Do all living things have free will? Or are they controlled by DNA and other forces?
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How low in complexity can you go and still have free will. Does a bacteria have free will? Do single cells have it? What do we know about agency in living systems? I collaborated with physicist and author Philip Ball, a former editor at the prestigious journal Nature. who has written extensively on this and other subjects.
What’s the difference between a living thing and one that’s not alive? Scientists don't agree. But we can say living organisms do things to suit themselves. They rearrange their surroundings for their own purposes.
Even single living cells act with agendas. Macrophages in your immune system chase a bacterium across the slide, switching course as its prey tries to escape, before finally gobbling it up.
But is this an anthropomorphic way of describing a biological process. Single cells don’t have minds of their own - so can they really have goals?
Biologists often insist that cells and bacteria aren’t trying to do anything. it all comes down to genes, chemistry and physics - no aim or design, but which fool our narrative-obsessed minds.
This is "agency" - the ability of living things to alter their environment (and themselves) with purpose, and an agenda. It might help us to understand what “free will” means. Agency supplies what genetic hard-wiring cannot. It’s not feasible to program complex living organisms for every situation they might encounter. For example, the hare is trying to escape from a wolf by being unpredictable. An organism that reacts differently in identical situations stands a better chance of outwitting predators.
The choices we humans make might be carefully deliberated: we contemplate the imagined future scenarios if we do this or that, involving our internal mental models of how the world works and of our position within it. This is what we experience as free will. But this is far from free because of the influence of memories, emotions, social conditioning, and physics.
Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell imagined a very simple scheme for how an agent could achieve a different outcome from the one the world would otherwise produce spontaneously. He imagined an ingenious demon that operates a door to sift “hot” from “cold” particles in a gas confined within a box.
The second law says this segregation of hot and cold should never happen of its own accord. But the demon does this by agency - gathering and acting information. But any real memory will eventually fill up - so the memory has to be wiped every to make room for new information. That erasure produces entropy. So all the entropy lost by separating hot from cold is recouped by clearing the demon’s memory.
Complex-systems theorist Stuart Kauffman and philosopher Philip Clayton, say we need a theory of organization. That doesn’t really exist yet.
In 2012 Susanne Still of the University of Hawaii, working with Gavin Crooks of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California and others, showed that any entity with a goal - like a cell, an animal, or even a tiny demon - needs to have a memory if it is to work efficiently without wasting energy. They found that energy efficiency depends on an ability to focus only on the information that is most useful. Efficient agents are discerning ones.
You don’t necessarily need a big brain to do it, but just the right rules. Sometimes Maxwell’s demon can work best by taking a gamble on when to open and close the trapdoor, rather than responding to every individual molecule.
#freewill
#agency
If we want to explain why a volcanic rock is at a particular location, we can tell a causal story in terms of simple mechanics, devoid of any goal. But if we want to explain why a bird’s nest is in a particular location, the explanation can’t be complete without invoking the bird’s purpose in building the nest. Agents are real causes of things that happen in the universe.
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I had no choice but to give this video a like.
The well presented and understandable explanation made me like the video
@@sagarshrestha5800 proof we do not have free will? :D
@@DeconvertedMan We have choice (that is 50/50) but our bias extinguish the free will.
@@sagarshrestha5800 oh well!
You have no choice except to believe in free will.
Very few people have free will. I haven't had free will since I met my wife.
lol.
Lol.
@@ArvinAsh
Please make a video to explain this:
Why are all the Galaxies 2D in spatial structures, i.e. elliptical, irregular 2D structures etc.?
Why are the Galaxies NOT 3D in spatial structures, such as oval, sphere or something else of 3D structure?
Similarly, Solar systems are also approximately around 2D in spatial flat shape, but not having 3D spatial structures. Why so?
@Syed Zaeem Ali Mohsin If all the stars in a spherical or oval galaxy move around the galaxy's center in the same direction, then spherical shape would not cause chaotic collissions. Right?
@Syed Zaeem Ali Mohsin Thanks a lot. 😀
The more unnecessary information we have, the more inefficient our actions are as agents. So a world with vast quantities of accessible irrelevant information is a double edged sword.
I don't believe there is unnessary information. Its funny to watch people who has build in this rule to separate right away if information is important, see them strugle to fit every piece of information in to their life bubble. You can't know it. Finding years later use for some piece of irrelevant information brings so much joy.
What would qualify as unnecceary information to you?
@@lass7212 there is certain information that known has the capacity to terminate from existence, at the same time certain information can uplift your Mind and Consciousness. Anything that doesn't mature your Mind/Consciousness could qualify to unnecessary information. Any data that gives the access to touch the boundary of Consciousness I would prefer as necessary info.
@@shrik3090 Yea but just because it's unnecessary to me doesn't make it unnecessary to everyone.
@@lass7212 yeah... both subjective and objective arguments its a separate debate altogether.
What the Ball guy says at the very beginning makes me think about something I've wondered about since I was a little kid - something like, at what point did the living and non-living separate? How and when did life first happen? Or were they always separate? This video is super interesting - more things I've wondered about but couldn't really find the right words for it. And damn, if all or most of our cells have "agency", that might go a long way in explaining consciousness - maybe our consciousness is made of billions of little pieces or something...
It's become harder to think free will exists given the fact the multitude of processes going on behind the scenes that could lead to your decisions before you are even aware of them.
It's become harder to believe planes fly given the fact the multitude of metal parts allowing them to fly make them so incredibly heavy
@@Robinson8491 you proved his point what exactly where you going for?
@@angellara6906 but he didn't?
@@Some.username.idk.0 Explain, open to other points of view 👍
@@angellara6906 I think @Albert meant that there is no correlation between planes having heavy parts and believing planes can fly, so he was making an example of OP's comment comment that that isn't a direct correlation.
(I do understand heavier planes and how hard it is to fly DO have a correlation and I don't have a comment on if the OP is right or wrong)
So much in line with what Lisa Feldman Barrett says in her book "How Emotions Are Made"
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Thank you, Arvin! In love with your channel
Thanks for another great informative video
Thank you so much for your amazing explanations and content. A joy to watch as always!!!
Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed it!
I love this. I have an internal debate within my own noggin about free will. Absorbing videos like this are exactly what I need. Thank you.
Amazing video as usual! Keep up the good work.
Great video. Very well thought! Thanks.
Started watching your vids since u had just a couple thousand subcribers , look at you now! .... you deserve it big dawg much love... thankyou for the knowledge
Appreciate that!
Same here
@@amargaste3833 same :D
@@ArvinAshi SAW "SCIENTISTS AND EXPLORERS LIVE - Why Water is Weird! with Philip Ball" although he would not admit it, he pretty much proved the wisdom of God by the design of water !
Respect to Philip Ball for the brilliant explanation!
The video of the macrophage consuming the pathogen was amazing to me. I had always assumed that process was akin to a poison that only specific pathogens were susceptible to. Now I see a macrophage chasing a pathogens and consuming it. The only model I know regarding intelligent entities is Input Process Output (IPO). In this case the macrophage detects the pathogen, somehow? Chases it down (that requires some amount of processing to triangulate). Catches and eats it - which doesn't require any sort of processing. The detection and chasing does require some sort of processing and its not a small amount of processing required to perform those tasks with modern technology.
They will be following a chemical signal.
Awesome collab! Love the animated video lecture
Hands down one of the best on UA-cam. Thank you for these. You are so good at breaking down the complex.
I'd love to see a video in this subject ans superdeterminism.
Seems interesting 🙂after all I also feel this way 🙂after I could have Ben any animal 😐even before this planet we were nothing but yet when we die we will be in the same place before we were not ever born in the first place after all I could have Ben a dinosaur I could have Ben a wolf I could have Ben anything ?so why out of all things a human not just a human a human born in a specific point in history?🤔
Wow!! You always come up with astonishing ideas.ilovethischannel♥️
Hope you are healing up well my friend and thanks for all your hard work on making these videos 😎👍
Much appreciated! Thank you. Healing is slower than I anticipated. The doctor painted a little too optimistic a picture. But what the heck, I think I like my look in a winter hat better than my bald head anyway. lol.
The most astounding demonstrations of free will I have seen was on a David Attenborough show about ants: Newly hatched queens were taken outside, presumably for sunshine and fresh air, when the workers came to take them back to the nest the queens resisted. Presumably they liked being outdoors.
That doesn't make any sense.
@@illustriouschin In what way? Ants are supposed to suborn themselves to the good of the nest, these queens were not behaving for the good of the nest.
How does that demonstrate free will? You are describing a behavior, not free will.
@@jpe1 A behaviour not suborned to the good of the nest.
@@earlofdoncaster5018 are you defining “free will” to mean “behavior against your own best interest”?
I’m not sure I understand what you think that you have concluded.
This has got to be a top science vid on UA-cam of all time ever ❤️ the truest explanation of our best understanding of what life is ❤️ thank you for this beautiful video
new to your channel but REALLY like it my dude!
WOW. what an amazing video. This is one of the best you have ever put on UA-cam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love this subject... I was talking about it with my brother a couple of hours ago! Super cool.
Me too!! But my brother got pissed and dosen't want to hear it🤣 He says "Its still my brain"! 🤔🙃
@@woodstockjon420 mine just said "ok, you're high" and went to bed, instead... 😂
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
LOVE the Chanel. 🤩
Hi Arvin. You are diversifying! Congrats.
Thanks for your videos. This channel is one of my favorite.
The „memory“ is literally your DNA 🧬 it contains everything about what you are and how you are built and how to interact with nature to harness it, it’s also changing over generations. This in turn allows you to adapt to your surroundings.
"The „memory“ is literally your DNA"
Got any shred of evidence?
I'll eat my hat if you do
You've literally just pretty much described my entire fricking brain and how I consciously process everything... basically
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Wow! Great video. Thank you!
Yes. I have thought about it. Very well formulated.
Thank you for your work. I learned from a wise teacher that free will is not about making a choice with the goal of optimally satisfying the instinct or ego (even if this choice involves complex intellectual analysis). Free will is actually about making a choice to follow truth to the detriment of instinctual/ egoistic satisfaction. Only humans are capable of this, as animals are purely instinct driven. A pure free will decision however, is rare for most humans.
To give an example, a person has an emotion of greed, and is presented with the opportunity to steal, completely get away with it, plus society would ridicule him if it was found out that didn't take this opportunity (so no ego motivation). And he decides not to steal based on the abstract recognition that all humans have equal inalienable rights. This is a free will decision. On the other hand, a decision to not steal because of one's self image, fear of getting caught, etc. is instinctually motivated, where the stronger instinct wins out.
So... do things have free will?
I understand that living things have agency. But if their (our?) collection of potential responses upon certain stimuli is limited by DNA / memories / perception etc., then it doesn't sound like free, but rather predetermined, therefore, theoretically calculable.
Then quantum physics enters the chat and shows us the random nature of reality, opening the route to the possibility of free will, via erasing the predeterministic model.
Or does it? Because a random choice doesn't sound like free, but only non-determined.
Somehow it sounds like we don't actually have free will, merely an illusion of it. Thank you, brain!
Yup.
There are at least some reputable and credentialed physicists that will tell you you have no free will, for the reasons you state. I think it's still an open question. How can we know, when no biophysicist in the world can tell us what the mechanism that causes consciousness is, much less "free will"? You might doubt whether you have free will, but you no doubt have consciousness... but what is it, at the lowest quantum level? Is it millions of tiny particles going through their predetermined motions? If so, not only is your free will an illusion, not only do you not actually make "decisions"... your every thought and feeling is just a robotic playing out of the predetermined behavior of each of millions of these particles, doing their inevitable behaviors with no control. If you have no free will, that includes not having the free will to form thoughts... those thoughts are just illusions created by the particles in your brain and your consciousness, whatever that is, is just a passive observer with no control over them.
@@NondescriptMammal so doesn't that remove any ethical framework?
@@Tzimiskes3506 : "If you do harm to others they will take measures to stop you; not because you have free will but because you embody the problem and locking you up will solve it".
"You may not know the outcome of the calculations in your head but you still have to do the calculation". ~Sabine Hossenfelder
Determinism doesn't preclude randomness so "determined" is the result of prior circumstances whereas "predetermined" suggests planning.
@@lrvogt1257 you didn't answer the question though... All you did was define and distinguish between determinism and pre-determined things...
Super interesting and really well explained!
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Really fascinating way of looking at it.
"It (agency) grants..." I dunno, sounds mystical...
Amazing video, thanks Arvin!
I think the free will question is often too simplified by philosophical views. Some say, that because there are constraints (environment, physics, etc), we cannot have a free will in principle. However, even in a very limited environment, we still can have infinite amount of options. If we are to choose a number between 0-1, we still have infinite number of options despite the strict limits.
Another thing is, that it only takes a simple double pendulum to create a chaos movements. Considering how much more complex the environment and living things are, we can never work with the complete set of information. We always have to make guesses.
I like it better when Arvin explains the topic.
This is pretty good! Not any hokus pokus guesswork on how some straw one is grasping at could do some esoteric hand-wavy magic to save free will but recognizing the limitations of the concept and only using what is required of it to offer explanations for the behavior of 'Matter with agency'
My opinion is that it is impossible to know the answer, so the only reasonable thing to do is to act assuming you do have free will.
Thanks... I always like your video for easy explanation.
The Animate and The Inanimate written by William James Sidis is the best book for comprehend this topic more easily.
Great idea for a video. No one else has posted anything like this
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
There are many problems regarding the question of free will. First the definition of free will, has to be established, which is difficult, and then we need to understand, why the brain has already made a choice about something, long before we are conscious about it. That is, to my knowledge, still an enigma to science.
The thought of not really calling the shots, when a decision is made, is scary to most.
For example, can you choose to like vegetables, if you normally dislike them?
I have trouble getting it down, and it would make my life easier, if I could change this inconvenience.
Always admire the way Arvin addresses such topic with diplomacy. RESPECT!
Very nice explanation but I am always wondering.. . why? Why would anything that starts of as nothing more than a hot mess, give rise to things like evolution and all that comes with it? I mean it's weird that somehow there is a need for the universe to make itself increasingly complex. Why would that be a thing if everything could have just stayed simple or non-existent at all?
Good question! I think complexity can be explained after evolution takes over. The key question to me is how did the first self-replicating entity come about. There are some theories on this. The one that makes the most sense to me is one by Jeremy England. I talked about this a little bit in my video titled "Abiogenesis" -- The driving force is energy and entropy. In a nutshell, living systems process energy much more efficiently than nonliving systems.
Great video!
✅ Amazing addition of graphics to an audio only presentation.
arvin's beanie is cute. great vid, arvin!
Just watched the first minute and it’s already better than 99% of other videos on the topic.
Agreed
Yup
Yeah, it's philosophically coherent, and so elegant that I am suspicious. ;-)
@@bsadewitz and it actually agrees with the science
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Gud one. Kind of new. Leaves thinking after watching the video
I love your videos teach❤️😎, always learn something new from your channel. Thank you.
Everything in existence is energy interacting with itself. Every effect has at least one cause, itself.
Absolutely - wonder why demons are being cited and where is Philip Ball going with this - I respect Philip a lot for his lectures on Royal Institute, especially on quantum fields, but this is a case of physicists attempting to be over the nature & trying to complicate things by bringing in newer and fancier terms to maintain a deliberate enigma around this.
Yes, just like Depended Origination philosophy in Buddhism. Nothing arising without a cause.
@@robertpupo Find some entity to do my gravity test and potentially have the literal theory of everything for this universe: (copy and paste from my files):
Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a.
My Current TOE:
THE SETUP:
1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.).
3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them.
4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them.
5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them.
FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO:
6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field.
7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field.
8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality.
9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons.
10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary.
11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks.
12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do.
THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA:
13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc.
14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe.
15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe.
16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate.
17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure.
18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons).
THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY:
19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up.
20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency.
21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies.
NOTES:
22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well.
25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true.
26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught?
DISCLAIMER:
27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.
@@robertpupo Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way.
a. Imagine a 12 hour clock.
b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions.
c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions.
(The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.)
d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields.
e. Do this with the em fields on and off.
(The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.)
f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects.
(Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.)
(And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.)
(An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.)
'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done.
'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.
@@milap.1616 "IF" my TOE is correct, then the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe, including space and time (space being energy itself and time being the flow of energy), as well as numbers and constants for math to do what math does in this existence.
Here is a copy and paste from my files of a part of my conversation with another individual concerning 'cause and effect', potentially showing how the 'gem' photon is it's own self causal effect, and hence, truly eternally existent.
I can clearly see what you are saying about the effect of a cause in itself may be a cause for a later effect. And in that regard, yes it could be seen as being the same. But a 'cause' usually comes before an 'effect'. And in that context, if something never ever changes, the cause brings about an effect (no change) which in itself is a cause (no change) which then brings about an effect (no change),......., and both the cause and effect are identical and no change occurs.
But now, if some state of existence changes somewhere in the process, either via a cause that is not identical to the effect or an effect that is not identical to a cause, then change occurs. But for a change to occur that causes some later effect still puts a cause before an effect. One total state of existence changing to bring about another total but different state of existence.
Logically speaking, I can't see how one could have a different state of existence (effect) from a previous state of existence that was not identical (cause) to bring about the later different state of existence. And sure, that later effect might possibly be the cause to future effects and so on and so forth and possibly life happens and evolves in a cause/effect/cause/effect.... kind of way.
And in essence, 'if' for example my latest theory of everything is really true, that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the basic energy unit of this universe that brings about everything in this universe, including even numbers themselves for math to do what math does, a singular energy unit with 3 different modalities, each modality acting 90 degrees from the other two, while the basic structure of the 'gem' photon itself never changes, it's the interaction with other 'gem' photons in existence whereby other future effects occur in a cause and effect kind of way. And sure, later effects become the cause of later effects and so on and so forth. But the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photons themselves would eternally exist as they themselves make up space and time itself. Eternally the same, but yet interactions with other like 'gem' photons brings about change. (But I fully acknowledge that this TOE idea is dependent upon the results of my gravity test.) But in the context of this discussion, it is a possibility at this time of how reality truly is.
In essence, the basic pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon would be both the 'cause' and the 'effect' all contained within itself and in that context, both the 'cause' and 'effect' would be identical.
* Added note: The universe ALWAYS existed in some form and did not have a beginning, nor might it ever end. The creation accounts in the Bible and other religion's belief systems, as well as the singular 'big bang' theory, are all just fairy tales. The 'gem' photon would be it's own self causal effect, and hence, eternally existent.
the best channel in the world but too underrated :(
sometimes a sign of quality
Yeah..
No way there more channels like this
What does "underrated" mean to you exactly?
Yeah. Everyone's definitely rating this channel too low. So low he's being paid money by a business to do their ad reads. 🙄
@@cwtrain I am talking about subs and views
I'd surmise that all living things posses free will as by its very definition, they all choose to be "living" instead of being dead.
Is becoming "alive" a choice that living things have?
This is simply great 👍👌👏👏👏🥳
Literally the best video ever wtf
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
I can’t see how we can decouple “free will” from consciousness.
I can't see what "free will" is even supposed to mean
@@PlebstersPictionary Are you allowed to think that?
@DECLAN DOUGAN That hasnt been demonstrated yet. The task basically started with the ancient Greek thinkers 2,500 years ago who formulated the Mind-Body problem.
There really hasnt been any progress since.
The hard problem of consciousness remains unresolved. Plenty of work to do I'm afraid Mr Dougan
@DECLAN DOUGAN You can say that about many things.
Can you say that about consciousness and awareness?
Determinism is not something written in stone. It took full flight after the work of Newton and Lagrange who were able to mathematically predict the future and the past of a body if parameters such as position and momentum are known. (in the case of Lagrange, it was the principle of least action that was applied and the same predictions are arrived at).
At we know Newtonian or Classical physics became a limited theory when General Relativity and Quantum Physics emerged in the early 20th century.
People often confuse Quantum Physics as a non deterministic theory. The Shroedinger Wave Function is not a non-deterministic equation. In fact it's a deterministic relationship and is the main equation used in Quantum Mechanical systems.
If there is no free will, then how are all events pre-determined? Does that mean that a creator is required? Then the question arises: Does the creator have free will? If so, why would He/She/It create a universe with mindless automata that have their entire future already set out for them?
Free will explained in a very nice way. Spirituality and science if go hand in hand then it can be explained in the different way !
Fantastic! I have been meaning to look up something to the effect of, "Do microorganisms have a brain?" - then I stumbled across it here.
Our cells desire replication. Biology stimulates us into an action through the translation of emotions by our conscious. As an organism we are always looking for opportunities to ensure our survival. Everything we do can be reduced to this fact. What you may believe is free will is a conscious translation tricking you into thinking you have agency over your actions ,where as in reality you are acting on an emotional stimulus that is generated by your own biology to fulfill the best conditions for reproduction.
This exact thought occurred to me when I was on acid once
What's the point of having a consciousness then if all the decisions are made outside of it?
Cuteness overload warning at 10:30
You chose to make this video.
That pretty much answers the question.
Hardly.
The macrophages and the other morphs in that clip are chemical "magnets." (Magnets = attraction and repulsion; "smelling".)
_Trial and error_ -- on the scale of iterations of combinations of "magnets" (and disparate termination of trendlines [natural selection]) -- sorted the _attraction and repulsion_ chain reactions (e.g apparent "chasing") that one sees.
Is UA-cam reading my mind😬. This exact morning I was thinking about this and when I opened UA-cam this was in my recommendations
it probably means that you're spending too much time on yt
@Arvin Ash, do you think ultimately quantum biology is necessary to fully explain decision making and agency? Because without quantum indeterminacy, all of the organism's actions would be (in principle) pre-determined, regardless of how unpredictable and complex they might seem to us (due to our ignorance of all the factors at play). I feel the only way for an organism to truly exercise "free choice" at the fundamental level would be for it to take advantage of quantum uncertainty
Good question. I think Roger Penrose believes that. I am not convinced QM would explain decision making at the macro scale. I think if free will exists, then there is probably some other mechanism to explain it. But I remain open to being convinced otherwise.
@@ArvinAsh Yeah I'm not sure either, but it really makes you wonder. One might think quantum effects would be bottom-up since they originate on such a small scale, but since quantum physics is inherently non-local and in some sense holistic, perhaps it can embody top-down processes as well. It's also exciting that they're finding evidence of quantum effects playing a key role in photosynthesis and possibly other biological processes. Who knows where that line of research will lead ;)
I guess many people might be able to relate this video to the Attack on Titans' latest episode.
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Great video
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill.
Man how can some people watch this even before it starts ???? 🙄🙄🙄
Some people have joined Arvinash by giving money.... they get early acess to videos
Patreon and UA-cam members of the channel have early access.
Is agency an evolutionary mechanism to acquire the most energy from the environment with the least effort on the part of a biological organism?
And this agency only emerges when a certain level of complexity is reached, and this complexity is only achievable by accessing an energy threshold?
And the evolutionary mechanism that makes complexity possible is a product of accessing a great amount of energy from the enviroment?
So there must be some deeper mechanism or phenomenon than evolution that could possibly explain life?
Evolution may only be some guide to a more fundamental explanation of life itself?
Too many questions.
Efficient use of energy appears to be a driving force in evolution. As Philip Ball points out, I don't think this is dependent on brain complexity. Pretty much any biological entity is driven by it, or so it appears. The deeper mechanism is perhaps efficient use of energy - thermodynamics. There appears to be some evidence of this based on some recent papers. Great questions!
Thank you.
Amazing!!!!!
Interesting video. Ball was great, thanks for his contribution. I have come to appreciate the Buddhist view, in that there is no agent. All living things are simply living, evolving with no favoritism ( advantage to humans) whatsoever. As stated By Ball, living “things” can make very slight changes to suit itself. Every-“thing” / action unfolds according to its prior causes and conditions. Perhaps life simply unfolds in this way.( I think) Love the channel, thanks Arvin.
Arvin, you will be an amazing person to take along for a long road trip. You deserve more in life. God Bless Sir.
Haha. Thanks for the compliment. I actually enjoy long road trips!
I think Bayesian Analysis plays a role in this discussion, regarding how all living things, even single celled, react and act.
The questions that need to be settled are; "Do the parts control the whole?" and "Does the past control the present?" These are the underlying assumptions of determinism.
Amazing video! In my opinion, this is further evidence that consciousness is fundamental indeed. By consciousness, I don't necessarily mean the higher cognitive functions that humans possess, but rather an "intelligent principle" that embodies purpose, prediction, and decision-making at the most fundamental levels, along with a glimmer of self-awareness (the organism must, at some rudimentary level, be "aware" that it is somewhat separate from its external environment). Consciousness can also be defined as an "organizing principle," allowing living organisms to navigate thermodynamics in such a way as to create localized order within a greater context of increasing entropy
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Arvin this is an amazing video, I have never even heard the word agency outside of my AI studies. I need to digest some of this video. But I have always thought about free will saw it as a gradient with all life, but my theory is either all life has it or none have it. It could just be a human made concept. When I build embedded systems that has a goal, lets say to path find across the room I understand in detail the heuristic goal I put in the code, and the algorithm to calculate the next best move. I believe with certainty that this system is not alive and not comprised of free will. And yet it exhibits same behavior as small cells. Then I concluded nobody has free will. Which begs at my intuition of myself, wait I do have free will.. don’t i? Good stuff, thank you for sharing.
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
or maybe that system of yours is more aware of the world than you first thought? is that possible?
@@zanly5039 haha maybe
Cool stuff 👍
I find it profound that I can scribble on a piece of paper, and no equation will ever be able to predict the outcome..
That's an interesting thought. In principle, if one knew your psychological history, and your past scribblings, they might be able to predict with high degree of accuracy, what you are most likely to scribble. An equation might not be necessary.
@@ArvinAsh I appreciate your response and hypothesis. Still, I don't think that the exact future scribble lines could ever be exactly predicted. I'm quite proud of the vast complexity of my randomness 😅 That said, maybe the closest thing we could get to a prediction would be probabilities on the location of my next line. Sound familiar?
didn’t know it actually had a term name “agency” merci eid mubarak!
You're an automaton and don't you let anyone ever tell you any different.
"Free" will is an illusion. Probably so we don't go crazy.
It is true that we can do what we want. In fact, I would say we ONLY do what we want. We can't do things we don't want to do, that's simply not how our brains work. Everything boils down to the purely selfish reason "I did it, because I wanted to do it" even seemingly selfless acts are based on egoism. We do the things we do to get pleasure and avoid pain. That's what every organism does.
So we do have will, but we can't choose what it is that we truly want, so we can't call it "free" will. I honestly don't know how "true free will" would even work in this universe.
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My theory on free will is: Each universe is intrinsically tied to causality. However as conscious beings, we forge out own path through the multiverse, our consciousness (whether a a simple emergent property of the complexity of the brain, or something more) is what decides which path we take, and therefore, which branch of the multiverse we end up in.
Obviously our choices are limited to what is permitable by physical laws.
But this way, we can have free will in a deterministic universe, because our consciousness operates a level above that of the laws of causality, on a quantum level.
At its core, science is philosophy. I love the amount of philosophy discussed on this channel.
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process resulting in optimized predictions!
"Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy.
Unfortunately he was long winded , it is not as complex as he explains
Yes, this was a long essay-style definition of the concept of "agency."
Philip Ball revealing his tattoos at 2:24. Niice.
There is no you or me separate from the entire universe.
The organism and the environment are one process.
It is the mind that wants to devide in order to understand and control.🙏
What if you "froze" a human brain in time, making the brain "read only" as in computer terms, would we still have agency? Or would our actions be totally predictable?
Then selectively "unfreeze" (make writable) just a certain part like working memory. Does that change the answer to the same question?
Good question. I don't know. My guess would be that this process would not be like a computer. Because so many parts of the brain work together in unison, I'm not sure you could so selectively activate one area of brain functioning, while tuning out the rest.
Reading context is necessarily selective, and so is an act of agency driven by our will. If only we could choose what we will then we would have true agency.
Yay existential Crisis
This is very cute puff piece. This subject has been growing a lot in popularity over the last 70 years. You're decision on whether you aquire completely free will depends on your entirely on your perspective.
Sir u Just great as a curious human being ❤️ love you as a human being ❤️
my free will tells me to watch this video
your brain is controlled by external forces to make to think you have free will
@@vaibhavbv3409 okay I won't watch it then.
@@Gigatless your brain is just controlled by external forces (like my reply) to make you not watch it. Now where is free will lol?
@@vaibhavbv3409 that statement is hollow. It disregards the fact that out brain is extremely complex and not only being affected by external factors.
@@Gigatless If there was free will, there will be many immortal people
"Agency" is a terrible word to use to describe what appears to be "tendency".
I don't think the word "tendency" would do the phenomena justice. It's more than just tendency. This is perhaps one step lower than free will - but biological systems appear to do more than just what DNA programming or pure physics would predict.
Purposes, goals, targets, intentions, aims or objectives -- teleology or syntropy (agency).
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, projection) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
All observers track targets, goals -- teleology.
Thinking or rational thought is a syntropic process!
Tendency implies Choice .. that implies a choice between options of Agency. You may not like the words but the logic is clear,
Very nice👍👌
Kitna acha samjhate ho aap
Hugh Ross has a good theory on how God's soverign will (including all time existing in 4d) and man's free will coexisting because of 3d time
I take by creationism you refer to the supernatural creation of life and not the big bang yes?
The deeper my insight, the closer my suicide.
Why? You have such a short time on earth anyway. And you'll never get it again. Why not use it enjoy yourself, or make life better for others?
That there necessarily _would be_ a depth of my insight that could only force my suicide is theoretical. I should have specified that.
Even so, I _do_ believe that suicide (as it occurs in _this_ world) isn't always a choice. Indeed, I believe that in most cases it isn't.
@@somethingyousaid5059 And that's why there's a lot of weirdos in a world get interested in Sanatana Dharma and Kundalini awakening. Self sacrifice, elimination of Ego, cutting off own identity, limited consciousness, thoughts and emotions. Symbol - headless Goddess Chinamasta who's dead but alive.
Its when you cannot kill yourself physically because you be thrown back to Samsara - Reincarnation only to painfully repeat the cycle, but kill your Ego, self identity to stop further reincarnations, based on karma. Suicide at universal proportions.
I mean, does anything else in the universe keep on improving itself to survive? No, only we do that with evolution. We seem like the 6th force of the universe with how we move and survive, being the only “things” that can move against the force of gravity.
Agency being relative to memory efficiency reminds me of good vs bad quality training data for deep learning. The more relevant features in the training data, the better the predictions. And it seems the more specific a memory is (storing most relevant data which is less space) then the more agency because more accurate recognition of the same stimuli leading to more consistent behavior?
I agree, the similarities are striking.