Was eating spinach damn near every day and almonds every other day. Started developing back pain around the kidney. Stopped eating both and started drinking more lemon water and the pain has gotten tremendously better.
That's what I'm saying. As soon as I stopped eating my veggies all together, I started to see considerable improvements, accompanied with diatomaceous earth food-grade and high quality CBD oil.
Me too , I had such bad kidney pain after eating all that almond flower recipes and spinach. Got off all high oxalate foods and feel so much better. Not everyone is the same.
I was eating a pound of spinach a week, raw. Plus a couple handful of walnut halves a day, plus almond butter on my celery. Also doing keto and intermittent fasting, plus 6 minutes of intense exercise a day. I'm 67. I had a very slight dizziness some of the time. I quit all high oxalate food, and right away the dizziness ended. I will be very careful to minimize(or avoiding) high oxalate foods. That is my experience.
Pound of spinach and multiple handfuls of walnut is definitely way too much but good thing you caught it sooner than later. If you still want to consume foods like walnuts and spinach there are several ways to reduce the oxalates. You can boil spinach or soak walnuts in water. That will reduce oxalates by a lot. Hope I helped and good luck!
@@Fujiwararoman4214There’s actually a lot of reasons why you’d wanna eat nuts on a daily basis, among others the fact that they’re high in minerals, fiber and glycine
@@Kartik-tx1bc lets use moderation. I think that avoiding processed and junk food plus moderate exercise plus avoid high carb and sugar and maintain a low stress life. I use grass fed meat plus wild caught fish. Avoiding sugar is very important.
I was trying to be vegetarian doing keto. I couldn't have dairy cause of breast feeding issues also. So my diet was alot of greens, eggs, almonds. Used to cook with almonds flour alot! >well my back was always hurting in my kidney area after I gave birth and didnt know why until I had a 104.5 fever and almost ended up in ICU due to oxalate poisoning and a kidney stone that was stuck. No the kidney doctor didnt mention once about dietary needs on changing... I found it myself... and now I've been on low oxalate diet for 3 weeks. No more kidney pain, inflammation is down, broke my stall in weight and my breast milk has boosted!
The problem with asking us to consume pickled stuff is a lot of people with oxalate issues have histamine issues as a result of the oxalates, so what to do then?
Hey Thomas! Could you make an updated video on oxalate poisoning, I’ve been seeing a lot more of people talking about this and would like to see what research you can find on this. Would really appreciate it!
was thinking the same thing, honestly I see people around me going on carnivore with fruit now and they are eating like 500+ grams of fruit every day. Like 3 apples a mango and so on and I'm like.. siigh.. so you stop eating vegetables because of oxalates even though fruit has oxalates too lulz and they just switch to eating a ton of fruit. Guess what happens when the liver says oh wait I'm done accepting fructose after an apple and you eat more apples, it becomes fat lol. And I don't even wanna know what kind of blood glucose these people have or how hungry they must be all the time and how they can't use energy properly anymore. What a shitshow.
Have had chronic bladder pain (IC) for a year and a half. There is no cure. Have tried many remedies with little effect. Started learning about oxalates recently, here on youtube. Just cutting back on some of these foods is helping tremendously. I finally have some hope.
I had this but I used calcium citrate to soothe the bladder problem or you can keep eating hogh oxalate greens but add some form of calcium food like cottage cheese
@@Channeled_from_Zenith yeah you are right 👍 I just listen another lecture and she Said that only six picies of baby spinach is enough , so it's very high in oxalates.
@@annamaria1972 my husband has this issue. We went to a restaurant and he ordered a soup and he didn’t ask if there was spinach in it. He took a couple bites and was in a flare up for 4-6 weeks! He had terrible gut pain -so much so that he wanted to go to the hospital and then he broke out in a rash/hives that lasted around 5 weeks. All his joint pain flared up as well. When he was young, his grandma used to make rhubarb pies. Rhubarb is up there with spinach. He had lots of urinary issues when he was young and joint pain from a very young age. So crazy
@@Channeled_from_Zenith It means he must be very strict with His diet . I have mostly gut problems but also some rashes on my hands, armpits. And some joint issues . I want to get rid of oxalates from my body but it take time .
@@Quaggabagel Unfortunately the research doesn’t show that. Two studies done in 1939 with rats having 8% of their diet as spinach compared to other groups without the spinach demonstrated the rats that ate spinach had retarded growth, uncalcified Dentine in their teeth, weak and thinning bones, infertility and death.
I have worked with Sally! She is brilliant! Honestly it is not true "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger! " People have actually died from eating too many oxalates.
The nature of oxalates is complicated and often not fully accurately represented. The body can make Oxalate endogenously as a result of excess sugar as a biproduct of glycolysis, the glycolytic enzymes and subsequent enzymes that interact with glucose, pyruvate and acetate can effectively create Oxalate from Vitamin C as it is molecularly similar to glucose. the metabolites of Oxalates like methylglyoxal are typically broken down by enzymes produced as a biproduct of glycolysis like glyoxalase and can be broken down by glutathione and harmlessly excreted, or they can ultimately contribute to AGEs or Advanced Glycation End products that have been implicated in contributing to several metabolic diseases. Most dietary oxalates will bind to calcium in the gut, if you've eaten enough calcium to bind to all of the oxalates, and will not absorb through the intestine. However, people have been hospitalized and even have died from oxalate toxicity after eating things like Rhubarb, Sorrel soup etc. When oxalate crystals deposit in the tissues of the body it's called oxalosis, and it can cause more oxidative stress and damage, and of course calcium oxalate deposits in the kidneys are also known as kidney stones. The reasons why some people tolerate oxalates better and some are hypersensitive are not fully understood. It's likely multifactorial: The diet is deficient in calcium to prevent oxalate absorption in the gut, their diet is high in carbohydrates and they're producing more endogenous oxalate than normal, they have altered genetic expression and lack sufficient enzyme production to break down the oxalates, they're deficient in magnesium and vitamin D so they have excess free-floating calcium in the blood for the oxalates to bind to, they're deficient in glutathione because of certain medications and things that deplete the body of antioxidants like high fructose diets, smoking, drinking etc. It has been suggested that the benefits of Manuka Honey are due in large part to the naturally high occurring methylglyoxal content of honey from the manuka flower. the proposed mechanism of action is that this potentially toxic oxalate metabolite is tolerated by healthy cells and not by unhealthy cells, or by pathogens like certain bacteria that take up the methylglyoxal and lack the enzymes to neutralize it and can kill those defective cells or pathogens. A similar mechanism is proposed behind the claims that ESSIAC tea can fight cancer. All of it's ingredients are very high in oxalate content. So when you see people arguing about are Oxalates good or bad for you, the answer is not as simple as yes or no, but potentially both depending on certain dietary, lifestyle, and genetic factors as well as your overall metabolic health.
I did the Gaps diet and consumed daily a diet rich in kale, spinach, mustard leaf and so on. But in slow, very long cooked broths super high in collagen. . Never had an issue.
beware of the logic "I've never had a problem," or "I've never had an issue." because many of these things are chronic conditions which take years and decades to manifest. Nothing is ever a problem... until it is. people think "I've never had a heart attack therefore I don't have cardiovascular disease..." but cardiovascular disease doesn't start with a heart attack, it ends with one, and by the time you've had one it's taken years or decades to finally culminate in a potentially lethal event. type 2 diabetes also doesn't start with the failure of the beta cells in the pancreas and being dependent on exogenous insulin, that's end stage diabetes. It takes years of damage that we ignore the symptoms and telltale warning signs and shrug them off as no big deal, or mistake them for being different problems of their own. kidney stones can form over years and decades before they're problematic and people think it's something that JUST happened, "I've never had a kidney stone before," well just because you never had one break loose and damage the kidney, obstruct and damage the urinary tract, the bladder, urethra, etc. doesn't mean you're not forming stones... so be careful with that very vague and generalized logic based on the casual observation that since you don't yet have end stage diseases and conditions therefore you don't have a problem. it's also a failure of logic to think the body's mechanisms to maintain homeostasis will just take care of it. if that was the case we would be able to drink unlimited amounts of alcohol, eat unlimited amounts of carbohydrates and not get diabetes, fatty liver cirrhosis... but you all know that's not the case. the liver does produce gluconeogenesis enzymes to convert certain amino acids into glucose, but this is a survival mechanism, not a homeostasis mechanism, and it's metabolically expensive. for that reason, the body only does this when there is a demand for energy. glucagon is the hormone that signals for gluconeogenesis, however it also signals for the production of lipolytic enzymes that break down the body's stored fat and then the liver converts those into ketones for energy, which is much more energy efficient than Gluconeogenesis, and the presence of the activated fatty acids in the liver turns off the production of Gluconeogenesis enzymes. this is why you see people who do extended fasting, in the beginning there is a period of gluconeogenesis and a small amount of muscle wasting, but once ketosis starts, it actually preserves the muscles or is muscle sparing. people think of the body too simplistically, like it's a computer where if I push this button and it does that. Rather, the entire body and all of its systems are driven by hormones and enzymes that are more like a game of mousetrap or one of those elaborate setups of dominos that starts with tipping over one domino and results in a complex chain reaction in order to achieve an end result... think of nutrient deficiency like missing some dominos in there, toxicity like having a bunch of random dominos where they don't belong, obesity like have a ton of excess dominos that you don't know what to do with, and genetic mutations like parts of the domino setup have been moved around and don't fall in the sequence... this is also a simplistic analogy, because think of this one elaborate domino setup, then realize your body has many, many of these happening simultaneously that are all interconnected at crucial junctions... but it's a step in the right direction for people to get them appreciating the complexity of the body and it's processes and systems, and why proper health and nutrition require a holistic approach, and certainly much more consideration than people give it based on their observation.
If I can split hairs and be "that guy" for a moment. Pickled and fermented are 2 different things. Cucumbers are pickled and have no probiotics. olives and sauerkraut are both fermented.
@@daijanestokazem Yes. Your comment might have been more helpful if you'd included the following information. If they are refrigerated, they are fermented. If they are on the shelf next to the mustard, they are pickled and don't have the probiotics. Vinegar = pickled --Vinegar-- = fermented
I have been giving blood regularly since starting keto to help clear iron. Research has been showing benefits in donating blood 2-4 times a year due to the oxidized iron clearance.
The problem is not simply the chelation of minerals. The problem is chronic accumulation of oxalate in the extracellular space and intracellular compartment. This takes place over long periods of time and is not immediately perceived. Hence, oxalate accumulation is an insidious process which eventually can culminate in a variety of chronic health conditions which often involve pain. Mineral chelation is primarily an issue once someone has adopted a low oxalate diet and is dumping heavily into the blood. Also, there is no evidence of beneficial roles of oxalate in biochemistry. It is a waste product which is generated endogenously in small amounts, but in higher amounts under conditions of oxidative stress and nutritional deficiency. It is misleading to suggest that endogenous oxalate production might play beneficial roles, as this is not consistent with any existing literature
This is why plant based foods are not first choice foods, they are loaded with anti-nutrients like Oxalates. Plant based foods are also a source of phytates, these also chelate minerals and reduce their absorption. All sorts of traditional food processing methods were developed to reduce anti-nutrient levels in plant foods, like fermenting, sprouting, soaking etc. Unfortunately these methods have been forgotten, and people eat these foods in an unprocessed form, this is detrimental to nutrient status. Animal products are so beneficial to health because they do not contain these anti-nutrients, and they are nutrient dense, this is why they are first choice foods!
nutritional logic, some experts are now saying that we should all stay away from veggies that contain "lectins". Because they cause bloating, digestion problems, and other health ailments. there are a lot of vegetables that contain this lectins compound. I also wonder if steaming or cooking lightly spinach and other high oxylates containing greens and veggies actually lessens the amount of lectins released when we eat them. Jean.
@@AMDG_-nk2dp Yes, according to research cooking should lower levels of oxalates, however boiling vegetables appears to be the most effective method. Steaming should lower the levels somewhat. Soaking, and boiling lowers levels of the anti-nutrient lectins and enzymes inhibitors, in things like beans for example.
Its all about having a well balanced diet, I sure wont be stopping my consumption of spinach anytime soon and I think some people worry a little too much about a problem that they don't have, you could analyse most healthy foods and there is nearly always some negative aspect to it, some people eat lots of salmon But OMG! WHAT ABOUT THE MERCURY!!!! So people eat wild caught salmon but that still has Mercury in it? My point being you could go on and on and eventually drive yourself nuts! Will any of our lifestyle choices ever be perfect?? I doubt that, a little lemon and ACV its all good...
A year and a half on strict Keto (eating my dark greens and moderate protein) for one autoimmune disease, off meds for that in 3 months. On methotrexate for my RA still. Manage to taper off a wee bit, but extreme pain in my hands when I tried to go below 12.5mg. After several months of attempts to taper off I began carnivore. After 1 month of carnivore I tried tapering again and was off methotrexate in 2 weeks, no problems. Another week and I had a small kale salad 2 days in a row just to see what happens, 2nd day extreme pain in my hands. Back on carnivore. After another week I tried again, maybe it was just a coincidence, pain returns. So I stay carnivore another couple of months, had an extreme rash for several months, then it disappeared. I've since been able to eat a bit of green veggie but I remain very heavy meat Keto and remain pain free and off all medication.
Valuable info thanks. Noted butternut very very healthy. Low oxalates I think. I eat a lot daily. Also love my daily macadamia. Also avos Are these low ox foods ok in your opinion? Everyone just talks about greens...
@@contrarian717 Macadamia nuts are low in oxalates, and butternut squash is one to avoid. Unfortunately there is not one comprehensive list that I've found, sallyknorton.com/?s=oxalate+list
@@JosePerez-yk2px , Meat, sardines, and a few low carb veggies, broccoli, cauliflower or asparagus. Most veggies and nuts have oxalates so I eat mostly meat.
I'm not sure I learned anything about how to treat this food, as usual here. You often give lots of technical data, but little usable advice. (In my opinion, of course) What is "in moderarion" in a measurable amount?
Would you eat mercury in a moderate amount or a little round-up? High oxalate foods are toxic and they make you very sick... Never eat them! I know because I ate a ton of them when I was juicing and eating almonds and peanut butter. "Anything in moderation"does not apply to oxalates.
It's an interesting thing... Your Liver produces Oxalates in the same manner that it creates Carbs for your body. You don't need to take in exogenous sources in order to have your body regulate balances/ratios of certain components. The body has so many mechanisms for maintaining homeostasis. I don't think the logic of "your Liver produces it, therefore it's good for you" is correct. Your Liver does it for a purpose. If you just start taking in exogenous sources of oxalates, it would be the same thing as eating a bunch of Rice for a source of Carbs, instead of relying on your Liver to produce it. You don't need to have a certain amount of veggies every single day, like what is most commonly recommended.
@@stevepimentel237 Pointing to an extreme isn't a proper argument for anything. There are people who's skin falls off when it comes into contact with water... Are you going to tell people to avoid showers? Obviously if you can't produce oxalates on your own, you need exogenous sources. But I tried to look up that condition, and nothing came up.
I'm unsubscribing already. Video after video there's this food that I should avoid. That on the previous video i should eat generously. Instead of me getting excited to eat it's just making me paranoid. I don't need to be thinking "binding, enzyme, oxidize, acid"
We get too much iron from the diet. Even more from pans is bad... leading to rust in the body. I need to upgrade my pans from cast iron and am not sure of the best option. Stainless steel is probably safest but def not non-stick. 🧐
Hey Thomas, could you talk about the health advantages to sprouting grains, nuts & seeds vs any health risk of eating unsprouted? Also, does coffee have antinutrients?
@@TheJimmyswe150 hahahahahaha, you are right just keep eating and live a little. Little you will live. And probably not functional towards the end (absolutely no joy for the ones I have seen) before the little ends years and years before the human potential is capable of. Your advise will be well taken by 87% of the people. Consider your advise a winning one. By the way why are you here ? Duh me ! To give good counseling of course.
@@tubetime39 LOL dude calm down, iv been on the health wagon for 3 years straight while I almost quit eat anything because everything was bad for me and become very sick, it's about balance, just eat healthy no sugar it's that simple, I'm not counting fruits as those are healthy I don't care what you keto people say
@@TheJimmyswe150 Yeah bro life isnt fucking enjoyable when you find yourself in the ER all the time from kidney stones. That's the dumbest advice I've ever heard
Not all leafy greens are high in oxalates. Just certain ones like spinach and chard. Also, many women are not getting enough iron, so that is not really the problem of iron chelation--it's about the absorption of iron which is more readily absorbed from animal foods. And from what I have read, chelation aside, it's the physical structure of the oxalate that causes damage--that they are essentially non-soluble sharp, dagger-shaped crystals that damage cell tissue and the gut lining.
This. As a female who still has regular periods, I’ve been iron deficient for years and no supplements have helped. I am pretty positive that the mass amounts of spinach, sweet potatoes, almonds, almond butter, peanut butter, and white flour I ate as a vegetarian definitely inhibited the absorption of iron into my system!
Yes, he did. Since he ate a whole can of spinach (which has over 2500mg of oxalates), he surely developed a lot of kidney stones over a certain amount of time.
Over consumption of Nuts on Keto is a very real issue. . . And you can only consume a small serving of fermented foods without developing other issues... .
Oxalate degrading bacteria in our gut can die from antibiotics and is hard to get back in it seems. For example oxalobacter formigenes. Susan Owens stated in a recent interview that some bacteria in the gut need some kind of "buddy" to survive better so you would also have to get those "buddies" into your system again...
I had oxalates before going vegan , now I eat plant based , just a few weeks so far I am wondering what my next urine check will look like. My doc gave me potassium citrate pills to lower the oxalates. He said cut down on the leafy greens , I said what ? What’s left to eat ? Can’t eat the junk , can’t eat the greens , he said keep eating the greens take an extra pill. Whatever ! I am starting plant based diet but I starting to think it may be best to take whatever pills the doc can give you and hope for hitting 75, my grandparents all lived into their 80’amd 90’s and ate Mediterranean diets and never went to the gym!
Agee! Unpopular fact : there's no safe known level of alcohol consumption. There are in fact major public health campaigns worldwide to reduce alcohol-harm, largely neutralized by the industry.
The lemon water thing is true, at least for me it was. I drank 2 glasses a day when I had a kidney stone and within 3 days of starting that the stone passed easily. Doesn't sound like Thomas has had a kidney stone, but maybe I'm wrong.
I had 2 kidney stone attacks about 12 years ago 2 weeks apart, I was aware of oxalates but ate many of them anyway. The main thing that helped me was water. I can't find a comprehensive list, I still can't find any one to agree if kale is high or low. Nice video. Thanks
YES! I saw a list with kale as high oxalate- another said it was low!? I’ve eliminated spinach and now eat Romain lettuce, arugula, cabbage, broccoli and kale. Kale works pretty good as a spinach substitute if you cut it small and let it rest, but is it ok for us stone makers? Who has the best, most accurate list of what you CAN eat. 😢
@@DianaHylandTX Oh, sorry! I thought you talked about what you can eat in general. When it comes to Kale, watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/KtgyJ--X61g/v-deo.html I don't remember the part exactly but it will give you an idea.
I just found your video (releases 9 months ago) on 7 worst veggies, that explains you don’t actually get the amount of iron from spinach as previously thought; and it does more harm than good.
Thank you so much !! I’m glad I discovered this channel. I had an issue with kidney stones 3 years ago and it was not a happy thing at all. The pain was unbearable.
I was keto for 9 months and had a lot of improvement in my health, but nothing completely resolved. I went carnivore and I'm having tremendous success.
This is very interesting, because raw foodists don't get kidney issues/or stones. They typically eat a sh*t ton of green leafy veggies, especially spinach for new raw foodists, because it's very mild and non-threatening.
I agree with what you are saying about people who eat raw veggies. I would like to know who these studies are done on and the people who have issues have other issues that contribute to them.
@@Bebe-or9nwnot true.look at shane sterling 50 markus rothkranz 62.eli mattyr gillian berry msfitvegan. All look amazing compared to congested carnivores.its the meateaters that get kidney stones not raw vegans. Many people say lemon water gets rid of kidney stones.yet lemons have low level oxalate.many fruit and veg have zero
Hhahaha he said you dont see massive campaigns saying alcohol is bad. There are tons of sources stating alcohol is toxic! Poor correlation, I agree, fermented foods are probably better. Cultures all over the world have fermented foods for thousands of years because they found that plants are very hard to digest and have many many anti-nutrients. Plant foods are not needed in the human diet. I like Thomas, but I am pretty sure he will find anything to justify the diet he does instead of admitting plant foods are inferior and carnivorous foods are superior...he started as keto and dammit, he will prevail as keto!!!
I quit eating my VERY green smoothies about 10 days ago, and the pain I have suffered in my joints for two years went away like a miracle. My smoothies were Collards, spinach, kale, raspberries....I will never eat Spinach or Collard greens again!
Oxalates will be broken down if given time! But a constant stream of oxalates will result in them bein stored around in the body and create problems given enough time!
Any seed is not meant for human consumption its even worse than veggies for u only few like macademia or pistachip but of u donit regulary thr lectin will fuck ur intestines up real good
I would love to see you interview Dr. Sally K. Norton about this topic. If you haven't already, check out her book: Toxic Superfoods. All about oxalates, and it is eye opening.
I'm really beginning to get disgusted with all of this. I had a feeling that there had to be a down side to keto. Just when you think you've hit on something that's going to make you healthier, then a damn oxalate rears its ugly head. I just don't know what to believe anymore!
I did Keto for 3 months in 2020 (and could never get out of the "keto flu" stage) and in November of 2020 I got slammed with the worst kidney pain imaginable. On Thanksgiving Day no less!! It's still an ongoing issue 3 months later. I wish I had never heard the word "keto".............
Personally an animal based diet is the way to go. We don't need high amounts of vegetables. We're not herbivores. All you have to do is compare out stomachs and digestive systems with carnivores and herbivores and you will see that we have more in common with carnivores. It's really not complicated.
@@Bebe-or9nw My post was 2 years ago and have researched and learned a lot since then. I started keto and quickly lost 20 lbs. I feel better physically and mentally than I have in years and all of my labs are normal. Thanks.
Yeah I don't get this. Why take in any poison at all if you can avoid it? The body has a way of getting rid of excess iron on it's own without taking in poisons
I’m a 34 year old male, who is vegan, and I just recently learned a bit about oxalates and what they do. This was a very helpful video that allowed me to reaffirm what I already suspected. Which is to moderate things. I thought that the more spinach or anything else I put into my body was only helping. This really helped put me at ease. So thank you for this informational video.
I was torn between keto or low fat plant based diet because I think they're both healthy. I was eating high fat high carb but actually moderation I think is key. I'll start with eating more whole foods instead of a bunch of process junk. MODERATION!!!
Really? Is this guy in your top 3? Then you haven’t been looking very well. There are actual scientists on UA-cam you know who actually do science and who don’t just pick one power that matches the point they’re trying to make but that look at the whole literature
Perhaps an inconvenient fact but there's no safe known level of alcohol consumption. There are in fact major public health campaigns worldwide to reduce alcohol-harm, largely neutralized by the industry.
I have muscle spasms - I ear spinach for magnesium I don't want oxalates to give me problems in the long term, so I can't eat spinach forever so what the hell do i do? Maybe we're not totally adapted to these foods yet
a lot of people are ok to eat spinach everyday and have no problem. maybe just try to avoid oxalate from other foods such as chocolates and almonds etc
I suffered from kidney stones, I had two when I was vegan! and I am absolutely traumatized! Ever since going carnivore the kidney stones stopped forming, now I am thinking to add saurkraut to my carnivore life style, I believe that humans should eat 95% animal foods and 5% fermented foods...I listen a lot to Dr Natasha (she is a paleo-carnivore Dr)
Great video! Especially, your point with the microbiome. The same is true for many other things like polyphenols. Studies show that we only benefit from the intake of certain polyphenols once they have been converted by our microbiome.
Love you, Thomas, but I was eating all those high oxalate foods, especially after going Keto. I have been gluten free for over 16 yrs, Paleo for many years, went completely grain free beginning of the year, as well as Keto. At 65, I am dumping oxalates that I wish I knew about a long time ago. Went Carnivore over 4 months ago, ditched all the veggies, almond flour, almond butter, chia, dark chocolate, etc. -- and have never felt better. Oxalates are NO joke! Thank goodness for Sally Norton, as well as a neurofeedback doc I am working with, or I wouldn't have pieced together what was going on. Within in 2 days of cutting out greens (chard, dandelion greens, kale, beets greens), as well as the chia, cocao and macadamia nuts, ALL of my bloating eas gone. And, I dont have to take as much magnesium. Just proves that oxalates were my cause of never ending mineral consumption. Just can't agree with you on this one, Thomas. I think they cause more problems than people realize, and it's not just kidney stones.
Detox slowly... by reducing oxalate foods by 10% per week. Too fast is painful or even dangerous. Check out Susan Owens work. She is an expert in oxalates and autism. Much love.
Question: would oxalates be affecting menopausal autoimmune intermittent-fasting- regimen woman who at the same time is confined to sitting? 1 green salad and 1 green smoothie daily with plenty of water. And by the way never had 3-month-looking bloating issues before age 50. Curretly take ACV 2X daily and bone broth too. Sounds complicating - I know. Help..suggestions !?
I think one of the points is, unlike all the other plant toxins, oxalate accumulates in the body. Most people have probably been over-consuming oxalate for decades by the time they are watching a video like this. Within two months of lowering oxalates, my sneeze-induced urinary incontinence, intractable since my late 20's, is *gone*. I had a cold recently, sneezed about a million times. No peeing, no concentrating hard, no kegel-ing. It may take people time to dig out from under the years of accumulation.
In india much of its population is vegetarian but they eat a variety of foods at least once in a day called thali( meaning platter) typically consisting of a cooked veg, raw veg, lentil, pickle, fried chips, desert and a home cooked bread.
I also heard candida and mold increase internal oxalate load - (because they contain oxalates, or make them?) I take beta-glucans to try reduce this problem as I have kidney pains when I eat too many oxalates, also drinking lemon juice and potassium citrate, acv, himalayan salt mix daily.
ser keto, look also into "lectins" found in some vegetables. the so-called healthy veggies, mind you. some experts are saying to stay away from these since they cause bloating, digestive problems and other health compromises. Jean.
@@Crepitom Agreed. Carnivore diet doesn't resolve root cause of oxalate absorption, which can be either leathy gut, IBS or lack of enzymes that break down oxalates. Plus, carnivore diet can lead to other kind of health problems.
Zero credibility: "You don't see massive campaigns against alcohol like you do against oxalates". And the best: "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger". Good idea to smoke a little then?
Hopefully I won't live long enuf to be forced to eat fermented chocolate. :-/ I'm having bladder pain so I actually *_have to_* deal with this immediately. I can't just say, "Oh, well. I don't have to care about this right now." I actually *_have to_* make the right food decisions and since I'm on Food Stamps, that means I can't order online or waste money on stuff that won't last the full month.
Unfortunately, dark chocolate and cocoa are high in oxalates. I hope that we will remove oxalates from cocoa via genetic engineering. We should use genetical engineering as a way to remove oxalates from cacao tree (and consequently, cacao powder).
Spinach is a hybrid man made plant not natural so bad for us in that respect. Its iron our body can't absorb. I have irish sea moss and fulvic acid daily. I also have psycillium husk to heal gut packed full of fibre. There is a website I cant put here utube deletes it which tells you your body type of 4 and gives you a massive list of which foods give your type inflammation or not.
The only high oxalate food that I eat is dark chocolate (and cocoa). But I hate spinach like a plague. First of all, it tastes like a metal wrench. It leaves a strong metallic taste in your mouth that won't leave it. The second thing is - it tries to look like a green veggie, but it is unappealing. It is disgusting and... I don't have another words how I can explain disgust of spinach. The alternative is lettuce that contains little to no oxalate + it doesn't leave a metallic taste in your mouth (it has a best taste when you pour an apple vinegar to it). Next food is Swiss Chard, which I also hate. I can't even look at that plant (not to mention eating). Then comes beetroot. Beetroot is tasteless and tastes like a nothing. It doesn't have any taste, any flavour. But I eat apples, bananas, strawberries (some sources say that they contain oxalates, while other say that they don't contain oxalates - I don't know in which source to believe, but I assure that strawberries don't contain oxalates), and other fruits. But one is sure: spinach, Swiss Chard, Beets, dark chocolate (which is only high oxalate food that I eat), and some vegetables contain oxalates. The spinach is the worst offender - it contains more than 1000mg of oxalates per 100g (and to add salt to injury, tastes metallic).
We make them so we don’t need them. I have kidney stones I just passed one. No pain just blood in the toilet. I have had very painful stones 2 of them I was almost a vegetarian.
While I appreciate many Of your other videos, I find this one more detriment and confusing than beneficial. BTW, I say “Everything in moderation EXCEPT use moderation in excess.”
I am so tired of all these nutritional camps. Everyone just wants to feel in control, so they look to the things that they can control as the source of the problem."If it's not food, then it's not in my control". All this back and forth arguing about minute details serves no purpose other than to encourage fear of food and disordered eating. Also unnecessary guilt for feeling responsible for all their health concerns.
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Was eating spinach damn near every day and almonds every other day. Started developing back pain around the kidney. Stopped eating both and started drinking more lemon water and the pain has gotten tremendously better.
That's what I'm saying. As soon as I stopped eating my veggies all together, I started to see considerable improvements, accompanied with diatomaceous earth food-grade and high quality CBD oil.
Same here.
Me too , I had such bad kidney pain after eating all that almond flower recipes and spinach. Got off all high oxalate foods and feel so much better. Not everyone is the same.
Same! Except I ended up almost in the ICUA From oxalate poisoning. So much better now that the stone was removed and on low oxalate diet
That is real science! oxalates are crystals that are sharp the injure cells, connective tissue and glands and nerves.
I genuinely don't even know what to eat anymore
Fr Im trying to create a diet and everything I think is good is just bad or not good for a everyday diet
Eat healthy, just eat in portions/moderations.
Carnivore
I agree. It's so frustrating.
@@GottaGloUp1Day There are many veggies that is low in oxalates such as romaine, cabbage, cauliflower, bok choy, squash, pumkins, radish etc
I was eating a pound of spinach a week, raw. Plus a couple handful of walnut halves a day, plus almond butter on my celery. Also doing keto and intermittent fasting, plus 6 minutes of intense exercise a day. I'm 67. I had a very slight dizziness some of the time. I quit all high oxalate food, and right away the dizziness ended. I will be very careful to minimize(or avoiding) high oxalate foods. That is my experience.
Pound of spinach and multiple handfuls of walnut is definitely way too much but good thing you caught it sooner than later.
If you still want to consume foods like walnuts and spinach there are several ways to reduce the oxalates. You can boil spinach or soak walnuts in water. That will reduce oxalates by a lot. Hope I helped and good luck!
Thank you !!! Thanks for the great advice.
@@Fujiwararoman4214There’s actually a lot of reasons why you’d wanna eat nuts on a daily basis, among others the fact that they’re high in minerals, fiber and glycine
pound of spinach a week is too much? Here I was planning on half a pound everyday lol. I need to rethink my diet
@@Kartik-tx1bc lets use moderation. I think that avoiding processed and junk food plus moderate exercise plus avoid high carb and sugar and maintain a low stress life. I use grass fed meat plus wild caught fish. Avoiding sugar is very important.
I was trying to be vegetarian doing keto. I couldn't have dairy cause of breast feeding issues also. So my diet was alot of greens, eggs, almonds. Used to cook with almonds flour alot! >well my back was always hurting in my kidney area after I gave birth and didnt know why until I had a 104.5 fever and almost ended up in ICU due to oxalate poisoning and a kidney stone that was stuck. No the kidney doctor didnt mention once about dietary needs on changing... I found it myself... and now I've been on low oxalate diet for 3 weeks. No more kidney pain, inflammation is down, broke my stall in weight and my breast milk has boosted!
Almonds contain alot of Oxalate and Calcium, they are prone to causing Kidney stones and joint pain more than anyother plant food
How has it been going since?
The problem with asking us to consume pickled stuff is a lot of people with oxalate issues have histamine issues as a result of the oxalates, so what to do then?
I think people should be concerned about the sodium in pickled food.
Hey Thomas! Could you make an updated video on oxalate poisoning, I’ve been seeing a lot more of people talking about this and would like to see what research you can find on this. Would really appreciate it!
Check out Sally K Norton - she is excellent on oxalates.
was thinking the same thing, honestly I see people around me going on carnivore with fruit now and they are eating like 500+ grams of fruit every day. Like 3 apples a mango and so on and I'm like.. siigh.. so you stop eating vegetables because of oxalates even though fruit has oxalates too lulz and they just switch to eating a ton of fruit. Guess what happens when the liver says oh wait I'm done accepting fructose after an apple and you eat more apples, it becomes fat lol. And I don't even wanna know what kind of blood glucose these people have or how hungry they must be all the time and how they can't use energy properly anymore. What a shitshow.
@@NofirstnameNolastname
Good post 👍
Have had chronic bladder pain (IC) for a year and a half. There is no cure. Have tried many remedies with little effect. Started learning about oxalates recently, here on youtube. Just cutting back on some of these foods is helping tremendously. I finally have some hope.
Pray in Jesus name for your pain , that is the cure
I've had the same problem! And was drinking juices with lots of spinach and also drinking lots of almond milk, and started feeling horrible!
I had this but I used calcium citrate to soothe the bladder problem or you can keep eating hogh oxalate greens but add some form of calcium food like cottage cheese
Might have been Chronic Pelvic Pain syndrome. Research it
@@TheBroLounge; Unfortunately the word ‘syndrome’ suggests it’s just telling you what your symptoms are rather than getting to the cause.
Pretty wishy-washy. Not one word about what "in moderation" means in regard of spinach consumption.
moderation means not everyday and boil the spinach to lower the oxalates.
There is no moderation with spinach if 1/2 cup cooked is 600+mg of oxalates.
@@Channeled_from_Zenith yeah you are right 👍 I just listen another lecture and she Said that only six picies of baby spinach is enough , so it's very high in oxalates.
@@annamaria1972 my husband has this issue. We went to a restaurant and he ordered a soup and he didn’t ask if there was spinach in it. He took a couple bites and was in a flare up for 4-6 weeks! He had terrible gut pain -so much so that he wanted to go to the hospital and then he broke out in a rash/hives that lasted around 5 weeks. All his joint pain flared up as well.
When he was young, his grandma used to make rhubarb pies. Rhubarb is up there with spinach. He had lots of urinary issues when he was young and joint pain from a very young age. So crazy
@@Channeled_from_Zenith It means he must be very strict with His diet . I have mostly gut problems but also some rashes on my hands, armpits. And some joint issues . I want to get rid of oxalates from my body but it take time .
Do not eat spinach. Think about how much I was misled by all kinds of "health experts and doctors" and how sick I was , I am mad.
@DaddyGirl spinach literally has 40x more oxalate than kale
spinach is high in calcium so it cancels out
Popeye lied.
@@Quaggabagel Unfortunately the research doesn’t show that. Two studies done in 1939 with rats having 8% of their diet as spinach compared to other groups without the spinach demonstrated the rats that ate spinach had retarded growth, uncalcified Dentine in their teeth, weak and thinning bones, infertility and death.
@@michael_mathieu_vibrant_health I believe we are different than rats
Sally Norton, the oxalate expert, is on carnivore diet. I think it says something.
Oxalate Poisoning & Dumping : Why YOU Should Care with Elliot Overton PART 1
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I have worked with Sally! She is brilliant! Honestly it is not true "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger! " People have actually died from eating too many oxalates.
Love Sally! At 65, I am dumping no oxalates, so they are no joke.
Sally rocks!
@@lindabell6954 yeah whereas nobody ever dies from eating too much meat 🤦♂️
Dark leafy greens like arugula and romaine lettuce are consumed heavily in the Blue Zones.
So they obviously help with longevity.
The nature of oxalates is complicated and often not fully accurately represented. The body can make Oxalate endogenously as a result of excess sugar as a biproduct of glycolysis, the glycolytic enzymes and subsequent enzymes that interact with glucose, pyruvate and acetate can effectively create Oxalate from Vitamin C as it is molecularly similar to glucose.
the metabolites of Oxalates like methylglyoxal are typically broken down by enzymes produced as a biproduct of glycolysis like glyoxalase and can be broken down by glutathione and harmlessly excreted, or they can ultimately contribute to AGEs or Advanced Glycation End products that have been implicated in contributing to several metabolic diseases.
Most dietary oxalates will bind to calcium in the gut, if you've eaten enough calcium to bind to all of the oxalates, and will not absorb through the intestine. However, people have been hospitalized and even have died from oxalate toxicity after eating things like Rhubarb, Sorrel soup etc. When oxalate crystals deposit in the tissues of the body it's called oxalosis, and it can cause more oxidative stress and damage, and of course calcium oxalate deposits in the kidneys are also known as kidney stones.
The reasons why some people tolerate oxalates better and some are hypersensitive are not fully understood. It's likely multifactorial: The diet is deficient in calcium to prevent oxalate absorption in the gut, their diet is high in carbohydrates and they're producing more endogenous oxalate than normal, they have altered genetic expression and lack sufficient enzyme production to break down the oxalates, they're deficient in magnesium and vitamin D so they have excess free-floating calcium in the blood for the oxalates to bind to, they're deficient in glutathione because of certain medications and things that deplete the body of antioxidants like high fructose diets, smoking, drinking etc.
It has been suggested that the benefits of Manuka Honey are due in large part to the naturally high occurring methylglyoxal content of honey from the manuka flower. the proposed mechanism of action is that this potentially toxic oxalate metabolite is tolerated by healthy cells and not by unhealthy cells, or by pathogens like certain bacteria that take up the methylglyoxal and lack the enzymes to neutralize it and can kill those defective cells or pathogens. A similar mechanism is proposed behind the claims that ESSIAC tea can fight cancer. All of it's ingredients are very high in oxalate content.
So when you see people arguing about are Oxalates good or bad for you, the answer is not as simple as yes or no, but potentially both depending on certain dietary, lifestyle, and genetic factors as well as your overall metabolic health.
source??
Cool response. I feel smarter :)
I did the Gaps diet and consumed daily a diet rich in kale, spinach, mustard leaf and so on. But in slow, very long cooked broths super high in collagen. . Never had an issue.
all I can say is we are all different, but mostly, i guess, doesn't have a problem with foods that carnivors and ketos tell bad. \(😕)/
beware of the logic "I've never had a problem," or "I've never had an issue." because many of these things are chronic conditions which take years and decades to manifest. Nothing is ever a problem... until it is.
people think "I've never had a heart attack therefore I don't have cardiovascular disease..." but cardiovascular disease doesn't start with a heart attack, it ends with one, and by the time you've had one it's taken years or decades to finally culminate in a potentially lethal event.
type 2 diabetes also doesn't start with the failure of the beta cells in the pancreas and being dependent on exogenous insulin, that's end stage diabetes. It takes years of damage that we ignore the symptoms and telltale warning signs and shrug them off as no big deal, or mistake them for being different problems of their own.
kidney stones can form over years and decades before they're problematic and people think it's something that JUST happened, "I've never had a kidney stone before," well just because you never had one break loose and damage the kidney, obstruct and damage the urinary tract, the bladder, urethra, etc. doesn't mean you're not forming stones...
so be careful with that very vague and generalized logic based on the casual observation that since you don't yet have end stage diseases and conditions therefore you don't have a problem.
it's also a failure of logic to think the body's mechanisms to maintain homeostasis will just take care of it. if that was the case we would be able to drink unlimited amounts of alcohol, eat unlimited amounts of carbohydrates and not get diabetes, fatty liver cirrhosis... but you all know that's not the case.
the liver does produce gluconeogenesis enzymes to convert certain amino acids into glucose, but this is a survival mechanism, not a homeostasis mechanism, and it's metabolically expensive. for that reason, the body only does this when there is a demand for energy. glucagon is the hormone that signals for gluconeogenesis, however it also signals for the production of lipolytic enzymes that break down the body's stored fat and then the liver converts those into ketones for energy, which is much more energy efficient than Gluconeogenesis, and the presence of the activated fatty acids in the liver turns off the production of Gluconeogenesis enzymes.
this is why you see people who do extended fasting, in the beginning there is a period of gluconeogenesis and a small amount of muscle wasting, but once ketosis starts, it actually preserves the muscles or is muscle sparing.
people think of the body too simplistically, like it's a computer where if I push this button and it does that. Rather, the entire body and all of its systems are driven by hormones and enzymes that are more like a game of mousetrap or one of those elaborate setups of dominos that starts with tipping over one domino and results in a complex chain reaction in order to achieve an end result...
think of nutrient deficiency like missing some dominos in there, toxicity like having a bunch of random dominos where they don't belong, obesity like have a ton of excess dominos that you don't know what to do with, and genetic mutations like parts of the domino setup have been moved around and don't fall in the sequence...
this is also a simplistic analogy, because think of this one elaborate domino setup, then realize your body has many, many of these happening simultaneously that are all interconnected at crucial junctions... but it's a step in the right direction for people to get them appreciating the complexity of the body and it's processes and systems, and why proper health and nutrition require a holistic approach, and certainly much more consideration than people give it based on their observation.
If I can split hairs and be "that guy" for a moment. Pickled and fermented are 2 different things. Cucumbers are pickled and have no probiotics. olives and sauerkraut are both fermented.
Cucumbers can also be fermented..
@@daijanestokazem Yes. Your comment might have been more helpful if you'd included the following information.
If they are refrigerated, they are fermented.
If they are on the shelf next to the mustard, they are pickled and don't have the probiotics.
Vinegar = pickled
--Vinegar-- = fermented
I have been giving blood regularly since starting keto to help clear iron. Research has been showing benefits in donating blood 2-4 times a year due to the oxidized iron clearance.
Bullox
The problem is not simply the chelation of minerals. The problem is chronic accumulation of oxalate in the extracellular space and intracellular compartment.
This takes place over long periods of time and is not immediately perceived. Hence, oxalate accumulation is an insidious process which eventually can culminate in a variety of chronic health conditions which often involve pain.
Mineral chelation is primarily an issue once someone has adopted a low oxalate diet and is dumping heavily into the blood.
Also, there is no evidence of beneficial roles of oxalate in biochemistry. It is a waste product which is generated endogenously in small amounts, but in higher amounts under conditions of oxidative stress and nutritional deficiency. It is misleading to suggest that endogenous oxalate production might play beneficial roles, as this is not consistent with any existing literature
This is why plant based foods are not first choice foods, they are loaded with anti-nutrients like Oxalates. Plant based foods are also a source of phytates, these also chelate minerals and reduce their absorption. All sorts of traditional food processing methods were developed to reduce anti-nutrient levels in plant foods, like fermenting, sprouting, soaking etc. Unfortunately these methods have been forgotten, and people eat these foods in an unprocessed form, this is detrimental to nutrient status. Animal products are so beneficial to health because they do not contain these anti-nutrients, and they are nutrient dense, this is why they are first choice foods!
Nutritional Logic well said 👍🏻
nutritional logic, some experts are now saying that we should all stay away from veggies that contain "lectins". Because they cause bloating, digestion problems, and other health ailments. there are a lot of vegetables that contain this lectins compound. I also wonder if steaming or cooking lightly spinach and other high oxylates containing greens and veggies actually lessens the amount of lectins released when we eat them. Jean.
Nutritional Logic You know homo sapiens evolved at eating 100 grams of fiber a day including anti nutrients?
@@AMDG_-nk2dp Yes, according to research cooking should lower levels of oxalates, however boiling vegetables appears to be the most effective method. Steaming should lower the levels somewhat. Soaking, and boiling lowers levels of the anti-nutrient lectins and enzymes inhibitors, in things like beans for example.
Vegans reading this with smoke coming out of ears lol
That was clear as mud.
Its all about having a well balanced diet, I sure wont be stopping my consumption of spinach anytime soon and I think some people worry a little too much about a problem that they don't have, you could analyse most healthy foods and there is nearly always some negative aspect to it, some people eat lots of salmon But OMG! WHAT ABOUT THE MERCURY!!!! So people eat wild caught salmon but that still has Mercury in it? My point being you could go on and on and eventually drive yourself nuts! Will any of our lifestyle choices ever be perfect?? I doubt that, a little lemon and ACV its all good...
"there isn't a campaign against alcohol like there is against oxalates" evidently, you didn't grow up Baptist...lucky fellow
A lot do better with alcohol than oxylates...
LOLOLOL!
A lot more people know that drinking is bad for you than oxalates are bad for you... There isn't a campaign against alcohol? Has he heard of AA?
Growing up Baptist is a blessing.
@@firmbeliever3847exactly, ignorant OP. Believe in Jesus Christ for Eternal Life.
A year and a half on strict Keto (eating my dark greens and moderate protein) for one autoimmune disease, off meds for that in 3 months. On methotrexate for my RA still. Manage to taper off a wee bit, but extreme pain in my hands when I tried to go below 12.5mg. After several months of attempts to taper off I began carnivore. After 1 month of carnivore I tried tapering again and was off methotrexate in 2 weeks, no problems. Another week and I had a small kale salad 2 days in a row just to see what happens, 2nd day extreme pain in my hands. Back on carnivore. After another week I tried again, maybe it was just a coincidence, pain returns. So I stay carnivore another couple of months, had an extreme rash for several months, then it disappeared. I've since been able to eat a bit of green veggie but I remain very heavy meat Keto and remain pain free and off all medication.
Valuable info thanks.
Noted butternut very very healthy. Low oxalates I think. I eat a lot daily. Also love my daily macadamia. Also avos
Are these low ox foods ok in your opinion? Everyone just talks about greens...
@@contrarian717 Macadamia nuts are low in oxalates, and butternut squash is one to avoid. Unfortunately there is not one comprehensive list that I've found, sallyknorton.com/?s=oxalate+list
@@richardmathews8250 thanks!
What other foods do you eat besides meats and say nuts ? Im Curious
@@JosePerez-yk2px , Meat, sardines, and a few low carb veggies, broccoli, cauliflower or asparagus. Most veggies and nuts have oxalates so I eat mostly meat.
Does Apple Cider Vin also help unclog the kidneys from oxalates?
Bizzare77777 good question
Potassium citrate do. And lemon juice
Its poison
@@veryinterested4518 What do you mean? lol
@@Bizzare77777 acv is poison..
I'm not sure I learned anything about how to treat this food, as usual here. You often give lots of technical data, but little usable advice. (In my opinion, of course)
What is "in moderarion" in a measurable amount?
I take it to mean "not every day, only once a week or so"
Would you eat mercury in a moderate amount or a little round-up? High oxalate foods are toxic and they make you very sick... Never eat them! I know because I ate a ton of them when I was juicing and eating almonds and peanut butter. "Anything in moderation"does not apply to oxalates.
Linda Bell 👏🏼👏🏼 I agree
Kenneth Sundby just watch a video with Susan Owens on UA-cam and simply avoid foods high in oxalate
Every one is different so you have to find what works best for you(in moderation) I think.. or just go to a nutritionist. 👍🏼
It's an interesting thing... Your Liver produces Oxalates in the same manner that it creates Carbs for your body. You don't need to take in exogenous sources in order to have your body regulate balances/ratios of certain components. The body has so many mechanisms for maintaining homeostasis. I don't think the logic of "your Liver produces it, therefore it's good for you" is correct. Your Liver does it for a purpose. If you just start taking in exogenous sources of oxalates, it would be the same thing as eating a bunch of Rice for a source of Carbs, instead of relying on your Liver to produce it.
You don't need to have a certain amount of veggies every single day, like what is most commonly recommended.
Ares Onasis great comment
BINGO!
Where are you getting your vitamins from? Meat?
So what would you do if somebody has a liver condition and can't seduce oxalates that well or carbs which is called glycogeonetics ?
@@stevepimentel237 Pointing to an extreme isn't a proper argument for anything. There are people who's skin falls off when it comes into contact with water... Are you going to tell people to avoid showers?
Obviously if you can't produce oxalates on your own, you need exogenous sources. But I tried to look up that condition, and nothing came up.
I'm unsubscribing already. Video after video there's this food that I should avoid. That on the previous video i should eat generously. Instead of me getting excited to eat it's just making me paranoid. I don't need to be thinking "binding, enzyme, oxidize, acid"
Is cooking in a cast iron pan good or bad? I always thought it was good.
We get too much iron from the diet. Even more from pans is bad... leading to rust in the body. I need to upgrade my pans from cast iron and am not sure of the best option. Stainless steel is probably safest but def not non-stick. 🧐
Hey Thomas, could you talk about the health advantages to sprouting grains, nuts & seeds vs any health risk of eating unsprouted?
Also, does coffee have antinutrients?
I've just looked up the tea/coffee thing and apparently tea is high and coffee low in oxalates.
Great way to push the discussion forward. Love to see how the carnivore and low-oxalate community will respond.
2:18 had me at the edge of my seat. Glad only the orange was sliced.
See, we can't eat anything anymore.
Lol waa
@49jubilee no he is right we can't eat anything, whatever we eat has a side effect or effects even, just eat and enjoy life
@@TheJimmyswe150 hahahahahaha, you are right just keep eating and live a little. Little you will live. And probably not functional towards the end (absolutely no joy for the ones I have seen) before the little ends years and years before the human potential is capable of. Your advise will be well taken by 87% of the people. Consider your advise a winning one. By the way why are you here ? Duh me ! To give good counseling of course.
@@tubetime39 LOL dude calm down, iv been on the health wagon for 3 years straight while I almost quit eat anything because everything was bad for me and become very sick, it's about balance, just eat healthy no sugar it's that simple, I'm not counting fruits as those are healthy I don't care what you keto people say
@@TheJimmyswe150 Yeah bro life isnt fucking enjoyable when you find yourself in the ER all the time from kidney stones. That's the dumbest advice I've ever heard
Not all leafy greens are high in oxalates. Just certain ones like spinach and chard. Also, many women are not getting enough iron, so that is not really the problem of iron chelation--it's about the absorption of iron which is more readily absorbed from animal foods. And from what I have read, chelation aside, it's the physical structure of the oxalate that causes damage--that they are essentially non-soluble sharp, dagger-shaped crystals that damage cell tissue and the gut lining.
This. As a female who still has regular periods, I’ve been iron deficient for years and no supplements have helped. I am pretty positive that the mass amounts of spinach, sweet potatoes, almonds, almond butter, peanut butter, and white flour I ate as a vegetarian definitely inhibited the absorption of iron into my system!
Great video, Without the scaremongering
Straight to the point very informative. Thank you sir
Did Popeye get a lot of kidney stones?
Yes, he did. Since he ate a whole can of spinach (which has over 2500mg of oxalates), he surely developed a lot of kidney stones over a certain amount of time.
Over consumption of Nuts on Keto is a very real issue. . . And you can only consume a small serving of fermented foods without developing other issues... .
Oxalate degrading bacteria in our gut can die from antibiotics and is hard to get back in it seems. For example oxalobacter formigenes. Susan Owens stated in a recent interview that some bacteria in the gut need some kind of "buddy" to survive better so you would also have to get those "buddies" into your system again...
Brussels sprouts, cabbage, broccoli are low in oxalates.
Wonder if that’s true or how do we really find out if this is true.
I had oxalates before going vegan , now I eat plant based , just a few weeks so far I am wondering what my next urine check will look like. My doc gave me potassium citrate pills to lower the oxalates. He said cut down on the leafy greens , I said what ? What’s left to eat ? Can’t eat the junk , can’t eat the greens , he said keep eating the greens take an extra pill. Whatever !
I am starting plant based diet but I starting to think it may be best to take whatever pills the doc can give you and hope for hitting 75, my grandparents all lived into their 80’amd 90’s and ate Mediterranean diets and never went to the gym!
What animal-based foods are you open to?
Plant based is retarded. Take it from a 3 year vegan who just polished off steak and eggs.
Thomas, I wouldn't use the alcohol example. 🤷🤷🤷
Agee! Unpopular fact : there's no safe known level of alcohol consumption. There are in fact major public health campaigns worldwide to reduce alcohol-harm, largely neutralized by the industry.
Nothing - except maybe suicide, murder and "drugs" - has been discouraged at the social level more strongly than alcohol.
The lemon water thing is true, at least for me it was. I drank 2 glasses a day when I had a kidney stone and within 3 days of starting that the stone passed easily. Doesn't sound like Thomas has had a kidney stone, but maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks so much, you've really helped me understand oxalates a bit better for my UNI course! 😁
I quickly read the title and thought it said “oxtails” 😂
That makes 2 of us. 🤣
3 of us
Oxtail is delicious
I had 2 kidney stone attacks about 12 years ago 2 weeks apart, I was aware of oxalates but ate many of them anyway. The main thing that helped me was water. I can't find a comprehensive list, I still can't find any one to agree if kale is high or low. Nice video. Thanks
About Kale. Check this video: ua-cam.com/video/KtgyJ--X61g/v-deo.html
You will not want to eat vegetables after that...
YES! I saw a list with kale as high oxalate- another said it was low!? I’ve eliminated spinach and now eat Romain lettuce, arugula, cabbage, broccoli and kale. Kale works pretty good as a spinach substitute if you cut it small and let it rest, but is it ok for us stone makers? Who has the best, most accurate list of what you CAN eat. 😢
@@DianaHylandTX You CAN safely eat meat, eggs, milk-based products and fish that contain a small amount of heavy metals in daily bases.
@@godnyx117 but my question is about Kale. I don’t want to eat all that meat and saturated fat.
@@DianaHylandTX Oh, sorry! I thought you talked about what you can eat in general. When it comes to Kale, watch this video:
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I don't remember the part exactly but it will give you an idea.
I just found your video (releases 9 months ago) on 7 worst veggies, that explains you don’t actually get the amount of iron from spinach as previously thought; and it does more harm than good.
Oxalates salts can form anywhere not just kidneys. But the oxalate crystal shape is another major issue.
Thank you so much !! I’m glad I discovered this channel. I had an issue with kidney stones 3 years ago and it was not a happy thing at all. The pain was unbearable.
are you on a low oxalate diet after that?
I was keto for 9 months and had a lot of improvement in my health, but nothing completely resolved. I went carnivore and I'm having tremendous success.
This is very interesting, because raw foodists don't get kidney issues/or stones. They typically eat a sh*t ton of green leafy veggies, especially spinach for new raw foodists, because it's very mild and non-threatening.
I agree
They tend to have digestive issues and they themselves look terrible. They age terribly.
I agree with what you are saying about people who eat raw veggies. I would like to know who these studies are done on and the people who have issues have other issues that contribute to them.
@@Bebe-or9nw I think to release the vitamins in veggies one needs to cook lightly to release the vitamins and not destroy them.
@@Bebe-or9nwnot true.look at shane sterling 50 markus rothkranz 62.eli mattyr gillian berry msfitvegan. All look amazing compared to congested carnivores.its the meateaters that get kidney stones not raw vegans. Many people say lemon water gets rid of kidney stones.yet lemons have low level oxalate.many fruit and veg have zero
Hhahaha he said you dont see massive campaigns saying alcohol is bad. There are tons of sources stating alcohol is toxic! Poor correlation, I agree, fermented foods are probably better. Cultures all over the world have fermented foods for thousands of years because they found that plants are very hard to digest and have many many anti-nutrients. Plant foods are not needed in the human diet.
I like Thomas, but I am pretty sure he will find anything to justify the diet he does instead of admitting plant foods are inferior and carnivorous foods are superior...he started as keto and dammit, he will prevail as keto!!!
Could you please do a video on Arginine containing foods and how they can slow weight loss and may cause weight gain? Thank you, Thomas!
I quit eating my VERY green smoothies about 10 days ago, and the pain I have suffered in my joints for two years went away like a miracle. My smoothies were Collards, spinach, kale, raspberries....I will never eat Spinach or Collard greens again!
Oh no!
You should def eat those greens! Just eat more fruit too.
Don't listen to them. Don't eat those things again. I used to eat them and would have unbearable stomach pain. Listen to your body.
Oxalates will be broken down if given time! But a constant stream of oxalates will result in them bein stored around in the body and create problems given enough time!
Yes, and it gets worse when you eat a kilos (pounds, pounds and pounds) of high oxalate foods.
Oxalates are found in cashews, almonds, Brazil nuts, peanuts, and pine nuts in higher amounts than others. Keto people be aware
Any seed is not meant for human consumption its even worse than veggies for u only few like macademia or pistachip but of u donit regulary thr lectin will fuck ur intestines up real good
@@mixedmartialnutrition1746 why the language ?
You lose your credibility in your statement
Your feelings being hurt by manmade words in a manmade language makes you lose your credibility.
So happy o saw this video because I need more explanation- moderation is key
Eonutrition is thr GOAT of oxalates .
The best ever!!!
I’m so sad I didn’t sign up to talk to him when he was still booking new patients. 😭
Thomas uploading 4 vids in 2 days. Could it be even better?
I would love to see you interview Dr. Sally K. Norton about this topic. If you haven't already, check out her book: Toxic Superfoods. All about oxalates, and it is eye opening.
I'm really beginning to get disgusted with all of this. I had a feeling that there had to be a down side to keto. Just when you think you've hit on something that's going to make you healthier, then a damn oxalate rears its ugly head. I just don't know what to believe anymore!
I just purchased all kinds organic vegies to juice lots kale spinach swiss chard facepalm to head so so confused what to eat not to eat
I did Keto for 3 months in 2020 (and could never get out of the "keto flu" stage) and in November of 2020 I got slammed with the worst kidney pain imaginable. On Thanksgiving Day no less!! It's still an ongoing issue 3 months later. I wish I had never heard the word "keto".............
Personally an animal based diet is the way to go. We don't need high amounts of vegetables. We're not herbivores. All you have to do is compare out stomachs and digestive systems with carnivores and herbivores and you will see that we have more in common with carnivores. It's really not complicated.
@@Bebe-or9nw My post was 2 years ago and have researched and learned a lot since then. I started keto and quickly lost 20 lbs. I feel better physically and mentally than I have in years and all of my labs are normal. Thanks.
What about lemon juice and ACV?
Yeah I don't get this. Why take in any poison at all if you can avoid it? The body has a way of getting rid of excess iron on it's own without taking in poisons
Great vid, but i love my baby kale, baby spinach, and baby chard mix.
How is it that studies talk about eating dairy with spinach to neutralize the oxalates? Cz that’s again spinach + calcium = stones.
I put Broccoli Sprouts and brussel sprouts in my smoothies.
Where do you find broccoli sprouts at? A regular grocery store does not have that.
I’m a 34 year old male, who is vegan, and I just recently learned a bit about oxalates and what they do. This was a very helpful video that allowed me to reaffirm what I already suspected. Which is to moderate things. I thought that the more spinach or anything else I put into my body was only helping. This really helped put me at ease. So thank you for this informational video.
instead of being vegan, try keto. Much healthier
I was torn between keto or low fat plant based diet because I think they're both healthy. I was eating high fat high carb but actually moderation I think is key. I'll start with eating more whole foods instead of a bunch of process junk. MODERATION!!!
He talks Sooooo much sense. One of only 3 people on you tube who are worth listening to.
Yes. I love this video. I also enjoy listening to dr Gundry and dr Cywes.
Really? Is this guy in your top 3? Then you haven’t been looking very well. There are actual scientists on UA-cam you know who actually do science and who don’t just pick one power that matches the point they’re trying to make but that look at the whole literature
Please interview Sally K. Norton, Master of Public Health from Cornell University
I agree. I kinda tend to lean more towards what she says given that she has spent a lot of time researching oxalates
Perhaps an inconvenient fact but there's no safe known level of alcohol consumption. There are in fact major public health campaigns worldwide to reduce alcohol-harm, largely neutralized by the industry.
I have muscle spasms - I ear spinach for magnesium
I don't want oxalates to give me problems in the long term, so I can't eat spinach forever
so what the hell do i do?
Maybe we're not totally adapted to these foods yet
a lot of people are ok to eat spinach everyday and have no problem. maybe just try to avoid oxalate from other foods such as chocolates and almonds etc
Peptias seeds for that magnesium.
I suffered from kidney stones, I had two when I was vegan! and I am absolutely traumatized! Ever since going carnivore the kidney stones stopped forming, now I am thinking to add saurkraut to my carnivore life style, I believe that humans should eat 95% animal foods and 5% fermented foods...I listen a lot to Dr Natasha (she is a paleo-carnivore Dr)
Great video! Especially, your point with the microbiome. The same is true for many other things like polyphenols. Studies show that we only benefit from the intake of certain polyphenols once they have been converted by our microbiome.
Love you, Thomas, but I was eating all those high oxalate foods, especially after going Keto. I have been gluten free for over 16 yrs, Paleo for many years, went completely grain free beginning of the year, as well as Keto. At 65, I am dumping oxalates that I wish I knew about a long time ago. Went Carnivore over 4 months ago, ditched all the veggies, almond flour, almond butter, chia, dark chocolate, etc. -- and have never felt better. Oxalates are NO joke! Thank goodness for Sally Norton, as well as a neurofeedback doc I am working with, or I wouldn't have pieced together what was going on. Within in 2 days of cutting out greens (chard, dandelion greens, kale, beets greens), as well as the chia, cocao and macadamia nuts, ALL of my bloating eas gone. And, I dont have to take as much magnesium. Just proves that oxalates were my cause of never ending mineral consumption. Just can't agree with you on this one, Thomas. I think they cause more problems than people realize, and it's not just kidney stones.
The Poison is in the Dose: this is a big, big problem that I'm afraid you didn't take seriously enough here.
Please try to categorize some of the foods that are less in oxalates which will certainly help
If you guys aren’t going to eat your greens, send them to me. I’ll eat them.
Just take lemon juice aswell
And take enough dietary calcium from yoghurt and milk.
Can’t believe I was eating that garbage which I hated eating anyway
The worst garbage and offenders are: spinach and parlsey. Spinach and parlsey contain 1000mg and 1600mg of oxalates per 100g, respectively.
I’m autistic and my oxalate levels came back very high from the Organic Acid Test. :(
Detox slowly... by reducing oxalate foods by 10% per week. Too fast is painful or even dangerous. Check out Susan Owens work. She is an expert in oxalates and autism. Much love.
At least alcohol doesnt make you form the most painful stones that put you in the ER lol
Question: would oxalates be affecting menopausal autoimmune intermittent-fasting- regimen woman who at the same time is confined to sitting? 1 green salad and 1 green smoothie daily with plenty of water. And by the way never had 3-month-looking bloating issues before age 50. Curretly take ACV 2X daily and bone broth too. Sounds complicating - I know. Help..suggestions !?
What did he say ?? 🤔
I think one of the points is, unlike all the other plant toxins, oxalate accumulates in the body. Most people have probably been over-consuming oxalate for decades by the time they are watching a video like this. Within two months of lowering oxalates, my sneeze-induced urinary incontinence, intractable since my late 20's, is *gone*. I had a cold recently, sneezed about a million times. No peeing, no concentrating hard, no kegel-ing. It may take people time to dig out from under the years of accumulation.
In india much of its population is vegetarian but they eat a variety of foods at least once in a day called thali( meaning platter) typically consisting of a cooked veg, raw veg, lentil, pickle, fried chips, desert and a home cooked bread.
I also heard candida and mold increase internal oxalate load - (because they contain oxalates, or make them?)
I take beta-glucans to try reduce this problem as I have kidney pains when I eat too many oxalates, also drinking lemon juice and potassium citrate, acv, himalayan salt mix daily.
Hi Thomas just as some say we should limit oxalates, some say we should limit deuterium. You may consider a video on that topic. Thank you.
Good video. Ive cut out most veggies because of thre oxalates. Also felt bloated after eating them. Switched to keto/ Carnivore
ser keto, look also into "lectins" found in some vegetables. the so-called healthy veggies, mind you. some experts are saying to stay away from these since they cause bloating, digestive problems and other health compromises. Jean.
Ser Gabe Your gut microbiole was out of wack. You are now just avoiding your problem.
@@Crepitom Agreed. Carnivore diet doesn't resolve root cause of oxalate absorption, which can be either leathy gut, IBS or lack of enzymes that break down oxalates. Plus, carnivore diet can lead to other kind of health problems.
Zero credibility: "You don't see massive campaigns against alcohol like you do against oxalates".
And the best: "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger". Good idea to smoke a little then?
Hopefully I won't live long enuf to be forced to eat fermented chocolate.
:-/
I'm having bladder pain so I actually *_have to_* deal with this immediately. I can't just say, "Oh, well. I don't have to care about this right now." I actually *_have to_* make the right food decisions and since I'm on Food Stamps, that means I can't order online or waste money on stuff that won't last the full month.
I’m so glad chocolate cake is healthier then spinach. This is great news
Loool totally wrong! Cocoa is full of oxalates ..Im dying when eat it.
NO ,chocolate is extremely high in oxalate
Cocoa is high in oxalates lol and definitely avoid a rhubarb pie!!!!! ☠️
Unfortunately, dark chocolate and cocoa are high in oxalates. I hope that we will remove oxalates from cocoa via genetic engineering. We should use genetical engineering as a way to remove oxalates from cacao tree (and consequently, cacao powder).
If you ever get a kidney stone you will have a different attitude.
It's extremely humbling. And life ruining....
5 Spinach leaves max out recommended Oxalate intake. FIVE.
Watching D and Chaffee go at it in debate would be fascinating.
Spinach is a hybrid man made plant not natural so bad for us in that respect. Its iron our body can't absorb.
I have irish sea moss and fulvic acid daily. I also have psycillium husk to heal gut packed full of fibre.
There is a website I cant put here utube deletes it which tells you your body type of 4 and gives you a massive list of which foods give your type inflammation or not.
Add lemon juice on spinach
The best explanation on oxalates I have come across, thank you.
This is me.......All greens had to go !!! Down 140 + pounds
The only high oxalate food that I eat is dark chocolate (and cocoa). But I hate spinach like a plague. First of all, it tastes like a metal wrench. It leaves a strong metallic taste in your mouth that won't leave it. The second thing is - it tries to look like a green veggie, but it is unappealing. It is disgusting and... I don't have another words how I can explain disgust of spinach. The alternative is lettuce that contains little to no oxalate + it doesn't leave a metallic taste in your mouth (it has a best taste when you pour an apple vinegar to it). Next food is Swiss Chard, which I also hate. I can't even look at that plant (not to mention eating). Then comes beetroot. Beetroot is tasteless and tastes like a nothing. It doesn't have any taste, any flavour. But I eat apples, bananas, strawberries (some sources say that they contain oxalates, while other say that they don't contain oxalates - I don't know in which source to believe, but I assure that strawberries don't contain oxalates), and other fruits. But one is sure: spinach, Swiss Chard, Beets, dark chocolate (which is only high oxalate food that I eat), and some vegetables contain oxalates. The spinach is the worst offender - it contains more than 1000mg of oxalates per 100g (and to add salt to injury, tastes metallic).
You have to roast your beets for them to taste like something.
We make them so we don’t need them. I have kidney stones I just passed one. No pain just blood in the toilet. I have had very painful stones 2 of them I was almost a vegetarian.
While I appreciate many Of your other videos, I find this one more detriment and confusing than beneficial.
BTW, I say “Everything in moderation EXCEPT use moderation in excess.”
Yup, I would avoid high oxalate foods. If your liver is already producing oxalate so why add to the oxalate overload.
Cooking does not make oxalates safer. Spinach doesn’t want to get eaten.
Yes and spinach tastes nasty. It's like when you eat an aluminium foil (or a steel wrench). Definitely worthless for consuming.
As usual, super solid Facts!
Keep being you, brother of Men!
😎💪🏻 thank you.
I am so tired of all these nutritional camps. Everyone just wants to feel in control, so they look to the things that they can control as the source of the problem."If it's not food, then it's not in my control". All this back and forth arguing about minute details serves no purpose other than to encourage fear of food and disordered eating. Also unnecessary guilt for feeling responsible for all their health concerns.