107 hours long "most of that has been these half hour session" plus we know she spent 1 full 8hr shift in MDR. So is at maximum 198 Wellness sessions. But add in break room experience we know she had, travel, maybe induction and occasional management meetings. She probably has only done 100-150 wellness sessions over 2 years. Considering they are rare for staff it tracks. Another point on Iriving I always loved how in his wellness session she states "your outie loves the sound of radar" the most weird and less interesting one of the session and then his dog is called Radar on its name tag
Now THAT'S SOME MATH Also, holy shit THANK YOU so much for pointing that out. Even when re-reviewing his wellness session to compare/contrast his life, it completely flew over my head that his dog's name matched that factoid
@@MovieMan101 no worries. It's such a great show with so many little details that there is always something you will pick out on a rewatch. You will enjoy the rewatch. A lot of later info helps connect dots and bring out details in earlier conversations etc.
This is just speculation and might not be anything not even foreshadowing, but if you remember in the pilot, mark’s sister asks him about the therapist he used to visit that has a weird mustache, and in irving’s wellness session kacey says that he’s a friend to the ‘insane’. So it’s implied or atleast hinted at that outie mark and irving might actually know each other and the severance procedure might’ve been suggested by outie irving. And irving’s relationship with lumen might be deeper that just surface level employment
@@beefjezos2713 i noticed it while watching some reaction videos that included his sister’s scene, the majority edit it out because it doesn’t seem that interesting at first, but that ‘friend to the mentally insane’ line really stuck with me
One of the implications of Irving painting the Testing Floor elevator is that the light is on. So the view would not be from someone sent to the Testing Floor (since they wouldn't see the light on) but from someone watching another person being sent down (Milchick's POV). So my theory is Irving either saw something he wasn't supposed to see or was in Milchick's position at some point.
Fun foreshadowing: what muscles does Dylan use to hold these switches on? Delts and lats. He speculated about muscle shows, but it’s because he’s a dad.
The animated Kier message after finishing all their files would be the only time the innies are ever told "I love you." :( Also, Dan Erickson and Ben Stiller clarified that the waffle party is not just a dance performance, there is sex afterwards that Dylan skipped out on.
I think Gemma may have worked for Lumon too. I remember Marks sister saying to him that Gemma would be proud of him for taking the job. At the moment I thought she mean as in him going back to work, starting a new job as a way to move on with his life without her. But now I think Gemma may have been a Lumon employee, maybe even a proud one. Maybe she died at the job, maybe she was activated while driving and died in an accident, maybe she had a head injury that only her innie survived. The possibilities are endless! I am so hyped for S2!
The episode where MDR breaks into the control room for severed workers - H.Cobel is one of the names on the wall with a red light on, so Harmony is definitely severed in some way. Unless theres another Cobel with the first name starting with H
30:55 Not a spoiler, just expanding on the implications here: it would be so easy for Lumon to off an employee. Coax the outie to drive somewhere (tell them they’re needed at an emergency meeting at headquarters, or there’s an employee party at Pip’s, or anything like that) and make sure the route is somewhat dangerous (e.g. it includes highway driving at high speeds, curvy mountainside roads). Then someone follows them on their route. Then, when the outie is driving in the dangerous area, the person following calls another employee at the Lumon control center to flip the switch. Suddenly the outie becomes their innie, and they are driving 70 mph, or they’re driving towards the edge of a mountainside, and they have no time, no ability, no wherewithal to react. They crash. Then the person in the control center flips them back to their outie. The person following can be the first person to report the crash (to a Lumon-corrupted officer).
I think you're forgetting the Eagan situation that we learned in episode 3. Kier Eagan was the founder of Lumon in the 1800's. All the CEO's have been Eagan's and the role has been passed down through generations of the family. The current CEO is Jame Eagan who we see the wax figure of in the perpetuity wing. As far as we know, Jame is still alive as he is currently running the company.
I am still haunted by the implications of the waffle party. The idea that some outies are basically having their bodies sex trafficked without their knowledge. Or perhaps more terrifyingly, they are like Ms. Casey or the pregnant women who are only conscious when they are needed for their "role" and are not allowed any existence outside of it. I guess they could also just be unsevered employees, but I feel like at Lumon it would be the darker options.
@@nanatalie_bh Do we get confirmation that they have an orgy? I know he runs away, and the sexualised painting characters mean something, but I don’t know if it was ever said that’s what happens after the dance.
There was a story early on in the season about a Lumon employee who was severed and became pregnant at work. I often wonder if she was one of the waffle party "dancers", or maybe even the waffle party participant.
so so excited for the finale! felt like i was holding my breath the entire time… it’s been so long, i can’t believe we are finally getting season 2 soon 😩 also; please keep the white lotus in mind for a future show reaction! 🪷😄🙏🏽
“His real life bleeding through.” I mean yeah, that part is kind of crazy….personally though I was more taken aback at the reverse, outtie Irving is literally painting the testing floor elevator….that shouldnt be possible.
My theory is that Marks wife wasn’t killed, she is in a coma after the accident, perhaps she was severed before, maybe it was possible to sever her after the coma to allow a part of her brain that wasn’t damaged to become her “innie”.
My guess on the code words: Beehive = Activate all innies/ send them home to the queen. Worker, queen vibes imo. Branch Transfer = Maybe each innie has different branch expertise locked, and they can lock/unlock each one to move them when another branch needs it. Like feeding goats. Clean Slate = Format.... Elephant = Make me think memory, so maybe they give them a fake memory? Freeze Frame = Freeze them in place. Glasgow = Induced coma / sleep state for long storage. (Glasgow coma scale= Goldfish = Erase the last few min of memory, in case of emergency. Lullaby = Put them to sleep, (not freeze) Open house = Maybe a mode where they have investors, visits so the innies have to be certain behavior?
I like your takes. I think a couple might be different though so keen to hear your thoughts. For "elephant", maybe this is something to do with recovering previously deleted memories, or memories that were always severed, and putting them back into an innie's consciousness? Like the expession goes "an elephant never forgets". I definitely think this code might be related to long-term memoires in some way. It could even be erasing longer term memories rather than recovering them. For "Glasgow", I'm unsure. An "induced coma" is too simialr to "lullaby" perhaps, since putting them to sleep with "lullaby" would be indefinite until stopped. I was born (and still live) in Scotland's biggest city - Glasgow, so i get distracted each time I try to think of what it means lol. I don't have an alternative suggestion, but just think coma is too simialr to lullaby. "Clean Slate" I think is more of a hard reset with clearing "history and cache" so to put it. Rather than formating - the innies always seem to start in the same state (since they all answer the 5 question in the same way). Maybe clean slate is used to wipe the entire memory and identity of an innie and reseting them back to 'first day' freshness (or first day freshness plus keeping certain "lessons"). I think this state may have been used on Irvine at least once (but likely several times). It seems odd that Burt who'd worked there for +7 years, and Irv who's also worked there for several years, hadn't met at all until the events of the show. They clearly have a deep connection, so perhaps they have already bonded and got close before, meaning they had to be reset as the management tries to control. Irv's outie also having a clear visual imagevof the testing room lift, even though his current innie has no reason to have seen it before. My guess is that clean slate can reset an innie, but given Burt's outie having visions of the lift, while his innie retains an instant bond immediately after re-meering Burt, it might not be as effective as they believe. This could mean that if they are to attempt a "clean slate" on our group from the first season, they may in fact still retain some subconscious connections to the rest of the group. Anyway, thats what I'm thinking. What do you think?
One thing to point out. Irving was drinking coffee at night, listening to loud music and painting. At work he is sleepy and tired. I think he has been keeping himself awake on purpose. I think he is actively trying to trigger something. One of my theories is that Burt and Irving already met many times, I think they are not new acquitances, I think they may have found each other and fall in love each time. Maybe, in their case, love has transcended Severance. Unlike Mark and Ms.Casey.
Casey doesn’t see the light above the elevator. It only illuminates after the doors close. That means Irving is painting from the perspective of someone who doesn’t ride it.
*Spoilers ahead* (but I assume you've already watched the finale.) The best theory going that I've seen about why Irving keeps painting the testing floor is that he used to be a manager. So, think Kobel's job. And he did something bad, and the company placed him on a severed floor with a chip, as punishment. And with that chip, they wiped his previous memories of his work at Lumon (think Clean Slate). The reason hes painting the testing floor elevator hall in his Outtie world, is the same reason he sees paint in his Innie world. He keeps dreaming about it. And that's also why he has a list of employees and their addresses. I'm curious to see if you pick up on a duplicate scene in the finale, that you've already seen.
You watched it at a good time, just got my friend into and she loved it! (she was a big Lost fan), the wait has been awful. That's the only downside when we get great new shows..
“And that way I can leave if I’m uncomfortable or afraid.” Some great writing. It’s passed off as a joke line. But, the innies are always uncomfortable and afraid, but they never get to leave.
I’m not sure if any of the other MDR innies have gone down the testing floor besides Irving, he has been there the longest. Maybe they had to reset him at some point in the past?
I suspect that Irving as been reset many times. I kinda think they will all be reset next season, which would solve the problem of them knowing too much now.
16:55 I know they use the term "part-time," but I believe it's more per diem. They only call her when someone needs wellness. Wellness, like the break room, is not an everyday used facility, so when someone is awarded or recommended a wellness session, they would wake Ms. casey up from wherever they are keeping her actual body "host" idk send her to do those sessions then send her back "to sleep". I think my big theory on Ms. Casey is maybe the car accident did happen, but maybe a body wasn't recovered (fire, etc), but she was assumed dead. Lumon stole her unconscious or comatose body and experimented with her since she was assumed dead and no one to look for her.
it wasn't till i watched your episode 2 reaction that i realised the waffle party dance is some sort of interpretation of the painting outside wellness that burt and irving were admiring at their first meeting.
My personal meta theory (I don't know if this is a common one) but I think they're setting up for Gemma to have a violent moment later. Miss Casey is so icy and reserved, and Mark said of Gemma "I think she'd just be pissed that she's dead". So I think they're setting her up to maybe reintegrate or her outie wakes up and is violently angry about "being dead".
Sir I have been watching these videos under the impression that you filmed them months ago. Where the HECK is the last reaction 😭😭😭 Jkjk thank you so much for doing these. Just know I am SAT.
I've always thought that Gemma is slightly off so I think that maybe she's been severed not once, but two times. That would explain why she feels so robotic at times
I’ve seen others point out that Irving’s painting includes the red down arrow, meaning his memory of the testing floor would be from the point of view of someone like Milchick, not someone who’s actually in the elevator. What does it all mean???!!!?!!!!!?!!!!
Ideally, this would be my "normal" speed lol also, I figured it was only fair that I release 2 eps of Severance in a row since I had just put out 2 eps of IWTV in a row
The finale is a masterpiece.
200%! This show is SO good. Just hope Season 2 is just as good.
107 hours long "most of that has been these half hour session" plus we know she spent 1 full 8hr shift in MDR. So is at maximum 198 Wellness sessions. But add in break room experience we know she had, travel, maybe induction and occasional management meetings. She probably has only done 100-150 wellness sessions over 2 years. Considering they are rare for staff it tracks.
Another point on Iriving I always loved how in his wellness session she states "your outie loves the sound of radar" the most weird and less interesting one of the session and then his dog is called Radar on its name tag
Now THAT'S SOME MATH
Also, holy shit THANK YOU so much for pointing that out. Even when re-reviewing his wellness session to compare/contrast his life, it completely flew over my head that his dog's name matched that factoid
@@MovieMan101 no worries. It's such a great show with so many little details that there is always something you will pick out on a rewatch. You will enjoy the rewatch. A lot of later info helps connect dots and bring out details in earlier conversations etc.
its a fun little cameo, ben stiller voices the little animated egan when helly completes her file
Fun fact, the dog that plays Irving's dog is also Mondale from Succession. Love to see my boy outside of Monjail for once.
Watching people react to the waffle party is one of life’s hidden gems.
This is just speculation and might not be anything not even foreshadowing, but if you remember in the pilot, mark’s sister asks him about the therapist he used to visit that has a weird mustache, and in irving’s wellness session kacey says that he’s a friend to the ‘insane’.
So it’s implied or atleast hinted at that outie mark and irving might actually know each other and the severance procedure might’ve been suggested by outie irving. And irving’s relationship with lumen might be deeper that just surface level employment
I personally love this theory. Was thinking about it when rewatching the show last time.
Wow thats good, did you come up with this?
Somebody needs to tell NautilusFiles
@@beefjezos2713 i noticed it while watching some reaction videos that included his sister’s scene, the majority edit it out because it doesn’t seem that interesting at first, but that ‘friend to the mentally insane’ line really stuck with me
@@filmbabble A friend to children, the elderly, and the insane.
One of the implications of Irving painting the Testing Floor elevator is that the light is on. So the view would not be from someone sent to the Testing Floor (since they wouldn't see the light on) but from someone watching another person being sent down (Milchick's POV). So my theory is Irving either saw something he wasn't supposed to see or was in Milchick's position at some point.
Fun foreshadowing: what muscles does Dylan use to hold these switches on? Delts and lats. He speculated about muscle shows, but it’s because he’s a dad.
The animated Kier message after finishing all their files would be the only time the innies are ever told "I love you." :(
Also, Dan Erickson and Ben Stiller clarified that the waffle party is not just a dance performance, there is sex afterwards that Dylan skipped out on.
9:40 Your Face at “ I knew you could do it, Helly R.” 😂😂 love it!
I think Gemma may have worked for Lumon too. I remember Marks sister saying to him that Gemma would be proud of him for taking the job. At the moment I thought she mean as in him going back to work, starting a new job as a way to move on with his life without her. But now I think Gemma may have been a Lumon employee, maybe even a proud one. Maybe she died at the job, maybe she was activated while driving and died in an accident, maybe she had a head injury that only her innie survived. The possibilities are endless! I am so hyped for S2!
The episode where MDR breaks into the control room for severed workers - H.Cobel is one of the names on the wall with a red light on, so Harmony is definitely severed in some way. Unless theres another Cobel with the first name starting with H
30:55 Not a spoiler, just expanding on the implications here: it would be so easy for Lumon to off an employee. Coax the outie to drive somewhere (tell them they’re needed at an emergency meeting at headquarters, or there’s an employee party at Pip’s, or anything like that) and make sure the route is somewhat dangerous (e.g. it includes highway driving at high speeds, curvy mountainside roads). Then someone follows them on their route. Then, when the outie is driving in the dangerous area, the person following calls another employee at the Lumon control center to flip the switch. Suddenly the outie becomes their innie, and they are driving 70 mph, or they’re driving towards the edge of a mountainside, and they have no time, no ability, no wherewithal to react. They crash. Then the person in the control center flips them back to their outie. The person following can be the first person to report the crash (to a Lumon-corrupted officer).
that's what could have happened to Gemma. Maybe she got a head injury and its only her innie now? so many possibilities can't wait for s2
the suspense is so real. i was on the edge of my seat the entire finale, can't wait to see what you think!
I think you're forgetting the Eagan situation that we learned in episode 3. Kier Eagan was the founder of Lumon in the 1800's. All the CEO's have been Eagan's and the role has been passed down through generations of the family. The current CEO is Jame Eagan who we see the wax figure of in the perpetuity wing. As far as we know, Jame is still alive as he is currently running the company.
I am still haunted by the implications of the waffle party. The idea that some outies are basically having their bodies sex trafficked without their knowledge. Or perhaps more terrifyingly, they are like Ms. Casey or the pregnant women who are only conscious when they are needed for their "role" and are not allowed any existence outside of it. I guess they could also just be unsevered employees, but I feel like at Lumon it would be the darker options.
@@nanatalie_bh Do we get confirmation that they have an orgy? I know he runs away, and the sexualised painting characters mean something, but I don’t know if it was ever said that’s what happens after the dance.
There was a story early on in the season about a Lumon employee who was severed and became pregnant at work. I often wonder if she was one of the waffle party "dancers", or maybe even the waffle party participant.
so so excited for the finale! felt like i was holding my breath the entire time… it’s been so long, i can’t believe we are finally getting season 2 soon 😩 also; please keep the white lotus in mind for a future show reaction! 🪷😄🙏🏽
“His real life bleeding through.”
I mean yeah, that part is kind of crazy….personally though I was more taken aback at the reverse, outtie Irving is literally painting the testing floor elevator….that shouldnt be possible.
"Well, maybe love transcends Severance." -Dylan to Helly in episode 6
we need the finale asap. it is one of the greatest season finales to ever be created imho
My theory is that Marks wife wasn’t killed, she is in a coma after the accident, perhaps she was severed before, maybe it was possible to sever her after the coma to allow a part of her brain that wasn’t damaged to become her “innie”.
My guess on the code words:
Beehive = Activate all innies/ send them home to the queen. Worker, queen vibes imo.
Branch Transfer = Maybe each innie has different branch expertise locked, and they can lock/unlock each one to move them when another branch needs it. Like feeding goats.
Clean Slate = Format....
Elephant = Make me think memory, so maybe they give them a fake memory?
Freeze Frame = Freeze them in place.
Glasgow = Induced coma / sleep state for long storage. (Glasgow coma scale=
Goldfish = Erase the last few min of memory, in case of emergency.
Lullaby = Put them to sleep, (not freeze)
Open house = Maybe a mode where they have investors, visits so the innies have to be certain behavior?
I like your takes. I think a couple might be different though so keen to hear your thoughts.
For "elephant", maybe this is something to do with recovering previously deleted memories, or memories that were always severed, and putting them back into an innie's consciousness? Like the expession goes "an elephant never forgets". I definitely think this code might be related to long-term memoires in some way. It could even be erasing longer term memories rather than recovering them.
For "Glasgow", I'm unsure. An "induced coma" is too simialr to "lullaby" perhaps, since putting them to sleep with "lullaby" would be indefinite until stopped. I was born (and still live) in Scotland's biggest city - Glasgow, so i get distracted each time I try to think of what it means lol. I don't have an alternative suggestion, but just think coma is too simialr to lullaby.
"Clean Slate" I think is more of a hard reset with clearing "history and cache" so to put it. Rather than formating - the innies always seem to start in the same state (since they all answer the 5 question in the same way). Maybe clean slate is used to wipe the entire memory and identity of an innie and reseting them back to 'first day' freshness (or first day freshness plus keeping certain "lessons").
I think this state may have been used on Irvine at least once (but likely several times). It seems odd that Burt who'd worked there for +7 years, and Irv who's also worked there for several years, hadn't met at all until the events of the show. They clearly have a deep connection, so perhaps they have already bonded and got close before, meaning they had to be reset as the management tries to control. Irv's outie also having a clear visual imagevof the testing room lift, even though his current innie has no reason to have seen it before.
My guess is that clean slate can reset an innie, but given Burt's outie having visions of the lift, while his innie retains an instant bond immediately after re-meering Burt, it might not be as effective as they believe.
This could mean that if they are to attempt a "clean slate" on our group from the first season, they may in fact still retain some subconscious connections to the rest of the group.
Anyway, thats what I'm thinking. What do you think?
39:38 this was so me as well dude😂😂😂
One thing to point out. Irving was drinking coffee at night, listening to loud music and painting. At work he is sleepy and tired. I think he has been keeping himself awake on purpose. I think he is actively trying to trigger something. One of my theories is that Burt and Irving already met many times, I think they are not new acquitances, I think they may have found each other and fall in love each time. Maybe, in their case, love has transcended Severance. Unlike Mark and Ms.Casey.
Casey doesn’t see the light above the elevator. It only illuminates after the doors close. That means Irving is painting from the perspective of someone who doesn’t ride it.
*Spoilers ahead* (but I assume you've already watched the finale.)
The best theory going that I've seen about why Irving keeps painting the testing floor is that he used to be a manager. So, think Kobel's job. And he did something bad, and the company placed him on a severed floor with a chip, as punishment. And with that chip, they wiped his previous memories of his work at Lumon (think Clean Slate). The reason hes painting the testing floor elevator hall in his Outtie world, is the same reason he sees paint in his Innie world. He keeps dreaming about it. And that's also why he has a list of employees and their addresses.
I'm curious to see if you pick up on a duplicate scene in the finale, that you've already seen.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
I wonder how familiar the creators of this show are with Mormonism. Keir Egan and the cult built around him give off a real Joseph Smith vibe.
excited for you reaction to the finale🔥🔥 it’s insane
You watched it at a good time, just got my friend into and she loved it! (she was a big Lost fan), the wait has been awful. That's the only downside when we get great new shows..
“And that way I can leave if I’m uncomfortable or afraid.” Some great writing. It’s passed off as a joke line. But, the innies are always uncomfortable and afraid, but they never get to leave.
She doesn't have an innie
@@mr.balloffur maybe she is a rogue innie too
I’m not sure if any of the other MDR innies have gone down the testing floor besides Irving, he has been there the longest. Maybe they had to reset him at some point in the past?
I suspect that Irving as been reset many times. I kinda think they will all be reset next season, which would solve the problem of them knowing too much now.
16:55 I know they use the term "part-time," but I believe it's more per diem. They only call her when someone needs wellness. Wellness, like the break room, is not an everyday used facility, so when someone is awarded or recommended a wellness session, they would wake Ms. casey up from wherever they are keeping her actual body "host" idk send her to do those sessions then send her back "to sleep". I think my big theory on Ms. Casey is maybe the car accident did happen, but maybe a body wasn't recovered (fire, etc), but she was assumed dead. Lumon stole her unconscious or comatose body and experimented with her since she was assumed dead and no one to look for her.
This finale broke me, I can't wait to see your reaction!
it wasn't till i watched your episode 2 reaction that i realised the waffle party dance is some sort of interpretation of the painting outside wellness that burt and irving were admiring at their first meeting.
My personal meta theory (I don't know if this is a common one) but I think they're setting up for Gemma to have a violent moment later. Miss Casey is so icy and reserved, and Mark said of Gemma "I think she'd just be pissed that she's dead". So I think they're setting her up to maybe reintegrate or her outie wakes up and is violently angry about "being dead".
WHERE IS THE LAST EPISODE?!!! 😭😭😭
Sir I have been watching these videos under the impression that you filmed them months ago. Where the HECK is the last reaction 😭😭😭
Jkjk thank you so much for doing these. Just know I am SAT.
ms casey DID say "your outie loves the sound of radar" though 👀
You’re the first I’ve heard say the board’s voice sounds like Mark’s. It wouldn’t make any sense at all… but now I can’t un-hear it lol!
the tension is crazyyyy, this finale is so good can’t wait
I've always thought that Gemma is slightly off so I think that maybe she's been severed not once, but two times. That would explain why she feels so robotic at times
*arrives two weeks later with waffles* The four masked dancers represent the four tempers, just as the painting by the Wellness room
I wonder if the dancers are severed just for the waffle parties
Speaking of a voice sounding like Mark's... did you notice whose voice was in the recording that Petey played for Mark? It's Mark's voice
I’ve seen others point out that Irving’s painting includes the red down arrow, meaning his memory of the testing floor would be from the point of view of someone like Milchick, not someone who’s actually in the elevator.
What does it all mean???!!!?!!!!!?!!!!
Unexpectedly fast release
Ideally, this would be my "normal" speed lol also, I figured it was only fair that I release 2 eps of Severance in a row since I had just put out 2 eps of IWTV in a row
The completion monitor scene with Kier Eagan reminds me so much of Harvest Moon/Stardew Valley lol
Will you be putting this on Patreon? I've been checking for it like a crazy person. 😂
I also thought the board sounds like Mark! Maybe they cloned him?
The last two episodes shaved years off my life 😂
Say parcheesi! nice reference 😭