Applying MILORGANITE - at "Half Rate" - Does It Work?
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2023
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Here where I live, you are only supposed to apply Milorganite 2x per year and when you do, you are supposed to use a "half rate" which means 32lbs only covers 5,200 sq ft rather than 2,500.
This is because Milo contains phosphorous, and in Florida, we have higher phos in our soils naturally, and in addition, the state of Florida believes that runoff can occur with heavier rates sitting in the lawn.
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Does LCN still use Milorganite? Yes, 2x per year. Memorial Day and Labor Day and I use the half rate suggested on the bag. My lawn is always green and it stays green when I apply Milo. However, as you can see in this video, the .36lbs/N that you get isn't enough to fully jumpstart a lawn that has not been fertilized in a long time.
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On the right hand side of the plastic stopper, there looked to be a little tab to line up with the numbers. If you adjust that does it make more sense on the 15 being half way? It looks like at minute marker 7:01 you were past the 30 mark.
This guy always read my mind. Was just about to apply milo to the lawn and this shows up.
Love it that your loving on your neighbor. I love milorganite as well.
Help my aunt out and she's like "wow, look how the rain greened up my grass"
"Milo" was what I used in the beginning when I was getting serious about my lawn after building my house.....BOI OH BOI was that just the tip if the iceberg lol...."Milo" was rabid hole I jumped into and ive loved it here ever since. Thanks to you Allen.
Did a light (less than 1/2) application in may, yard looks awesome!
Maybe I'm nuts, but 15 looked like half to me lol. Great content as always brother! You keep tempting me with that E Go edger. I been eyeing it for awhile.
Twice a year 😮 I'm new to this lawn stuff. I already laid it 3 times in 2 months 😮..
You can never go wrong with Milo. Great video as always.
You can go wrong with Milo. Allow the soil tests to determine what and when to put on the lawn. I live about 5 minutes away from Allyn and would never use Milo, but not because it bad. We have very high phosphorous sandy soil so the extra P is not needed. The potassium in the soil is non-existent, so adding some makes for a healthier lawn. Allyn wasted his or his neighbor's money.
You finally solved the fertilizer spreader that has always boggled my mind…..
‘Starting Point’
I can feel better now cranking the number higher
Hey LNC, just a Jen Psaki circle back. In this video you were talking about spreader setting. I remember one of your previous videos where you shown the product pareil size to help on setting a spreader. Various products have different pareil size. And is important to settings as well. That was helpful information, for accuracy with various spreader brands to.
I could not find pareil in my dictionary.
Please tell me the meaning of this word.
Do you mean prill?
LOVE my Ego edger-attachment! Best in the biz!
I did nearly a full dose on my bahiiiiaaaaagggrrrrraassss and it didn’t do a ton. Then I hit the lawn with 002 microgreen and it started growing awesome and thickening back up!!! It even started growing again on my drip edges where it was struggling. 002 microgreen is my favorite soil activator. Now my lawn is real thick and dark green again.
My lawn isn’t perfect but looks pretty darn good.
I roll out 1/4 inch of organic compost twice a year.
No worries about runoff into rivers and lakes.
Earthway provides a table of how much coverage you can do per setting based on the size of your fertilizer bag and pellet size. It is a really good tool and starting point.
The Earthway is very good with very small prills.
I wish Milorganite was half the price like it used to be during the green screen days…
I ve stopped using it bc of just that, the price!
@@madebeen if it wasn’t for someone yelling “thrower down and hope for the best!” We’d still be buying it for $8-10 a bag! Damn you Allyn!!🤣
Yeah, Milorganite priced themselves out of my rotation of products.
Good stuff, but I have put my money elsewhere.
@@stever7638agreed. Since you have to use so damn much it’s actually more expensive per application than it used to be
In milwaukee where the product made I'm still catching it for $7-10 bucks
I have to admit... I saw this and had to watch this because of the milo... I miss those days Al.
So complicated, here is the easy way to figure fert rates.
Let's use a fert with 20% nitrogen. I don't care what the bag weight is, does not matter. Divide the 20 into 100, 100/20=5. In this case, 5 lbs. of this particular fertilizer per 1000 square feet will give you one lb. of nitrogen per 1000 square feet.
Now, if you want a half pound per 1000 square feet, just divide the number in half. 5/2=2.5. In this case you would apply 2.5 lbs. of this product per 1000 square feet to get 1/2 lb. of nitrogen per 1000 square feet.
You only want 1/3 of a pound? 5/3=1.66 lbs. per 1000 square feet will get you 1/3 of a pound of nitrogen.
Hope that helps!
Totally agree with this, and it's the approach I use. I generally want 1 lb of N on the ground, so the above is how I calculate how many lbs of fert I need to put down per 1000 sq ft of lawn. Bag rate is meaningless. All about the % of N in the product, and how many lbs of N you want on the ground.
When you yelled "THROW 'ER DOWN!" you scared the crap out of me lol
ha ha!!
We didn’t see huge improvements with the Milo but the yard didn’t lose ground either so that’s something.
Me: I am glad I cleaned up those overgrown edges.
Mole squatting on my property: I am about to mess his day up! 😂
Great video!
That montage at 9:30 went hard af
You were right! A few videos ago I asked, what did I need to do to see my St Augustine thick and strong. You said patience…. Lol. I got some of your Flagship, and had lots of leftover of your micro nutrients and this Florida rain…. I’m dominating the entire neighborhood. The past 2 months I was cutting my grass high, and was cutting almost every 3 days, today I cut it low, and it’s looking very strong. I still have some crabgrass in there, but it blends in well. My neighbors crabgrass on my left and the neighbors kyllinga on my right are killing me……. Thanks for the help!
YES! Smell the Success!!
I'm a mom and thanks to you I'm dominating my street. I always have with mistakes along the way but since I've followed your advice I'm bad ass. I used the hydretain, RSG & dawn mixtures June 16 and dawn again last week. Can I add the Milorganite to my tall fescue now, here in missouri?
Hi @thelawncarenut , i just watched Taylor Rays part 2 of his backyard renovation series... I think we could use some of your expertise over in Orlando :D
I DM'd him on Insta and left a comment on his last video, we have just not been able to connect as of yet.
4th of July is coming up. I’m doing the Double Dark Plus now.
I'm new to lawn care and about to overseed this fall, I'll be core aerating my lawn, and planning to use milorganite. But I just want to make sure if granular fertilizer is best to use rather than a liquid fertilizer for overseeding
That’s why you throw it heavy 😂❤
Front back 2 bags ❤
I'm in the Houston area and I've been putting down Milorganite at 0.5lb of N per 1,000 every two weeks and my results are outstanding. Deep deep green color.
Just a tip to save you tons of money, if you buy a 33-0-4, at 60 a bag you will get the same rate as Milorganite with less that a quarter bag. I love the stuff but when you really break the math down it's the most expensive fert on the market
@@lsumaniac2485 oh, I definitely agree. I don't exclusively use Milorganite. I actually started the season dissolving urea and spraying it. I like to start using Milorganite when it gets extremely hot like right now. I'm also using the white 50lb bag because the prills are super small and since I use a reel mower on my Bermuda, it helps to get down below the grass canopy. It's tough to find a synthetic fertilizer with tiny prills that won't just sit on top of my grass and sometimes burn it a bit.
Hello , I just purchased your summer stress dry lawn product. It’s the first week of July and very hot and dry in New York. I water almost daily . I have already applied dry and liquid fungicide and your summer stress formula. Can I apply my normal rate of Milorganite for the summer , or should I skip it ? Thanks from a loyal follower …
Here on the other side of the country, we set out spreaders to 'open' and throw r down ;)
My FL strategy is to use Milo+Stress blend for first(spring) and last(fall) ferts, With higher nitrogen ferts during the summer growing season, easing into and out of warm season growth. Of course bio-stims throughout. Is this a good strategy?
I remember when I got blocked for talking about 13-13-13 all purpose. Ahh, the good old days when LCN was a homeowner and not a salesman.
At least he’s entertaining…. The Lawn Tools don’t even entertain anymore. Their videos are just straight up advertisements now…
Alyn has never shied from saying that he wanted to find a way to make a living. But he’s also helped a lot of people get started with basic lawn care. Nothing wrong with that.
This is youtube! are you paying attention? Everyone is doing this and good for them. How about you see if you can start your own business on the internet and become successful!!!. I love this chanel and support it by buying some of the things Allen the salesman sells.
woops sorry. Alyn
They are all just sold out brand pushers .... no more quality content and those that say these guy have great content are just riding the meat stick ...
My wife was walking by and said really (referring to the calculations)....just throw it out there. Haha
ha ha!! she's a good one!!! 😂
I used double the rate in Florida one season. St Aug needs to eat and Milo just isn't cost effective or efficient to use. I did use as one of palm ferts before the price got ridiculous. At 10-12 a bag it was a nice supplement. Now at 20-30 it's out of consideration
Milo isn’t cost effective anymore because you have to use so damn much
I bought the Earthway 2050 several years ago, however that wing nut would never hold the stopper in place. It would vibrate loose no matter how hard I tightened it and would dump the entire product at full bore. I went back to my simple Scott’s.
Thank you for pointing that out. I've only used it a few times and have not experienced that but I will keep an eye on it knowing it could happen.
I guess they make it cover more square footage for Florida, is because of the Phosphorus ban. I wonder if the state wouldn't let them sell it otherwise.
that is exactly correct - it is due to the higher phos. We already have an abundance of phos in our soil so pretty much any fert with phos is limited, not just MILO.
My biggest problem is carpet grass. It keeps coming back. How can I keep it from coming back?
What was the hand held one you used it looks like it worked nice . And where to buy it.
Question for you sir, would you happen to know where I could find 3/4 x 12 cutoff risers?
You the MAN.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
Do you anticipate more states instituting fert bans or stricter limits per season? Thanks for the tips. Only The LCN can make math fun or at least not so dull I wanna put my head in the oven!
Is it okay to apply a couple days before a forecast of four straight days of nonstop rain (Ohio).
Thanks
Do you water the lawn right after you throw this or at? What time app do you throw this? Do you water your lawn?
Allen you grossed n e out when you grabbed it with your bare hands as ND smelled it. I use gloves and still smelling the rest of the day!😂
You no likey processed Milwaukee sludge odor?
Milo is no longer apart of my program - id need 18 bags for one application - LOL. 45,000 Sq Ft of Grass. Im sticking to the 3 bags of YM Per app. :)
I do 3/4 bag rate every couple weeks
I see there is a pointer on the right side of the slide with the wing nut, is that where your supposed to set it for correct setting?
Was the tire flat on the mower at the end of the video?
Greetings from Milorganite country!
Up here in Wiscaaaansin!
I trooow a couple treeeee bags down every month! And we are spoiled with $8 dollar a bag at da farm Co-op too!
I have also used Milorganite to spread
Insect control ; Grub Ex, Sevin, or a Spectrun Bifenrhrin product to get it to cover the easier! Almost impossible to spread otherwise. Seeding lawn too, grass seed doesn't like going threw the spreader and weighted down with Milwaukees finest gets the seed flying better for me!
PLEASE TELL US about the new herbicide Recognition that treats BERMUDA in st augustine and zoysia
I've not heard of it. I'll have to do some research.
I just bought a house and the lawn they gave me was Bermuda and they didn't lay it down right and in between blades of grass I have dead grass roots and not sure what to do. I live in Davenport Florida. Should I add more dirt to the grass. Wish I could send you a pick. I put down some 6.4.0 last week and I see a different but I still have the dead roots
Could you adjust that cable?
Better register the brace on that hand crank spreader.
Dude out there with an assault spreader laying down 1000 square feet of high caliber nitrogen per second.
His neighbors didn't stand a chance.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
A few extra steps behind the fertilizer spreader ain't going to hurt.
Here in Birmingham I’ve had to apply heavier to get the results I want as well. I hate it when there’s not an EVEN result, though. Any suggestions on getting a good, even distribution? Love your channel!
I get the best by doing double bag rate. Set the spreader to what ever the bag says or do the math if not listed. Then one app across the lawn. Then do it a second time across the yard perpendicular to the previous pass. Barring soil issues, nice even, dark green lawn. Usually do this in spring and fall. Single passes in the months inbetween. A couple of those will be synthetic fert to get some other nutrients missing from milo.
@@cbremer83 Is there a temperature that’s too hot to apply this?
@@Christina-oq4td not really, with milo. Organics work differently than synthetics. Living critters in the lawn break the milo down. Synthetic is more direct and typically only works after being watered in. That directness is part of the reason it can burn the lawn if too much is applied or if too hot.
@@Christina-oq4td if the lawn is going dormant from heat, milo wont fix that. Watering may help, but depending grass type and temp, there may be little that you can do in hot weather.
@@Christina-oq4td Nope...not with Milorganite (or Sunniland...Florida's version of Milo).
Was the 15 setting that you used, end up being the half rate (2 passes)?
I just put some down with epsom salt and my lawn was ugly. Now it perked up and turned green within a few hours if you can believe that. It was over fertilized I believe so the epsom helped neutralize it
I can almost smell the milo through my phone! Definitely smells like success!
shoot…I do 1 bag per 2000/2200 sq ft on my Bermuda I use liquid fert now and a few apps of granulated milo has priced itself out of me using it not enough impact or Nitro for that kind of $
Ok I put Milo down for the first time, now I have brown stems w: white buds all over the place . Now what do I do?
Allyn, Have you thought (or may have already done) creating easy to use calculators by chance? to find X, use this calc. to find Lbs, use this calc.... Just a thought.
we do have a fert calculator in the app and it's free - search "yard mastery" in the app stores
Or just learn how to math
@@robertlevy4613 I handle my usage/ calculations pretty well. I brought it up for others that may struggle.
Im relatively new to this level of lawn care. I find using the spreader for apps that differ from the standard recommended app rate on the bag too difficult. Of course the tendency is to set the drop holes in the spreader smaller than wider so you end up doing maybe 3 or four passes. Wouldn't a liquid app be easier and more accurate?
Thats how I do it if I have never used a product before. Set the spreader with a lower application rate and do 2 or 3 passes. I note the setting and next time make a bit bigger or smaller. Trial and error.
@@faamecanic1970 true. You could play around with a certain lbs of fert/1000 and note the spreader setting that seemed to work but if you change the rate then you have to start from scratch again.
If you have a backpack sprayer liquid is a great option
Liquid is great but it comes with its own confusion in calibrating the sprayer. Gotta get the correct amount of liquid down on the correct size area. The more you do either the better you will get. Keep at it.
How does Milo compare with Bio-Nite which is in the Yard Mastery Fert?
Hello from Milwaukee, enjoy the product of my waste.
It’s interesting how consumers use Miloganite for lawns. Farmers have used it for decades, as a deer deterrent for commercial growing fruits and vegetables. Deer don’t like the smell of it.
Blood meal does the same thing
Use in between my flagship and freedom mid year then after my stress blend before fall keeps dark green most of they all keep me a nice darker green
Its time for that Milo application to get ready for the 4th. Dominate the neighborhood for independence day.
My lawn have so many small frogs how can eliminate
1 full red solo cup of Milorganite is a pound
My comment is not related to this video at all, but I live in northern IL. WE FINALLY HAVE RAIN!!!!!
that's good to hear! You guys have been in a VERY early record drought. Super weird.
@@ThelawncarenutWe had our first spell of 90° in mid May. Super early. Past two weeks have been another 90° without rain for a month. Had a very good downpour last night and this afternoon. Cooler temps on the forecast this week.
Milorganite prices are crazy..ill purchase a local company Sunniland..or even better Yard Mastery
Any other competition for Milo?
What is the other 90% of Milorganite. Anybody know?
Hey Al, how come in Fl the one bag covers 5200 sf but in another state it’s only 2500 sf?
They do lighter applications of fert in Florida to prevent excess runoff in the waterways. I'm guessing the heavy rains wash the fert into the waterways.
@@masonotberg3948 thanks!
What is a fertilizer blackout?
Certain counties in Florida near the coast have bans on Fertilzing in the summer to help prevent Red Tide in the ocean and waterways
Can I apply this on st.Augustine in 100 degree weather in Texas 😳 I’m so new to this lawn thing
You can, but you don't want to. I live in Dallas, and have St Aug. You want an application of fertilizer at the beginning of June, and then...nothing else through at least mid-september. Reason is- nitrogen drives the bus, and promotes growth. However...in the dog days of summer, when it's 100, the lawn doesn't want to grow- it wants to go into conservation mode. But by giving it fert, you're encouraging it to do something it doesn't want to do. 2nd- a lot of nitrogen during hot days encourages fungus (gray leaf spot). And hence...why Neil Sperry recommends no fert during the summer (if you don't know who Neil is, google for his website. He's the king of Texas gardening)
@@davidhurwich8941 hi thank you for advice 🙏🏽 i’m new to this lawn thing and have no idea what i’m doing lol. do you have any advice on crabgrass? my lawn has a few of them and i added pre-emergent weed and feed around mid march doesn’t seem to work
Filmed May 4th my birthday lol
My neighbor just put in some new Bahia lawn and I was just wondering what do use on that type of lawn to get rid of the weeds lawns located is Bradenton Florida
Bahia is a weed I would use round u0 on it and put down a empire zoysia lawn down in its place
Selective, post emergent weed control is like raking leaves in the wind. You usually get nowhere. Even if you manage to get rid of some weeds, more are sure to follow.
@@richardgleason5953 you have to follow up the weed control with a really good pre emergent and then feed the soil not the grass if you can find a aquarium store near you or fish hobby group the absolute best fertilizer on the planet is used aquarium carbon set it out let it air dry put it in a broadcast spreader and lay it down as much as you can get your hands on I also throw in coffee grounds
I see 32 pound bags of Milorganite for $16, way up in price, and I see bags for around $27+. What am I missing here?
Milo worked great on CB st Augustine at the rate on Scott’s spreader. But I don’t like the spreader. Lolm
As far as im concerned it's stupidly expensive these days given what else is available and what it contains. Ive been using an Andersons product this year that I love now. It's got tiny granules and goes down great. I have been doing 6lbs of humichar and fert apps every 6 weeks. About 2/3 a lb of N.
You're correct. I live about 5 minutes away from Allyn and our very sandy soil is extremely high in phosphorous. Never used Milo and never will. Too expensive and there are other alternatives that will do the job just fine. Allow the soil test results to determine what to put on the lawn, not just because lots of people use Milo. Allyn either wasted his or his neighbor's money.
I agree that Milo will cost you as much as paying a lawn service. This is my recipe; triple 12 and any lawn fertilizer mixed 50/50 and I get good results as it gives me something around 20-8-10 depending upon the products. A light app of Milo just gives me an iron pop but spread at one bag per 15K.
Back years ago we would figure Milo at 16 lbs plus or minus for 1 lbs actual nitrogen 6 divided by 100.
I stopped buying Milorganite. It cost $26 a bag now. It used to be $12-13.
It’s crazy how expensive it is now. Once I used up my current supply I’m done with it
we don't need milo, we got yard mastery with bio nite built into every app! all in one solution.
I’m not sure I understand. There is a regular rate and then Florida rate. The amount of nitrogen does not remain the same 6% wouldn’t it be about 3% because of the different rate. For example if a regular beer was given it would have so much effect on a 100lb person but when administered to a 200lb man in Florida it’s not the same alcohol per lb distributed because the surface area is greater. Maybe, I’m just dumb.
Tried it and wasn’t impressed with the results, went back to Richlawn fertilizer which is Chicken poop and rotate it with Scott’s. I have the greenest lawn on my street (Denver)
Also, live in Colorado, and as far as I know, Richlawn is only available here. I also prefer it, but it contains more iron.
I miss when Milo was like $11 a bag, I looked at the price today and cried
Milorganite found a way to get rid of Milwaukee sewage. It’s expensive shit. Pardon my French.
The LCN IS GOOD AT CUTTING PALM TREES
Your neighborhood looking the Villages ... lol
every neighborhood here looks like that lol - everyone from NY is here now. 😂
@@Thelawncarenut I'm in NC and I'll be in the Villages to see my in-laws at the end of July.
I've used 504lbs of Milo on 30k. CORAN, a liquid, is18/3/6 with .5% iron. Ya need a sprayer.
Alan, can I share a pic of a rhizome weed with you to i d?
Milo isn’t cost effective to use. It’s getting close to $30 a bag in my neck of the woods. It just doesn’t give me a good enough ROI.
Oh Allyn, that's an arm brace, not a stock. We don't want the ATF coming after ya
Hope you got your tax stamp for that brace cause you got yourself an SBR spreader now!
Now, that is FUNNY!
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Alan I'm going to lay down my nitrogen in the morning
Guy expecting us to be mathematicians! Just set your spreader to the number stated on the bag and have at it!