I love Flo's charging reliability here in Canada. You know it will work. If there is something they can improve on it's that every Flo charger I've come across is only 50kW, and often a single or double unit only. I'd love to see some of those faster chargers in this video actually get in the ground because their reliability mixed with faster charging would make them my go to for sure. Please Flo, get some of those faster chargers in the GTA!
Flo is always my first choice, I use them for 90% of my dc fast charging, reliability is not even on the same page as the rest of the industry, when you get there you know it will work every time. In the greater Toronto area. The only issue is that some sites only have 1 charger so there may be a line or when planning a trip there is the chance there will be a line vs. Sites with multiple chargers. Glad to see more powerful units coming out. Most of what we see is 50kw with the occasional 100kw unit.
@@BremboT I have seen two, both at Nissan dealers. With our Leaf Plus we hit 75kW on one of them. They did charge us for the RFID cards. I wasn't terribly pleased about that but I didn't realize at the time we could have used our Chargepoint card which was free.
I do occasionally charge at a Flo DCFC in locations around Vermont. I use the Chargepoint RFID to activate the charge, making it as smooth as a credit card payment without need for a credit card reader. I've found Flo charging to be very reliable.
@@BremboT because Flo is a Canadian company and doesn't have much footprint in USA, plus I already have a Chargepoint RFID and don't want to start yet another account/app.
They are everywhere here in Quebec. Not the fastest (the 50 and 100 kW), but you know they will work! I'm looking forward at seeing those new 320 kW chargers spread everywhere.
I live in Northern BC and been driving a Mache for 3 years. I level 1 charge at home 98% of the time. On road trips the vast majority of DCFC available are Flo (either branded Flo or our local Utility provider that uses rebranded Flo chargers). I have never had a bad experience with a Flo charger they just work. I saw pics of one with the cables cut off on plugshare but it was fixed by the time I needed it a couple weeks later on a trip to Jasper. Unfortunately at least in northern BC they are all 50 KW so takes a little longer than it could to charge. Main point is they work :).
If you charge per kWh, you can have 8 stalls dynamically sharing 64 Amps. A nice setup on Park-and-Ride location where people typical are parked for more than 8 hours.
Francie, great video as always, love what youve done with Out of Spec Podcast. Could you do a podcast about what charging companies are planning to do about security cameras and ways to orotect their chargers from the recent rise in vandalism and cable cutting? Im really curious to see if this is even on many charging conpanies radar yet sbd what plans they have already implemented or have in the works.
Should have mentioned, I am still waiting for my NACs adapter so I can try the Tesla stations although the pricing is steep, BC Hydro 34 cents a KW and Tesla 68 cents per KW (at least in northern BC) Will probably only use the adapter in southern BC where Tesla prices are much more reasonable. (often less than BC Hydro/Flo)
Probably because those 50kw cables are so thin. Surprising to know they don't use copper in them, but thieves won't "learn" that, because they'll always go for a cord that's easy to cut on the off chance that there _will_ be copper in them. Even if there never is.
At 33:25 the Flo guy speaks about getting an industrial grade plug, which is a great suggestion, but he makes the comment that it’s because you have a higher voltage going through there. That is a bit nonsensical. The voltage will be 240 V AC no matter what. it’s the amperage that would be different depending on how you configure the charger which hopefully is at 80% of the breaker and wire rating.
The biggest issue I've encountered with public charging is often the networked communications, particularly in poor cellular coverage. My hope is Flo and other charging providers think about means to avoid the complications that come when these communication systems are limited or not available, giving the customer more reliable service with perhaps "dumb" systems that are still able to keep account of operations and payments.
The fact Flo bills Canadian customers upto 20 dollars per charge card puts them at the bottom of my charging providers. Absolutely disgusted by these guys. Do they also bill US customers for the RFID cards? And how much do they cost there?
ironically the copper content is meaningless when the point is VANDALISM. many like thinking the cords are being cut for their value because it makes them "feel better" (psychologically) rather than acknowledging the hard reality that there's a whole group of people that simply DON'T LIKE THEM OR THEIR BEV.
I love Flo's charging reliability here in Canada. You know it will work. If there is something they can improve on it's that every Flo charger I've come across is only 50kW, and often a single or double unit only. I'd love to see some of those faster chargers in this video actually get in the ground because their reliability mixed with faster charging would make them my go to for sure. Please Flo, get some of those faster chargers in the GTA!
I've charged with Flo L2 and the 50 KW L3 chargers and have always had success. Even during a -41 cold snap in Alberta!
I vote for Francie to do a VinFast road trip up to Quebec!
Flo is always my first choice, I use them for 90% of my dc fast charging, reliability is not even on the same page as the rest of the industry, when you get there you know it will work every time. In the greater Toronto area. The only issue is that some sites only have 1 charger so there may be a line or when planning a trip there is the chance there will be a line vs. Sites with multiple chargers. Glad to see more powerful units coming out. Most of what we see is 50kw with the occasional 100kw unit.
I've never seen a 100kW Flo unit. Did they bill you for the RFID card?
@@BremboT I have seen two, both at Nissan dealers. With our Leaf Plus we hit 75kW on one of them. They did charge us for the RFID cards. I wasn't terribly pleased about that but I didn't realize at the time we could have used our Chargepoint card which was free.
Great podcast Francie keep up with great work ❤❤❤
Thank You Francie for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste
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I do occasionally charge at a Flo DCFC in locations around Vermont. I use the Chargepoint RFID to activate the charge, making it as smooth as a credit card payment without need for a credit card reader. I've found Flo charging to be very reliable.
Why not use Flos RFID?
@@BremboT because Flo is a Canadian company and doesn't have much footprint in USA, plus I already have a Chargepoint RFID and don't want to start yet another account/app.
Never seen a Flo charger IRL, but this interview gives me confidence that they will expand and offer reliable charging near me soon! Thank you!
They are everywhere here in Quebec. Not the fastest (the 50 and 100 kW), but you know they will work! I'm looking forward at seeing those new 320 kW chargers spread everywhere.
Love Flo charger the two times I used it! Unfortunately the third time I went there the charger was cut and was no longer in operation
I drive a Tesla and primarily use FLO due to price and location. Thus far I've experienced 100% reliability with the FLO 50kW units.
Love the Flo chargers. I live in Montreal as well and will be installing a new lvl2 Flo charger next to my condo parking this summer.
I use a Flo X at home and no issues whatsoever for over 3 years of owning my MachE
I live in Northern BC and been driving a Mache for 3 years. I level 1 charge at home 98% of the time. On road trips the vast majority of DCFC available are Flo (either branded Flo or our local Utility provider that uses rebranded Flo chargers). I have never had a bad experience with a Flo charger they just work. I saw pics of one with the cables cut off on plugshare but it was fixed by the time I needed it a couple weeks later on a trip to Jasper. Unfortunately at least in northern BC they are all 50 KW so takes a little longer than it could to charge. Main point is they work :).
looking good Francie!
If you charge per kWh, you can have 8 stalls dynamically sharing 64 Amps. A nice setup on Park-and-Ride location where people typical are parked for more than 8 hours.
There's one of these nearby me that I use. However, it's only available roughly 4 days out of each month.
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Francie, great video as always, love what youve done with Out of Spec Podcast.
Could you do a podcast about what charging companies are planning to do about security cameras and ways to orotect their chargers from the recent rise in vandalism and cable cutting?
Im really curious to see if this is even on many charging conpanies radar yet sbd what plans they have already implemented or have in the works.
This is kind of concerning, given the opioid epidemic is _still_ going on
Should have mentioned, I am still waiting for my NACs adapter so I can try the Tesla stations although the pricing is steep, BC Hydro 34 cents a KW and Tesla 68 cents per KW (at least in northern BC) Will probably only use the adapter in southern BC where Tesla prices are much more reasonable. (often less than BC Hydro/Flo)
You claim that BC Hydro takes 34 cents per Kelvin-Watts, what is a Kelvin Watt?....
@@MichaelEricMenk Gotta love the trolls, its the hilarious contribution to the content that especially enjoy
@@OlsenAaron troll?
YOU claim they sell in Klevin Watt, not me..
We need to start pushing them to add cameras to prevent cable cutting
Still no protection to prevent cables from being cut.
that "protection" is Wireless Charging. as the fanboys say "the best part is no part" or in this case "the best cable is no cable".
Probably because those 50kw cables are so thin. Surprising to know they don't use copper in them, but thieves won't "learn" that, because they'll always go for a cord that's easy to cut on the off chance that there _will_ be copper in them. Even if there never is.
At 33:25 the Flo guy speaks about getting an industrial grade plug, which is a great suggestion, but he makes the comment that it’s because you have a higher voltage going through there. That is a bit nonsensical. The voltage will be 240 V AC no matter what. it’s the amperage that would be different depending on how you configure the charger which hopefully is at 80% of the breaker and wire rating.
The biggest issue I've encountered with public charging is often the networked communications, particularly in poor cellular coverage. My hope is Flo and other charging providers think about means to avoid the complications that come when these communication systems are limited or not available, giving the customer more reliable service with perhaps "dumb" systems that are still able to keep account of operations and payments.
Translation of 80amp- 19.2kw and needs 100amp breaker ,50amp=11.6 kw charging and needs 60 amp size breaker
Whats the plug type
This is going to blow your mind. If you watch the video, they discuss it. I know amazing.
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The fact Flo bills Canadian customers upto 20 dollars per charge card puts them at the bottom of my charging providers. Absolutely disgusted by these guys.
Do they also bill US customers for the RFID cards? And how much do they cost there?
Isn't that a temporary hold?
How much copper do they contain? Asking for a friend...
Did you even watch the podcast? “Not much”, he said.
It was a joke, man. Lighten up.
ironically the copper content is meaningless when the point is VANDALISM. many like thinking the cords are being cut for their value because it makes them "feel better" (psychologically) rather than acknowledging the hard reality that there's a whole group of people that simply DON'T LIKE THEM OR THEIR BEV.
@@phillyphil1513 So true. And this behavior extends to just about every aspect of life, these days. There are people who "just don't care". 😡
Flo in Ontario Canada are just level 2 chargers which you should only use if you absolutely have to.