British Pistols of World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. C&Rsenal
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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Othais introduces the standard British pistols and revolvers to Indy, including the iconic Webley series.
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Gilbert, Martin. The First World War. A Complete History, Holt Paperbacks, 2004.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. A Combat History of the First World War, Oxford University Press, 2013.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. 1914-1918, Profile Books, 2013.
Stone, Norman. World War One. A Short History, Penguin, 2008.
Keegan, John. The First World War, Vintage, 2000.
Hastings, Max. Catastrophe 1914. Europe Goes To War, Knopf, 2013.
Hirschfeld, Gerhard. Enzyklopädie Erster Weltkrieg, Schöningh Paderborn, 2004
Michalka, Wolfgang. Der Erste Weltkrieg. Wirkung, Wahrnehmung, Analyse, Seehamer Verlag GmbH, 2000
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Gun Rubeus Hagrid interviewed by a tattooed astronaut who is the only man to escape the Black Dolphin.
PS. No Ad, thanks You Tube for the free video (sarcasm).
Have you never seen Hagrid??? If you had you would not compare these two.
Gotta give a thumbs up for the mug alone
The mug is historically accurate, not many people know that Ernie originally raised to fame as a trench raider. He was eventually honorably discharged after his CO found all the german scalps in his cot. He went on to be a poster child selling war bonds.
Little did people know, however, that Ernie was also partially responsible for Hitler's rise to power postwar, as the embittered veteran went to Germany and became a huge help to the NSDAP's meteoric rise. But that is a story for another video.
For you see one night Bert and Ernie were talking about life after the war when Bert was shot by a German Sniper and dying in Ernie's arms, Ernie went insane with rage and killed 50 Germans in one night alone with only his Trench Knife. They found him the next morning covered head to toe in blood with only his knife, 50 scalps, and a rubber ducky
@@Tadicuslegion78 The Rubber Ducky reference nailed it!
Last episode I mentioned that my dream was for my wife and I to fall pregnant and Flo kindly offered to help, he met with my wife and I don't know what he did but we're now expecting a baby. Thanks Flo.
glad to be of service. my mother is a midwife, so just come to Berlin if you need help.
cool
Your wife met with him and you don't know what he did but she's pregnant 😐 nothing wrong here
Oh...
Wait a minute...
I was hoping to see a Webley Fosbery semiautomatic revolver. I know they were never officially issued but the idea of a recoil operated revolver is just amazingly goofy.
Indy wants your bullets..... couldn’t resist the crystal skull line
None of these pistols were actually issued. British officers had to buy their own, along with their uniforms. However the government gave them a grant to make the purchase.
Dean Stuart no, handguns were issued, to certain NCO's and members of arms such as the artillery (both officers and non-coms)
You are correct up to a point. The British army in 1914 was an entirely professional force and officers, as you said, had to purchase their own side arms, which had to be in .455 Webley calibre. However, when conscription was introduced in 1916, it was decided to issue standard Webley mk 6 revolvers as there were not enough weapons on the civilian market to meet the demand and some officers were turning up at the front with some seriously weird, and totally unsuitable, handguns. Other ranks who used handguns for specialist functions (eg Lewis gun teams) always had their guns issued from central supplies.
0:02 is that mug historically accurate like the rest of the set?
I'm just going to say that Ernie and the Red Baron have never been seen in the same plane before. Do what you will with that information.
One reason - just speculation - for the single shot pistol may well have been that Brits were always scared that their troops would blaze away and use up a whole lot of ammunition. That was the reason for the magazine cut off on the early rifles.
I was so confused when Indie started asking questions. Are the in the same room? Is it telepathy? Does Indie just speak into the air and the guy hears it like the voice of god?
Then I saw the tablet.
Today's technology is pretty magical...
Thanks, now I can't stop imagining the two of them talking old testament style to the other. 'Thou shalt not use commercial cartridges with this particularly Wembly'
Last time I was this early, The Titanic was unsinkable!
No one said th e titanic was un unsinkable
Found A wesley Selfloader MkI in Ghorak Valley Afghanistan
Othais,on reflection the information you and Ian share out on a shoestring represents literally decades of purchases of various fairly expensive magazines,and the depth you in particular manage is really rewarding. In addition there is the actual videos of usage. Mae with the wall gun or the Mauser
tank rifle is so memorable as to be iconic.
I think you guys should put out a wall poster with Mae,the gun and the grin. I think of all those mostly boring history classes I sat through. History does not have to be boring.
The positive energy from the interaction here is truly praiseworthy. I grew up with kinfolk who personally experienced both wars and I wish they could have lived to see a program such this Great War project finding interest and resonance with people who are literally 100 years younger than they. Most of the European population lived lives comprehensible to that of the ancient Egyptians,and in the era of the 20th Century went from that to watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon. Of course surviving two world wars was the price required to do that.
At any rate, Indy, Flo and crew,way to go and you guys done plumb good. Hope you can keep going on something after November 11. Hang the Kaiser.
Officers in the British Army were generally expected to purchase their own sidearm. Hence, there is a large mix of handguns used.
The webley pistol was used most commonly used by the RIC during the Irish War for Independence. The IRA was known to use a few but it was favoured by the RIC, The Black Amd Tans and The Auxiliaries.
This is awesome, would love if you guys made this a series
Wait...what?? A bayonet on a revolver?! Wow, again, and here I thought I was fairly well-informed on the war, but never ever heard of that!
Love this channel, Indy is superb, history and weapons information is excellent.
"It would have to catch up to the plane first."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Warning. The following is pure nerd. Read at your own risk. Any joviality lost is not my fault.
A bullet doesn't lose effective velocity in aerial combat per se. Assuming the two magnificent men in their flying machines are going up-tiddly-up-up and down-tiddly-down-down at around 90mph (frightfully fast in 1915) then the ammo they have in their guns is already moving at 90mph (132fps). .455 Webley could hit 757fps. Add on the speed of an aircraft and one has a relative velocity of 889fps.
If they're engaged in a game of chicken then (assuming same air speed) .455 is travelling 1021fps.
Either way, despite being slow to would still catch the prey and would be fairly effective as the mass (17 grams or 265 grains) would combined with it's diameter tear a massive hole through an airframe.
For comparison, 9x19mm Glisenti=1000fps
9x19mm Luger/parabellum= 1335fps
.45 ACP= 960 (authentic ww1 loading)
Later rounds such as .30-06 virtually negated the relative ballistic travel time in dog dogfights.
.30-06= 2910fps
.303= 2770fps
7.92x57mm (8mm Mauser)= 2700fps.
As a fun bonus, the fastest bullet ever is a Wildcat round, the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. It clocked in at 4600fps.
Thanks. Been waiting on the Webley's.
Nice. Didn't know about the Spanish guns, but they make sense. Spain made lots of diff guns for people. Of varying quality.
Just came from seeing the time ghosts announcements and I'm so excited for what that channel can have in-store in the foreseeable future.
I think the single shot feature of the pistol has a similar background like the magazine cutoff of the SMLE. The brits loved their idea of controlled volley fire and for a long time thought that having a magazine fed rifle would just result in the soldiers wasting their shots. Depending on who was in charge of adopting the handgun for the navy the idea might have still been present.
The mag cut-off was a common feature of colonial era weapons. The idea was to limit ammunition consumption. Prior to WW1 the standard practice was ranked volley fire, shooting on order. The Navy had even more reason to reserve magazine fire for emergencies only because there's only so much ammo one can cram on a ship.
Wow! That thing kicks like the T-Gewehr! Way to go, Mae!
I love the feel of the birdshead grip on my old Mark 4. They should have keep it on the Mark 6.
Great video and very informative.
Awww I really enjoyed the hour long weapons specials you guys do with all the filler in between camera cooldowns hahaha. Tho this one is great as well!
Ok. Stop. Wtf. I have watched every single episode and never felt the need to comment. What's with the sesame street mug? I demand answers! Great show by the way. Great job.
It was just there on Indy's desk when had our first live stream and now he won't do it without the mug.
@@TheGreatWar It is the Comfy Chair of Wisdom, so...the Mug of Weapons Knowledge?
I have my grandfather's Smith &Wesson 1917 in 455,as used by him in the trenches.
L85A1 is a British cuss word =)
No it's a civil servant,doesn't work,can't be fired
The Mark V Webley would be about the top of my list, but I would want a longer barrel. The made one with around a seven and a half inch barrel which would be my first choice. If I couldn't get that I might settle for the six inch. I guess the automatic revolver didn't come out until after the war which is why it wasn't mentioned.
Thanks
Great job.
Some of the variety is explained by the fact that many British officers bought their own sidearms. Up until the 1960s it was quite common, and even expected that an officer would have their own pistol. The Webley Fosbery automatic revolver was quite popular as it was available in .455. There was also a vogue in some regiments for Broomhandle Mausers, but ammunition supply may have been a problem. That said, a box of 50 .455 would see an officer through several battles!
The Northern Ireland campaign finally stopped this tradition, mainly due to the potential legal issues if someone got shot with a private weapon.
Those are the guns they use in Peaky Blinders too.
Yeah
I want an -the best ww1 gun in every category- special episode .
I meant that I want a 'the best ww1 gun of every category' special episode.I am talking to myself.Well ...that was strange.Or not.Oh shut up .
how do you determine "best"
Good question.I don't know,maybe the most reliable in combat conditions.
Using this info for my next bf1 loadout
Tamas Sandor
Levelcap?
Flexi Paradise nah, for my own loadouts. I like to challenge myself by using faction specific weapons. I can never bring myself to using a P08 as a British soldier
I do the same thing, I always use appropriate weapons. I hate how there isn't an Italian rifle.
S Ryan you mean the carcano that got added last dlc?
Oooooh no way. I haven't played it in a while, but it's good to know it's in the game now.
Does that MKI have a Copper Firing Pin?
Love those .455 Webley revolvers, they're the pistol version of a Hawker Typhoon, way to go on that one England👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
And the .476 manstopper was the Beaufighter
Pretty sure you know this already but Officers in the British Army in WWI tended to purchase their own side arms.including German Mausers etc My Great Grandfather bought two Webley MkVI revolvers direct from the manufacturer and used them in most of the major battles in France and Belgium..he was a Major in the Royal Field Artillery ....An interesting and rather sad fact... he kept them in his safe until about 1976 when the British Government ordered all unlicensed weapons to be handed in to the local Police..he did and was promptly arrested. He was never prosecuted, but it marked his declining years. That our Government should treat an old warhorse like that is a testament to how they disarmed the British people
Thats dumb 😮
When they do Arms collection here, its no question asked🇿🇦
Great video, but I expected a little more shooting footage. I had no idea that the british army also used those spanish made handgun copies. Is that american made new century revolver also based on the design of the s&w triple lock? A friend of mine also has a spanish copy of one of these triple locks in .44 hahaha
von HUEland They have more footage and in depth videos on their channel.
The Webley SLP kind of looks like a WW1 Glock.
Like a Glock / Luger hybrid. Or... something.
Exactly.
when did the Webley Automatic Revolver come out?
I love this channel
I really wish the Lewis Gun crew in the original version of this intro hadn't been replaced by a German gun crew. The way it is now, ALL of the soldiers (besides Alexei Brusilov) shown in the intro are German.
Peter Lynch It looked silly because the lewis gun was missing its magazine.
Yes Pistols
I need to see the Kolibri
Monster Box That was an Austrian pistol but no one used it during the war. That was more of a pocket pistol for self defense for rich people. If you do want to see it go over to Forgotten Weapons on UA-cam. Ian McCollum from that show also helped DICE with ideas on what weapons they could add to their game.
So, just like in the game, nobody used that thing IRL...
Hehehe. Just provided for historical accuracy . . . like my appendix.
ua-cam.com/video/THsDpGJcpk8/v-deo.html
They're pretty rare nowadays...likely because everyone dropped them and lost it
A Burt and Ernie fan!
Cool mug
The webley auto loader looks like the hipoint of 1916.
I wonder. Is the Webley gas ejected from the cylinder as powerful (and dangerous) as more recent revolvers?
What about the Webley-Fosbery? Granted it wasn't used in large numbers but it's interesting nonetheless.
Yay! Collaboration between two of my three favorite channels! You guys rock! (or you would, if you were older . . . hehe).
And Hi Flo! My dream is that success and millions of USD in profits don't spoil your lives!
hi
to book end the lecture the revolver before the mk I was the bulldog, a short barreled .455 that was quickly replaced by the mkI's longer barel. that having been said it was relegated to support personel such as army doctors who would later live on Baker street and carry it in their pocket- not something you can do with the MkI (I've tried.0
At thev other end was the Webley-Fosberry a semiautomatic revolver that today goes for about $50k. It was most famous for being the murder weapon in "The Maltese Falcon" it was never poular in WW1 becasue unlike an automatic like the Browning 1911 it had a lot of exposed paqrts that can jamb really quickly in a dirty trnech. I've owned a Mataba semi-auto revolver and while it was gloriously accurate and had virtually no recoil it was a stone bitch to keep clean and firing just a box at the range (about 50 rounds) would clog her.
What is the " Abbotty " system? I'm trying to look it up and can't find it
I like your Ernie mug Indy :)
Does anyone else think of that IT crowed episode where Mr Reynholm finds a gun. "I wonder how many deserters my grandfather shot with this."
Love the mug
i really wana webley, they are pricey though
Gotta love that mug tho
Hey Indy, I just learned that the strange face helmet the German support class uses in battlefield is called a Gaede helmet. Any info?
Fried Waffle They were used by Armeegruppe Gaede (mountain troops) in the Vosges-Alps front to prevent casualties from debris, most were melted down into M16 stahlhelms a year later
AfrikaKorp42 ty
Gran canal like
Can anyone explain the practical use of a bayonet on a pistol?
amazing weaponry though
That dudes background is beautiful 😢
Question to the team: how reliable were the pistols during ww I? Generally I think revolvers were more reliable and because of that better. Perhaps with the exception of Colt 1911.
Hans Stigsson Go over to C&Rsenal on UA-cam. They have really in depth videos on all the weapons they showed here and many others.
That guy sure knows about guns me I know nothing about guns but fun fact I had a webly 2.2 air rifle that my grandad passed down to me use to shoot rats at the whiskey bond
Question. Did Britain use the 1911 in ww1? I couldn't find any info on it.
Some British officers probably did since they had to buy their own weapons. Standard British soldiers mostly used the Webelys as their sidearm.
where did they buy gun on 1914
and who buy for them
Where is the tripple action revolver at :p
Do you mean the Triple Lock?
Isn't that the revolver Indiana Jones used? What Mark did he use?
BJ Blaskovich He used three different revolvers. One was indeed the Weblie Mark IV.
Actually, the one Harrison Ford used was the older WG model Webley, which looks similar.
He used a Webley MkIV in .38 S&W in 4, and a S&W New Century/Model 2 Hand-Ejector/M1917 in .45ACP in the 1st 3 movies
AfrikaKorp42, this is not correct. He used 2 different Smith and Wesson Hand Ejectors 2nd Model in "Raiders" which, since it was supplied by a British prop master, was chambered in .455 Eley. (You can presume that since Indy was an American character using an American gun, he was supposed to have had it in .44 special, which would have been the likeliest caliber for that handgun, but the actual, screen-used prop was chambered for a British cartridge.) The second was supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale, CA, and was .45ACP. (He also used a Browning Hi Power in 2 scenes in "Raiders" including the bar fight in Nepal.)
In Temple, he only has his gun briefly -- it gets dropped out of the car in the chase after he hands it to Willie Scott. That gun has been identified as a Colt Official Police in .38 caliber.
In "Last Crusade," Indy is carrying a .455 British Webley WG Army model, which despite the name, was not an official British service revolver, but rather a commercial version chambered for the .455 Webley service round, that would be available for private purchase by British military officers. And he is most certainly not using the S&W in this movie: you can clearly see this when he lands the stolen airplane and breaks the gun open -- Webleys are top breaks -- and you see all six chambers are empty. You can also see clearly from the size of the chambers that the gun is .455 caliber, not .38.
In "Crystal Skull" he still has the Webley WG. It's visible as such in a couple of screen shots and production stills. It is NOT the .38S&W Enfield revolver.
AfrikaKorp42 .45 ACP doesn't work in revolvers. Perhaps you are thinking .45 Long Colt?
Flo!
I really wish and need to win the lottery jackpot :)
Just holding cartridges for comparison is quite a surprise. .45 ACP? you could do some harm just THROWING it at someone, and I think .455 was often even heavier.
I didn’t even click on it this time it just opened itself
No Webley Fosbery , And they where Definitely In WW-1 , The Royal Navy also bought Colt 1911 chambered in 455 Webley Auto . As British Officers bought their own side arms there where people like Winston Churchill who had the Mauser C-96, Also The Webley .450 British Bulldog , The Colt M1903 Hammerless , The Colt M1909, Colt 1911 (in 45 Colt) And the Multi barrel Lancaster , S&W M1899, M1917, S&W Triple Locks . So to say that about wraps it up for the Pistols not even close , Also a .455, 265 grain projectile traveling at 700 ft per second will catch a Circa 1915 aircraft traveling at 98mph
I'm pretty sure they've done the Mauser, and colt.
Poshboy I am sure they have been covered , but as the article is British pistols of WW-1 , an opening statement of British officers at the time where required to buy their uniforms side arms and even swords so there was a service pistol made by Webley but officers often bought what appealed to them , The schools most of the officers came from at the time taught pistol shooting , and by 1917 the British government. Where supplying ammunition in 455 Webley 455 Webley Auto , 45 Colt Auto, 38 and 380 maybe even more calibres in limited supply. With that advent of officers being from other walks of life service pistols where issued as the cost of furnishing a uniform and a side arm may have been beyond a person at the times means , The Webley Fosbery for instance was very popular with pilots in the Then Royal Flying Corp , as it's self cocking action gives you semi automatic fire , but without ejecting brass that could possibly jam the aircrafts controls , plus being in a aircraft fashioned from wood and doped Cotton ejecting a smoldering piece of brass is less than ideal . On a similar tangent but at the end of the second world war in Europe the often last creditied Aircraft bought down was a German spotter plane , bought down by an American spotter plane with pistol fire from the crews two 45 Colt 1911's , while the Germans returned fire with thier 9 mm side arms .
Do a video of Battlefield 1 Turning Tides DLC Trailer!
144th like! To honour it, I watched in 144p!
I liked for that beautiful mug.
What about Webley Fosbery?
Only 1200 were ever made. It was only made for a few years note than a decade before the war. Almost no one ever used them.
Will indy really start World war 2 on septembre 1, 2018?
as guerras napoleônicas Napoleão If it would be in in 2019 because the war started 1939
as guerras napoleônicas Napoleão Yeah, Indy is going to invade Poland.
Lichtachse LP you say sitould start in 2019 because the war began in 1939 right? .after 1939 comes 1940. After 2019 ven 2020 .so it makes no sense for him to start in 2019!
Daniel Butka colo, but i remember that indy said He World also cover the theaters of the pacific and africans then how japan invaded china on july 7 1937 and how this invasion is part of the second World war in Ásia , indy have to start in 7 july 2018!
as guerras napoleônicas Napoleão It would be the 70th Anniversary and he started the Main Series on this Channel at the 100th Anniversary of WW1 so why would it make no sense?
it's weird watching Othais talk quickly
any luck finding that sneacky portuguese hand gun?
personally instead of putting a bayonet on a revolver like that it would probably be better to issue sabers considering most would shoot the revolver one handed.
nutcrackit Have fun taking that saber with you instead of just using a knife or club like every other troop did when they really needed it.
They actually were issued sabres. By that time they were ceremonial only except for cavalry
I FIRED THE WEBLEY A THE GUN RANGE , NOT BAD . I'LL TAKE THE OLD .45 ANYDAY HOWEVER .
that ernie cup 😂
Were pistols and revolvers given to NCO back then?
Anderson Andrighi Who do you expect got the revolvers?
Karolinska officers
Anderson Andrighi I don't understand why you would ask a question you already know the answer to.
I don't. Side arms are now an officer thing. I don't know back them. Today only MP, officers and Special Forces are issued a side arm. The regular troops are issued the main assault rifle of their country or the carbine version. I also watched recently Lost City of Z and in the WW I segment I noticed that Major Percy Fawcett (Charlie Hunnam) is issued a revolver while NCO are not. So back them is like back now?
I have to ask because WWI is the first big industrial war and contrary to popular belief handguns are not common in the Armed Forces now.
Anderson Andrighi NCOs and COs were often issued a side arm in place of a rifle. Though, in many cases, officers had to buy their weapon.
When does the new show begin? I can't wait to see where it goes without the strange company behind it.
Nothing from Enfield?
Manchestersgirl no. They only became concerned with handguns when the brits chose to go with .38 S&W in the 20s. The war office took webleys design and handed it to enfield to produce for cheaper. Lawsuit followed but webley didn't get much back. Wind forward to ww2 and the govt were begging webley for every revolver they could produce.
España, arsenal de la democracia ! :)
I have an old gun I think is a 44 mag . the percution hammer is broken . but the rest is ok made in England can you help me and tell what is exactly ??? yor email in order to send you potos
Great content just sounds like Kermit
ERNIE GANG
This is off topic, Flo, but the insights it provides might be outside the scope of the literature you have access to. From the US World War One Memorial, about the first year of the war, from the seaborne perspective. The line of reasoning he takes makes much clear that was before rather random seeming.
ua-cam.com/video/KF8FM2n33VA/v-deo.html I would not link someone else's video did I not think it was a game changer.
This dude takes a break from breathing to breathe.
For sale: Italian gun, never shot, once dropped....
Today pistols is bad old pistols is goood
po srbski [✓] Strongly disagree
Its teh original glock
Great work with the video! As always very interesting to listen to you 🤔
But C&Rsenal can be very lengthy to listen to 😩because of his knowledge you manage to shorten it to 15 minutes 😉. Well done!
Less bla bla bla 😎
I wan't the knowledge but not every single detail 💤
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