The Fleet that Built an Empire!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- in this weeks fundraising video i take a look at the would-be conquerors of Krios. The klingon Fleet of the 22nd century. During the span of the Enterprise tv show we see a wide range of very distinct klingon ships, giving us an image of a rather eclectic Klingon fleet in this period. but is this seemingly irregular force capable of something more than petty raiding?
We shall see...
Models from: www.deviantart...
Special thanks to "The 4th Combined Fleet" for the Star Trek Online renders
‘Nother video, ‘nother donation. That was the deal Venom.... keep ‘em coming!
I'm curious to see some other 22nd century fleet synopses. UESPA, Vulcan, Romulan, Andorian, Orion, and Xindi. Maybe even comparison videos like the Dominion War ones.
Me too lynn
@@shanenolan8252 I figure if we can't afford to outright suggest these things, it doesn't hurt to show what there is an interest in. Then maybe one of the folks that can afford it will see the idea, and think "hey, yeah, I wanna see that too."
@@lynngreen7978 agreed lynn . And a good suggestion is usually appreciated.
The 22nd century is an interesting period though some powers are more well rounded than others.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I mean, UE is pretty much rounded- saucers and globes stuck onto engineering sections for days.
The Klingons here are indeed making a quite the effort in the 22nd century to pronounced themselves as one of the new major powers of the Beta Quadrant. It does show how they are catching up with the older powers, slower than the Humans are, but with more of a head start to do so. It has been interesting to watch all of these videos between the Kriosians and Klingons.
Also, all these mentions of torpedo boats & analogies to Eastern Europe makes me think of a certain infamous auxiliary ship.
What ship might that be?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 ; The Kamchatka.
@@occultatumquaestio5226 "Do you see torpedo boats?"
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I would think that the torpedo armed ships would soften up big targets like the battleships with torpedoes at range and then send in the gun ships.
The klingons came out swinging it seems, the strategy of aggressive militarisation could have very easily backfired with the older races going for them to stop the emerging power. But it seems that the dice landed exactly the way they needed them to land and jumped the klingons up the scale of galactic power. Their development of photon torpedo's and disruptors permanently changed the battlespace in their favour, and it would take until the Earth-Romulan war before the galaxy started to follow this doctrine.
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It's a shame that the k'tinga model was used in the show instead of an actual D4
don't worry im gonna make a whole rant on that one day...
I always wanted the Federation, Klingon, and Romulan fleets to have more diversity instead of the same ships over and over again.
@@starbugmechanic5236 yeah a shame we didn't get as much variety in TNG and DS9 as we did in enterprise, limits of the technology.
Till STD Ent was the worse in continuity errors
I had forgotten how good looking is the D5
Thanks for this great fleet breakdown
The Klingons will need those numbers and cooperation to take on the kriosians. And I can see tactics and strategies being developed that would be used against Starfleet in later battles
Yeah it's interesting to think about how their starship development was influenced by the different foes they faced.
How to defeat the Klingons: Hope you brought the right counter tactics. Or just use overwhelming firepower like nobody has ever seen (if you're even capable of that).
Klingons are highly aggressive and suseptable to rash action if they feel dishonored or mocked. This suggested they are suseptable to being goaded into traps.
@@177SCmaro The Klingons are aggressive I will give them that but if you show great power to the the Klingons with your own aggressiveness of large and powerful ships that sucker punch them from time to time like the Romulons do to let them know who is daddy with their over sized war birds the Klingons seem to stay on their own side of the border and respect you. The problem with Starfleet is with Klingons is they show weakness by playing nice with them. The UFP needs to take a page from the Romulons handbook with their galaxy class starships and give them a nose bleed when needed. Klingons are like unruly kids that get out of hand and run over you if you don't spank them and put them in their place.
Have superior logistics and force them into a long war of attrition.
Focus on raising and counter raiding, fighting only where you are strong.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed in every way shape and form and detail possibly provided and very informatively explained indeed, I myself have always been a big fan of the Klingons various ships and vessels indeed, And I myself own pretty much all of the Eaglemoss models of the Klingon fleet except for the crappie looking Discovery ones that belongs in an alternat universe all there own other than the D7. I also have various different model kits in different scales and sizes of various different ships as well👌.
Cheers mate
really cool video. love klingon designs. make a part 2 with newer ships. no discovery please.
i Already have somewhat covered 23rd century doctrine in this video ua-cam.com/video/UkUOfSNwkdY/v-deo.html
and 24th century doctrine in this one: ua-cam.com/video/dKH479Xtuyc/v-deo.html
@@venomgeekmedia9886 thanks
I agree. Discovery sucks where star trek has never sucked before. Discovery is like an ugly girl one went on a date with in their past they don't want anybody to know about. I had to quit watching it to save self respect. LOL.
Both the Klingtons and Romulans are starting to rise into superpowers in this era and threatening others. I think this is what helps create the Federation (who becomes the other major superpower and eventually outpaces both of them).
well in fact the klingons could be said to be ahead of the romulans. given that the romulans lose their war with earth. i think its fair to say they were lagging behind for much of the 22nd and 23rd century.
This is a much better example of an irregular force than what we got in Disco.
looking at some of these ship illustrations, I thought it would be great to see the Klingons start to mark their ships with "war paint" or kill counts indicated on the ship hulls. It would further differentiate the ships from others while also adding a little intimidation for their foes.
I've been thinking about that too. To distinguish the different houses.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes, exactly. It's littery a plate form for some nice artistic opportunities.
Another great video bro! The Trek universe will always be my favorite fictional universe and your vids always add a further depth and richness to it!
Great video! Very interesting to see the Klingon fleet at that time. I would like to see the Vulcan or Orion fleets at that time. Why were the Vulcans seen as powerful or at least somewhat powerful.
All you need to do is look at the size of the vulcan ships!
I truly enjoy your videos on these subjects. Keep them coming!
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@@venomgeekmedia9886 venom, if I put the video on repeat loop does it class as multiple views or just one view revenue wise? If it's the former I'll put the video on loop when i'm afk to help.
@@grimmfandango832 i guess so. youtube now counts video playback from the mobile homepage as a view (So if your on the YT homepage and a video starts autoplaying thats a view now.)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 thankyou
A really great video showing the different ships the size differences & weapons
There was meant to be a D4 in Star Trek Enterprise. The team made up a new CGI model to be used as Vorok's battle cruiser, in the fifth episode of season one called "Unexpected". The producers didn't use it due to "the windows not being prominent enough" and due to time constraints a redesign couldn't be done so they went on to use a K't'inga, a ship that wouldn't be made in Canon until the 2270s.
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Oh yesss I've been looking forward to this :) I commented from my other channel "didn't the klingons conquer them?" lol
Cool video, any day we talk about the Klingons is a good day.
Love these Klingon designs
I remember the ship you meant when you mentioned the enterprise grappler damaging the klingon ships nacelle.
Yeah the D5 like I say shenanigans
@@venomgeekmedia9886 some andromeda ascendant level spaceship grappling from the nx enterprise
If Krios falls it will rise again!
Any state that falls to outside invasion always rises again, its only civil wars or internal division that makes empires fall .
Good video
This is great. Thanks.
I'm still interested in knowing more of your lore's connecting of Kriosian and Klingon cuture. They share a similar language before the occupation... is that through equal trade? Or an older empire's influence over the region? Did Klingons serve in the Kriosian Sovereign Guard like Varangian Guard Vikings?
What's the deal, there, bruh?
Uncertain. Perhaps a common ancestor. Or long term cultural exchange. My idea is to show that often the borders between different nations can get blurry.
I really love the design of the Raptor class and the D-4. I wish there was a 24th century version of it in TNG or DS9 as I feel that as a light cruiser/heavy Destroyer would serve as a bird of prey squadron/flotilla leader ship. Fell in love with it in Star Trek Online and outside of the K'tinga class in that game I don't want any other Klingon ship.
It seems odd for a raptor to have torpedoes but the bigger cruiser not having them
Well because the D5 would almost always be supported by other torpedo-ships. But the raptor might go off on its own.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 fair enough, she was a very impressive ship i was watching that episode recently Columbia and enterprise, couldn't take them , although it was mostly enterprise white Columbia dealt with the escorts, and harrasedthe crusader but in the end both enterprise and Colombia were disabled and the Klingon ships were operable.
@@shanenolan8252 yeah and that bird of prey is pretty meaty too. The augments gave enterprise a run for their money. And in that battle its 2 BOPs
@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes
Should list number of warriors (for boarding) because I presume pretty much every klingon vessel of that period had them.
That would probably just be a subset of the crew.
Not familiar with Orion ships... was there a reason Romulan or Federation ships were not more used by comparison?
Because neither of them fought the klingons in that time.
You know that D-4 thing, There's something off about it.
Not enough windows maybe?
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Are you going to cover how Vulcan Ships compare to these ships in the 22nd Century?
Maybe. since 2016 the vulcans had kept the klingons at bay.
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17:15 - 17:17 Truth...
Defense is inherently stronger than offense however the offense is decisive.
So would the Orion Barges fitted for battle be called an Orion Battlebarge?
yes ;)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Based.
"It is a very good reconnaissance ship" you mean a scout
But in size it's a cruiser.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 a scout cruiser then
@@swssm4741 or just... light cruiser.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 fair enough then
@@venomgeekmedia9886 how do you think a 3 nacelled torpedo heavy battle cruiser would have faired in TOS
17:15
What about the D3? I see them so much in the visuals of your 22nd century klingon videos but they don't get mentioned here. Cannon fodder?
Those were more in the 21st century and by the 22nd century was no longer viable.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Oh...well that's a little dissapointing...so are the shots of them flying alongside D-4s and the like just...no?
@@geekiusmaximus1882 no there would be a overlap period where you'd see both together.
I wonder will the Orions join the Federation
some will. the orions are scattered across dozens of worlds in the quadrant. some end up in the federation, others in the klingon empire.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes i always thought they were technically a neutral power , a trade culture like rygel a neutral protectorate after the federation perhaps, it seems like Orions can join Starfleet, like other non member species if recommended. But its the syndicate thats a problem and irs a multi national organisation and a black market in federation space .
@@venomgeekmedia9886 So planets or parts but not whole
@@45580677 yep
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Just for the heck of it how would you redo the next generation era by any chance
Honestly, I find Klingon ships to be very flawed in designs I mean the space they need to maneuver their ships after their first strafing run leaves them vulnerable to an enemy ship with rotating turrets.
That is a flaw in a lot of the ships used by the powers except for the Vulkans and Earth. It's not a bad strategy for hit and run tactics. It's just 22nd century Klingons didn't have the tech to mitigate the issues of the hull configurations.
did the gorn become a vassal to the empire in the 22nd century or was it the 23rd??
Hard to tell. I feel like it was more a political union rather than act of conquest probably in the 24th century
@@venomgeekmedia9886 it's was probably that I can't remember where the gorn hegemony was but it was probably romulan aggression or federation influence
@@ashleyhedley maps i've seen put the klingons between the romulans and gorn. so not likely. i'd guess it would be some point after 2370 when the klingons start looking like a Superpower again.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 that would be the mid TNG era when Picard was just becoming the captain of the enterprise if I'm right or am I getting my dates wrong lol
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