vanes?
You have to purchase an MPVI 2 and have 8 credits to tune the ECM and TCM. You can tune only the ECM for 4 credits or 200$ plus the cost of the MPVI2. You're looking at this for the ability to tune your truck. www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Tuners-M02-000-08-MPVI2-Tuner-with-8-Universal-Credits/990516139?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=572 After that the MPVI2 can tune thousands of vehicles using only credits.
What tuneing set up / programmers are u useing to live tune ur truck?
Nothing sounds like a cummins sorry😊
you are awsome
I like it
New sub
So with the hiss tune, the vanes are closed more and with the rumble they’re opened more?
Yes that’s correct
@@JaegerWrenching how does the difference between the 2 tunes affect the performance and safety of the truck i just ordered all my stuff to delete and a mini max by h&s can this be used to get the hiss and or tune my tranny..if so who do I need to contact for email tunes as I live in Alabama
Do you think you will ever look into making the exhaust brake stronger?? I would really love to see someone improve on the 6.7 powerstroke exhaust brake!
Yes you can in the tune, mine is way better just from my tune changes.
@@JaegerWrenching thanks for the reply. Could you make a video showing how strong your exhaust brake is now?
BackwoodsBrotherhood it can get where it’s to much it has a -45 psi value from factory you just command - less psi
6.7 dont have a exhaust brake, we have a engine brake.
@allsaltzbaseball any way you have a good idea what percentage to set for the loudest hiss lol
awesome! thanks a lot! what exhaust setup is that on the truck?
It's a 4" pipe with a muffler. It's a flo pro brand, I drive across the country and its nice and drone free!
Very very cool. Just found your channel... seems like you have a lot more technical knowledge than most youtubers... thank you!
Quick question, the chart you were showing and the changes you made to the tune were for the VGT vane position? 1.0 (or 100%) being "vanes closed" and 0.0 (or 0%) being vanes completely open as if it were a traditional non-variable vane turbo?
Also, can any old moron like me go out and buy this tuning software and destroy their $10,000 diesel engine if they don't know what they're doing? Or does the software have built-in parameters and limits to prevent this?
@@jessequentin4441 Yes 1.0 is 100 and 0.0 is like a fixed vane or non variable vane turbo. There are not any safety limits in HP tuners or any other software, as a matter of fact you can brick your ECU just by re-flashing it, requiring a Ford scan tool or knowledge in ECU bench flashing to make it usable again.
What tuner? Ez-lynk? Does provendiesel write your tunes? Saw HP tuners on your iPad! Thx.
How’s the truck been running since the weight loss?
Questions for you though, with my 2019, I plan on losing the weight, but I’m going to leave the EGR in place. What’s your thoughts on doing this this way?
The egr is going to gum up eventually. You’re best to delete it all
Rumble is better for the turbo itself, the vanes move more and it won’t stick as easy
Just curious what program you are using here?
Do the 2 different tunes drive the same?
yes
I like the rumble
Rumble tune for sure
So when the turbine is close it makes the hiss and lower torque?
Lmao! "Race trucks" for the straight pipe trucks that drive on the road
Thanks for sharing this information. My truck does this and I wondered why it hisses and rumbles. I love the hiss sound!! Thanks again!! F- TUFF 50!!
Hey bro what about a video telling us what to do after changing tunes to a more Hp tune not allot guys know you have to take it easy when you switch tunes to race or ect unless they relearn the transmission from 0-20 mph then stop 0-40 mph then stop then 0-60 mph supposedly that's how you relearn it according to some tuners
Id be interested in hearing about this, i feel like everyone swaps maps and just sends it
Any updates on this?
0:06 that’s the democrats escaping to yell at someone
What are you using to data log in live view?
What software do you use?
Is one better than the other for the turbo???
What software / cable are you using to program truck to adjust your tables? Im interested in adjusting my tunes. Thanks for your video!
Ah I paused the frame, and see HP Tuners. Let me know if I am mistaken. Thanks for sharing.
70455gto Yes it’s HPTuners
My Duramax hiss's and rumbles at startup what's up with that????
The Duramax cycles the Vanes at startup so you will get the hiss and then the rumble. I've done Rumble Tunes for the Duramax and they will always hiss on startup.
What program are you using on that laptop
HPTuners
yes I want to buy my own tuner can u help?
Do you have a lope tune for the 17 to 19 powerstroke
Lope tunes are for 16 yr olds..
Could you write tunes for me? And upload to ezlynk?
sean mitchell I’ll have tunes for EZ LYNK in a month or so!
@@JaegerWrenching i got ez lynk 2.0 can i buy tunes from you
JaegerWrenching do you have rumble tunes for 2017 f350?
So for this hiss u are just adding 0.80 into the fields ?
@@23kota23 Yes exactly, stock is the 60-85% split you see at the start of the video.
Both
How do u get it to make both the sounds though
By Switch maps after x amount of time idling
How do you program it to switch maps like that? I’d like to be able to hear both on mine haha
Can you show us hot to do this
How can I contact you . How much to write tunes . I’m running a sct bdx on a 2018 6.7 powerstroke
yes I want to buy my own tuner can u help?
Is there a way to get in contact with you about tunes?
Rumble all the way, if I want hear the “Hiss” tune I’ll turn on my girls hairdryer
is the hiss strategy what they do stock?
Yes but the sound is muffled by the stock exhaust.
That's pretty cool what a difference between the two tunes. Any upcoming videos planned on the Cobra or the Fox?
Yes i do, i have an update video coming in two days going over everything.
JaegerWrenching awesome!!!
Which one would be the most efficient? I'm assuming the hiss tune, although I'd hate to have to listen to it for extended idle periods.
Great video btw
Seaside Metal Design, At idle it doesn’t matter. Our fuel amount being ingested by the engine at idle doesn’t change when altering vane position, this means it won’t effect efficiency when idling. There is still enough exhaust flow even with the vanes closed all the way. Also there is a give and take with power and efficiency. The more fuel the more power and the more energy consumed. But consuming more fuel and being able to convert that fuel into power at low RPM can payoff in the long run.
@@JaegerWrenching which tune, hiss or rumble has less of a chance to cause premature wear on your turbo? Thanks for your help!
@@michaelpottkotter6045 I bet you wouldn't;'t be able to tell a difference between hiss and rumble when it comes to wear. a hiss holds more heat in the exhaust manifolds and turbine which can help with turbo response.
About to get mine deleted and tuned. Does the hiss tune allow a quicker turbo spool over the rumble, or are the changes at that low rpm range simply a user preference on sound?
Simply sound, this unit can go from 0% to 90% in roughly .5 of a second. The only time you'd maybe notice a delay would be stabbing the gas pedal off idle.
What company is the tune
The “hiss” tune is just overworking your turbo. More stress on it constantly
Not at all
Wtf are you talking about lol..
@Jake Heke lol