To think about it, An atheist couldn't exist....where as an agnostic says I don't know, an atheist couldn't know either side science or God...Science doesn't prove anything only makes discoveries and there are nearly infinite things that science doesn't know and the amount of flaws that we will run into will make the process of discovery much much longer.....and then the "atheist" doesn't believe in God and only has their limited understanding of our reality
What it actually does is engage the emotions, and keep bypassing the cortex. Religion is based on emotion. The caller takes a book called Bible as evidence, when it is only a piece of literature. Literature is creative writing, not history or science.
My favorite part is that everything is in his plan but they have no idea what this plan's goal is so they couldn't possibly determine which actions are part of said plan or even if said plan was good or evil. So, so unbelievably dumb.
@@pascalsimioli6777 And then they pray to this God to do stuff, when he already has a plan. Which implies that they're probably asking for something that isn't part of his plan.
That is why Matt showed a mint in the left hand, but the caller pulled the definition trick anyway. Holy shit. If it isn't medical condition, then I don't know what is.
Multiple times you can ALMOST hear the caller’s brain snap into reality, then he shakes his head violently to make the “no-no” thoughts go away and he spouts more assertions. Don’t do the Bible, boys and girls.
There is nothing more harmful and dangerous to the human brain than the bible. This is how ur brain looks when u bible, worse than eggs on a frying pan.
Can you imagine his channel?? Dude is supposively a youtuber. So does he just insist he's right in a monotone over & over lol??? I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon them watch that sh^t.
Nothing is surprising after people electing Trump. …unless of course it happens again. Finally though we could all finally prove there is no god because what god would allow a piece of fecal matter to run a part of the world? Especially after shitting all over the world once already. A god wouldn’t allow him to rule the first time. Then again a large part of american fundamental christians believe he’s a good leader and even chosen by god… clearly god is losing his marbles in his old age. He’s got to be up there in age, right? he’s is over 13 billion years old. There’s no hate like fundamental christian love. WWjD? He would vote american. Because this is america(even though I’m not american or in america. Thank god!) But america is for americans who speak American and non of this Ching Chong Wing Wong
@@Niatnuom_Esiotrot Wow, that’s a pretty sick mindset, and (sadly) probably represents the majority of theist debaters. They don’t actually care about what is being said against their claims. They just want to get their claims out there.
@@lightbeforethetunnelThey never offer anything of value, spend far more time trying to talk over their debate opponents, and only ever see success against those inexperienced in debate. Of all the people you could champion, you picked an incredibly weak option.
@brodythomas9715 He has debated over a dozen PhDs by the way. They didn't have any answers for the questions either, so it's not true that presups like Darth only see success against inexperienced debaters at all. The argumentation of Presup is not his. Its something he learned. So, it's not as though this is something he came up with. He's just one presupper of many, and not the best out there by any means. He's just the most stubborn and abrasive about sticking with one question until it's answered like the OP says.
@mattg5802 The word "debate" just means to dispute. Merriam-Webster defines it as a contention by words. So, any time anyone disputes anything anyone else has said, whether it be oral or written, he/she is "debating" that person. You're likely conflating the word "debate" with "formal debate," as I've noticed many atheists do for some reason. You are thinking, in your mind, that Darth Dawkins does not engage in "formal debates" (which does not entail he does not engage in debates)
I'm a teacher and consider myself to be a pretty patient guy, but I honestly don't know how these two tolerated that utter nonsense. Credit to them as I was losing it with him.
It’s so hard to debate a person like this because they aren’t even making coherent sentences. They believe that if they pepper their language with Biblical quotes than they must be making sense and being very intelligent. It’s bizarre.
It's hard to debate people like Matt and florist up because they're so intellectually dishonest. Atheist won't even admit that atheism is a disbelief. Which means of course even if God was proven by the scientific method and atheist still wouldn't have the ability or willingness to accept God as true. It's always the same thing with these intellectually dishonest atheist they never wanted debate the logic of a creative versus a non intelligent occurrence being responsible for the origins of Life. Matter of fact I've yet to meet an atheist that believes the origins of Life came into existence without God and could provide evidence to why they believe that. Including atheist who just said God doesn't exist. Atheist like Matt won't even admit the superiority of Christian civilization AKA modern Western Civilization versus atheistic human civilization AKA communism. People like Matt will actually argue that atheist acuminous Godless Utopias have nothing to do with atheist ecumenism including officially atheistic States like North Korea Korea If you're not willing to acknowledge any truths about atheism what's the use of arguing. All the atheist wants to do is debate somebody's faith-based claims in the nature of God spiritual beliefs and demand physical evidence for spiritual claims it's ridiculous it's equivalent to the following. It's equivalent to an atheist human is saying I have faith that my child has a brain of a different gender in their body And then my coming to them and saying well you have to demonstrate it with physical evidence.. the moment they said they believe in faith tells us they can't demonstrate it with physical evidence. The difference between the faith-based beliefs of a Christian and the faith-based beliefs of an atheist is the faith-based belief of a Christian has resulted in the greatest civilization in the history of mankind Modern Western Civilization. Whereas the faith-based belief of the atheist humanist has resulted in their children being severely mutilated, mentally ill, suicidal way more likely to use drugs be homeless. Way more likely to get HIV way more likely to be both victims and victimizers of both child and adult rape. And the atheist unwillingness or inability to accept God is true has resulted in the worst civilization in the history of mankind, communism.
Exactly! These "God" believers just keep talking in circles and think they are proving their point when, in fact, they are just sounding more and more stupid!
Religion poisons everything. A debate is off the table, as the god fkr cannot participate in a conversation (how do you define conversation?), and maybe spending a lifetime with his head up his ass or living on the bottom the world with all the blood filling his head that is pointing down might be a mitigating factor.
Hey you are a brave guy making fun of Biblically. I mean it's one thing to diss a guys spouse you run the risk of getting a solid punch to the jaw, but this guy's spouse is friggin God.
"I swear to god if you change the meaning of the word "mint" to mean something else, I'm gonna lose it" "it depends what you mean by "mint"" my sides are out of orbit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
- How do you know God exists? - Because he's all powerful! - How do you know he's all powerful? - Because he's eternal! - How do you know he's eternal? - Because he's absolute! - How do you know he's absolute? - Because he's all loving! - How do you know he's all loving? - Because he's all good! - How do you know he's all good? - Because the bible says so... Is basically what I concluded from this... It's just straight up hilarious.
- How do you know the bible is accurate? - Because the bible is God's word! And the cycle starts all over again... Or some say "I have faith" as if faith is a reliable method of ascertaining what is true and what isn't.
This coming from the people that's severely mutilated their children because they believe in faith the children have a brain of a different gender in their body
I’m genuinely concerned by Matt’s lack of reaction to this line. Perhaps I’m not as mature as he, but Matt DID beautifully point out that bananas fit in the ass.
Yeah if/when Forrest gets a chance. Matt is 'good' at using Strong's concordance (the worst 'lexicon' in the universe) which he thankfully did not use.
@@PlayzieBum g makes a good point. Strong's concordance has one major weakness which is that it accepts a received translation as a definition of the word being translated. It also allows single-instance translations to stand unchallenged. (If you need an explanation of what that looks like, it would be like if I wrote a book about cheese and it was translated into French (for example) and in ONE verse, the translators replaced 'cheese' with 'meat' and their justification for that was that SOMETIMES that word is translated that way, and their EVIDENCE of that assertion was the one time they translated 'cheese' as 'meat'.) Strong's concordance can be a very helpful tool, but it's full of both those kinds of issues.
@@denverarnold6210 much admiration for Strong who did all that by hand, but it is pre-kindergarten. If one does not know Greek, you will know immediately when the person brings out Strongs concordance. It is practically useless.
Do you think his complete inability to discuss things rationally is a result of the brainwashing of his religious indoctrination? I tend to think this is just how it is. I have a few christian friends that do not in any way share his affliction.
@@AlDunbar not everyone is like this but a hell of a lot (pin intended) certainly are. They simply refuse to believe in anything logical even when it directly refutes their beliefs in front of their own eyes...this guy thinks he has a sexual relationship with God. He's beyond reproach.
@@AlDunbar You can assume that all Evangelical Christians alone are like that because they waited and found Trump their entire lives to brain wash them more
This is exactly the same thing I wanted to say. Perfect example of utter religious brainwashing. Absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever…!!! Sad and painful to listen to this caller.
I think it's because Matt has been doing this long enough to know when people are not arguing in good faith, whereas Forrest is more optimistic and wants to engage honestly
Forrest needs to take notes. Matt keys in on dishonesty super quick, and is right to hang up. That's why I miss him from The AE. Hanging up on liars that will never be honest, allows more time for more productive, and subsequently entertaining, conversations.
I love the contrast between Matt's and Forrest's approach. You have Forrest trying to lead the conversation patiently, breaking everything down perfectly for the caller to understand. And then when the caller deflects, Matt furiously asks him to stop beating around the bush and answer the question. It's like good cop bad cop and it's hilarious to see at work
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 yes, they absolutely would, and they would still emerge victorious with full composure. It was the caller's choice to appear on the show, full well knowing he would be scrutinized by 2 people. He would've come more prepared if he was being smart.
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 you're absolutely right, everyone knows that by virtue of being omniscient God has had the experience of being both a Top and a Bottom, the only logical conclusion is that God is a Switch. cant believe the disrespect of someone not recognizing this reality by even bothering to ask the question.
@@Z-one1000 Unicorns don't need our protection, remember, they are omniscient and omnipotent and the rainbow sherbet is the most delicious in the universe.
I love that he never just says 'I don't know'. This is his core trait for me and what probably led him to being the zealot he appears to be. He must know everything.
I’m so very appreciative of this show. It’s helped me FINALLY quiet the scared voice of the little girl I used to be who still believed in hell. Thank you so much.
@@epsteinsnecktie8690 : I watch everything about the Knights Templar. What are your opinions if they are actually now the Freemasons looking to take down the Catholic Church?
The buy-bull is a tool the rich and powerful have used to threaten, oppress, and control others. The buy-bull makes it easy: because the cruel and abusive character of "god", held up as an example of who (and therefore, which behavioral traits) should be admired, mimicked, and worshipped, matches _who you would have to be_ in order to violently force and coerce others to abandon their boundaries and consent in order to survive you, via unwilling obedience and submission. Indeed, no perfection. Yet the idea of hell does match *perfectly* to illustrate the kind of being we'd be talking about, if were god real.
@@christasimon9716 And with the knowledge god has, we're basically worse than babies. "Let me just place my 2 babies on top of the stove and when they touch the one hot coil, I'LL THREATEN THEIR ENTIRE LINEAGE WITH ETERNAL TORTURE, MAKE CHILD BIRTH WORSE FOR THE WOMEN, AND SHORTEN THEIR ALREADY PUNY LIVES!" (Caps = God maniacally putting fingertips together as he yells into ether pre-creation)
“How many penguins, biblically, are living in my ear right now” 😂 Literally the best line I’ve ever heard in a debate about god in my entire life. Can somebody please put that on a t-shirt and start selling them on the internet. 😂
That's why I could never be an educator, things like this isn't something that can be educated away. There is nothing you can teach them, even those that would pretend to agree with you do not flinch from their denial of observable reality at any point. I've tried, but it took about three tries and it didn't make a dent.
A prime example of someone who is trained to look for the 'trap' from atheists in every single statement. I remember getting that training when I was being indoctrinated as well. Love watching you guys!
Most of them will never understand that they're already in the trap because their beliefs are the trap. We don't have to trap them, we're not even trying to trap them, if anything the only reason we keep insisting on having these conversations is because we're trying to dislodge them from the trap! Now functionally to them this looks like every single thing we say or question we ask being the trap itself. But that's because they've been convinced that they will literally be tortured forever by their god if we succeed in getting them out of the god trap that has them imprisoned.
The true irony is that if they had a good argument to begin with, it would be darn near impossible to actually trap them in the first place. The fact that they have to look out for those 'gotcha' moments at every turn only further disproves their beliefs.
I think the funniest thing that they think is a gotcha trap is when atheists genuinely ask "why would god put the forbidden tree there" they get all smug like the answer is obvious but anytime you get them to actually try to respond they truly can't without making 1000 mental gymnastics
27:53 “I am the perfect spouse of god, god touches the side of my head and gives me feelings” didn’t know I had to take this guy any LESS seriously that I already was
This was hilarious.. Forrest's systematic dismantling of the callers claims was spectacular. Then a sexual relationship with Gawd entered (and everything went to hell)...
sadly it is very easy to lead people like "Biblically" by the hand to all the poiints where their faith based world model breaks apart and makes no longer sense. And yet they will not learn the important message from this, that they are unduly confident in their mental idea of the faith, because it HAS such logical gaps.
Person: so, is it raining outside? Caller: So, you're referencing the fact that there was water in the sea of Galilee, and bringing up the idea of the Gadarene Swine, and attempting to talk about the existence of demons. Person: I... just want to know if I need an umbrella. Caller: That means that you're discussing the apostle Judas.
"Can god regret a decision?". Narrator: At that point the caller did regret not hanging up. But instead continued on with a whole bunch of nonsense about regret and context. Meanwhile, miles away, a tornado wiped out 20 people. And a train accident in India another 280.
low key those last 7 words got me hot and bothered cuz it's about Forrest. Intelligence + smooooth ass voice + shmexy looking hair + that devilishly handsome smile and face = Daddy Forrest. And we all know why his name is Forrest, daddy got so much wood he could repopulate the world in one generation
"Wait did you just say you have a sexual relationship with god?" "Yes, but I havent felt his full power" lmao someone find this guy a partner, also i love Forrest's second to process what was said xD edit: I was laughing too hard to check my grammar when i wrote the comment
There needs to be a disclaimer at the start of this video for those people who have suicidal or homicidal thoughts, because listening to 10-15 minutes of this guy, will definitely push one over the edge!
Are you sure? Possibly only when you IDENTIFY or empathize with this guy. And that is self inflicted harm. For adults who can give consent ... Why not? I am absolutely okay with this guy. He is an adult. We have to respect his choice: With such an attitude and self chosen immaturity (his over-exaggerated defense mechanism against EVERYTHING ... which is absurd ... and is possibly a thing for psychiatrists and not our business here on UA-cam), he will never get a job beyond low level payment, possibly will not have a chance to spread his genes (and STFU, no one of you effing nazis knows how the offspring will be! The upbringing may be terrible ... like "hell", which is a nice pun) or have any chance to see the wonderfulness of the real world. Oh and BTW, like the original poster, I am joking of course! My satire just addresses us viewers. How can we have the default position that this(this circus, travesty, nonsense portrayed by the caller) utter BS is real? On a platform full of actors with the intention and purpose of ENTERTAINMENT and in a world full of mad acting people and ... **drumroll** actors, trolls and hobby comedians (like f.e. me:P ). Well and to address the original posters concern: If you have that much media-competence that you are unable to close the viewer, press the off-button on your device or switch to do something that you actually like ... then ... just do "it". We are all better off without you!:P And as this is the internet, full of moro.., I have to explicitly state that my statement of dark humor makes fun of the original posters ignorance of the point (or punchline, "Pointe" in German, hehe) that we viewers can simply turn off that BS. Even long before "10-15 minutes":) For real thoughts of that kind, please contact REAL institutions and qualified people that can help. The mention of "real" does make sense, believe me:) You will find hotlines, victim protection and prevention assistance organizations for your country with a simple online search or by asking your (family) doctor. Please don't end yourself. Not because of such callers, not because of our bad jokes .... don't do it. Tomorrow the world may be still effed up ... and even worse ... but possibly in a nicer way, or from a prettier viewing angle!:)
It’s so fascinating hearing him try so hard to pre-jump wherever he thinks the traps are going to be. I’ve never been able to hear brain synapse joints pop while someone’s doing mental gymnastics before. You can tell he feels he has all the answers and anything you are throwing at him has the potential to pierce straight through the veil. My religious dad does the same thing when we speak. I can see and hear where he thinks I’m trying to take the conversation and tries to take me into new territory right when I get solid footing and start digging in one spot. Even surface level scrutiny is impossible.
You should ask him why he WANTS to believe, once I find out that this belief is tied to for example, death of a loved one, terminal illness, drug addiction, etc. I immediately realize that they aren’t defending the belief itself, but the emotional connection they tie to it.
@@Lucciii32 he’s always been religious and he used it to get sober from alcoholism before I was born and it entrenched him. Just 2 days ago I finally made him question his belief after he’s been pleading his case to me for 3 years. We were texting, and he tried to use Aristotles cause and effect principles for believing in the creator. I then asked “you’re using a pre Christ greek to posit what? The Christian creator? Or just a creator? “Unmoving mover”?”. I then said he was right about a lot, but we have since thrown out what was unusable and intangible, or updated his thoughts to be more accurate. If time and time again, science corrects dogmatic principles, and all that is left is the question of creation, will you still believe in a creator? Or the Bible at all? I called my mom today after he left me on read, and he was in the room. He said “that last thing you sent really threw me”. He finally let it soak in instead of deflecting. Why his creator and not another? Or an ambiguous one? Why a creator at all? We’re going hiking tomorrow, so I’m on pins and needles about what’s next. Hopefully a deeper dive of why and what he’s protecting.
Yeah, and what about your mental gymnastics? Not even to question that this could be a troll, an actor, a mentally ill person or whatever hundred other possibilities there are. Why believe HIS presentation in a show that is demonstrably frequented by trolls, clowns and "self-promoters" of any flavor?! Because that is the EASY way and what fits into your expectations. Well, its too good to be NOT true, I guess? Without the assumption that this is real, your thoughts, your opinion, your riding on the high-horse would be pointless and ridiculous ... like you think that this guy, this stranger (yeah, he got some bans in the past ... so not really a stranger, but rather a well know character) is. Well, let's just agree that the presentation of the caller wasn't that good, entertaining or professional. Not as a believer. Not as an actor. And in no way as a troll. He was boring as the non existing hell. If there wasn't be Matt getting mad(hehe) from time to time, this wouldn't have had the entertaining value of a kindergarten level fremdschämerei (Second hand embarrassment):P
@@roems6396 i sat through most of it for a second time because I’ve seen it before but this was re uploaded 8 days ago and i thought he got unbanned again and this was part 3. It’s super frustrating to hear him try to escape every single question, makes you wonder why he calls in at all if he doesn’t want to have a conversation. Then at the end it’s revealed he’s probably a troll
@@spookish4167He isn't trolling. He can just see where the holes in his argument are and he's trying very hard to dodge them, so the conversation never goes anywhere.
@Atheistme to a degree. Anyone who's been watching him for a long time can tell that he's lost most of his patience. I love him so much but he does lack a lot of patience. I'm glad forrest was here today
I love Forrest being a kid in a candy shop trying to pick this drivel apart and play in it vs Matt just being 100% done with it 😂 edit: WELL THIS CALL TOOK A TURN, MY MAN FUCKED GOD
Give him another 5 years he'll be as pissed off as Matt... I've seen Matt early in his atheist experience career, he was happy and excited to have the conversations too. Hell look at Eric Murphy, it hasn't been 5 years yet and he's already angry lol. I don't blame them either... I don't even talk to these morons all the time and I can't even be as nice as Matt after decades of doing this! Honestly they're really too nice to these freaks
@@scottc1857 Same. I remember when he didn't have any white hair. Glad he is still doing this and becoming that curmudgeonly old man that already knows what you're going to say. And has the answer. It makes me laugh as I age and become like this, as well. Everyone thinks their thoughts are new and slam dunks. They ain't.
@@scottc1857 I been saying it for years people like Matt and Aron have indescribable patience for these people. I wanted Matt to hang up on buddy 2min in🤣
I can almost guarantee that Matt took this call because he knows how good of an educator Forrest is. I heard the original call that got him banned. No way Matt takes his call again other than to let Forrest try to educate him and the listeners who think the way he does.
@@GSP-76 I'm not convinced this guy will be back at all. Doesn't feel at all fair to have a guy who seems to be experiencing something of genuine medical significance represent anyone's beliefs, including his own. I'm not trying to be an asshole and say "oh, he's religious he must have da brain wormz," here. Like, believing there is a God is relatively normal. Believing that there is a God and you know Them personally isn't really even all that strange; given that at least one of the world's most popular religions asserts that very thing you'd expect some people to genuinely believe it. Believing there is a God who is also your housemate and exclusive romantic and/or sexual partner is something *_very_* different.
@Amigo21189 perhaps this call was the first real clue that the caller needs psychiatric help. Both Matt & Forrest seem genuinely shocked that the caller claimed to have a sxual relationship with God.
I could only handle 10 minutes of this. I honestly don't know how any of the hosts of The Line do this. Kudos to you guys for having such patience and being able to make sense of the callers nonsense.
Correction; Forrest futilely attempted to promote an impossible miracle - thinking. Through my bed buddy, all things are possible - excluding thinking.
@@michaelwoodsdale460 I dont think cog dis played a part for the dude. He arrived, committed ignorance to preach and had no intention of respectful discussion.
"I have a claim of something that I learned from this book." "Ok, can you prove your claim?" "Definitely. The things this book says are the proof." "But how do I know the book is accurate?" "Because the claim from the book is accurate based on what the book tells me." 🤦🤦♂️🤦♀️
What makes me laugh, correction what makes me cry is the fact atheist humanist severely mutilate their children because they believed in face without a shred of physical evidence that their children have a brain of a different gender in their body. What makes it even worse is not only do they not have physical evidence, a physical criteria of somebody being for example a transgender female they don't even have a philosophical criteria. Which of course means being a transgender woman means absolutely nothing
I never saw anyone with so much patience and sincere desire to hold someones hand though a step-by-step explanation to reach an understanding like Forrest does... but today i learned what it takes to make him quit... 35 minutes of dancing around any and all questions made...
It's the right thing to do. At least the other person got plenty of opportunity to genuinely engage. As we've seen, Bibically chose not to engage. He recognised the questions he could not answer and dodged them. At that point, it's fair to conclude that engaging the person further is a waste of everyone's time.
Well, when your caller claims to be "in a sexual relationship" with an abusive deity with a supernassive ego who's literally the worst character in all of fiction, you're kinda forced to jump back to make sure you heard right. 😂🤣
Regret is such a simple thing to understand. But the answer to the question he can't say "No" to because the bible says a thing. But the correct answer has to be yes because the bible said his God felt that thing. But if he felt that thing therefore he cannot be "perfect" or all-knowing. HOLY shit Forrest, you mad lad you put him into a bear trap.
I'm no biblical scholar but my understanding is that concept of a one true all knowing biblical God was developed after a lot of the Old Testament was written. Old Testament God was considerably messier, much like the other Gods of the region at the time. The Old Testament even implies at points that the God of the Israelites is not the only God in existence.
Such wildly different responses and personalities between Forrest and Matt and honestly I love them both No spoilers but damn the twist this takes is crazy 😂
Idk if it was before or after this call but there was the one caller that refused to claim whether Forrest was a unicorn or not and that combined with this is just amazing
@@maskedrecruit4571 I think way after. I was watching that one last week it was great 😂. Love the Forrest episodes. I believe this is an early video from this channel cause the UI is diff from the current one
This is what blind faith sounds like. No capacity of answering critical questions. Constantly asuming things. I'm sorry, I know that the rules say I have to remain respectful but I can't respect this caller. "How do you know that" is the only response he deserves. Way to go Matt & Forrest for exposing this.
@@chris9559 Not at all.the same. You.see, science actually constantly updates when new things are discovered. Things will be tested and tested again, and put to trial. Compare that to the never changing dogma of religion and you know enough. Nice try though.
@@chris9559 Hm, well, yeah. There are issues with dogmatism and blind faith in the realm of science. It could maybe be sourced from the fallibility of mankind. However, note that there is a distinct difference between the purpose of scientific literature and the purpose of religious scripture. One of them contains current knowledge, supported by evidence, always subject to change. The other contains ancient knowledge, supported by appeal to authority fallacies, purported as absolute and unchanging. A direct comparison is therefore dishonest.
@@exhxv Science is just a method, not a truth telling device. The science is fundamentally and intrinsically dependant on the honesty of the scientist. Now, when there's huge financial incentives to show a certain result you don't think scientists may just put their thumb over the results a little? Speaking of trust, do you trust History too? Did you know there's more historical evidence of Jesus's existence and his crucifixion than there is of Alexander the Great?
@@chris9559 No it's not. The reason why we have peer review and reproduction of experiment in science is because WE WANT TO BE REVIEWED. We want our reputations to be solid, because that's good for us as professionals. I get the impression that you're unfamiliar with this level of integrity in your own community. No wonder you're cynical. That's unfortunate for you, and for those around you, but your anecdotal experience is not suited to generalization. (That's another reason why we use the methods of science, by the way: to control for such biases.) Of course, there are dishonest and parasitic people in all walks of life. Science is no exception. People can be overly eager, they can try to take shortcuts, or they're bad at what they do and yet fearful of being discovered. Usually they're caught quite quickly by their peers and their work is sidelined. Sometimes an honest but subtle mistake is not caught before printing publication, and the paper has to be retracted. We try to encourage this degree of forthright candor, because it benefits the field and, as the saying goes, a rising tide floats all boats. It's very rare for an important scientific result to be outright erroneous. That's because it will produce downstream inferences that sooner or later won't add up. And this is one of the reasons why we provide citations in our published work: so that it's clear where we are building on previous work that we regard as relevant and correct. If somewhere down the chain of citations something doesn't add up, our successors can go back and trace where the misunderstanding originated. It's a pretty good system, all in all. It has transformed human existence, as you can see all around you. I think you're just jealous.
I’m not going to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it yet, but that was a M Night Shyamalan level bombshell of a twist! I don’t think I’ve ever been so mentally derailed by anything that hard in my life!
Shit dropped harder than any other track I've ever heard and it almost sounded like the boys were gonna go right past him saying it This dude is a fantastic troll, hats off to him
Caller says he has a sexual relationship with god and you don’t use it as a clickbait…. My deepest respects to the producer
I missed that part.
@@GodKitty677 I came to the comments section specifically because of that part. It's around minute 28-29 that he mentions it.
To think about it, An atheist couldn't exist....where as an agnostic says I don't know, an atheist couldn't know either side science or God...Science doesn't prove anything only makes discoveries and there are nearly infinite things that science doesn't know and the amount of flaws that we will run into will make the process of discovery much much longer.....and then the "atheist" doesn't believe in God and only has their limited understanding of our reality
That came out of left frigin field!!!
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This caller is positive proof that religion robs the brain of reason and logic.
He just works off a script.
No wonder this guy is normally banned. You just can not have a conversation with this person
What it actually does is engage the emotions, and keep bypassing the cortex. Religion is based on emotion. The caller takes a book called Bible as evidence, when it is only a piece of literature. Literature is creative writing, not history or science.
it's crazy
@@thettguy It seems to me that you're giving him too much credit.
For a being that operates in mysterious ways, Christians sure seem to know exactly what God thinks or wants.
Excellent point!
😂😂😂
They've cracked the code. In their head. If you join, you get to be a cracker, too.
My favorite part is that everything is in his plan but they have no idea what this plan's goal is so they couldn't possibly determine which actions are part of said plan or even if said plan was good or evil. So, so unbelievably dumb.
@@pascalsimioli6777 And then they pray to this God to do stuff, when he already has a plan. Which implies that they're probably asking for something that isn't part of his plan.
"HOW MANY FUCKING MINTS ARE IN MY FUCKING RIGHT HAND RIGHT NOW" gets me every time
Depends what you mean by mint.
That is why Matt showed a mint in the left hand, but the caller pulled the definition trick anyway. Holy shit. If it isn't medical condition, then I don't know what is.
@@Jamie0789 lmao I read this before he answered,I thought this was just a joke I can't believe he actually said that 😂
"Is God a top or a bottom?" Thank you for that laugh Forrest, I fucking needed it. Love you, man!
My wig was SNATCHED when he said this 😂😂😂
So this guy and God are gay ?
@@moobooSF OR maybe ♫God is a girl♫.... :D
Best line in whole video
Dudesareoname 6:9 I am the top and the bottom, the dominate and submissive.
Multiple times you can ALMOST hear the caller’s brain snap into reality, then he shakes his head violently to make the “no-no” thoughts go away and he spouts more assertions.
Don’t do the Bible, boys and girls.
There is nothing more harmful and dangerous to the human brain than the bible.
This is how ur brain looks when u bible, worse than eggs on a frying pan.
Cognitive dissonance.
"To discuss Lord of The Rings you have to presuppose that Sauron exists".
@@marasmusine are you saying Bilbo wasn’t divinely inspired to write, “There and Back Again”?
@@marasmusine are you saying Bilbo wasn’t divinely inspired to write, “There and Back Again”?
He literally can not answer a question honestly if it causes him doubt. His defensive coping is absolute perfection.
Can you imagine his channel?? Dude is supposively a youtuber. So does he just insist he's right in a monotone over & over lol??? I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon them watch that sh^t.
@Loriana Banana might be good to fall asleep to if I wasn't afraid it would give me nightmares
Define "Perfection" LOL
@Ken North the only trap is his own brain, being trapped in insanity.
All he knows is his pre-rehearsed script and anything that diverts from that panics him.
someone saying they have a sexual relationship with god was not on my bingo card for 2024.
shits wild
God is his right hand!
He's a Faith + 1 groupie. Loves getting on his knees to please the lord.
@@garyt123😂😂😂😂
_That_ was a clear manifestation of religious psychosis…👀👀👀
Nothing is surprising after people electing Trump.
…unless of course it happens again. Finally though we could all finally prove there is no god because what god would allow a piece of fecal matter to run a part of the world?
Especially after shitting all over the world once already. A god wouldn’t allow him to rule the first time.
Then again a large part of american fundamental christians believe he’s a good leader and even chosen by god… clearly god is losing his marbles in his old age. He’s got to be up there in age, right?
he’s is over 13 billion years old. There’s no hate like fundamental christian love. WWjD?
He would vote american. Because this is america(even though I’m not american or in america. Thank god!)
But america is for americans who speak American and non of this Ching Chong Wing Wong
The way he does not answer questions is so consistent that I think he perfectly understands how ridiculous his beliefs are.
Yep, he knows answering the questions honestly would show contradictions so he avoids it.
I like how he avoids the questions but keeps saying he will address the points and then just repeats himself. Lol
Love the channel, mate!
@@Niatnuom_Esiotrot
Wow, that’s a pretty sick mindset, and (sadly) probably represents the majority of theist debaters. They don’t actually care about what is being said against their claims. They just want to get their claims out there.
Ever watch a flat earth "debate?" Flat earthers do the same thing. It will take them two hours to respond the exact same way to everything.
Forrest does what Biblically hates: Sticking to one question until it's answered.
@@lightbeforethetunnelThey never offer anything of value, spend far more time trying to talk over their debate opponents, and only ever see success against those inexperienced in debate. Of all the people you could champion, you picked an incredibly weak option.
@brodythomas9715 He has debated over a dozen PhDs by the way. They didn't have any answers for the questions either, so it's not true that presups like Darth only see success against inexperienced debaters at all.
The argumentation of Presup is not his. Its something he learned.
So, it's not as though this is something he came up with.
He's just one presupper of many, and not the best out there by any means.
He's just the most stubborn and abrasive about sticking with one question until it's answered like the OP says.
@@lightbeforethetunnellol darth dawkins ‘debates’ 😂
@mattg5802 The word "debate" just means to dispute. Merriam-Webster defines it as a contention by words. So, any time anyone disputes anything anyone else has said, whether it be oral or written, he/she is "debating" that person.
You're likely conflating the word "debate" with "formal debate," as I've noticed many atheists do for some reason. You are thinking, in your mind, that Darth Dawkins does not engage in "formal debates" (which does not entail he does not engage in debates)
@@lightbeforethetunnel The problem with Gary Milne is that his questions are nonsensical, as Graham Oppy noted when he spoke with him.
I'm a teacher and consider myself to be a pretty patient guy, but I honestly don't know how these two tolerated that utter nonsense. Credit to them as I was losing it with him.
You’re a teacher? Awesome! What do you teach?
It is nonsense to someone who is not capable og comprehending
probably because this guy is likely literally actually mentally ill lol
@@purelyrandom1230 of comprehending what?
@@frosticoof2892 just like you, incapable of comprehending. Try to think from time to time for yourself
I cannot believe talking to someone like this. 30 minutes to answer a yes or no question about something he believes in.
It’s so hard to debate a person like this because they aren’t even making coherent sentences. They believe that if they pepper their language with Biblical quotes than they must be making sense and being very intelligent. It’s bizarre.
It's hard to debate people like Matt and florist up because they're so intellectually dishonest. Atheist won't even admit that atheism is a disbelief. Which means of course even if God was proven by the scientific method and atheist still wouldn't have the ability or willingness to accept God as true.
It's always the same thing with these intellectually dishonest atheist they never wanted debate the logic of a creative versus a non intelligent occurrence being responsible for the origins of Life. Matter of fact I've yet to meet an atheist that believes the origins of Life came into existence without God and could provide evidence to why they believe that. Including atheist who just said God doesn't exist.
Atheist like Matt won't even admit the superiority of Christian civilization AKA modern Western Civilization versus atheistic human civilization AKA communism. People like Matt will actually argue that atheist acuminous Godless Utopias have nothing to do with atheist ecumenism including officially atheistic States like North Korea Korea
If you're not willing to acknowledge any truths about atheism what's the use of arguing.
All the atheist wants to do is debate somebody's faith-based claims in the nature of God spiritual beliefs and demand physical evidence for spiritual claims it's ridiculous it's equivalent to the following.
It's equivalent to an atheist human is saying I have faith that my child has a brain of a different gender in their body
And then my coming to them and saying well you have to demonstrate it with physical evidence.. the moment they said they believe in faith tells us they can't demonstrate it with physical evidence.
The difference between the faith-based beliefs of a Christian and the faith-based beliefs of an atheist is the faith-based belief of a Christian has resulted in the greatest civilization in the history of mankind Modern Western Civilization. Whereas the faith-based belief of the atheist humanist has resulted in their children being severely mutilated, mentally ill, suicidal way more likely to use drugs be homeless. Way more likely to get HIV way more likely to be both victims and victimizers of both child and adult rape. And the atheist unwillingness or inability to accept God is true has resulted in the worst civilization in the history of mankind, communism.
Yeah this drives me mad. 😅
Exactly! These "God" believers just keep talking in circles and think they are proving their point when, in fact, they are just sounding more and more stupid!
I know it's a stereotype, but this is the perfect occasion for the analogy of playing chess with a pidgeon
Religion poisons everything. A debate is off the table, as the god fkr cannot participate in a conversation (how do you define conversation?), and maybe spending a lifetime with his head up his ass or living on the bottom the world with all the blood filling his head that is pointing down might be a mitigating factor.
This caller knows God's kinks.
When Theist ask Atheist to "stop making fun" of them... and this guy shows up, how can anyone NOT make fun of this?
Truthfully, an atheist is a pile of rubbish who is only good for the mockery he receives from God. Trust me, he is a vengeful God.
To be fair I don't believe most beleviers would claim him. At the same time man he is dumb and funny.
The god of the Bible has a praise kink, we already knew this
It's hard to tell if he's an incredible troll, or just a very weird idiot.
Poe's Law in action.
Hey you are a brave guy making fun of Biblically. I mean it's one thing to diss a guys spouse you run the risk of getting a solid punch to the jaw, but this guy's spouse is friggin God.
It's sickening to acknowledge that we live amongst these people, and it's not just a few of them.
This dude is an A+ hilarious troll.
For a second I thought I’d already watched this because I glanced at your pic and thought it was mine. 😂
and they all vote republican, this should scare us.
@@bleumeanyontherampage2136 so you want a single party system?
@@Obiwannabe Oh yes, pdf file atheists absolutely want stalin back, no doubt
"I swear to god if you change the meaning of the word "mint" to mean something else, I'm gonna lose it"
"it depends what you mean by "mint""
my sides are out of orbit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
- How do you know God exists?
- Because he's all powerful!
- How do you know he's all powerful?
- Because he's eternal!
- How do you know he's eternal?
- Because he's absolute!
- How do you know he's absolute?
- Because he's all loving!
- How do you know he's all loving?
- Because he's all good!
- How do you know he's all good?
- Because the bible says so...
Is basically what I concluded from this... It's just straight up hilarious.
- How do you know the bible is accurate?
- Because the bible is God's word!
And the cycle starts all over again... Or some say "I have faith" as if faith is a reliable method of ascertaining what is true and what isn't.
W gza pfp
- How do you know the bible is trustworthy?
- Because me and God get naughty in the bushes
The circular double talk makes me nuts! This guy has repeatedly said these same words to convince others!
I remember this hymn from church
28:42 "is God a top or a bottom?" Forrest making my day as always 💀💀💀
God is a power top, but he can roleplay as Jesus to be a submissive bottom. He turns many other cheeks
God is actually a power bottom, which is a bottom that generates a TREMENDOUS amount of power.
@@pastlife960 Would God be considered an all-powerful bottom?
@@TheDahaka1 that's nasty horrible..
@@RebbeYehoshuahLamberti Not as horrible as inventing hell 😜
Biblically: The comedy gift that keeps on giving
Class! haha
Comedy and slavery and lotsa blood. Good stuff lol
🤦♀️How embarrassment!!! 😂 Biblically is Australian. 🇦🇺
This coming from the people that's severely mutilated their children because they believe in faith the children have a brain of a different gender in their body
He needs to be in a mental institution. It's that simple really...
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
-- Voltaire
The look on Forrest's face when the caller brings up his sexual relationship with God is priceless.
In that moment, we were all Forrest.
@@MonkeyAtTypewriter haha Indeed, Forrest without the inconvenience of being on camera at that moment.
I wonder if he pitches or catches. 😂😂
…and just the difference between Matt and Forrest. Forrest: amused astonishment Matt: been here, heard that 😆
I still can't believe there weren't some follow up questions to that bombshell.
I damn neared cried from laughing after he was actually claiming to have a sexual relationship with god
Liked Forrest comment is God top or bottom
Seeing how God is generally depicted as bearded old guy wouldn't that make both the caller and God gay ?
@@juhanipolvi4729 laughed out loud at this, thank you
@@juhanipolvi4729 god is Santa and you 🤡s have it all wrong, thall shall repent for being naughty
He's the Australian flat earth guy🤣🤣☮️🌏
"I have a sexual relationship with God" must be the wildest thing ever said by a caller on this channel and there's some stiff competition.
“Stiff” competition, I see what you did there 😂😉
This is the same guy who debated TJump that "shapes proves God, and colors proves Jesus." Nothing is off the table.
I don't know if it was here or on AXP but a guy said he didn't know if satellites were real cause he couldn't see them
One guy at AxP really called in to argue that slavery and genocide were good things because the bible condones it. That was baffling
Physical matter has height, depth, and width therefore god is real! Wow, how did I miss that! I’m sold guys. I’m a believer now.
"Is God a top or bottom?" 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for that laugh, Forrest! I needed that after listening to the insanity coming out of my fellow Aussie's mouth!
I’m genuinely concerned by Matt’s lack of reaction to this line. Perhaps I’m not as mature as he, but Matt DID beautifully point out that bananas fit in the ass.
God certainly pretends to be and wants to be a top, but is actually a bottom ... he tries too hard ...
You should be in the sisters Act, may God have mercy on your soul
@kencress3665 what the fudk are you talking about, you dolt
@@kencress3665 isn't that a musical? I think i watched it at some point in highschool... kinda boring tbh
Forrest is so good at talking with people.
Yeah if/when Forrest gets a chance. Matt is 'good' at using Strong's concordance (the worst 'lexicon' in the universe) which he thankfully did not use.
@@gmac6503 I think you should touch grass
@@gmac6503pretty sure the worst lexicon is an empty one
@@PlayzieBum g makes a good point. Strong's concordance has one major weakness which is that it accepts a received translation as a definition of the word being translated. It also allows single-instance translations to stand unchallenged. (If you need an explanation of what that looks like, it would be like if I wrote a book about cheese and it was translated into French (for example) and in ONE verse, the translators replaced 'cheese' with 'meat' and their justification for that was that SOMETIMES that word is translated that way, and their EVIDENCE of that assertion was the one time they translated 'cheese' as 'meat'.)
Strong's concordance can be a very helpful tool, but it's full of both those kinds of issues.
@@denverarnold6210 much admiration for Strong who did all that by hand, but it is pre-kindergarten. If one does not know Greek, you will know immediately when the person brings out Strongs concordance. It is practically useless.
This guy is a perfect example of how deadly brainwashing can be.
Do you think his complete inability to discuss things rationally is a result of the brainwashing of his religious indoctrination? I tend to think this is just how it is. I have a few christian friends that do not in any way share his affliction.
@@AlDunbar not everyone is like this but a hell of a lot (pin intended) certainly are. They simply refuse to believe in anything logical even when it directly refutes their beliefs in front of their own eyes...this guy thinks he has a sexual relationship with God. He's beyond reproach.
@@AlDunbar You can assume that all Evangelical Christians alone are like that because they waited and found Trump their entire lives to brain wash them more
This is exactly the same thing I wanted to say. Perfect example of utter religious brainwashing. Absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever…!!! Sad and painful to listen to this caller.
He is also a victim of listening to his own inner monologue word salad for years. It's amazing the towers ppl can build with hollow bricks.
LOL. Forrest was DEEP inside this callers head! LOL. The caller didn't know what to think! Nicely done. I'm a new subscriber.
The difference between Matt's reaction and Forrest's is extreme, and an endless source of joy.
Forest sometimes reminds me of a Labrador Retriever.
I think it's because Matt has been doing this long enough to know when people are not arguing in good faith, whereas Forrest is more optimistic and wants to engage honestly
@@matthewpopow6647 I agree, Forrest is a Labrador and Matt is a Pit Bull. 😂😅🦮🐕🦺
Forrest needs to take notes. Matt keys in on dishonesty super quick, and is right to hang up. That's why I miss him from The AE. Hanging up on liars that will never be honest, allows more time for more productive, and subsequently entertaining, conversations.
When Dillahunt states he's going to opt out, he needs to make good on that undertaking.
The show's the better for his absence.
I love the contrast between Matt's and Forrest's approach. You have Forrest trying to lead the conversation patiently, breaking everything down perfectly for the caller to understand. And then when the caller deflects, Matt furiously asks him to stop beating around the bush and answer the question. It's like good cop bad cop and it's hilarious to see at work
Indeed two opposite approaches each impressive in its own right.
Beating around the burning bush
2 against one. How very brave of them. Id hope they would take the same handicap 😆
@@belisarian6429 ah yesh 2 against one a truly fair fight. Impressive how they donaminated there own program here.
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 yes, they absolutely would, and they would still emerge victorious with full composure. It was the caller's choice to appear on the show, full well knowing he would be scrutinized by 2 people. He would've come more prepared if he was being smart.
I've never laughed harder than hearing Forrest ask "Is God a top or a bottom?"
A+ 10/10 happy pride everyone
I laughed when Forrest predicted the changing mint definition. Worth waiting for!
God is the top, Jesus is the bottom, and the Holy Spirit is the Lube.
@@w4rsh1p The holy trinity is a gay love triangle, case closed
That was brilliant. This guy is the meat in a biblical love sandwich.
@heartsthekitteh6239 so like a human centipede eating its own ass.
Forrest “I swear to god if you change the meaning of mint….”
Biblical “It depends what you mean by mint…” 🤦♂️ There’s no hope for this guy!
Defintion of regret - Taking this guy's call!!!
I absolutely lost it when Forrest asked if God was a top or bottom. Unfortunately, like almost all the other questions he was asked it went unanswered
Very disrespectful out of line. If you think that's ok well your gross
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 Wait what? How?
God's a needy, jealous, overemotional bottom in denial.
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 you're absolutely right, everyone knows that by virtue of being omniscient God has had the experience of being both a Top and a Bottom, the only logical conclusion is that God is a Switch. cant believe the disrespect of someone not recognizing this reality by even bothering to ask the question.
@@luckyduckydaisyflower2344 So you're going to lob insults instead of answering the question? Who's gross now?
Caller: unicorns are not absolute perfection
Forrest: Yes they are! 😂
They are phallic symbols 🦄
They absolutely are, that was blasphemy. 😂🦄
@@PastelOddity Exactly! What other creature poops out rainbow sherbet. Unicorns need to be protected at all costs.
@@Z-one1000an image of a unicorn and Lucifer should go right on the atheistic humanist LGBT flag. Right next to the sickle and Hammer.....
@@Z-one1000 Unicorns don't need our protection, remember, they are omniscient and omnipotent and the rainbow sherbet is the most delicious in the universe.
At 4:48 I got a “Hey there, I was wondering if you would pray with me real quick” ads 😂😂😂
I love that he never just says 'I don't know'. This is his core trait for me and what probably led him to being the zealot he appears to be. He must know everything.
"A wise man knows what he does not know. A fool knows everything."
@@BiffTannerThere is no proof of "I don't know"?
@@BiffTanner That was a question, not a claim.
@@BiffTanner How is a question a claim, did you miss the question mark?
@@kirklarson4536 dunning kruger
I’m so very appreciative of this show. It’s helped me FINALLY quiet the scared voice of the little girl I used to be who still believed in hell. Thank you so much.
Hell is real. Hell is if you have a bad life. Paradise is if you had a good life.
Give my vid “An Atheist Vow” a quick look to read Ingersoll’s freedom of hell thoughts, etc.
@@epsteinsnecktie8690 : I watch everything about the Knights Templar. What are your opinions if they are actually now the Freemasons looking to take down the Catholic Church?
@@epsteinsnecktie8690 nah
@@GraveyardThought sure!
Nothing screams perfection more than getting angry at people for doing exactly what you knew they would do. And then torturing them forever.
The buy-bull is a tool the rich and powerful have used to threaten, oppress, and control others.
The buy-bull makes it easy: because the cruel and abusive character of "god", held up as an example of who (and therefore, which behavioral traits) should be admired, mimicked, and worshipped, matches _who you would have to be_ in order to violently force and coerce others to abandon their boundaries and consent in order to survive you, via unwilling obedience and submission.
Indeed, no perfection. Yet the idea of hell does match *perfectly* to illustrate the kind of being we'd be talking about, if were god real.
...or putting a special tree in the middle of the Garden for the sole purpose of causing sin.
@@christasimon9716 And with the knowledge god has, we're basically worse than babies.
"Let me just place my 2 babies on top of the stove and when they touch the one hot coil, I'LL THREATEN THEIR ENTIRE LINEAGE WITH ETERNAL TORTURE, MAKE CHILD BIRTH WORSE FOR THE WOMEN, AND SHORTEN THEIR ALREADY PUNY LIVES!"
(Caps = God maniacally putting fingertips together as he yells into ether pre-creation)
Theists will say that their god gave humans "free will", because he didn't want a bunch of robots.
@@jim.h It's more fun to torture someone that suffers, I guess.
It has been years since I've seen Matt, great to see you folks still making incredible and hilarious content. First time seeing Forrest, hilarious.
“How many penguins, biblically, are living in my ear right now” 😂
Literally the best line I’ve ever heard in a debate about god in my entire life.
Can somebody please put that on a t-shirt and start selling them on the internet.
😂
I love how Forrest asking about regret seems to break this guy for a bit.
It is SUCH a good question.
I’ve never heard this particular line used before and I’m loving it.
I see why Matt banned that dude. I wish I had Forrest’s patience.
That's why I could never be an educator, things like this isn't something that can be educated away. There is nothing you can teach them, even those that would pretend to agree with you do not flinch from their denial of observable reality at any point.
I've tried, but it took about three tries and it didn't make a dent.
Forest is experienced. Instead of allowing the theist to rable on in circles, Forest just picked a topic that contradicts God's superpower with logic.
I wonder whether Forrest will have as much patience as he currently does when he’s been doing this as long as Matt has.
I wonder why they ever unbanned this guy. He obviously needs psychic help, not being allowed back to the show to be ridiculed more.
@@sfprivateer Psychics aren’t real, but he definitely needs psychological help.
"If I go to make a sandwich but God doesn't want me to" 😅
The God of MY Bible HATES sandwiches
This is the same as arguing with a demented patient, one never wins.
If not for thinking they are fucking God he's no different than any other extreme Christian
Yes he sounds like he has completely abandoned his meds
Don't talk about urself like that
A prime example of someone who is trained to look for the 'trap' from atheists in every single statement. I remember getting that training when I was being indoctrinated as well. Love watching you guys!
Most of them will never understand that they're already in the trap because their beliefs are the trap. We don't have to trap them, we're not even trying to trap them, if anything the only reason we keep insisting on having these conversations is because we're trying to dislodge them from the trap!
Now functionally to them this looks like every single thing we say or question we ask being the trap itself.
But that's because they've been convinced that they will literally be tortured forever by their god if we succeed in getting them out of the god trap that has them imprisoned.
The true irony is that if they had a good argument to begin with, it would be darn near impossible to actually trap them in the first place. The fact that they have to look out for those 'gotcha' moments at every turn only further disproves their beliefs.
@@Crystan there's a reason why these religions depend heavily on laws against criticism and other extremely heavy handed stuff
I think the funniest thing that they think is a gotcha trap is when atheists genuinely ask "why would god put the forbidden tree there" they get all smug like the answer is obvious but anytime you get them to actually try to respond they truly can't without making 1000 mental gymnastics
@@davidkonevky7372he put the tree there to represent that we have a choice: to obey God or disobey God
I don’t understand how people like this guy function in society.
Are we certain he does?
27:53 “I am the perfect spouse of god, god touches the side of my head and gives me feelings” didn’t know I had to take this guy any LESS seriously that I already was
The shameless lover is better than the loveless mocker who only understands to pervert and destroy.
Yeah, this caller has serious issues.
I really love seeing Forrest completely befuddled.
I know right 😂😂
“Matter is irreducibly complex”
*Forrest’s spine snaps from confusion*
😂😂😂
This was hilarious..
Forrest's systematic dismantling of the callers claims was spectacular.
Then a sexual relationship with Gawd entered (and everything went to hell)...
sadly it is very easy to lead people like "Biblically" by the hand to all the poiints where their faith based world model breaks apart and makes no longer sense. And yet they will not learn the important message from this, that they are unduly confident in their mental idea of the faith, because it HAS such logical gaps.
I haven’t gotten to that part in the video so this out of context sounds absolutely buckwild 😂😂
The truly scary part is this guy can vote. He actually has the ability to affect who runs the country.
This caller is mind-numbing. How the guys can be that patient with him is remarkable. Wow.
and Yet a top-notch apologist with their very best arguments. LOL
Its called BRAINWASHED by the church
There is no argument for you to be in heaven without Christ. You are here to destroy and shall live in it, constantly.
@@justice8718 what?😂
@@jasmijnariel Christ is the way, the truth and the life. The only way to heaven.
By default, everything else is a lie, and is only the way to death.
Forrest is such a golden boi, I'm so happy we have him.
He's a cringe redditor
@@JohnnyNada says the incel who adds nothing to comments.
Person: so, is it raining outside?
Caller: So, you're referencing the fact that there was water in the sea of Galilee, and bringing up the idea of the Gadarene Swine, and attempting to talk about the existence of demons.
Person: I... just want to know if I need an umbrella.
Caller: That means that you're discussing the apostle Judas.
Haha, nailed it John. 😂
😂Brilliant!
Thanks for making me laugh.😅😅
Forrest, “I just want a straight answer to the question.”
Oh Forrest, you sweet summer child
The irony in Bibliballs complaining to Forrest about him switching the topic… so precious.
Well that wasn’t in his script
"Can god regret a decision?". Narrator: At that point the caller did regret not hanging up. But instead continued on with a whole bunch of nonsense about regret and context. Meanwhile, miles away, a tornado wiped out 20 people. And a train accident in India another 280.
@@Mitsoxfan …and we’re all still comfortable with what a penguin holding a mint would look like.
@@Mitsoxfan such a powerful God lol, he must of been having a really bad day lol, religion = control of people stupid people. 😁
Haven't you heard? Religious ppl can do everything they tell you not to do.
Forrest has this insane capability of “killing me softly”. He holds into a point like a bulldog n slowly and softly but surely drills down😂👌
low key those last 7 words got me hot and bothered cuz it's about Forrest. Intelligence + smooooth ass voice + shmexy looking hair + that devilishly handsome smile and face = Daddy Forrest. And we all know why his name is Forrest, daddy got so much wood he could repopulate the world in one generation
"Wait did you just say you have a sexual relationship with god?"
"Yes, but I havent felt his full power"
lmao someone find this guy a partner, also i love Forrest's second to process what was said xD
edit: I was laughing too hard to check my grammar when i wrote the comment
This is legit an exchange that would happen with Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
"Yes but i haven't felt his full power"??
Somebody is hungry for some divine action...
27:50
I thought that to ,, maybe we were just dreaming
Matt's reaction killed me, the man went from no interest to 💯% in a quarter second!
my god almighty, that conversation about regret... the caller knows he has no leg to stand on, but still he persists
I love how Forrest has such an exquisite ability to break down the arguments.
"Is god a top or a bottom?" Thank you Forrest, I almost spit coffee all over my laptop.
There needs to be a disclaimer at the start of this video for those people who have suicidal or homicidal thoughts, because listening to 10-15 minutes of this guy, will definitely push one over the edge!
😭😭 for the amount of cognitive dissonance this caller experienced, he may need suicide prevention of his own
Are you sure? Possibly only when you IDENTIFY or empathize with this guy. And that is self inflicted harm. For adults who can give consent ... Why not?
I am absolutely okay with this guy. He is an adult. We have to respect his choice: With such an attitude and self chosen immaturity (his over-exaggerated defense mechanism against EVERYTHING ... which is absurd ... and is possibly a thing for psychiatrists and not our business here on UA-cam), he will never get a job beyond low level payment, possibly will not have a chance to spread his genes (and STFU, no one of you effing nazis knows how the offspring will be! The upbringing may be terrible ... like "hell", which is a nice pun) or have any chance to see the wonderfulness of the real world.
Oh and BTW, like the original poster, I am joking of course! My satire just addresses us viewers. How can we have the default position that this(this circus, travesty, nonsense portrayed by the caller) utter BS is real? On a platform full of actors with the intention and purpose of ENTERTAINMENT and in a world full of mad acting people and ... **drumroll** actors, trolls and hobby comedians (like f.e. me:P ).
Well and to address the original posters concern: If you have that much media-competence that you are unable to close the viewer, press the off-button on your device or switch to do something that you actually like ... then ... just do "it". We are all better off without you!:P
And as this is the internet, full of moro.., I have to explicitly state that my statement of dark humor makes fun of the original posters ignorance of the point (or punchline, "Pointe" in German, hehe) that we viewers can simply turn off that BS. Even long before "10-15 minutes":)
For real thoughts of that kind, please contact REAL institutions and qualified people that can help. The mention of "real" does make sense, believe me:) You will find hotlines, victim protection and prevention assistance organizations for your country with a simple online search or by asking your (family) doctor. Please don't end yourself. Not because of such callers, not because of our bad jokes .... don't do it. Tomorrow the world may be still effed up ... and even worse ... but possibly in a nicer way, or from a prettier viewing angle!:)
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This demonstrates the depth of the religious infection plaguing humanity.
It’s so fascinating hearing him try so hard to pre-jump wherever he thinks the traps are going to be. I’ve never been able to hear brain synapse joints pop while someone’s doing mental gymnastics before. You can tell he feels he has all the answers and anything you are throwing at him has the potential to pierce straight through the veil. My religious dad does the same thing when we speak. I can see and hear where he thinks I’m trying to take the conversation and tries to take me into new territory right when I get solid footing and start digging in one spot. Even surface level scrutiny is impossible.
You should ask him why he WANTS to believe, once I find out that this belief is tied to for example, death of a loved one, terminal illness, drug addiction, etc. I immediately realize that they aren’t defending the belief itself, but the emotional connection they tie to it.
@@Lucciii32 he’s always been religious and he used it to get sober from alcoholism before I was born and it entrenched him. Just 2 days ago I finally made him question his belief after he’s been pleading his case to me for 3 years. We were texting, and he tried to use Aristotles cause and effect principles for believing in the creator. I then asked “you’re using a pre Christ greek to posit what? The Christian creator? Or just a creator? “Unmoving mover”?”. I then said he was right about a lot, but we have since thrown out what was unusable and intangible, or updated his thoughts to be more accurate. If time and time again, science corrects dogmatic principles, and all that is left is the question of creation, will you still believe in a creator? Or the Bible at all?
I called my mom today after he left me on read, and he was in the room. He said “that last thing you sent really threw me”.
He finally let it soak in instead of deflecting. Why his creator and not another? Or an ambiguous one? Why a creator at all?
We’re going hiking tomorrow, so I’m on pins and needles about what’s next. Hopefully a deeper dive of why and what he’s protecting.
Yeah, and what about your mental gymnastics? Not even to question that this could be a troll, an actor, a mentally ill person or whatever hundred other possibilities there are. Why believe HIS presentation in a show that is demonstrably frequented by trolls, clowns and "self-promoters" of any flavor?! Because that is the EASY way and what fits into your expectations. Well, its too good to be NOT true, I guess? Without the assumption that this is real, your thoughts, your opinion, your riding on the high-horse would be pointless and ridiculous ... like you think that this guy, this stranger (yeah, he got some bans in the past ... so not really a stranger, but rather a well know character) is.
Well, let's just agree that the presentation of the caller wasn't that good, entertaining or professional. Not as a believer. Not as an actor. And in no way as a troll. He was boring as the non existing hell. If there wasn't be Matt getting mad(hehe) from time to time, this wouldn't have had the entertaining value of a kindergarten level fremdschämerei (Second hand embarrassment):P
this was both frustrating and hillarious. absolute classic call
You sat through the whole thing? I had to stop about halfway. It’s like banging your head against a wall.
@@roems6396 i sat through most of it for a second time because I’ve seen it before but this was re uploaded 8 days ago and i thought he got unbanned again and this was part 3. It’s super frustrating to hear him try to escape every single question, makes you wonder why he calls in at all if he doesn’t want to have a conversation.
Then at the end it’s revealed he’s probably a troll
@@spookish4167He isn't trolling. He can just see where the holes in his argument are and he's trying very hard to dodge them, so the conversation never goes anywhere.
@@nevaladder he said he fucks god, that’s gotta be a troll
I started thinking....here's a half hour I can never get back...and then the caller said he's shagging god. Totally worth it.
I immediately thought of that one scene from "The Paradise: Faith" (2012) :/
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In the words of the late, great Captain Raymond Holt:
Oh, this is a very frustrating conversation.
You guys have such a nice balance. I love Forrest's patience and Matt's boundaries.
I didn't say that he didn't. But one of the things that I admire about Matt is setting healthy boundaries.
@Atheistme to a degree. Anyone who's been watching him for a long time can tell that he's lost most of his patience. I love him so much but he does lack a lot of patience. I'm glad forrest was here today
Forrest you have unbelievable level of patience, I admire you so much man😂
I love Forrest being a kid in a candy shop trying to pick this drivel apart and play in it vs Matt just being 100% done with it 😂
edit: WELL THIS CALL TOOK A TURN, MY MAN FUCKED GOD
Give him another 5 years he'll be as pissed off as Matt...
I've seen Matt early in his atheist experience career, he was happy and excited to have the conversations too.
Hell look at Eric Murphy, it hasn't been 5 years yet and he's already angry lol.
I don't blame them either... I don't even talk to these morons all the time and I can't even be as nice as Matt after decades of doing this!
Honestly they're really too nice to these freaks
@@scottc1857 Yeah. Matt's frustration in dealing with these people is clearly showing. And I don't blame him either.
@@scottc1857 Same. I remember when he didn't have any white hair. Glad he is still doing this and becoming that curmudgeonly old man that already knows what you're going to say. And has the answer. It makes me laugh as I age and become like this, as well. Everyone thinks their thoughts are new and slam dunks. They ain't.
@@gabrielmccray3457 yeah it's pretty fun
@@scottc1857 I been saying it for years people like Matt and Aron have indescribable patience for these people. I wanted Matt to hang up on buddy 2min in🤣
I hope I'm not the only one screaming at my computer, "That's not the f****** question!"
This is a good clip to show that Forrest is an educator all the way to the marrow.
I can almost guarantee that Matt took this call because he knows how good of an educator Forrest is. I heard the original call that got him banned. No way Matt takes his call again other than to let Forrest try to educate him and the listeners who think the way he does.
@@GSP-76 I'm not convinced this guy will be back at all. Doesn't feel at all fair to have a guy who seems to be experiencing something of genuine medical significance represent anyone's beliefs, including his own. I'm not trying to be an asshole and say "oh, he's religious he must have da brain wormz," here. Like, believing there is a God is relatively normal. Believing that there is a God and you know Them personally isn't really even all that strange; given that at least one of the world's most popular religions asserts that very thing you'd expect some people to genuinely believe it. Believing there is a God who is also your housemate and exclusive romantic and/or sexual partner is something *_very_* different.
@Amigo21189 perhaps this call was the first real clue that the caller needs psychiatric help. Both Matt & Forrest seem genuinely shocked that the caller claimed to have a sxual relationship with God.
“I’m god’s perfect spouse…” wowwwwwwwwww brother. 😂😂😂
He wears an apron with nothing underneath.
i cant even get an effingg earth woman :X.
“I haven’t felt his full power” p a u s e
I’m tempted to say that this guy is just a troll, but I’ve met people in real life that talk just like him.
Apparently absolute perfection does not include an ability to communicate effectively, who knew?
I love when they ask a “yes or no” question and he responds “The bible says…..etc.”
I could only handle 10 minutes of this. I honestly don't know how any of the hosts of The Line do this. Kudos to you guys for having such patience and being able to make sense of the callers nonsense.
I made it to 15 minutes. Probably because I went and got a drink during that time.
@@verbosedy9947 When even drinking isn't enough. hahaha
damn, you missed best part when he said he had a sexual relationship with god
@@TheZectorian lol no way. What time stamp?
@@Dragoon803 27:30 is when the section starts
I love when Matt goes “how do you know that?” in to oblivion. Very good approach for a caller like this.
Forrest was good here, he was throwing him off his script, making him think.
Correction; Forrest futilely attempted to promote an impossible miracle - thinking.
Through my bed buddy, all things are possible - excluding thinking.
There was no willingness to engage cognitive dissonance - he wasn’t in a place he could think
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I dont think cog dis played a part for the dude. He arrived, committed ignorance to preach and had no intention of respectful discussion.
"is god a top or a bottom" outstanding!
If God is in relationship with this dude...God is the top.
Matt and Forrest are AMAZING 🥳…please dont ever stop doing these shows 🫶🏻 and good grief Im glad I never fell for this nonsense 😳
Dream team!
"I have a claim of something that I learned from this book."
"Ok, can you prove your claim?"
"Definitely. The things this book says are the proof."
"But how do I know the book is accurate?"
"Because the claim from the book is accurate based on what the book tells me."
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Best line... "He can choose to give himself feelings." That one made me laugh.
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What makes me laugh, correction what makes me cry is the fact atheist humanist severely mutilate their children because they believed in face without a shred of physical evidence that their children have a brain of a different gender in their body. What makes it even worse is not only do they not have physical evidence, a physical criteria of somebody being for example a transgender female they don't even have a philosophical criteria.
Which of course means being a transgender woman means absolutely nothing
Wouldn’t that make God go blind?
no it was: "is god top or bottom?" that was hillarius
@@GreyM1th, God is vers, obviously; only theological hacks would claim otherwise.
I wonder if the caller is the same at his work site. Can you imagine a two hour discussion trying to get him to stock a shelf?
I never saw anyone with so much patience and sincere desire to hold someones hand though a step-by-step explanation to reach an understanding like Forrest does... but today i learned what it takes to make him quit... 35 minutes of dancing around any and all questions made...
It's the right thing to do. At least the other person got plenty of opportunity to genuinely engage. As we've seen, Bibically chose not to engage. He recognised the questions he could not answer and dodged them. At that point, it's fair to conclude that engaging the person further is a waste of everyone's time.
It also takes a man named William from Florida defending slavery.
I love the moment when he realises, he's turned up at a battle of wits, and he's completely unarmed.
“Would you start answering the question and stop looking for the trap” funniest line from the video 😂😂😂
You kidding me? Not the part where he says he's boning god?
“So pleased to learn that he’s inside me. In times of trouble he will hide me.”
Just ended up feeling sorry for him! This is so sad that someone can get that far out! Really hope he’ll get some help!
Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day.
Matt 12 minutes in: I'm done. Forrest can take over.
Narrator: But he was not done. Not by a long shot...
Well, when your caller claims to be "in a sexual relationship" with an abusive deity with a supernassive ego who's literally the worst character in all of fiction, you're kinda forced to jump back to make sure you heard right. 😂🤣
Has Matt EVER followed through with it when he passes the conch? lol
I laughed much harder than I should have at this comment
you read that in morgan freemans voice didnt you
@@Scoobydcs i did 100%
Regret is such a simple thing to understand. But the answer to the question he can't say "No" to because the bible says a thing. But the correct answer has to be yes because the bible said his God felt that thing. But if he felt that thing therefore he cannot be "perfect" or all-knowing. HOLY shit Forrest, you mad lad you put him into a bear trap.
Unfortunately, Biblically will still deny the existence of bear traps even as he's slowly bleeding out
I'm no biblical scholar but my understanding is that concept of a one true all knowing biblical God was developed after a lot of the Old Testament was written. Old Testament God was considerably messier, much like the other Gods of the region at the time. The Old Testament even implies at points that the God of the Israelites is not the only God in existence.
How can the hosts be so patient!
This caller is insufferable. Major props to Forrest for being patient.
Such wildly different responses and personalities between Forrest and Matt and honestly I love them both
No spoilers but damn the twist this takes is crazy 😂
Banned? This guy needs a weekly time slot.
Such a cute smile too
"unicorns arent a perfect being"
Forest:"yes they are 🤨"
That's such a clear point. Once we join the game of positing imaginary beings with extravagant powers, anything goes.
Idk if it was before or after this call but there was the one caller that refused to claim whether Forrest was a unicorn or not and that combined with this is just amazing
@@maskedrecruit4571 I think way after. I was watching that one last week it was great 😂. Love the Forrest episodes. I believe this is an early video from this channel cause the UI is diff from the current one
@@victoria6137 Forrest Valkai; the Perfect Unicorn. I love it.
Forrest is just so quick and has great comedic instincts. That on top of his knowledge, education, etc is just so impressive and cool 🦄
Him discussing his… relationship… hit me like a bus. Did not see that one coming.
This is what blind faith sounds like. No capacity of answering critical questions. Constantly asuming things. I'm sorry, I know that the rules say I have to remain respectful but I can't respect this caller. "How do you know that" is the only response he deserves. Way to go Matt & Forrest for exposing this.
Not that different to the people blindly "trusting the science"
@@chris9559 Not at all.the same. You.see, science actually constantly updates when new things are discovered. Things will be tested and tested again, and put to trial.
Compare that to the never changing dogma of religion and you know enough.
Nice try though.
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Hm, well, yeah. There are issues with dogmatism and blind faith in the realm of science. It could maybe be sourced from the fallibility of mankind. However, note that there is a distinct difference between the purpose of scientific literature and the purpose of religious scripture. One of them contains current knowledge, supported by evidence, always subject to change. The other contains ancient knowledge, supported by appeal to authority fallacies, purported as absolute and unchanging.
A direct comparison is therefore dishonest.
@@exhxv Science is just a method, not a truth telling device. The science is fundamentally and intrinsically dependant on the honesty of the scientist. Now, when there's huge financial incentives to show a certain result you don't think scientists may just put their thumb over the results a little? Speaking of trust, do you trust History too? Did you know there's more historical evidence of Jesus's existence and his crucifixion than there is of Alexander the Great?
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No it's not. The reason why we have peer review and reproduction of experiment in science is because WE WANT TO BE REVIEWED. We want our reputations to be solid, because that's good for us as professionals.
I get the impression that you're unfamiliar with this level of integrity in your own community. No wonder you're cynical.
That's unfortunate for you, and for those around you, but your anecdotal experience is not suited to generalization. (That's another reason why we use the methods of science, by the way: to control for such biases.)
Of course, there are dishonest and parasitic people in all walks of life. Science is no exception. People can be overly eager, they can try to take shortcuts, or they're bad at what they do and yet fearful of being discovered. Usually they're caught quite quickly by their peers and their work is sidelined. Sometimes an honest but subtle mistake is not caught before printing publication, and the paper has to be retracted. We try to encourage this degree of forthright candor, because it benefits the field and, as the saying goes, a rising tide floats all boats.
It's very rare for an important scientific result to be outright erroneous. That's because it will produce downstream inferences that sooner or later won't add up. And this is one of the reasons why we provide citations in our published work: so that it's clear where we are building on previous work that we regard as relevant and correct. If somewhere down the chain of citations something doesn't add up, our successors can go back and trace where the misunderstanding originated.
It's a pretty good system, all in all. It has transformed human existence, as you can see all around you. I think you're just jealous.
🙄Should have kept the caller banned.
Just tell him to watch these shows for some time. .
I understand you but on the other hand, let the world hear what religion does to a person has its values.
I’m not going to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it yet, but that was a M Night Shyamalan level bombshell of a twist! I don’t think I’ve ever been so mentally derailed by anything that hard in my life!
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Shit dropped harder than any other track I've ever heard and it almost sounded like the boys were gonna go right past him saying it
This dude is a fantastic troll, hats off to him
They were so done with him and Then he dropped THAT bombshell. Forrest and Matts faces came alive, interest returned, I laughed so hard.
That was a fantastic moment
Matt will literally die if the guy names another random stylistic device instead of answering