Former F-16 Fighter Pilot Tries DCS 2.9 F-16 Viper Flight Model #DCS #F16

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  • Опубліковано 7 гру 2023
  • Mover (F-16, F/A-18, and T-38A pilot) reacts to the new DCS 2.9 F-16 Viper updated Flight Model. Flown using the Thurstmaster TQS Throttle and Winwing F-16 EX FSSB Stick. www.cwlemoine.com
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  • @albinorhino6
    @albinorhino6 5 місяців тому +342

    As someone who doesn’t have DCS, just watches a few videos here and there, I’m constantly blown away with the advances the platform makes. It’s a bit surreal watching an actual F-16 pilot fly an F-16 in a publicly available sim, while the F-16 is still in service.

    • @fewyearsbehind9333
      @fewyearsbehind9333 5 місяців тому +62

      As someone who have DCS I also am blown away that someone can connect to a server and play.

    • @magsudhuseynzade5030
      @magsudhuseynzade5030 5 місяців тому +9

      Don't deny yourself the experience with the 2.9 update you don't even need an insane build to run it :D go out there and fly

    • @lasselahti4056
      @lasselahti4056 5 місяців тому +5

      Yup. Im runnin (2d) with high grahpic settings (though SSS disabled, just for old gpu) with 20gb ddr3 i5-4960k, gtx 960 4gb. almost 8 years old computer, ofc that 4gb gpu is bought later, but that is also still 5-6 years old :) All i am saying you are totally correct. Ok i am runinnin on "low" fps ~24-40. But in sim thats confusingly enough. Ofc for many it would not be, but for me that is. Ofc i hope will get new computer soon, but still many ppl seem to think DCS takes huge computer. Ok it takes huge space from SSD, but so does pretty much every big game do. Well it made me buy new ssd, cause had only 240gb before :) But yeah. If not VR and can live without V-sync, it is very surprising how 2.9 rolls. Heck with 2.8 was SSAO totally no-go for me. After 2.9 I have had all the filters on. (I play with Single thread, cause extrenal view bugs on my computer, all those "small lags" take 2-3 secs for me, but still with ST version also seem to run VERY much better now. I think that just by upgrading my GPU to RTX something cheap, I can get even few years more with this machine. As crazy as it sounds. (what comes to DCS. Many other newer game is ofc pretty much "use old filters and low settings" stuff. But DCS give VERY much room to GPU, what comes to filtering. And now the code seems to be even more better, what comes to total control of GPU for DCS (in nvidia control panel I just let DCS decide everything, before I didnt. Now that seems to work better, especially for older GPU´s. Though gotta mention, that when I yesterday tried DCS in my friends new computer, with RTX not cheap at all something, it blew my mind how much better it looked, though i put all the same settings. But that just tells about DCS´s good self-optimatization of different GPU´s / filters / shaderversions. So yes, I totally say that EVEN with older computer, if one just has somekind of gaming gpu -> go ahead and try! It can surprise. It surprised me so totally 3 years ago, i havent pretty much played anything else after that.. DCS is so overwhelming, even for player of dcs, that still sometimes i crash my plane just for focusing on some detail. Now on Matt Wagners latest apache update video, it is crazy ho nicely the grass is moving, when propeller is kicking some air into the ground - for example. Surtain copter crasher effect. :D @@magsudhuseynzade5030

    • @lasselahti4056
      @lasselahti4056 5 місяців тому +4

      DCS is actually free. If you only have somekind of GPU for gaming -> go ahead and try. Yes it takes dedication, but with trainers that come with every plane (with dcs there are two free planes with it. SU-25t, and TF-51D). And it also has nice mission editor "sandbox" where you can create huge battles, even if not playing yourself. You can put 100 hornets against 100 hornets and press play and see what happens.. etcetc. :) It has huge collection of all kinds of war machines, not only aircrafts. Mostly ofc we are talking about cold war and post-cold war era machines, but it has also ww2 stuff! And yes. It is overwhelming. Just think how that is with vr + 3d :) I had to stop VR after 10 mins at first time, just to throw up. :D

    • @JonBrase
      @JonBrase 5 місяців тому +1

      I technically have DCS, but I'm too cheap to actually do much with it. Neither the Frogfoot nor the Mustang are really my jam, and beyond that single aircraft are significantly more expensive than I'm accustomed to paying for whole games.

  • @starlingphoenix9683
    @starlingphoenix9683 4 місяці тому +75

    looks like eagle dynamics listened to the feedback & made it so that the AIM-9 doesn't lose lock when switching into dogfight mode. i'm really proud of them for that -- paying attention to feedback from experienced aircraft operators.

  • @leggomypotato1484
    @leggomypotato1484 5 місяців тому +116

    Per your initial small complaint, the numbers on the hud are supposed to update at 4 hz. This makes them slow and readable while the rest of the moving geometries (such as the hud tape, vi, and elevation bars) update at 60hz or 55, I forget which. However, in DCS, everything in the hud updates at 20 hz and I don't know why they did this. It makes the numbers too fast and the rest of the symbology a bit jittery. Maybe because the data bus between all the systems communicating data runs at 20 hz, but it's a wrong assumption that it would display to that rate. I argued it with them, but they basically said I don't have credibility I guess and neither do the dozens of hud tapes out there so whatever. Thanks for pointing it out. I hope your comments have some weight and influence with them.

  • @SauerkrautIsGood
    @SauerkrautIsGood 5 місяців тому +65

    I think the reason he came apart in the clouds was that the airframe was already damaged from your earlier hits.
    The damage model will account for loss of structural integrity, resulting in a reduction of safe airspeed and load factor.
    The AI pushed a damaged airframe past its limit.

  • @BM-zv4xz
    @BM-zv4xz 5 місяців тому +62

    Hey Mover, please do more of this! IMO this is what we all want to see - a real fighter pilot doing BFM in DCS.

    • @TheZdrawko
      @TheZdrawko 5 місяців тому +6

      This won't happen. NATO tactis are not to be released to public - Mover already talked about this. Three was/is also controversy with Brits ex military who were emplyed by Chineese to teach tactics and mat be prosecuted.

    • @BM-zv4xz
      @BM-zv4xz 5 місяців тому +1

      @@TheZdrawkoI think what he meant was BVR, not BFM. Besides, in this video he did just that - demonstrated a dogfight, with a professional commentary.

    • @TheZdrawko
      @TheZdrawko 5 місяців тому +2

      @@BM-zv4xz oh😌

    • @BM-zv4xz
      @BM-zv4xz 5 місяців тому +2

      @@TheZdrawko Besides, BVR is much more boring than BFM anyway, so it's OK :) GrowlingSidewinder does it a lot lately, and not enough BFM (unfortunately).

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@TheZdrawko: It wasn't just British pilots involved in that scandal. US, German, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian & French pilots were also involved.

  • @vladlenvronsky8414
    @vladlenvronsky8414 5 місяців тому +44

    My experience is flying single-engine props. I love how you broke down flight maneuvers, landings, takeoffs, Missed approaches, and BFMs. Do more of these! I really enjoyed this one!

  • @docholliday1811
    @docholliday1811 5 місяців тому +15

    Thank you. It's always so cool to watch an actual fighter pilot use DCS. I never actually flew anything except a kite. So my hats off to you and thank you for your service. I truly appreciate it.

  • @edward8701
    @edward8701 5 місяців тому +10

    I like the fact that in Falcon BMS getting into Dogfight mode it does not drop the lock and the overall superior avionics and flight model, but DCS F-16 is getting very good as well.

    • @LuisFelipy
      @LuisFelipy 4 місяці тому +1

      Thats why I keep both on the SDD

  • @fangirlgen9472
    @fangirlgen9472 5 місяців тому +3

    Another amazing video as always mover I love hearing this commentary from you especially with flying that plane! That is really incredible! Just this weekend I reached out and reconnected with now a Brigadier General in the Air Force that gave me the opportunity of a lifetime when I was 5 and am so thankful and honored to have him back in my life as he really opened the doors for me and where I am wanting to take my dreams from there!

  • @ulvar51
    @ulvar51 5 місяців тому +1

    Great to see you back in DCS!

  • @gregs3153
    @gregs3153 5 місяців тому +1

    Excellent analysis and as always, great video !

  • @randallmacdonald4851
    @randallmacdonald4851 5 місяців тому +7

    Thanks, Mover. I'm still a Hornet driver and probably always will be. But watching you evaluate the Viper is still an excellent source for training.

  • @_MarkV_
    @_MarkV_ 5 місяців тому +23

    Great video. Get a Pimax Crystal. It will blow your mind! As a career pilot, it’s so refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about as all. More of this please. Would also like to hear your thoughts on Falcon BMS.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому +1

      Pimax Crystal probably would be a very decent choice, alternatively the Varjo Aero. But they both don't come with higher refresh rates and they don't have those pancake lenses which are mind blowing as well in a Quest 3.

    • @_MarkV_
      @_MarkV_ 4 місяці тому +3

      @@CakePrincessCelestia I’ve tried the Quest 3. Literally no comparison to the Crystal. Crystal offers 120hz

  • @sjpeckham1
    @sjpeckham1 5 місяців тому

    great work mover; keep these types of flight model eval coming!

  • @Fox3-Luck
    @Fox3-Luck 5 місяців тому +2

    Great insights Mover, thank you

  • @Crunch104
    @Crunch104 5 місяців тому +30

    Weird your Tanker is always in a turn. Maybe with just the default missions. You can easily setup a tanker to fly straight in the mission editor. Thanks for the great video. Always interesting for us sim geeks.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому +2

      Exactly, the keyword is setting its waypoint loop as a race track instead of orbit for a single waypoint.

    • @cellokid5104
      @cellokid5104 4 місяці тому

      It always turns

  • @johnporten8303
    @johnporten8303 5 місяців тому +21

    It's going to be great to see you up in the digital sky's. I've been waiting for your return very patiently, Mr. Mover. I hope you really enjoy all of the recent changes to our beloved DCS.

    • @ilVice
      @ilVice 5 місяців тому +4

      sky's?!?

    • @sparrowlt
      @sparrowlt 5 місяців тому +3

      @@ilVice Sky's where aircrafts flyes

    • @d3us3xmach1na5
      @d3us3xmach1na5 5 місяців тому

      ⁠@@sparrowltthe plural form of sky is skies. Not sky’s.

    • @sparrowlt
      @sparrowlt 5 місяців тому +2

      @@d3us3xmach1na5 you dont say....

    • @fishbed_
      @fishbed_ 5 місяців тому +3

      @@d3us3xmach1na5 i think you missed the joke

  • @phil73805
    @phil73805 5 місяців тому

    Excellent video! Thanks Mover 😊

  • @strikkflypilot927
    @strikkflypilot927 5 місяців тому

    Thank You for this!

  • @sjpga
    @sjpga 5 місяців тому

    Thanks Mover. From PGA Hope. Please know I appreciate you and all those that serve. Holidays can be a challenge. 👍⛳️🇺🇸

  • @daveg5857
    @daveg5857 5 місяців тому

    Awesome video. Love the analysis!

  • @vz6235
    @vz6235 5 місяців тому +5

    Finally more DCS content lets goooo!

  • @JPH11
    @JPH11 5 місяців тому

    Great vid Mover, thank you. Enjoyed the AI maneuvers at the end!

  • @ShintaroNikki
    @ShintaroNikki 5 місяців тому +12

    you should try out falcon bms, it just added VR support, graphics aren't the best but the flight model is top knotch. in some instances I think it can be above DCS F16 imo

  • @stefanagardi
    @stefanagardi 5 місяців тому

    Love your videos, especially DCS videos.

  • @lsdzheeusi
    @lsdzheeusi 5 місяців тому

    Thank you Mover!

  • @Shiroko0516
    @Shiroko0516 5 місяців тому +8

    Thanks for the great video. I think Falcon BMS is also a good simulator for realism. Hope you can try that and make a review video like this.

  • @JBSmoke1
    @JBSmoke1 5 місяців тому +1

    Very cool, Mover! The Viper is my main jet in DCS. I can fly it, but I suck as using it as a weapon. It's still major fun! :)

  • @Bluelagoonstudios
    @Bluelagoonstudios 5 місяців тому +2

    What I noticed with all fighting aviators, is the focus in their eyes, I can see it too with you in the opening scene of this video, it's remarkable. Now I understand why you need "eagle eyes" to fly these jets. I was watching another channel, and he was ready to tank fuel on his Hornet. That focus, man, that's awesome. I was for three years in a scout squad in the army, also focus is important for boots on the ground. Thanks for your service, Sir. Btw, the F16 is still the most sexy fighter jet out there, IMO.

    • @TruFight1
      @TruFight1 3 місяці тому

      Scouts out!!! 19D10 here as well.

  • @tbone403
    @tbone403 5 місяців тому

    Thanks Mover!

  • @ODGreenZa
    @ODGreenZa 5 місяців тому +2

    Just can't beat the visibility in the f16. Love the glass canopy

  • @stevestogsdill5791
    @stevestogsdill5791 5 місяців тому +4

    My brother was an electrical engineer setting up the original F16 flight trainers. I wonder how this DCS tech compares to those early days in the 1970s and 80s!

  • @regprewitt7637
    @regprewitt7637 5 місяців тому +1

    Excellent info. I don't know how much time you have spent fiddling with the MFSSB settings on the Winwing stick. I've had mine since they were released and I just discovered that the force sensors can be adjusted for force in the "MFSSB Config" tab in SimApp Pro. Using 60% for pitch and 55% for roll sliders, 40% (full scale) on the Displacement Only Mode slider, and "Force + Displacement" in the Mode Select (top section) is a huge improvement. The airplane is more responsive and precise. All settings in the stick axis commands are default in DCS. I think there is room for further tweaking. High stick forces were nice in the T-38 during heavy maneuvering As I would expect in the real jet but doesn't work well in DCS. All of my actual tanking experience was spent in the front end of the big gray gas bag looking for clouds and turbulence to fly through so I'm surely no expert at getting on and hanging off the boom. The Viper is not easy to tank in DCS. I think the settings above will make a difference. I've also discovered that my hand low on the stick, middle finger on the NWS button, is a great technique when precise control is necessary like on the tanker. There is just a little sloppiness (light control pressures causing too much input?) around the center that makes fine motions not so fine. I haven't tried tanking the viper in in DCS since making the changes but think that all of the above will make tanking less difficult.

  • @GCrypson
    @GCrypson 5 місяців тому

    Fun video. On my scanner I hear the Makos doing training somewhat frequently. Thanks for your service.

  • @Rapier1-1
    @Rapier1-1 4 місяці тому +7

    Hey there! Great video, I'm sure people would love to see you play Falcon BMS, which is primarily an F16 sim, many people have credited it with having the more realistic F16 simulation. They have multiple blocks in the sim as well.

  • @davidmuir6849
    @davidmuir6849 4 місяці тому

    Fantastic ,thanks for sharing .
    I totally agree ,the f-16 is the coolest looking jet .
    I remember in 1981 when I was in the raf as an aircraft engineer ,we had an f-16 that visited our sqn for the day ,it looked amazing then and it still looks out of this world now ,even compared to the most up to date aircraft .
    Regards
    Dave from Scotland

  • @RicCrouch
    @RicCrouch 4 місяці тому +4

    In my real-life tanker experience, it’s not that tankers are always going into the weather.
    They are always flying into the sun.

  • @robertwallace4515
    @robertwallace4515 5 місяців тому +4

    You should make a video on the falcon BMS flilght model next

  • @DCS_World_Japan
    @DCS_World_Japan 5 місяців тому

    Double-post but some demonstrations of formation cues in a flight or while tanking would be awesome to see, Mover. Learning formation cues in the Speed and Angels campaign for the Tomcat was one of my favorite flights.

  • @williamolsmit4659
    @williamolsmit4659 5 місяців тому

    Having spent some time with block 1As at Hill with the 421st this was fun to watch 👍👌

  • @branjosnow6244
    @branjosnow6244 4 місяці тому +2

    Man! I've had DCS for about a year and I still can't refuel the Viper. It's good to know from an actual Viper pilot that it's hard. I don't feel so bad now lol.
    Great video.

    • @RW-zn8vy
      @RW-zn8vy 4 місяці тому

      the trick is to follow the lights it’d really not that bad but I think in vr it’s easier than playing in 2d

    • @branjosnow6244
      @branjosnow6244 4 місяці тому

      @@RW-zn8vy I get my closest and have actually hooked up on VR, you are right it is easier. My Warthog I have come to notice pulls to the left a bit, so mentally I'm blaming that lol.

    • @chadswindell6924
      @chadswindell6924 3 місяці тому +1

      @@branjosnow6244 add a tiny deadzone and a decent curve to your stick axes and it should get a lot easier. I have a deadzone of 3 and a curve of 30 if you wanted a setting to try.

    • @branjosnow6244
      @branjosnow6244 3 місяці тому

      @@chadswindell6924 I'm trying a pretty good user defined curve atm, it's definitely helping. It's more responsive on smaller movements, I kept having to move the stick too much, and then over compensating.
      I've been able to get a couple of hundred pounds of fuel, still can't keep it stable enough to finish, but I'm getting better.
      Thanks for the reply dude.

  • @josefwitt9772
    @josefwitt9772 4 місяці тому

    DCS and flight sim hobbyist here - love the criticism and seeing how a pilot interacts with the simulation.

  • @swansong425
    @swansong425 4 місяці тому +2

    Tanker is circling because someone did not change it to "racetrack" in the editor. Edit the advanced waypoint option at the initial wp (wp options on the aircraft)

  • @davidsmith8997
    @davidsmith8997 5 місяців тому +1

    Damn those are some lethal clouds!

  • @michaelcarrier4374
    @michaelcarrier4374 5 місяців тому

    I really want to get into DCS. Thank you for the video!

    • @Topper_Harley68
      @Topper_Harley68 5 місяців тому

      It is free so....and if you like it you will spend thousands just like a junkie.

    • @FirehawkSHD
      @FirehawkSHD 5 місяців тому

      If you feel DCS is too expensive or hardware demanding, try Falcon BMS instead. Its just $5 and comes with the best Viper and war simulation.

  • @lemmingt6207
    @lemmingt6207 5 місяців тому

    Youve goodmouthed my favorite sim. That means youre good😂. Your assesment is always appreciated🍻

  • @joseborrero6883
    @joseborrero6883 5 місяців тому +1

    I enlisted in the Air Force and I’m a crew chief for the c130 but man the f16 are so cool on the flight line 😮‍💨

  • @delayed_control
    @delayed_control 5 місяців тому

    You can set up the tanker to flight straight, just give it a couple waypoints and give the last one command to loop to the first in advanced options.

  • @JayDKB
    @JayDKB 3 місяці тому

    Its always cool when a real F16 pilot checks out. Good video

  • @CapnT87
    @CapnT87 5 місяців тому

    Just watched this on my 4K projector on a 135” screen - it was sublime 😄

  • @WhereNerdyisCool
    @WhereNerdyisCool 5 місяців тому +4

    Excellent point on the take off single digit airspeed movement. I find that if you fly the jets down low, say over trees, you do not get the feeling you are doing 300 to 500 knots. There is something wonky there and it feels like, with how the terrain is moving, you are going vastly slower. I fly the Viper a lot in there and I noticed some rapid all out black g outs at 5-6 G's now.

    • @marcellarisa7239
      @marcellarisa7239 5 місяців тому +2

      The trees are ridiculously huge. Makes flight down low feel much slower.

    • @WhereNerdyisCool
      @WhereNerdyisCool 5 місяців тому

      @@marcellarisa7239 exactly!!

    • @Etha-xi8ei
      @Etha-xi8ei 5 місяців тому +8

      The trees are huge in DCS. This is for performance reasons, with smaller trees, they need to use a lot more trees to cover up forests, which would hinder performance. Larger trees means they can use less of them.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому

      @@Etha-xi8ei Which is ridiculous. On my old 3570k when it still had a 970 with just 3.5GB of VRAM in it, the forest visibility range slider would do exactly nothing but change the range at which those trees pop in. Framerates were locked at the same spot regardless. If it wasn't an issue on that crate which now would totally count as a potato, it probably isn't even remotey on more recent hardware.
      But yes, tree size is one factor for the sense of speed. Another is FOV. Especially in pancake, many tend to fly with a FOV similar to what we can see here in the video or on Growling Sidewinder's channel - almost all the way zoomed out, cramming a 100+ degree FOV into maybe just a 30-40 degree window that is the monitor, could as well be 50 or 60 with a large one, but you basically would have to match your DCS FOV with the FOV of your monitor, which often is zooming almost all the way in to get a realistic sense of speed. In VR, it automagically always matches 1:1 due to its nature, unless you're hitting that VR zoom button for compensating the lower than reticlular resolution of the device.

  • @TheDarkman222
    @TheDarkman222 5 місяців тому +4

    I am not really sure if the stores drag update is already implemented in this 2.9 version you've been testing. I looked for it in the changelog for all 2.9 updates we already have but I did not find an entry about drag for the F16. It might be coming with the updated G modelling. Also what would be insightful would be a slow speed handling test, especially looking for oscillations that tend to occurr with it. Thanks for the work you do for the DCS community!

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 4 місяці тому

      Theres some comments about an updated FM and transonic performance of F-16, that would include drag of the plane and (probably?) stores.

  • @ShawnHinck
    @ShawnHinck 5 місяців тому +1

    So to fix your tanker always turning problem the best way to do it is put in three-way points and select a race track pattern under advanced waypoint options in the mission editor.

  • @glitch9211
    @glitch9211 5 місяців тому +1

    I've had the "right list" problem myself. Finally determined it was from the position of my joystick and that I was having to reach a little too much for it. This was causing the office chair to rotate slightly and offsetting my view to the right side of the cockpit. Essentially I wasn't sitting in the middle of the plane, but off to the right hand side. Causes all kinds of depth/alignment problems. The tell for me was that the hud symbology persistently biases to the right side of the view plate.

  • @SkullTeamShin
    @SkullTeamShin 5 місяців тому

    Great video Mover. That rolling scissors towards the end looked cool, any chance of a video of that from an external view with both aircraft onscreen? I haven’t played DCS yet so I wasn’t sure if a view like could be recorded for replays.

  • @costa481
    @costa481 4 місяці тому +3

    Hello, I would like to see a comparison and know your opinion between DCS and BMS regarding the performance of the F 16. Is it possible?
    Best regards.

  • @flanker909
    @flanker909 5 місяців тому

    Valuable feedback, I hope ED is listening!!

  • @jaymac7203
    @jaymac7203 5 місяців тому +2

    The developers of DCS should watch these videos for tips on updating the sim. His knowledge is incredible.

  • @josephrosenbaum3343
    @josephrosenbaum3343 5 місяців тому +1

    For the tankers you can make them not do turns all the time by setting them to race track holding patterns

  • @falcon1204
    @falcon1204 5 місяців тому +3

    As an old G2 user i highly recommend getting a Quest 3, its lenses has been like night and day to me.

  • @wiwa23
    @wiwa23 5 місяців тому +10

    Perfect! Now a follow up with the Hornet and a conversation with Wags to supply him with valuable feedback so it can be implemented asap would be awesome!

    • @RW-zn8vy
      @RW-zn8vy 5 місяців тому +1

      Wags already said they’re fixing the hornet he also wants people who abuse the padel switch to be punished in some way.

    • @wiwa23
      @wiwa23 5 місяців тому

      ​@@RW-zn8vyyes, amongst many of the announcements and promises of the past. Did you know ED officials also said in Dec 2020 that it was top priority to get the Hornet out of early acces in q1 of 2021? That was supposed to include these flight model changes. 😅

    • @RW-zn8vy
      @RW-zn8vy 5 місяців тому +2

      @@wiwa23 things in dcs come very slow we all know this, also the viper just got unexpected changes so im pretty sure the hornet will too. They’ve also come through with many promises this year.

  • @technofaisal
    @technofaisal 5 місяців тому

    Great video !

  • @Topper_Harley68
    @Topper_Harley68 4 місяці тому +1

    They did fix that dogfight losing lock thing, wags to the rescue.

  • @spiff1003
    @spiff1003 4 місяці тому

    You are right! That IS a good looking aircraft. I would be have joined a backseat ride if I could, but only after a trip in the backseat of an F-16 would I feel like I have achieved it all. It is my true love.

  • @frostyrobot7689
    @frostyrobot7689 5 місяців тому +9

    17:35 - Hey Mover, BMS (but not DCS AFAIK) has a view feature called 'Smart Scaling' that's in place to tackle the kind of visual resolution issues you mention here. They cite a study, "Improving Target Orientation Discrimination Performance in Air-to-Air Flight Simulation" (Serfoss 2003), that discusses this matter.
    Maybe something to ask Wags to have a look at. Cheers.

    • @chadswindell6924
      @chadswindell6924 3 місяці тому +1

      Know I'm a month late, but wanted to say ED already addressed this and it cannot happen in DCS. Something about it how it would break multiple other systems, spaghetti code. They know the visibility is not what it should be, so they put in some easier spotting option is the settings, but that just adds a dot to make it easier to see beyond 10NM. The range that is particularly bad for BFM in DCS is 2-10NM, I can't see aspect whatsoever on high settings in VR. BMS does this perfectly however

    • @frostyrobot7689
      @frostyrobot7689 3 місяці тому

      @@chadswindell6924 Cheers Chad, thanks for that.

  • @the42nd
    @the42nd 4 місяці тому

    These are some of my favorite vids on YT. Wondering if the in cockpit engine sounds are accurate.

  • @martygrant3205
    @martygrant3205 5 місяців тому +7

    Hi Mover, Love your videos, Have you flown Falcon Bms & if yes which in your opinion is the most realistic of the two regarding performance of the Viper?. Cheers

  • @MarcCelisKuss
    @MarcCelisKuss 5 місяців тому

    When you talked about breaking your neck of you do certain movements in high G manoeuvres made me think when implementing the visual representation of black / red visual effect they should modélisé pilot neck restriction too, would end the crazy track IR neck capabilities 😆

  • @rovpilot1
    @rovpilot1 5 місяців тому +2

    As a Falcon BMS guy from day one I say pretty cool stuff😎

  • @FighterOperationsGroupFOG
    @FighterOperationsGroupFOG 5 місяців тому +10

    It's always a treat getting to see the real pilots taking flight in DCS, especially for those of us that ended up becoming crayon eaters instead of pilots 😂

  • @ryanw1433
    @ryanw1433 5 місяців тому +2

    DCS should make a flight model tuning interface for you and the other SMEs so that you can get it behaving the way you think it should - then they can get the settings from you to make adjustments to the model.

  • @-IsaacMarr-
    @-IsaacMarr- 5 місяців тому

    Enjoyed the hell outta this.

  • @sincity_steve
    @sincity_steve 4 місяці тому +1

    You should consider upgrading your G2 to the Big Screen Beyond. I recently upgraded mine, and it was totally worth the cost. You can quickly turn your head all around in this thing without ever feeling it move on your face, and the resolution / colors and contrast is the best there is. As a G2 owner myself this is the way to go.

  • @coreybielas3246
    @coreybielas3246 4 місяці тому

    Nice to know it's not just me and former fighter pilots also struggle to assess bfm opponent nose position in dcs bc the way that dcs renders aircraft at bfm distance/ranges in WVR arena

  • @TexasGreed
    @TexasGreed 4 місяці тому

    This is a cool video dude good shit

  • @kevinrobb86
    @kevinrobb86 5 місяців тому

    Still the best-looking fighter jet to this day and I started with Fighting Falcon on the Atari 8bit computer

  • @MW_1535
    @MW_1535 5 місяців тому +1

    I could not use the Reverb G2 because the sweet spot is so small. The slighting movement of the headset and it was blur-fest. Switched to the Varjo Aero and it was obviously a big improvement. I have a Quest 3 as well, but haven't tried simming in it yet, but visual clarity is good in that headset and it has a large sweet spot, so I imagine it will work well.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому

      Quest 3 is brilliant in that regard since those lenses have a massive sweet spot and stellar edge to edge clarity. You could literally have your IPD off by 2 or 3 mm and totally not even notice it. I've heard of people doing that on purpose to get a slightly wider FOV by setting a higher IPD than they actually have.

  • @enyakk
    @enyakk 5 місяців тому +7

    It'll take you a couple hours to set it up but give Falcon BMS a try. IRL F-16 drivers seem to respond pretty well to its flight model.

  • @GunniesLetsFlyVFR
    @GunniesLetsFlyVFR 5 місяців тому

    Mover the new dot tgt setting makes the enemy dissapear. You can go back to the old setting. LH about halfway down on the graphics settings. Maybe Ty the Hornet too ;) . My favourite 😍

  • @Quantiad
    @Quantiad 4 місяці тому

    Interestingly, In the UK, we call the area approaching the arrival threshold the 'undershoot' and the area beyond the runway after takeoff, the 'overshoot'.

  • @bryanholland6987
    @bryanholland6987 5 місяців тому

    I program the tanker with five waypoints with waypoint three set for "racetrack" orbit with the addition of "RTB on bingo". That keeps it in a long turn between two points that's so flat you dont notice the turn really.
    As for getting gas from the tanker. I was filling up my car last week and this dude down the street fired a few shots in the air for no reason. I said out loud (because my stress reaction is to be comical) "Transfer Complete, Disconnect.." And Noped my way out of that gas station without filling the tank completely.

  • @PhantomMark
    @PhantomMark 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for confirming bleed rates, something I have felt since the very start, and the main thing that kept me away from the plane tbh.

  • @brandonjones4
    @brandonjones4 5 місяців тому

    From a tanker guy... The KC135 sighting widow was not open during that air refueling.

  • @MuntyScruntFundle
    @MuntyScruntFundle 5 місяців тому

    Lovely long flare.

  • @mikyjax
    @mikyjax 5 місяців тому +11

    I hope to see you try Falcon BMS at some point. Not as beautiful as DCS but it's a sim purely focused on the f-16, your input would be invaluable :) Thanks for the vid!

    • @Cofaciano
      @Cofaciano 5 місяців тому

      And has VR also 👍

    • @alistairmartins
      @alistairmartins 5 місяців тому

      is the Mirage 2000 good in falcon?

    • @Topper_Harley68
      @Topper_Harley68 5 місяців тому +1

      1998 say no more. And you cant mod away that age.

    • @mikyjax
      @mikyjax 5 місяців тому

      What do you mean exactly? sorry for my english@@Topper_Harley68

    • @mikyjax
      @mikyjax 5 місяців тому

      hello, no idea... it's mainly f-16's so I'm not sure of the 2000 implementation@@alistairmartins

  • @cfmontolio
    @cfmontolio 5 місяців тому

    Next time you should have the soundtrack from that legendary documentary Iron Eagle playing in the background ;)

  • @zacharycocos608
    @zacharycocos608 4 місяці тому

    Hey man, cool to see a Viper guy on this flying and making videos. I was a JTAC in the USMC and loved controlling 16s. Primarily controlled foregin 16s but they're all beautiful. Just wanted to note that I also have a trend to land right of centerline. I've watched my landing tracks and I have no input to initiate the aircraft going right but what I did notice is that when the aircraft decelerates below ~130kts it will drift/yaw right. Even with wheels on deck. Would the aircraft experience the same tendencies of a slowing down prop-plane (right yawing)?

  • @Panos9133
    @Panos9133 4 місяці тому

    It’s great that they corrected the energy loss of the F-16. I believe the software simulates induced drag that increases with the increase of lift due to high AoA. In my opinion that was not modelled correctly for the F-16 and led to not being able sustain 9Gs at low altitudes. An F-16 pilot had told me the same thing exactly as you mentioned. At 5K feet the (clean) F-16 holds 9Gs as long as your body can take it :)

    • @RW-zn8vy
      @RW-zn8vy 4 місяці тому

      Wags said the model is correct and you can hold 9g with the correct conditions until you run if out of fuel but the pilots lack of holding g force is the issue.

  • @alexanderkalver279
    @alexanderkalver279 5 місяців тому

    Mover great videos like always , what are your parameters for control sensitivity For the F16 and F18.
    I would definitely appreciate if you share that.

  • @Volcrum
    @Volcrum 4 місяці тому

    17:38 You should try the VR zoom if you haven't already. Your eyes can't focus on distant targets since the screen is always the same distance from your eyes, zoom can help compensate for that.

  • @AK-pr6bq
    @AK-pr6bq 4 місяці тому +1

    Hi Mover! Do try the same review with Falcon BMS 4.37.3 and let us know what the differences in the flight model are. Personally I am partial to the BMS flight model. The Viper in DCS seems to require a lot more babying in all flight regimes, which I do fine a little annoying.

  • @DCS_World_Japan
    @DCS_World_Japan 5 місяців тому +1

    The F-16 is the one module I really struggle with in tanking. The control responses feel sluggish even on an extended stick with 0 curves in CAT I.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому

      The last time I actually tried I was still using the CV1. I literally was completely unable to see the director lights which made it impossible.

  • @fansaaap
    @fansaaap 5 місяців тому

    I use the Pimax Crystal and its amazing

    • @therocinante3443
      @therocinante3443 5 місяців тому

      Did you switch from a different headset? I have a reverb G2, do you love it?

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 5 місяців тому

    I like the voice over.

  • @bertram-raven
    @bertram-raven 5 місяців тому

    The tendency to touch down on the right side may be because of your eye position in VR. The HUD shows your eye to be slightly to the right of the HUD. On landing you are moving your head to the left to centre up the HUD, at which point you appear to add a tiny amount of right stick and compensate with left rudder. (Slip to right)
    Does DCS have telemetry recording for inputs you could analyse? If so, that would make a great video!

  • @botondkertesz8974
    @botondkertesz8974 5 місяців тому +1

    i can get behind the F-15 and F-18 receiving a lot of love, but man the F-16 is just gorgeous

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому

      True, but there's just one issue. They're all not Tomcats.
      _TOMCATS!_

  • @Karl-Hungus
    @Karl-Hungus 5 місяців тому +4

    Getting on the Tankers is the hardest thing for me no matter what aircraft I am flying in DCS. I know all the theory and what I need to do but I struggle on it time 100 to get it done..

    • @burnerjack01
      @burnerjack01 5 місяців тому

      Always wondered why the drogue isn’t flown by a computer. Especially after a SAR helicopter went down off of Alaska because they just couldn’t get hooked up in time during a stormy night rescue mission.

    • @Karl-Hungus
      @Karl-Hungus 5 місяців тому

      @roberts3141 lol...I have been trying for years. It's my stick and throttle settings. I just cannot get them set to be able to do the fine movements that are needed.

    • @Hyena_91
      @Hyena_91 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@Karl-Hungus
      Not having any dead zones on the joystick axeses helped me a lot.

    • @Karl-Hungus
      @Karl-Hungus 5 місяців тому

      @roberts3141 I have a stick extension and added a spring to stiffen the stick movement for the extension length I added.

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia 4 місяці тому

      All good points, especially the VR one which basically is easy mode due to the spatial perception.
      Also worth trying in case of the Hornet is hitting the A/P button, but not selecting a mode. Makes the controls more granular and helps especially with non-extended sticks. Probably not a real technique, but if it's there, why not use it? XD

  • @louismarina7225
    @louismarina7225 4 місяці тому +1

    Would love to see you fly with @grimreapers they have some very skilled real pilots from around the world. They do fun stuff with DCS and time travel re-enactments, like could the A-10 Warthog have won the 1965 battle of Ia Drang, Vietnam?

  • @DCtropical
    @DCtropical 4 місяці тому +2

    How are you liking the MFSSB Winwing side stick? I've heard some people say its not exactly accurate to the F-16 because it only detects a force input once you've reached max movement/deflection of the stick. Thoughts?

  • @jacksonegaming
    @jacksonegaming 5 місяців тому

    do you think that the slower speeds in the mig -29 fights could have been the culprit for why the viper felt more dragy? you were rating with him pretty good even at like 200 kts