DCS GAZELL / February 2024 Flight Model
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2024
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With this video the previous video about necessary settings in the controls of the Gazzelle loses its validity.
Today we look at the new flight model of the Gazzele in terms of basic behavior during takeoff, hover and flight.
I give a recommendation which changes in the controls might be helpful.
Please note the personal circumstances, differences in different systems and make your own adjustments accordingly.
If you are new to the Gazelle, I recommend only changing the collective in the range from 80 down to 60% of the X-axis.
The Gazelle is famous for its agility and power, hence always a short aggressive flight part.
Hell of a ride, the next video is coming in a few days and shows an aggressive low level flight between buildings and other obstacles.
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Danke für das tolle Video. Man hört deine Begeisterung für Hubschrauber heraus. Habe die Gazelle lange nicht geflogen,werde es nach diesem Video aber wieder versuchen. LG Dirk
Thank you for the update - nice summary/overview...looking forward to some more Gazelle love with the updated flight model :-)
I'm glad I started on this FM. I just started DCS and have always had a love for heli's. I do fly 6 channel remotes. And understand the basic flight mechanisms. But I agree with the slow reaction to the collective. So I am going to try your setting once and see. I'm still learning. But getting there.
The Gazelle is a lot of fun again, but if you realy like to learn the basics, in my opinion, the Huey is the better model.
I startet a long time ago with RC helicopter flying bevor switching to the real ones. 👍
Thanks for this Grizzly. You have inspired me to try the Gazelle again. The old model had put me off (scoop)
There's still a lot of work to do, but yes, it's a lot of fun again.
I’m pretty comfortable with the FM as it is now. It does feel little heavy still, but it’s much more controllable and heavy is a better experience than the UFO it was a few years ago, in my mind. At least it kinda feels like it might be real, if not perfect.
I haven’t watched the full video yet, so I don’t know if this was covered but the previous FM, and I’m not sure this is a function of the FM, let’s say the previous iteration, I found the skids had dreadful stiction when landing or taking off on some surfaces. Not all, concrete and runways were fine but some ad hoc LZs in campaigns had me landing and taking off in what felt like treacle. This does seem to be improved. The stiction was easy enough to compensate for if there was no wind, but even the slightest cross wind and I’d be lucky to get the thing up or down without slamming it sideways into the dirt. Now, I’ve never flown a heli but compared to the other choppers in DCS, I found this behaviour a lot more extreme and it made the Gazelle almost impossible to use in a campaign situation where I’d be 75% through a mission and would have to roll the dice as to whether I’d have to restart or not. Every time. Anyway, this seems better now.
Ich muss schon sagen, Herr Grizzly ...
Die wieselflinke Gazelle macht von all den Kurbelflüglern am meisten Spaß.
Schönen Gruß vom Ei vom Lande. :D
Ja jetzt wieder. 🤠🧂Hat etwas gefehlt.
Love the Gazelle and was disappointed when flight characteristics changed, so much so I moved onto the KA-50. Now I prefer the KA-50 because it has a bigger weapon loadout so there's more to engage on a mission. But Yeah, Gazelle is a fun heli and probably better suited for multi-player with more options.
Hi Grizzly, I'm curious how the Gazelle flies with a full complement of weapons. I tried flying the stock campaign mission and had a really hard time getting it off the ground with standard loadout. (CptTangerine)
Hi, nice to hear from you.
Yes the Gazelle is in my opinion actuel underpowered. Not shure what the reference data are used by the programmer.
This is also recognizable on the tail rotor an it's ability to counteract torque.
The point of adjusting the axes is elementary in sim flying. We have to adapt a haptic setup to a wide variety of aircraft patterns. Every joystick, like every flight model, has its own characteristics. So a tutorial for helicopter beginners would be nice... But yes, the Gazelle is now really a great DCS helicopter.🫡
They got ir workind Dec/ Jan time, but ever since the last two DCS updates, my Gazelle in DCS is not behaviouring it rocks too much using yaw rudder which you compensate with cyclic
I can't confirm this from the little experience of a few hours flight.
I need to get deeper in the flight model, with more awareness.
But is this fair in the actual state?
The flight model is not perfect jet, but we may expect more updates and improvements.
I see the red thread points straight to the aft of the helicopter even if you are moving at a walking pace. That's an inaccuracy of the simulation, right?
Not necessarily.
I don't use the trim.
And since the Gazelle is not loaded and has little fuel, it may well be that it is front-heavy.
I haven't noticed this personally. Thanks for that.
But I would say that is correct and speaks in favour of the model
@@lowlevelheaven Ok, not sure if I'm misunderstanding. The thread is pointing about 90 degrees from the ground straight towards the back of the aircraft.
I'd assume that the downdraft would not allow for that at such low speeds.
Am I getting something wrong? Thanks
@@heinzriemann3213 hallo.
Damit wir nicht aneinander vorbei reden. Gerne in Deutsch.
@@lowlevelheaven Ja so ist's besser 😄 Der Faden sollte doch nicht stramm nach hinten zeigen. Schließlich kommt der Rotorwind von oben und Flugwind von vorne ist bei Schleichfahrt marginal.
Daher sieht mir das Verhalten des Fadens suspekt aus.
@@heinzriemann3213 Sorry. Ich stand voll auf dem Faden.
Da hast du natürlich Recht, bei langsamen Geschwindigkeiten domminiert der Luftstrom vom Rotor und der Faden spring wild hin und her. Eben wie eine Fahne im Wind.
Dies in DCS zu simulieren ist wohl letztendlich neben dem Verständniß dafür wohk eher eine Frage von Aufwand und Nutzen und natürlich auch Prioritäten.
Ich persöhnlich kann gut damit leben wie es ist. Würde es angepasst würde das sicherlich kurz positiv auffallen und danach nicht mehr beachtet, denn die Funktion erfüllt der Faden nun einmal nur im Fluge. Aber dennoch gut aufgepasst.
Noch etwas Werbung in eigener Sache. Wir fliegen in der Staffel auch Gazelle.
Sorry. I was standing right on the string.
You're right of course, at slow speeds the airflow from the rotor domminates and the string bounces wildly back and forth. Just like a flag in the wind.
In the end, simulating this in DCS is probably more a question of effort and benefit and, of course, priorities.
Personally, I can live with it as it is. If it were adapted, it would certainly be noticed positively for a short time and then no longer noticed, because the thread only fulfills its function in flight. But take care anyway.
Some more advertising on my own behalf. We also fly Gazell in the squadron.
Fliegt sie immer noch rückwärts über 70 km/h ohne Tendenz sich zu drehen?
Gyroscopic Moment in der Kurve ist immer noch nicht zu finden?
Gruß
Ja das tut sie wohl.
Und ja sie ist nicht perfekt.
Aber mal ehrlich aus welchem Grund fliegt man rückwärts schneller als schnellen hover?
@@lowlevelheaven Es geht nicht um Grund, warum man dies und jenes tun/nicht tun soll, es geht immer noch um FM. Solche aerodynamische Eigenschaften bilden einen Raum fürs „simulierte Realität“ wo drin alle Flugmanöver durchgeführt werden. Von einer Seite bilden diese Eigenschaften die Grenze der Fähigkeiten der Maschine (zwingen den Piloten zu lernen damit umzugehen), von anderer - vermitteln dadurch eine gewisse „Charakter“, der für unsere Endorphins sorgt. Wenn, aber, die Maschine sich hinter der Normaleigenschaften problemlos steuern lässt, dann vergeht mir sofort „das Geschmack“ vom fliegen. In so vielen Jahren könnten sich die Entwickler doch tiefer in die Materie und Aerodynamik vom Hubschrauber begeben und nicht nur neue Scripts auf alte Flugmechanik anzuhängen.
@@redrex8003
Als Pilot kann ich dir sagen, ich hab nicht eine Sekunde an die Dinge verschwendet von denen du redest.
Als Fluglehrer kann ich dir sagen, jeder halbwegs normal motorisch entwickelte kann mit Übung einen Hubschrauber fliegen.
Das schwierige ist nicht das Fliegen an sich, es geht darum immer die richtigen Entscheidungen zu treffen.
In einen, und Ich halte DCS durchaus für einen Simulator wird viel mehr hinein interpretiert als da tatsächlich ist. 😉😎
@@lowlevelheaven Durch tägliche Flugstunden im Realleben gibst du eventuell weniger Wert in das wie das Ding „fliegt“, sondern mehr in das wie sie geflogen wird. Verständlich. Ich benutze VR und ein FFBeast-Stick um ein möglichst realistisches Feedback von der Simulation zu bekommen, stolpere, aber, immer über ein unnatürliches Verhalten, was bei mir das Gefühl„drin zu sein“ sofort zerstört. Von einem Flugsimulator erwartet man, dass zumindest das Fliegen ordentlich simuliert wird.
Wobei DCS ist immer noch Digital COMBAT Simulator - eventuell geht es hier tatsächlich um richtige Entscheidungen, wie du sagst, vom Fliegen war nicht die Rede.))))
@@redrex8003
Unabhängig von DCS nehmen wir uns oft selbst den Spaß weil wir zu viel erwarten.
Dabei ist eine Enttäuschung immer nur eine nicht erfüllte Erwartung.
Freut mich, dass du dabei den Humor nicht verloren hast, auch wenn es Galgenhumor sein könnte. 😉
Get a good mic I'd suggest. Good stuff nevertheless.
Used the one on the head set because usually I do no live video.
But if I do Mord of them I need to think about a different mic.
Thanks for your feedback.
request refueling.. puppy
request rearming.. puppy
Horrible FM ever in aviation sim's history
😂 This is on on hand, just a matter of opinion, and it may been so 1 year ago, but now?
It may be interesting to know what exactly is the reason for such a opinion and what is the personal background of the person judging so hard.
@@lowlevelheaven It is light attack helo but FM is so heavy and broken. Polichop was impressed by real Gazelle pilot review so they did something before Kiowa coming. If you muck around with 30%fuel for sightseeing no problem but not suitable for battle at all. I used to fly this thing a lot of time. It is just not right.
@@gazgazgaz2 I agree with you and mentioned that in the video.
Nevertheless, the FM has improved a lot, and ther is hope it will get better 😉👍🤠
I agree that this has been the worst flight model to date. It was simply unflyable. It is however now very good, I’m flying it a lot, it’s finally decent. Not perfect but close.