My cousin loves the new maddens and told me there was no way the old ones were better, I turned on my ps2 and showed him Madden 07 and he is a changed man😂
@@King_Immanueldrafting a team was some of the most fun I’ve had on madden. You’d always get that one player that would carry the team like a 99 ovr Julio jones
This is probably the last one I can tolerate. 18 is pretty similar though outside of graphics. It feels like it still uses some Ignite engine physics. 19 is when the game went 100% Frostbite
Honestly it seems the farther you go back the better the Madden games get! I'm actually back to playing Madden 08 on the PlayStation 2. I probably put 20 hours into it in the last few days. Way better than the new one. Crazy statement
I remember when “Top Stories” would follow the top college prospects with crazy stat lines to keep u on ur toes about who to draft. People like superstar CB from Florida State #21 Leon Sandcastle (Deion Sanders) were dogs and u HAD to trade up for them. Ik I ain’t the only one who like to play GM and enjoy building teams as much as I like to play with them
I know 25th Anniversary had this, i don't know if 17 did, but you could even have Legends come out of retirement. Like Kurt Warner just suddenly shows up in Free Agency or some legendary coaches like Joe Gibbs become available to hire,
Bro I’m letting you know this now you not the only one out there I love stuff like that I wish I could experience that with the college superstar.. I’m mad you can’t even transfer ncaa 25 dynasty rosters to madden 25… but you can do it with rtg
Madden 17 was my first football game, so it has some nostalgic value to me. This game isnt good, but with how unbelievably bad Madden 19 and beyond has been, looking back Madden 17 and 18 i can say are average games. Wouldnt have said that 6-7 years ago.
My first madden was madden mobile 15 which was so much better than the last year I played it after not playing madden mobile for at least 5 years? But Madden 15 was the first Actual Madden I played
Madden 2008 is a better game than Madden 2025. NFL 2K5 is a better game than Madden 2025. The NFL really screwed over gamers with the exclusive deal with EA and I know a lot of people blame EA for the deal, but at the end of the day it was the NFL that decided to make their license exclusive.
Finally I’ve been waiting for this one. One of my favorite gameplay Maddens. Too bad I’m currently taking a break from Madden and Football gaming…. I’m just done with these older games having played them for several years now.. I’m currently focusing back to older NBA 2k games like 11 and 10. Such amazing games they are!
I started a franchise on Madden 16 today, and I'm actually really enjoying it. Madden 16 and Madden 17 are so much better than today's Maddens, and it's not even close.
@@Kings0424 the fact that Espn Nfl 2k5, All pro football 2k8, Madden 16 and Madden 17 are all better games than the recent releases of Madden is just wild. Because with all the technology Ea has available today. That shouldn't even be a thought.
@ShawnReed-ny1hd it's crazy that it's still more fun to play than these newer versions..developers used to actually love the games they worked on and it showed in the gameplay 🤷🏾
I'm still in high school, so most of the top Madden games ever released were well before my time. Madden 17 was the first madden I ever played, and still my favorite Madden game ever released (though worse than NCAA 25.) To this day, despite owning Madden 25 ( newer one) I still play Madden 17 way more because the presentation and gameplay is way better, even though the only mode you can really still play on the game is Madden 17. Also this was the peak of Draft Champions, which was probably one of the greatest Madden modes ever. The fact that this game that was released in 2016 is still, in my opinion, is still multiple levels above a game released in 2024 and on the PS5 shows how EA absolutely no longer deserves the exclusive license, and I doubt Madden would sell very well if companies like Sony or 2K could make football games. That being said, I'm not sure an NFL 2K would be that great today, even with their history of great football games. With microtransactions pushing games to push companies way more to the online side, I think NFL 2K would be underwhelming, especially with what we see with NBA 2K and MyCareer. That being said, I have no doubt NFL 2K would be way better than Madden today, and I really hope the NFL opens up their license. While on the topic, I hope EA can make an NBA Live again too, as the excellent PS4 era of 2K was made possible by NBA Live providing competition. Alright sorry for writing a whole paragraph.
this video really made me take the rose tinted glasses off. madden 17 was my first madden, and while i always knew it wasn’t great, jesus it’s literally just madden 25 but slightly better animations. still love the memories tho it made me fall in love with football
This is the most played game I’ve ever played.. with well over 1500 hours and I never knew why I kept going back to it.. this video explains it perfectly.. I’ve been waiting for this review for a while.. well worth the wait.
I loved madden on the ps2. I remember being excited to get Xbox 360 back in 2005 and madden was never the same. I’ve been waiting every year for it to get back…
How strange! I played this over the weekend and wondered if you’d do a video on this. I personally enjoyed this and the deterioration since 17 is so so evident.
They need to rebuild the game from scratch without micro transactions and not use the frost bite engine even if it may take an extra year it'll be worth it if it means a quality Madden. Or make a game every other year to make it better and add things and the years they don't release one just update the rosters Edit: Or just give the rights to 2K
@@OVOJermey I didn't mean pull a Madden and buy the rights to where only they can make the game I mean make it to where they both can or just open up the rights so there is competition. Because when there is competition then they both make much better games so that they can compete with each other for your purchase.
Sad thing is based on how long it took to make CFB 25, it would take years to rebuild Madden from the ground up. And the only way they'd get rid of the microtransactions is if something was done legislatively to make it to where any games featuring lootboxes and microtransactions have to have an M rating on them as it's basically gambling with no reward.
The practice squad. They waited 10 years to add the practice squad after the jump to the next gen (360/PS3) to add a practice squad. I play older Madden games and scream for a practice squad.
As someone that has been playing Madden since Madden 2000, I may surprise some people here. Madden 17 franchise mode is still my go to ever since my PS2 died. Two things really stand out in this game, player progression and scouting. Player progression because you need to target and develop those 90s overall players over years to get them to their potential. Scouting because it tells you top stats/combine skills so you know how a player might fit into your system (example, I only draft RG with a B or higher run block cause that’s where I like to run the ball). Just my two cents, but Madden 17 is really fun for anyone who likes franchise mode
@@aceassn716 tell me abt it man I think anything comapred to ea is superior even when fifa was rivals with pes,Pes by far was less polished but in some departments it did things better then Ea did in fifa.EA just is the embodiment of mediocrity in gaming today alongside the rest of the industry
As a “soccer “ fan who’s played fifa since 2004 it’s never actually been great. It never had the fun career modes filled with depth that madden had on ps2.
@@sourhayes1you’re right there !. The one thing fifa had was a non pay to win ultimate team from like fifa 11-16 FIFA ultimate team was actually elite , a 100k gold team which you could grind in like a week would compete with god squads . I remember 82 rated gold cards like doumbia who you could buy for like 2 match’s worth of coins would be insane .
The whole engine thing is honestly over blown. The same excuse gets made for Bethesda and it's BS. Moving to frostbite had a negative effect on the series, but if EA gave even 1% of a shit they could make it work. They have their MUT money so there's no reason to make it work.
Frostbite is the issue, the frostbite engine was developed for the battlefield series by DICE. Now ea uses the engine outside of it’s intended purpose and i cause issues in all their games, except for the battlefield series. It is also a notoriously hard engine to work with.
@@VulcanLogic anthem was just empty garbage. The engine isn't the problem. It's the lack of incentive for EA to innovate and make a better product because of the lack of competition. 2k has now turned into garbage because of the same reasons as Madden. It has nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with the lack of competition allowing a focus on microtransactions. It's as if EA and Take-Two just decided to allow each to have a sport to dominate.
@@prolific1518 not disagreeing, EA is 100% lazy and refuses to innovate in not just its sports games but in all the genres it makes games for. With that point said, the game engine is still a the problem when it comes to anything other than graphical fidelity and destruction the frostbite engine sucks, you can see this even in the battlefield games, anything that requires proper physics does weird things such as driving which is super floaty and unpredictable and rag dolling bodies that randomly contort like a possessed person when colliding with objects. The issue the engine causes are compounded by the laziness of EA. Hell the fact that it’s been using the same game engine for the past decade shows how lazy they are. They wanted frostbite to be the end all be all game engine so they will continue to willingly ignore its flaws and force it on the consumer
@@Djiony23 imo at the heart of it is EA's unwillingness to innovate their products and that includes the game engine. Rockstar has been using the same game engine for generations now and constantly improving it. Idk of anyone who has complained about it. EA is just lazy and/or simply bottom line focused to the point where it will hurt the company in the long term. When that happens no one knows because people keep spending money on mediocre products. Any competition that requires a dedication of assets it just seems to give up on it (Battlefield and NBA Live come to mind). I think EA is just the most money hungry video game publisher.
Far from perfect, but this was the last madden I actually was able to get through multiple seasons of franchise without simulating and actually enjoying playing the game.
The thing about game modes is that for me, I'm very simple. Give me Franchise and a GOOD Superstar Mode and I'm happy. I would rather have three modes done well than have seven that are done poorly. Quality over Quantity. Some day I want to bring awareness to the issues old Madden games had, too. The downward spiral goes back further than most people think. For example, player roles broke Franchise in the PS2 era. Most roles were supposed to give a temporary awareness boost to players, but due to a programming oversight, the boosts were permanent AND they stacked, meaning after a few years it was 100% possible to have a team full of players with 99 Awareness and for teams to have 99 Overalls galore. It completely busted progression. Not only that but the sim engine was insanely busted in Madden 08 and you would have seasons where Tomlinson would rush for 2400 yards and shatter every record. In my opinion the series peaked at around 2005 or 2006 and once Madden made the move to the then Next Gen consoles, it went downhill on PS2. The AI is also incredibly rigged so that the passing game opens up for the CPU team because otherwise the QB AI will throw five picks a half. You don't even have to do anything special to see this, just go on just about any Madden from the PS2 era and set the difficulty to All-Madden and 15 minute quarters and see how atrocious the QB AI is in a CPU vs CPU game. On All-Pro, the passing game becomes an inconsistent mess of 60 yard bombs or interceptions with no in between. It makes it impossible to just spectate a Franchise and build a universe within the NCAA and Madden games just because of how broken the AI can be at times.
Once they switched to frostbite. I bought 19, it was so bad. I knew every year would be small steps. It needed an entire rebuild. I’m not buying until at least 2030.
I'm a huge modern Madden hater but I love 17s Franchise mode tbh. It had my favorite draft classes of all time, so varied with tons of physical freaks and actually relevant undrafted free agents. Obviously the gameplay was animation based and it still has rubber band AI, but with sliders I could at least get unpredictable games with stats pretty close to the sim stats and that's the most I can ask for at this point.
i played madden 17 player franchise mode for a stupid amount of time until i finally caved and bought madden 20. I vividly remember branden gauden having a voiceline where he breaks the fourth wall and refers to the player as john asking if they are still playing the game. I’ve never seen anyone else talk about this anywhere has those happened to anyone else
Madden 17 is my personal darling. I remember I was a teenager, just gotten a next gen console and I was super excited about the game that year. And it was a lot easier on me because I wasn’t too salty over features lost because I guess I didn’t remember them that much (madden 12 is one my all time favs too) but the way that game played was just so fun and I had a ton of fun just playing franchise as my favorite team. I was a casual/semi sim player, who loved building franchise around fictional layers in the draft. And the gameplay was fun. And it aged amazingly especially with how terrible the new engine is. Every madden since 17 has gotten worse and worse and only until this years madden I’ve finally had some fun in madden 25 this year that reminded me of madden 17. However, I still miss madden 17 more especially considering it was a much less buggy experience. Not to mention, madden 17s soundtrack was one of the best in any madden game ever. I still listen to its songs to this day. And every madden soundtrack has declined since then with just rp genre songs from rap artists who are t even that great like jack harlow. Like Who actually listens to jack harlow? And again, another reason for madden 25 I feel old about it is because the soundtrack is actually kind of nice and easily the best since 17. I personally love it. But… madden 25 has too many issues that simply shouldn’t be in the game at this stage.
The Madden I currently play is 18 which has Frostbite but it isnt fully integrated. The major difference I see is that Frostbite is highly scripted, there are way too many blocked kicks, you can't ever win without the CPU coming back and forcing a close game in the 4th, fumbles are always recovered by the offense even if all 11 defenders are standing on top of the ball, etc. This engine is not for sports.
Need madden 15 retrospective…want ur thoughts on it, you’re very critical of EA and I agree with you on 97% of things in regards to EA, I think madden 15 was a pretty dope madden, it’s the one I go back to play consistently
still the best newest madden you can get. been waiting for this episode for just this comment: this games way better than anything thats come since. last one ill play until they get better. watching your videos ive been prompted to play older ones but still find myself popping in the ps4 disc of '17 to get the closest to modern football gaming and thats hysterically sad considering its almost ten years old now
IDK what it was about Madden 17, but the game just hit for me at the time. I think I made it like 9 years deep into a single franchise save - and I dont think i've made it even half as far in a single save in the entire frostbite era
I played this game, and it felt balanced. Good offensive and good defense. Usually, these new maddens have every new feature. But i guess not to 17, and if i remember correctly, this is the game where Brandon and Charles were first introduced. Then again, I've played. Every Madden game since 97 and the first John Madden football and all the way to 96 soo
I kind of just realized that Madden developers are workers too. I've been at a job where I was told what to do and voiced my opinion saying "hey that won't work," and the bosses reply is "make it work." The developers know where they fall short at but they're told to make it work on frostbite.
Honestly, this is my favorite Madden. I know gameplay and feature wise, the PS2 and Xbox 260 era games were all around better, but for some reason, Madden 17 is just one of those games you love, but just can’t understand why
I remember playing this game a lot when this game came out. I personally would say this is the last okay Madden. It’s not great but can at least enjoy playing it and not feel sad playing it 18-24 are completely different stories.
This was the last madden game I bought and played. I was so angry with how it turned out and I went back to go return it. Now I wish EA could make Madden at least playable like Madden 17. That's how LOW our expectations are.
BRO! Well done, this is exactly the content gamers and developers need to know about madden. I’m 43, I’ve seen em all. EA is an absolute disaster and leaves a shit stain all over the NFL’s reputation, it’s that bad you can smell it too. I genuinely used to get chills when I heard the war cry when warming up a game of madden back in the day, EA sports, it’s in the game! But now it feels like .. EA sports. It’s in the bin. And the bin is a dumpster fire that’s getting pissed on by ratty skinny cats with skin issues n shit…
i recently played Madden 17 again and it felt so smooth compared to everything after it. There is a fluidity to it as opposed to the current clunk of the later Madden games. The other thing I noticed is that when you simulate the computer playing against each other the computer actually uses common sense. If you simulate in the post-Madden 17 product, players will do things like casually let the clock wind down or NOT go out of bounds when they need to get down the field and score a game winning/tying touchdown.
Madden 17 has a special place for me. First madden, first time learning more about the sport, and overall, gave me a new look at the game. Before i knew so little, now i know alot about the game. Madden 17 let me do some crazy things like a rebuild on a team and just overall, so much better than the new maddens.
I had almost 30 days played on Madden 17 which is insane because that was in less than a year, I played this madden everyday for hours when it came out. Definitely my favorite Madden ever
I found a way to cheese the run game a bit. Because this was still somewhat physics engine I found that big heavy running backs were would always fall forward and trucks were OP. So, I’d draft full backs and change position to HB and they’d always dominate. I had this 5’11” 250lb fullback get 20tds and over 1500 yards a season, he was a wrecking ball.
I will always love madden 17. It was my first madden i owned and one of the first games i owned on the xbox one when i finally got one on my birthday. Good times man.
Yeah I agree. The game engine doesn't matter. The problem with Madden now is the haven't had any competition in so long they don't really give a good effort!
Yall mfs crazy if you think the current engine looks worse than the old ones. The newest madden game is easily the most graphically impressive and advanced game in terms of things like animations and stuff
The Mut Draft/Draft Champion modes were my favorite, so much fun. got to play with some strong cards without having to buy/grind for them. i haven't played Madden in years but I figure that's part of why it started being pushed to the back of the game because of a lack of ability to monetize it like the regular Mut modes like the Ranked league thing lol
4:12 kinda fitting the background shows something really cool- instead of showcasing a player stats and their game character doing some awkward animation or whatever they show clips in real life which looks really damn good
i actually just started a franchise in madden 17 like a week ago... i bought this game like 3 years ago for a dollar and finally am starting to mess with it =)
I liked Madden 17. I think this was the one where they introduced LB/L1 high point passing which was the last feature introduced that I can't do without. It's been a while but gameplay did feel really good in that game.
I disagree this was the last good Madden, game play wise it’s the best they ever made. The fact they scrapped Ignite for Frostbite led Madden on the path to destruction which it still has not recovered from to this day. Had Madden continued to build on this game we would be in a much better place. 17 is the best of PS4 era.
Anyone notice how on the newer maddens, at half time teams come out to the middle of the field instead of going to the locker room. It’s pathetic how bad ea is
I played alot of madden 18, 15, and 13 but the one thats most nostalgic for me is madden 12 since that was my first one. There was just alot more you can do along with the title screen and everything else being immersive
My cousin loves the new maddens and told me there was no way the old ones were better, I turned on my ps2 and showed him Madden 07 and he is a changed man😂
Now show him All-Pro Football 2K8
@@SOFTDRINKTV I think his head will explode😂
@@97.3greensports do it. JUST DO IT. ✔️
W mans
Thank you for showing it to your cousin.
Madden 17 is so nostalgic for me. This was my first Madden game I ever got, so it holds a very special place in my heart.
Man you just made me feel ancient. I was playing the N64 NFL games and early PS2 madden as my firsts lmao
@@keiffermaynard3384mine was madden 03.
same, I played my first snap of football and got the game my freshman year, only had a 360 at the time to get the game
My first Madden was 06 on GameCube. 17 was my first Madden I bought new though
Young buck you missed out on 2k5. I feel so sorry for your generation
Draft champions dude. Loved that mode. Fuck ultimate team that shit should be the way to do it
I could never win in mut seasons with the op players and plays but give me a random playbook and a random draft and I'd beat everyone 😭
@@King_Immanueldrafting a team was some of the most fun I’ve had on madden. You’d always get that one player that would carry the team like a 99 ovr Julio jones
The last Madden I can tolerate and when it was not a broken game every second. This Madden is golden compared to Madden's now.
This is probably the last one I can tolerate. 18 is pretty similar though outside of graphics. It feels like it still uses some Ignite engine physics. 19 is when the game went 100% Frostbite
Swerve and Nickel Blitz man
Can tell you didn’t play online
@@SOFTDRINKTV19 was better than both I know it was your first from 08 but it’s better than 20 onwards
Yeah I don't play online much unless it's with friends. I look at these games from a mostly franchise mode perspective
@@SOFTDRINKTV and then the game went to shit, EA lazy sleazy sons of bitches, company that just does not care. I wish the EA license would be opened
Finally Madden 17 retrospect
Still have to do 15 and some older ones but I've almost made a video on every Madden at this point!
@@SOFTDRINKTV pls do 15 it's my fav
@@SOFTDRINKTV15 imo is the most underrated
@@SOFTDRINKTV15 was my first Madden, please do that after this video 🙏
@@SOFTDRINKTVyou should do a video of your updates of your Twitter
NBA 2K25 Review coming next!
What will the score look like? (Answer after playing)
Let’s go!
after that you should do one of the maddens on the wii
Can't wait 🎉
Will we get an NHL review this year?
Honestly it seems the farther you go back the better the Madden games get! I'm actually back to playing Madden 08 on the PlayStation 2. I probably put 20 hours into it in the last few days. Way better than the new one. Crazy statement
Ps2 era madden is legit. PS3 is when madden started going downhill
A man of culture i see. All the 2000 to 2009 along with ncaa were where they were at their peek
I own 05 through 08 on gamecube. Bought them during the pandemic.
The thing abt the older madden on the ps2 is that the controls is trash to me tho
@@positivejameswell after 12
I remember when “Top Stories” would follow the top college prospects with crazy stat lines to keep u on ur toes about who to draft. People like superstar CB from Florida State #21 Leon Sandcastle (Deion Sanders) were dogs and u HAD to trade up for them. Ik I ain’t the only one who like to play GM and enjoy building teams as much as I like to play with them
I know 25th Anniversary had this, i don't know if 17 did, but you could even have Legends come out of retirement. Like Kurt Warner just suddenly shows up in Free Agency or some legendary coaches like Joe Gibbs become available to hire,
Bro I’m letting you know this now you not the only one out there I love stuff like that I wish I could experience that with the college superstar.. I’m mad you can’t even transfer ncaa 25 dynasty rosters to madden 25… but you can do it with rtg
@@jay1k308this is most important for me like why have both games in a bundle but can’t do something we could way long ago?
6:38 THOSE PLAYER INTRODUCTIONS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS REMOVED IN MADDEN 21 FOR NO REASON AND IN MY OPINION MADE IT SO MUCH LESS LIKE A BROADCAST
Sad how those six second qb intros are gone
Madden 17 was my first football game, so it has some nostalgic value to me. This game isnt good, but with how unbelievably bad Madden 19 and beyond has been, looking back Madden 17 and 18 i can say are average games. Wouldnt have said that 6-7 years ago.
17 was my first madden as well. Played the hell out of it and 18. Though I'd say 17 was average and 18 was below average
My first madden was madden mobile 15 which was so much better than the last year I played it after not playing madden mobile for at least 5 years? But Madden 15 was the first Actual Madden I played
mine was when michael vick was the cover 🤩🤩🤩
Madden 2008 is a better game than Madden 2025. NFL 2K5 is a better game than Madden 2025. The NFL really screwed over gamers with the exclusive deal with EA and I know a lot of people blame EA for the deal, but at the end of the day it was the NFL that decided to make their license exclusive.
True you can't just Blame EA you have to blame the NFL for doing this.
@@Fender178I’m 100% blaming EA. They had no business obtaining the license in the first place.
'08 is probably the best Madden ever made. I put '10, '04/'05 in there as well.
@@Fender178u can blame ea they are the most lazy devs of all time
I love this guy. Bombs on madden since 08. From 1999-2006 I bought a copy every year
Madden 17 was my first madden since madden NFL 04 lol. I’ll always remember this one
Finally I’ve been waiting for this one. One of my favorite gameplay Maddens. Too bad I’m currently taking a break from Madden and Football gaming…. I’m just done with these older games having played them for several years now.. I’m currently focusing back to older NBA 2k games like 11 and 10. Such amazing games they are!
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I miss the ignite engine…
should've been the standard for sports games
I remember when you could actually control running backs and agility was a thing.
Learn the buttons and you still can do same stuff as the old Maddens
I started a franchise on Madden 16 today, and I'm actually really enjoying it. Madden 16 and Madden 17 are so much better than today's Maddens, and it's not even close.
Seriously I don't see how
it's literally the same thing. Trash af.
@@Kings0424it’s not.. those games are so barebones.. still is but this era was bad.
@@Kings0424 the fact that Espn Nfl 2k5, All pro football 2k8, Madden 16 and Madden 17 are all better games than the recent releases of Madden is just wild. Because with all the technology Ea has available today. That shouldn't even be a thought.
@coyhawkins6368 I have played ESPN NFL 2k5 and All-pro football 2k8 only once and I absolutely hated both of those games and still do to this day
My first madden was 03 with Marshall faulk on the cover..oh how madden has fallen 😮💨
Madden 2003 was fire 🔥
@ShawnReed-ny1hd it's crazy that it's still more fun to play than these newer versions..developers used to actually love the games they worked on and it showed in the gameplay 🤷🏾
Same and was the best one!
@charliebrooks4941 it's definitely up there in terms of gameplay..I feel 07 ps2 will forever be goated imo
The training camps to unlock legends was the best.
If Madden 17 had more and deeper features it would be wayyyy better
Every time I see that “6 years of garbage NFL games” graphic on this dude’s videos (like the one on 0:51) I just go into hysterics 😂😂😂
I'm still in high school, so most of the top Madden games ever released were well before my time. Madden 17 was the first madden I ever played, and still my favorite Madden game ever released (though worse than NCAA 25.) To this day, despite owning Madden 25 ( newer one) I still play Madden 17 way more because the presentation and gameplay is way better, even though the only mode you can really still play on the game is Madden 17. Also this was the peak of Draft Champions, which was probably one of the greatest Madden modes ever. The fact that this game that was released in 2016 is still, in my opinion, is still multiple levels above a game released in 2024 and on the PS5 shows how EA absolutely no longer deserves the exclusive license, and I doubt Madden would sell very well if companies like Sony or 2K could make football games. That being said, I'm not sure an NFL 2K would be that great today, even with their history of great football games. With microtransactions pushing games to push companies way more to the online side, I think NFL 2K would be underwhelming, especially with what we see with NBA 2K and MyCareer. That being said, I have no doubt NFL 2K would be way better than Madden today, and I really hope the NFL opens up their license. While on the topic, I hope EA can make an NBA Live again too, as the excellent PS4 era of 2K was made possible by NBA Live providing competition. Alright sorry for writing a whole paragraph.
this video really made me take the rose tinted glasses off. madden 17 was my first madden, and while i always knew it wasn’t great, jesus it’s literally just madden 25 but slightly better animations. still love the memories tho it made me fall in love with football
This is the most played game I’ve ever played.. with well over 1500 hours and I never knew why I kept going back to it.. this video explains it perfectly.. I’ve been waiting for this review for a while.. well worth the wait.
I loved madden on the ps2. I remember being excited to get Xbox 360 back in 2005 and madden was never the same. I’ve been waiting every year for it to get back…
Oh boy, Madden 06 on the 360 was a hot mess!
I hate waiting. I'm not getting any younger.
In 10 years we'll be looking back fondly on Madden 25.
we already are. Madden 25 was released in 2013.
How strange! I played this over the weekend and wondered if you’d do a video on this. I personally enjoyed this and the deterioration since 17 is so so evident.
Same
Same
They need to rebuild the game from scratch without micro transactions and not use the frost bite engine even if it may take an extra year it'll be worth it if it means a quality Madden. Or make a game every other year to make it better and add things and the years they don't release one just update the rosters
Edit: Or just give the rights to 2K
Why do we assume that rebuilding anything from scratch means a better game?
@@shiny460 Technical debt is an assumption a lot of people make because this game largely has the same problems it has had for years
Give the rights to 2k? Uh… maybe not. 😂 2k is on a heavy decline, and I’ve never been a fan of the games like I was Madden.
@@OVOJermey I didn't mean pull a Madden and buy the rights to where only they can make the game I mean make it to where they both can or just open up the rights so there is competition. Because when there is competition then they both make much better games so that they can compete with each other for your purchase.
Sad thing is based on how long it took to make CFB 25, it would take years to rebuild Madden from the ground up. And the only way they'd get rid of the microtransactions is if something was done legislatively to make it to where any games featuring lootboxes and microtransactions have to have an M rating on them as it's basically gambling with no reward.
The practice squad. They waited 10 years to add the practice squad after the jump to the next gen (360/PS3) to add a practice squad. I play older Madden games and scream for a practice squad.
As someone that has been playing Madden since Madden 2000, I may surprise some people here. Madden 17 franchise mode is still my go to ever since my PS2 died. Two things really stand out in this game, player progression and scouting. Player progression because you need to target and develop those 90s overall players over years to get them to their potential. Scouting because it tells you top stats/combine skills so you know how a player might fit into your system (example, I only draft RG with a B or higher run block cause that’s where I like to run the ball). Just my two cents, but Madden 17 is really fun for anyone who likes franchise mode
I miss the madden 17 qb introduction, it showed the highlights of the QB that was always dope to me.
4:12 Why tf would madden ever take out the qb video introduction showing irl highlights 🤦🏾♂️
can you talk about the fall of fifa and the ufc games and how EA just ruins every single franchise
Yes please!
Ufc Undisputed series is vastly superior to ea ufc
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me abt it man I think anything comapred to ea is superior even when fifa was rivals with pes,Pes by far was less polished but in some departments it did things better then Ea did in fifa.EA just is the embodiment of mediocrity in gaming today alongside the rest of the industry
As a “soccer “ fan who’s played fifa since 2004 it’s never actually been great.
It never had the fun career modes filled with depth that madden had on ps2.
@@brianodriscoll2725 agreed it never was amazing like all ea games yet it still has regressed a ton
@@sourhayes1you’re right there !. The one thing fifa had was a non pay to win ultimate team from like fifa 11-16
FIFA ultimate team was actually elite , a 100k gold team which you could grind in like a week would compete with god squads .
I remember 82 rated gold cards like doumbia who you could buy for like 2 match’s worth of coins would be insane .
w video 10/10 finally made the video after requesting it for 2 years
NFL 2k5 will be the good standard forever until EA looses the license and others can make games
i’m playing it now 🐐
Scary how so much in this video applies to FIFA 17 vs EAFC 24
Madden simply sells a new color filter and roster update each year for $70
"Frostbite" makes my eye twitch uncontrollably lmao.
Another banger of a video. I’ve been a fan since the beginning of Covid like 2020
I still play 17. It's the only game I bought new that I never deleted for space
I have the physical copy of this game and well, I still play it. This is the last DECENT Madden and it is to be clear a step down from 16.
this and madden 11 are the only maddens I regularly play.
Madden was of course good on PS3 & 360 but also played well on the PS2 despite being towards the end of it’s lifespan.
Same I love the draft classes on those 2
The whole engine thing is honestly over blown. The same excuse gets made for Bethesda and it's BS.
Moving to frostbite had a negative effect on the series, but if EA gave even 1% of a shit they could make it work. They have their MUT money so there's no reason to make it work.
Frostbite is the issue, the frostbite engine was developed for the battlefield series by DICE. Now ea uses the engine outside of it’s intended purpose and i cause issues in all their games, except for the battlefield series. It is also a notoriously hard engine to work with.
@@Djiony23 True. EA forcing Bioware to use it for Anthem almost destroyed that studio.
@@VulcanLogic anthem was just empty garbage. The engine isn't the problem. It's the lack of incentive for EA to innovate and make a better product because of the lack of competition. 2k has now turned into garbage because of the same reasons as Madden. It has nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with the lack of competition allowing a focus on microtransactions. It's as if EA and Take-Two just decided to allow each to have a sport to dominate.
@@prolific1518 not disagreeing, EA is 100% lazy and refuses to innovate in not just its sports games but in all the genres it makes games for. With that point said, the game engine is still a the problem when it comes to anything other than graphical fidelity and destruction the frostbite engine sucks, you can see this even in the battlefield games, anything that requires proper physics does weird things such as driving which is super floaty and unpredictable and rag dolling bodies that randomly contort like a possessed person when colliding with objects. The issue the engine causes are compounded by the laziness of EA. Hell the fact that it’s been using the same game engine for the past decade shows how lazy they are. They wanted frostbite to be the end all be all game engine so they will continue to willingly ignore its flaws and force it on the consumer
@@Djiony23 imo at the heart of it is EA's unwillingness to innovate their products and that includes the game engine. Rockstar has been using the same game engine for generations now and constantly improving it. Idk of anyone who has complained about it. EA is just lazy and/or simply bottom line focused to the point where it will hurt the company in the long term. When that happens no one knows because people keep spending money on mediocre products. Any competition that requires a dedication of assets it just seems to give up on it (Battlefield and NBA Live come to mind). I think EA is just the most money hungry video game publisher.
Far from perfect, but this was the last madden I actually was able to get through multiple seasons of franchise without simulating and actually enjoying playing the game.
The thing about game modes is that for me, I'm very simple. Give me Franchise and a GOOD Superstar Mode and I'm happy. I would rather have three modes done well than have seven that are done poorly. Quality over Quantity. Some day I want to bring awareness to the issues old Madden games had, too. The downward spiral goes back further than most people think. For example, player roles broke Franchise in the PS2 era. Most roles were supposed to give a temporary awareness boost to players, but due to a programming oversight, the boosts were permanent AND they stacked, meaning after a few years it was 100% possible to have a team full of players with 99 Awareness and for teams to have 99 Overalls galore. It completely busted progression. Not only that but the sim engine was insanely busted in Madden 08 and you would have seasons where Tomlinson would rush for 2400 yards and shatter every record. In my opinion the series peaked at around 2005 or 2006 and once Madden made the move to the then Next Gen consoles, it went downhill on PS2. The AI is also incredibly rigged so that the passing game opens up for the CPU team because otherwise the QB AI will throw five picks a half. You don't even have to do anything special to see this, just go on just about any Madden from the PS2 era and set the difficulty to All-Madden and 15 minute quarters and see how atrocious the QB AI is in a CPU vs CPU game. On All-Pro, the passing game becomes an inconsistent mess of 60 yard bombs or interceptions with no in between. It makes it impossible to just spectate a Franchise and build a universe within the NCAA and Madden games just because of how broken the AI can be at times.
Once they switched to frostbite. I bought 19, it was so bad. I knew every year would be small steps. It needed an entire rebuild. I’m not buying until at least 2030.
the presentation going BACKWARDS with better hardware..... how????
Cause these similac babies gone buy it every year cause they don’t know any better so madden has no reason to change.
because the Engine they switched to is over 15 years old and has barely been updated since.
Madden 92 on the Super NES was one of the first Maddens I played when I was 6 yrs old in 97 before I got Madden 98 on the 64
92 is when my Madden journey started too
@@GHOST91141 I still have a bunch of the old Madden games on PS2 from Madden 03 all the way to Madden 09. Madden 05 is my favorite of all time ❤️
I'm a huge modern Madden hater but I love 17s Franchise mode tbh. It had my favorite draft classes of all time, so varied with tons of physical freaks and actually relevant undrafted free agents. Obviously the gameplay was animation based and it still has rubber band AI, but with sliders I could at least get unpredictable games with stats pretty close to the sim stats and that's the most I can ask for at this point.
i played madden 17 player franchise mode for a stupid amount of time until i finally caved and bought madden 20. I vividly remember branden gauden having a voiceline where he breaks the fourth wall and refers to the player as john asking if they are still playing the game. I’ve never seen anyone else talk about this anywhere has those happened to anyone else
14:40 and by Madden 25 we would be able to run Offense only practice without full uniform. Just Helmet and jerseys, like in real life or 7 on 7.
First Madden game I consistently played so it’s very nostalgic to me. Not a good game but the gameplay is still way better than it is now
Madden 17 is my personal darling. I remember I was a teenager, just gotten a next gen console and I was super excited about the game that year. And it was a lot easier on me because I wasn’t too salty over features lost because I guess I didn’t remember them that much (madden 12 is one my all time favs too) but the way that game played was just so fun and I had a ton of fun just playing franchise as my favorite team. I was a casual/semi sim player, who loved building franchise around fictional layers in the draft. And the gameplay was fun. And it aged amazingly especially with how terrible the new engine is. Every madden since 17 has gotten worse and worse and only until this years madden I’ve finally had some fun in madden 25 this year that reminded me of madden 17. However, I still miss madden 17 more especially considering it was a much less buggy experience.
Not to mention, madden 17s soundtrack was one of the best in any madden game ever. I still listen to its songs to this day. And every madden soundtrack has declined since then with just rp genre songs from rap artists who are t even that great like jack harlow. Like Who actually listens to jack harlow?
And again, another reason for madden 25 I feel old about it is because the soundtrack is actually kind of nice and easily the best since 17. I personally love it. But… madden 25 has too many issues that simply shouldn’t be in the game at this stage.
The Madden I currently play is 18 which has Frostbite but it isnt fully integrated. The major difference I see is that Frostbite is highly scripted, there are way too many blocked kicks, you can't ever win without the CPU coming back and forcing a close game in the 4th, fumbles are always recovered by the offense even if all 11 defenders are standing on top of the ball, etc. This engine is not for sports.
Need madden 15 retrospective…want ur thoughts on it, you’re very critical of EA and I agree with you on 97% of things in regards to EA, I think madden 15 was a pretty dope madden, it’s the one I go back to play consistently
The graphics and lighting looks great
still the best newest madden you can get. been waiting for this episode for just this comment:
this games way better than anything thats come since. last one ill play until they get better. watching your videos ive been prompted to play older ones but still find myself popping in the ps4 disc of '17 to get the closest to modern football gaming and thats hysterically sad considering its almost ten years old now
IDK what it was about Madden 17, but the game just hit for me at the time. I think I made it like 9 years deep into a single franchise save - and I dont think i've made it even half as far in a single save in the entire frostbite era
I remember thinking the gameplay in 17 was okay, even though there was nothing to do in franchise.
Larry Ridley intros hit different😢
I’ve seen all from 1980-Now what a life of gaming
It's hard to believe this is the Madden I played the most simply because it was a pack-in title for my Xbox One S.
THANK YOU SO MUCH 💜THIS IS THE ONLY MADDEN I PLAY TO THIS DAY!!! You read my mind n wishes🙏🏾
I played this game, and it felt balanced. Good offensive and good defense. Usually, these new maddens have every new feature. But i guess not to 17, and if i remember correctly, this is the game where Brandon and Charles were first introduced. Then again, I've played. Every Madden game since 97 and the first John Madden football and all the way to 96 soo
Dont for one second drool with admiration for this game. Madden 17 was buns. Nostalgia just blinds people.
I kind of just realized that Madden developers are workers too. I've been at a job where I was told what to do and voiced my opinion saying "hey that won't work," and the bosses reply is "make it work." The developers know where they fall short at but they're told to make it work on frostbite.
Honestly, this is my favorite Madden. I know gameplay and feature wise, the PS2 and Xbox 260 era games were all around better, but for some reason, Madden 17 is just one of those games you love, but just can’t understand why
Crazy coincidence!, I was just searching for a madden 17 retrospective a couple hours sgo
I remember playing this game a lot when this game came out. I personally would say this is the last okay Madden. It’s not great but can at least enjoy playing it and not feel sad playing it 18-24 are completely different stories.
Heater inbound 🗣️🔥
This was the last madden game I bought and played. I was so angry with how it turned out and I went back to go return it. Now I wish EA could make Madden at least playable like Madden 17. That's how LOW our expectations are.
BRO! Well done, this is exactly the content gamers and developers need to know about madden. I’m 43, I’ve seen em all.
EA is an absolute disaster and leaves a shit stain all over the NFL’s reputation, it’s that bad you can smell it too.
I genuinely used to get chills when I heard the war cry when warming up a game of madden back in the day, EA sports, it’s in the game! But now it feels like ..
EA sports. It’s in the bin. And the bin is a dumpster fire that’s getting pissed on by ratty skinny cats with skin issues n shit…
i recently played Madden 17 again and it felt so smooth compared to everything after it. There is a fluidity to it as opposed to the current clunk of the later Madden games.
The other thing I noticed is that when you simulate the computer playing against each other the computer actually uses common sense. If you simulate in the post-Madden 17 product, players will do things like casually let the clock wind down or NOT go out of bounds when they need to get down the field and score a game winning/tying touchdown.
Madden 17 has a special place for me. First madden, first time learning more about the sport, and overall, gave me a new look at the game. Before i knew so little, now i know alot about the game. Madden 17 let me do some crazy things like a rebuild on a team and just overall, so much better than the new maddens.
I had almost 30 days played on Madden 17 which is insane because that was in less than a year, I played this madden everyday for hours when it came out. Definitely my favorite Madden ever
I found a way to cheese the run game a bit. Because this was still somewhat physics engine I found that big heavy running backs were would always fall forward and trucks were OP. So, I’d draft full backs and change position to HB and they’d always dominate. I had this 5’11” 250lb fullback get 20tds and over 1500 yards a season, he was a wrecking ball.
fb rush was a 90% lock on 4th and 1 due to the animations lmao.
I will always love madden 17. It was my first madden i owned and one of the first games i owned on the xbox one when i finally got one on my birthday. Good times man.
Besides the point of this well thought out video, it made me smile seeing AP running in a viks uniform
Good job bud, the consistency and length of your videos are amazing! One day, you shall slay the EA Dragon and the victory will be legendary! 👌
The game engine really doesn't matter, it's what you do with it. There have been an innumerable amount of great games made on terrible engines.
Yeah I agree.
The game engine doesn't matter.
The problem with Madden now is the haven't had any competition in so long they don't really give a good effort!
@@TOdoubledizzle24 Bruh it's just a video game like damn stop complaining
When they switched to frostbite they just ported the physics and gameplay engine over. The distinction fans make between the two is mostly nonsense
@@Kings0424 a BAD game
I love your videos! I literally get excited when I seen a new one.
This is my favorite Madden and I played the shit outta it, I still miss the old engine.
My dad bought me madden 05 on the gamecube and he bought 07 and kept it for himself 😂 Still my fav one!
i was blessed enough to play madden 08-present, and needless to say, god I miss the old maddens.
This game had that op Vikings defense
Yall mfs crazy if you think the current engine looks worse than the old ones. The newest madden game is easily the most graphically impressive and advanced game in terms of things like animations and stuff
madden 17 was the first sports game i bought and oh boy how i truly miss it 😪
The Mut Draft/Draft Champion modes were my favorite, so much fun. got to play with some strong cards without having to buy/grind for them. i haven't played Madden in years but I figure that's part of why it started being pushed to the back of the game because of a lack of ability to monetize it like the regular Mut modes like the Ranked league thing lol
Madden 17 was actually kinda goated and superb I had a friend who played this after college and the old Madden stuff.
This is still the madden I play rn lmao
I play madden 07,08 on the ps2 but I normally play ESPN football 2005 on the PS2
I can barely remember playing it but somehow I put 303 hours on Madden 17. Still one of my most played games. 😂
4:12 kinda fitting the background shows something really cool- instead of showcasing a player stats and their game character doing some awkward animation or whatever they show clips in real life which looks really damn good
The graphics and animations were truly outstanding during this era.
i actually just started a franchise in madden 17 like a week ago... i bought this game like 3 years ago for a dollar and finally am starting to mess with it =)
I liked Madden 17. I think this was the one where they introduced LB/L1 high point passing which was the last feature introduced that I can't do without. It's been a while but gameplay did feel really good in that game.
I disagree this was the last good Madden, game play wise it’s the best they ever made. The fact they scrapped Ignite for Frostbite led Madden on the path to destruction which it still has not recovered from to this day.
Had Madden continued to build on this game we would be in a much better place.
17 is the best of PS4 era.
Been playing this one recently. The draft is better than the one we got now. They literally have announcers in it
I loved the opening with gronk just strokin his shi 4:49
Crazy how the block kick dive animation is stil exactly the same 8 years later
I actually bought a physical copy of this game for the XBox One the other day. Haven't spent but a few minutes looking around.
Anyone notice how on the newer maddens, at half time teams come out to the middle of the field instead of going to the locker room. It’s pathetic how bad ea is
I played alot of madden 18, 15, and 13 but the one thats most nostalgic for me is madden 12 since that was my first one. There was just alot more you can do along with the title screen and everything else being immersive