What Went Wrong With Beast Machines Transformers - FTV (Forgotten Television)
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2021
- Spoilers for both Beast Wars and Beast Machines. After the ending of Beast Wars. Beast Machines fell to the way side. I look at what where the changes and issues with the sequel series. Its good elements and its confusing plot issues.
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Beast machines is underrated, they tried to explore some pretty deep philosophical concepts like the nature of free will, the dangers of extremism, and survivors guilt. It probably shouldn't have been on Saturday mornings. It really would have found a more receptive audience on a later afternoon or evening block like Toonami.
I agree. I'm admittedly not that fond of the first season, but I love the second. I actually didn't even know there was a sequel until the day I tuned into episode 16 Prometheus Unbound and looking back I came in at the right time. That and the remaining 10 episodes l thought were not far off from Beast Wars.
You are wrong!It was meant to be on Saturday morning's!
Honestly rhinox got done dirty in beast machines
I also missed the humor from beast wars and the lightheartedness
the problem is it's poised as a continuation of one of the best transformers series and is best viewed in isolation of it. I can't like it because of beast wars.
There are so many missteps to Beast Machines. The character designs were not only strange, but didn't even match the toys. Character arcs and plots never really got developed or explained like in Beast Wars (which the writers were instructed to ignore), and as a result, the series lack the very depth that Hasbro wanted in the series. I don't hate Beast Machines, but it wasn't the sequel Beast Wars deserved.
Especially seeing as how Beast Machines was a continuation of the story of Beast Wars, heck, Beast Machines started the same day Beast Wars ended, ignoring Beast Wars was definitely a mistake.
The weapon thing bothered me too. I read somewhere that since the show was on a new network they made them remove all “weapons” depicted from Beast Wars.
So stupid I feel like the weapons were an important part of transformers
I was surprised that you didn't mention the fact that Megatron, chained to the back of the Ark somehow has escaped, traveled to Cybertron ahead of everyone else, totally transformed the planet, switched some characters alignment all in time for the Ark's arrival. That bugged me right away. Lacking a ship, mind you.
I don't think it was ever explained, like a lot of the show's problems, but to me, it was mentioned in Beast Wars that transwarp is capable of traveling through space and time, in fact, that being how they arrived on prehistoric Earth. So Megatron breaking free maybe somehow arrived at Cybertron possibly months or even years ahead of the Maximals by fallout out of transwarp randomly? How he fell out of transwarp and survived to make it to Cybertron without a ship is more difficult to explain unless he was dumped out into normal space pretty much in orbit and somehow made his way to the surface.
Some people also take issue with the virus he somehow made and set loose on Cybertron and I thought that maybe it was something to do with the alien knowledge he gained during his time on prehistoric Earth, maybe as a result of his experiments developing transmetal II technology?
I don't know. My main problem is if the audience has to essentially write the show by filling in all this important information and plot points the writers have failed at something. Then again, it's my understanding that Beast Machines a very limited number of episodes which might explain why certain aspects of the show feel really rushed and contrived and can be a bit forgivable.
I know this is entirely unrelated but there's this absolutely hillarious commenter "Human Girl"
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At least Beast Machines has its fans, I guess-
Fans, plural?
@@mechanwhal6590 Yeah I'm surprised too-
Yes. I'm one of them 🙂
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She doesn't understand plurals, fool!
I remembered beast machines! But i never knew there was a season 2, and rhinox wanting to turning bad was a twist i didn't see coming
Well it depends on where you watched it. YTV in Canada didn't want to wait and got the full series in one shot. Fox Kids wanted to have a second season, which was subtitled "Battle For The Spark", which was also reflected in the toys with an added gimmick where pressing the spark crystal activated a special feature.
The animation budget was downgraded. They ruined Silverbolt & Rynox. And the rat went from a BIG GUN to a BIG tail.
I don't see Rynox ever betraying Prime...he was always the level headed one.
@@EnsignRedSquad Agreed. Insanity is one thing, but this is RHINOX we're talking about.
Personally, I'm biased on Beast Machines, but I really hated how they treated Rhinox, one of my favorite characters in Beast Wars, in this show. He doesn't even get a proper redemption.
The animation in Machines is 10x better than Wars.
Funnily enough Beast Machines was my first introduction to Transformers…. I really enjoyed it and had all the dvds for the show, even bought some of the toys that came with Beast machines, ah good times indeed, then I got introduced to G1 and REALLY got into transformers
I think the reason Beast Machines failed ultimately comes down to two problems:
1) It fundamentally misunderstood the Beast Wars characters. This was a major problem because the characters of Beast Wars were its greatest strength, and to try and continue their story meant staying true to those characters. Instead, it changed Megatron from an ambitious schemer who didn't care how he acquired power to a somewhat honorable bigot against organics, Rattrap into a self-conscious team player, and Optimus Primal into a militant guru.
2) Its ambition exceeded its grasp. It wanted to tackle deep philosophical issues, but it often fell back on empty platitudes or just didn't explain its reasoning at all. A great example is how it handled transforming in the early episodes. It implied this required some sort of spiritual centering of oneself, but never explained or demonstrated how the characters achieved that. It's frustrating because the show posited many interesting concepts, but rarely articulated them well or explored them as deeply as needed.
I believe the reason why BEAST MACHINES didn't connect with a lot of people is due to these reasons:
1: It embarks on the after-effects of war. Meaning after you go through traumatizing events, killings, etc. It will mold you into becoming something else. Which, in most cases depressed and mad at the world. That happened in the series, and everyone was too severely depressed. You don't showcase these dark elements in a kids' show, especially every episode. The show was too mature for its audience.
2: The organic robot forms. Many BEAST WARS fans like myself didn't like the organic look of the transformers. I understood what the writers were going for. I/e Making the transformations look more HUMANOID, which correlates with the organic spectrum. But at the same time, it felt a bit weird, and at times they were not good to look at. Not just that, because of the organic forms, the transformers have no weapons (i.e., tech/guns, etc.) except for the limited organic powers such as shock, flight, and beam powers.
That's the main reason why I hated them. Especially Ratrap. We had already done the whole thing of him learning how to drive. And than they do it over again, but worse. I get the reason. They had to pull a Samus. Reset her armor. But Samus doesn't suck in base form. She just has less resources. Ratrap can't even store bombs.
@@rangerreview1780 He had grenade's!
The main reason I didn't like Beast Machines was because it lacked aesthetic. The whole show was completely dependent on philosophical duality for every single one of its conflicts that I kept rolling my eyes in almost every episode. The writers tried way too hard to capitalize on the recent popularity of The Matrix at the time.
@@gunshotlagoon922 You are wrong!
@@humangirl2122 You're just jealous.
This was one of the first Transformers cartoons I watched as a kid.
The changes come down to management messing with the show. Dan DiDio, who was an executive at Mainframe at the time, told show creators Bob Skir and Marty Isenberg, as well as show bible writer Marv Wolfman, to ignore the previous series, including Beast Wars, and to make the show darker. As his run at DC Comics shows that's basically how he works. He hates continuity and prefers darker stories. So any additions from G1 and Beast Wars happened when they ran around that request. I remember Skir took most of the flack at the time because he was the one who took on the role of defending the series.
Also, the technorganic stuff was Hasbro's idea, as they were trying to keep the Transformers line fresh. The only influence they had was Nightscream, a Skir creation. My problem with him was that he is the same at the end of the show as he is at the start of the show and he's not very likable the whole time. I didn't hate the show and it's hardly the worse of the franchise, but it did have a lot of hurdles to overcome and it didn't always do that very well.
I agree with you. I loved Beast Wars, but when it became Beast Machines, the series lost me. I didn't enjoy it as much and I don't really remember finishing watching the series.
The hideous designs just really bothered me. Even waspinator looked better than everyone on the new maximals and vehicon. They took away Dragon megatron and Optimal Optimus.
They're abilities are just... Blugh... They took away their cool transmetal forms and abilities and replacing it with fugly designs. It was a let down.
They did characters silverbolt, rhinox and rattrap dirty.
I don't mind philosophy, dark themes and grit on a mech show. I watched Mobile suit gundam and other mecha anime. I don't mind that aspect on Beast machines.
I heard somewhere most of the voice actors for the series hated how their characters were changed. Garry chalk didn't like how optimus Primal became a "religious extremist".
THE DESIGN'S WERE NOT HIDEOUS! EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT THIS GREAT AND PERFECT SHOW IS WRONG!
It's best to try and forget that Beast Machines ever happened, and then try to imagine what happened to our beloved characters after Beast Wars instead.
That way, Rattrap doesn't become a pussy, Rhinox doesn't go insane, Silverbolt doesn't go emo and Primal doesn't turn into a hippy
EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS WRONG!
@@humangirl2122he’s right
@@TheTransformersFanChannel NO! HE'S NOT RIGHT!
@@humangirl2122 why are you telling this in all caps lmao and he is right
@@TheTransformersFanChannel I AM MAD THAT YOU ARE TORMENTING THIS GREAT AND HE IS NOT RIGHT YOU BASTARD!
Loving this channel. Excellent work!
Honestly, I thought Nite scream was originally a beast wars/beast machines version of rat bat. I actually thought his original name was rat bat. Wasn’t expecting his name to be night scream. That’s a nice twist beast machines.
"What Went Wrong With Beast Machines" - absolutely everything :P
Nothing went wrong with Beast Machines!
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in beast wras they had beast modes because of the energon build up. had nothing to do with organic crap. megatron had a powerful transmetal 2 autobot convergence of a body and the dragon mode was powerful. then all of a sudden he hates it? LOL
Beast Machines tried to take advantage of the recent popularity of The Matrix at the time and borrowed some of its themes, like philosophical questions regarding duality and free will, etc. in order to draw in new fans. Unfortunately this was the show's biggest downfall. As a result, everything was held hostage to those ideas, including the characters. In fact they no longer felt like actual characters, they were just talking heads made to accommodate the show's themes. Everyone turned into mere walking representations of certain metaphysical problems, which got very redundant and uninteresting fast. I really wanted to like Beast Machines but it will forever go down as a missed opportunity. Even if you removed all references to Beast Wars it would still be a disappointing show.
YOU ARE WRONG!
@@humangirl2122 I think you've been fantasizing about Silverbolt one too many times.
@@gunshotlagoon922 No,I have been protecting the honor of both Beast Machines and the Maximal's from cold-hearted fan's like you!
@@humangirl2122 It's okay to admit it. Some women get overemotional about cartoon characters. Congratulations you're one of them.
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I agree with the Metroid style downgrade being kind of a cheap move. Watching this when it came out it felt like they just erased all the power progression from Beast Wars. And honestly I didn't like the art style of the new forms , it just felt like a downgrade from how cool and different the older art was. Every type of change had a unique look to it, even between transmetal 1 & 2. And the constant trope of the planet being lifeless like some sort of poorly built "open world" game from the early 2000's didn't help either. I'm glad there were some elements that worked well, but even now after rewatching Beast Wars recently, I don't see myself trying this again.
I refuse to believe that Beast Machines is canon
It is canon!
@@humangirl2122 not canon
@@llawliet3639 It is canon!
@@humangirl2122 no
@@llawliet3639 Yes it is!
As an early teenager I loved Beast Wars, when Beast Machine came around, I hated the new direction they went for... Now as an adult I rewatched all 3 seasons of Beast Wars and loved it even more, I was able to understand the story and its details a lot clearer, I also decided to give Beast Machines another chance, I watched the first few episodes and said to myself, this new creative team must have been high on meth or something like that, I still don't get why would they change the series so drastically, plus the story wasn't making any sense just like is being explained on this video.
Agreed like what we’re they thinking like they changed the Og transmetal 1/2 designs from beast wars to these weird texture looking techno organic forms is that what they thought was cool is this what hasbro thought was cool
Beast wars was a favorite for me as a kid the cgi didnt age well but it was still fun to watch beast machines completely lost me though felt like they were just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks and that's how beast machines was made
I didn't like how Dinobot (my first favorite Transformers character) was killed twice in Beast Wars! Why did the writers had to kill him twice?!
That scene where the 3 faction leaders are sitting around a tiny table with a hanging light killed me. They're robots. Why are meeting face to face? Why do they need visible light?
I think it's both because Beast Machines and esp Beast Wars was never meant to be taken 100% seriously so they were kind poking fun at the cliche of "the shadowy figures plotting evil in dark room" thing. There were many little jokes like that throughout the series.
@@177SCmaro I hope so because I got a real screeching laugh
I remember growing up with beast wars, then the switch to beast machines. I was so disappointed.
Beast machines is depressing asf.
I dont know why. Beast Wars has full of color in it.
Beast machines ruined it by using automobiles as enemies.
Beast Machines didn't ruin anything!
this is where in my opinion the enire plot of the beas machines woud've been avoided if primal just had megatron executed on earth. i mean for sure executed meaning head blown off, body melted for scrap. clean up the ark, remove all maximal related stuff from the premises so hte autobots don't wake up and find future tech lying around that would again alter the timeline. then go home free and clear. lol
But then they would have to contend with the Tripredacus Council and Unicron.
@@calvinfujii5921 unicron is dead by the beast machine era.
the tripedacus council is nothing as it was shown by the beast era the predacons were basically the second class bots of cybertron under microscocpe surveillance of hte maximals.
@@joeswanson733 What about corrupt Maximals?
@@calvinfujii5921 if there were we didn't see them featured
@@joeswanson733 That could’ve been the overall plot for Beast Machines: the titular team of Maximals contending with the corruption that had been occurring while they were away. It would have the same tone as Beast Wars, but also retain some of the philosophical debates and lessons from Beast Machines canon.
Megatron 2 was corrupted by Megatron g1’s spark. Megatron’s hatred of organic life got pasted onto to Megatron 2. Primal got connected to the matrix and Primus through g1 Prime. since he wasn’t an official Prime until he was bought back from the well of sparks during Beast Machines, it drove him mad. Unfortunately all from supplementary material and interviews. The expanded transformation stuff would of been in the canned transtech sequel. I fully agree though with the other plot holes though. it’s clear they either didn’t care about the rest of the plot holes or were gonna answer them in trans tech
Wait. If G1 Meg is the reason for organic hate. Why would his spark even allow a organic beast mode to be created. And even allowed to be merged. Because BW Meg would be what he hates.
@@rangerreview1780 There was nothing wrong with Beast Machines!
@@humangirl2122
I'm twice the man you are!
@@melvinharris916 STOP IT RIGHT NOW!
Care to elaborate on where you found this info? And what do you mean by “expanded transformation?”
Everything went wrong.
Come out, come out wherever you are!!!
No it didn't
While I definitely prefer Beast Wars to Beast Machines, I do like and understand what they were going for in Beast Machines it was just often poorly implemented probably because the show was rushed. One of the things that bothers me to this day was the unnecessary "bait and switch" they pulled with Silverbolt. The kept showing Thrust had an instinctive tendency to save Blackarachnia that even he didn't understand setting up a rather charming "You loved and protected me even when you couldn't remember me or yourself" and pulled a switcharoo just for a cheap laugh at her expense by revealing that Thrust is actually Waspinator.
It was almost like the writers were like, "Oh, you're getting emotionally invested in these two characters possibly reconnecting despite all the horrible things done to them, well, psych, he was an ugly bug this whole time!"
And there was the sudden and not very well explained transformation of Rynox into basically another Megatron with virtually the same goals, a plot point they abruptly cut off with no climax.
Man, I LOVED Beast Wars as a kid, but season 3 was WAY to short and rushed. I was excited when Beast Machines was later announced but, whoo boy was I disappointed. I tried to like it but I didn't like direction it was going and stopped watching before season 2 hit. I know it's a subjective thing but I wasn't a fan of their new designs and I hated the meditation to transform mechanic as well as the pacifist monk Primal.
I think there's a series that could use some more love these days, the original Clone Wars from 2003. They were actually a series of short episodes that aired after other Cartoon Network shows, and were done by the creator of Samurai Jack (even down to the artstyle). Perhaps the best thing about them is how they handled General Grevious, allowing his bounty hunter personality to shine through and turning him into an actual credible threat.
Couldn't agree more. Everything about that show was amazing from the fights to the all the different characters. We got to see the War and other Jedi's fight and show how bad-ass they were. And the two fights that come to mind are Mace Windu and the Jedi with the dreadlocks. And General Grievous has never looked as good as he did in there. From his introductions and how he used fear and intimidation tactics to take down Jedi. And the way they tied it into the 3rd film at the end to show how Grevious got weaker was just perfect. That's definitely the best adaption of the Clone Wars that I've seen and yet they decided to make it not canon. Instead we got the 08 version. 😒
It was the techno organic plot. Cybertron was once organic? It breaks everry comic and cartoon that clearley states cybertron and the transformers are comepleteley mechanical and there are no traces of organics. I just like to think Megatron was arested on cybertron but escaped and led another rebellion or whatever and the beast and machine maximals fight his new army.
It would have more sense to me if was a reformatted Earth all along. But Megs took over both planets, Earth and Cybertron, anyway.
I do like the message of the series about extremism and the balance between technology and nature is good.
i just dont like the ending as far as im concerned cybertron is a mechanical planet and should not be organic at all makes no sense to me
Why Megatron hates the beast modes, you basically answered. Having to balance the animal and technological is pain especially if it can force you in beast mode, especially considering that Megatron was a dragon with no vehicle modes.
I also wondered if it wasn't a little deeper than that for Megatron. He's a megalomaniac, obviously, and so needed something to blame for his failures in the Beast Wars. While on Earth he frequently blamed his minions but after, with no one left but himself he turned to blaming his organic, animal part, the beast-flesh that contaminated his otherwise "perfect" self, and externalized this blame by trying to purge all organics from Cybertron, especially the Maximals. However, what Megatron never realized, much less could accept, was that the "beast" was himself, he IS a monster, it never had anything to do with his body having or not having organic parts.
He would twist other transformers very sparks, enslave, and even destroy an entire world just to feed his own deluded god-complex. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
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It is weird. I wondered if it might be a consequence or malfunction caused by his many failed attempts to purge organics from his body? Afterall, in Beast Wars there were situations were transformers ability to transform was manipulated. For example, when Tarantulas created a device that forced the maximals and Dinobot to transform into their beast mode and be locked in it.
Another weird thing with Megatron was that they made it a point to obscure his body every time he transformed back into robot mode and I could never figure out why the creators of the show did that especially when he was fully shown in robot mode in flashbacks.
I just finished watching the show, and I’ll admit: it is overhated a bit. Season 1 was personally my favorite, it felt more in-line with Beast wars, but overall I have many gripes with the show, the 2 main ones being:
1. Inconsistencies: either in story or characterization, this happened a lot. Especially in Season 2, I found myself asking “Wait, who do you guys know that?” or “Why are you acting like this if you had character progression?” Things were too inconsistent, and the new characterizations for old characters felt out of nowhere(mostly).
2. Designs: some like Primal, Botanica or Nightscream’s beast mode are ok or great, but to me most of the Maximals didn’t look techno-organic, just very weird animals. I wish they had more metal-looking parts in both forms, plus some design changes to their robot mode(especially Silverbolt). Vehicons were great in design.
imagine wfc kingdoms erased beast machines timeline meaning beast wars megatron never ruled cybertron I know it has nothing to do with any continuity
That would be terrible!
Off topic but I know that you're a fan of Gundam and Ultraman. I've been thinking of starting to watch both series. It's just I don't where to start. Which Ultraman series is great for beginners like me? And which Gundam series should I start with first?
The original Ultraman is a good start if you like classic Tokusatsu. Ultraseven is a good one if you want a slightly more adult series.
Tiga and Cosmos are also decent starting points.
For Ultraman, I would start with the first one. I think it can be found online. If you don't care about what happened before, I would also recommend Tiga, Mebius, Ginga, Geed, Z, and any of the Zero movies.
Gundam is a wee bit harder since its continuity is much more vast. If you want to start simple, watch the the first Gundam anime. If you're looking for something a bit different, try G Gundam or Gundam SEED. G Gundam in particular was my introduction to the series, and while it's not the most well-liked entry in the franchise, I personally really liked it. Plus, I'm a sucker for battle royale-esque anime.
I'd also suggest taking a look at Kamen Rider and Super Sentai if you're interested.
Great job! As a die hard Beast Wars fan, all I can say is that I do not accept Beast Machines as canon. They should continue Beast Wars on Earth. Beast Wars does not work exclusively away from Earth. I would be happy if they soft rebooted with the team going back to Cybertron with Megatron as their prisoner and being forced to travel back and undo something Megatron did or concerns the Vok. Back to the Future Part II this sucker, revisit the old series updated and add a new twist for new viewers. Base it on nostalgia. Give the viewers what we want, to feel that feeling again.
You should accept this as canon!
I don't care what is or is not canon and makup my owne stories. My idia of after beast wars is Megatron did not escape the shuttle and he was turned over to cybertron oficials when they arived on cybetron. He escapes prison and leads a new armey for congquest leading the maximals to fight back. I imagine the beast maximals would keep thier transmetal forms. Rinox being the oneley one who did not become transmetal would likeley upgrade himselfe and maby Silverbolf but I imagine the beast and machine maximals would join against Megatron. Megatron did create the raptor drones on earth so he could easily create new drones to boost his army while recruting predicons.
Wonder if you covered the dinosaurs tv show from the 90s. Just came out on Disney plus a week ago
sad it got so much hate, it had problems but was fun had good ideas
just letting you know beast machines was never intended to be a sequel. it was meant to be it's own self contained story, within it's own setting. but hasbro forced mainframe to change it to a continuation of beast wars at the last second. what i'm trying to get at here, is that it's really unfair to criticize it as a sequel. when the writers did not even intend or want it to be a sequel
The writer's are wrong!
If idw comic should handle Beast Machine stories
I really should check out Beast Wars at some point. Shame Beast Machines didn't do as well as its predecessor, though. Also, maybe you could have a look at Sym-Bionic Titan at some point.
I’d love to colab with you for a episode on my channel
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Yeah, it would be cool to see you review the other America tokusatsu shows that were never as popular as Power Rangers, lol.
Do "What Went Wrong With" Transformers Energon.
Can you do Transformers Robots In Disguise 2001 please?
honestly I tried to like beast machines but imo it was just so inferior compared to beast wars, and I get things happen with budget and writers etc but my god.. 🤮
I wouldn't say beast machines was forgotten....
(IT WAS SO FORGETTBLE IT WAS KNOWN TO BE FORGOTTEN AND WISH TO NOT BE SPOKEN- )
i myself didn't mind the show, i felt it was a bit weird for my taste of organic cybertronian instead of more robotic.
No it was not forgettable!
so what do you think about Beast wars 2 & neo?
I never watched either one.
Review Mummies Alive Please?
I loved beast wars but this follow up was so despoting.
Beast Machines was to Beast Wars what Spiderman Unlimted was to Spiderman TAS
I would like to see the Ranger review UA-cam channel cover some transformers shows in the future, like the unicron trilogy, hint hint
Well, I think they were pretty popular for their time despite their missteps. Armada, Energon and Cybertron aired reliably on Cartoon Network. And Cybertron did prove popular enough to have reruns for at least a couple of years.
What didn't go wrong?
. The Maximals hideous techno-organic bodies
. How the Maximals transformed
. The plot not making sense to after he beast wars
. Noble the completely organic transformer
. Fighting between the organic and the technological
. How the hell Waspinator got back to Cybertron
. The series being so much more serious and darker than beast wars
When the Maximals got back to Cybertron they ran instead of fighting Megatron's Vehicons. His transformation virus gas only deactivated Silverbolt and Rhinox but since Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Rattrap had transmetal bodies instead of being deactivated they devolved back into their first beast modes which they were stuck in. If they wanted to survive they had to let the Oracle reformat them but it turned them into techno organics. With how hideous they became if I was one of them I would've picked permanent deactivation
The Maximal's techno-organic bodies were not hideous!
@@humangirl2122I don’t really like most of them lol.
@@TFmotion07 This not something to laugh about!
@@humangirl2122 Wdym? I’m just stating my opinion. I’m perfectly fine with that yours is that they’re good. I just personally don’t really like them
Beast Machines was so good because it was so different. Remember different does not equal bad.
If you go 180 from aspects of a property or personalities. It can be bad.
@@rangerreview1780 It is not bad and also block the user L Lawliet!
Lol "leftfield" .... i see what you did there
A series I have just thought about Mutant X.
Megatron couldn't change his alt mode, because Cryotech aka his mentor was related to this problem
Who?
That was never mentioned in the show though. That was a retcon introduced by later media to justify this show's inconsistencies.
Do what went wrong
With Bay verse transformers?😅
So Primal became a monk-e?
I'm not apologising
No need to
He’s already messed up as is
Nor should you, that was a great pun
@@michelcoolguy1701 No he's not!
Megatron reformat Cybertron, the planet himself
Idk? I feel like that beast machines used to be boring to watch as a kid.
It's not exactly a child friendly show. It was super complex and tragic in a lot of ways especially the death of Rhynox and the forgiving of Optimus. It was crazy stuff to show children..
In the Wings universe cheetor becomes alpha trizer and is the embodiment of knowledge and wisdom on the planet post that continuitys spark war.
Actually uh... Megatron could do exactly what you said. But in the show he explained that this would leave his spark vulnerable.
It was a fever dream. Period. lol
My idia was the maximals made it to cybertron and handed over Megatron to authorities. The maximals who have growne acustomed to thier beast side stick with thier beast alt modds and transmettel forms Rhinox being the oneley one to change his alt mode or uprade in someway. Maby the maximals ( the race as a hole not just those who wer on earth)begin to develop cybertronian beast modes or something. Megatron escapes and with some rebell predicons and drones leads another atempt at congquest. Primal asembles a team of new and old maximals to counter the threat.
Cybertron is Primus
Megatron destroyed Cybertron
What DIDN'T go wrong? Higher ups mettled with the story and script and made ridiculous demands. Even the writer stated nothing made sense. HE hated nightscream. (So did the audience) The CGI? Was a downgrade. When I saw Beast Machines I thought it was a poor quality Knock off. Honestly? Hasbro mettled and totally ruined what they had. A more interesting concept would have been exploring the Transmetal Animal's on Cybertron, seeing the wave as this upcoming thing and a battle to prepare or get the planet out of the wave.
Hell they could have had the ship caught by the Transwarp wave or whatever on route and it causing a crash land on another cybertronian world. Then it would be them trying to help an outpost already in their own conflict and the reaction with it. Allows expanded characters... Lots of potential. What we got was... Something so bad it looked like a mockery.
And plant transformers? That was up there un peak fucking stupidity.
I know this video is old but Savage/Noble wasn't actually Megatron. There was a comic that explained that he was a fully organic transformer. Basically when Megatron returned home before the Maximals he conducted experiments on both Maximals and Predacons. He ended up making organic transformers their sparks were extinguished but yeah Savage/Noble was kept as a prisoner in the citadel
Then how did his spark get in Nobel? Why did he say, "I split myself from my organic bits, but I stayed in thd organic bits"?
@@michaeliv284 again Savage/Noble was a Transformer Megs experimented on. They still had functioning spark chamber so after surviving the plasma energy chamber Megs moved his Spark to the only thing that could save him the one thing he hated but was in the citadel. Sure he could've used a vehacon drone but he knew he needed to fool the Maximals
Megatron is evil
I'd have to rewatch the series again but the main character doesn't always have to be the focus of the show. Sometimes using the character sparingly only makes the character that much better. I look back at DBZ and how for the most part characters like Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo and Vegeta were the main focus of the show and got the most development. Goku would be absence for most of the saga and his absence would only heightened his character and the anticipation of him showing up. But then again DBZ operated on a long narrative while Beast Wars was more episodic.
Beast Wars fans were expecting more humor targeted toward 10-12 year olds. What they got instead was a deeper more philosophical show. This was beyond their maturity level and the show failed. While this is regrettable, BM provided a grownup and satisfying conclusion to G1.
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@@bionicleaddict - Not sure why you're harassing me, but feel free to be wrong. Cheers.
Ok i will
It's the best tf show
Yes it is!
Beast Machines is canon!
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Yeah, Beast Machines, along with its predecessor, Beast Wars, were two of the worst Transformers cartoons ever made because they suffered from bad CGI animation and design. Even the toylines were beter than the actual shows.
it was one of the first shows to use animation and it was made with 90s computers lol
Damn, this is like the worst taste of all time.
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OH YES IT WAS!
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