The Tale of the Children of Húrin (Silmarillion) - Part I

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  • @KS-xk2so
    @KS-xk2so 5 років тому +107

    I have to say, I love the ending of the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. The moment where the men of Dorlomin hold the line and allow Turgon to escape is awesome, and honestly at the end when Hurin fights on alone its my favourite moment in the entire Silmarillion. I think about that moment often. Not only is it badass, but I wonder, obviously the Valar and Morgoth are watching the battle from afar, and by then thats the only fighting still happening. What must they have thought in those moments? Watching a single man fight on alone against the ENTIRE countless legions of Morgoth's army, screaming at the top of his lungs in elvish "Day shall come again!" over and over. I have to wonder if some of the Valar, even for just a moment, felt less sure of their hands off approach, and I like to think that Morgoth, who was probably delighted at the battles result, may have felt it turn slightly bittersweet.

    • @marek_petrovsky
      @marek_petrovsky 4 роки тому +13

      I too picture this scene in my mind often. Fantastic storytelling. The Edain proved themselves then and there.

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so 4 роки тому +12

      @@marek_petrovsky I agree. The Last Stand of the Men of Dorlomin has to be up there with Beren and Tuor's deeds for reasons why the Valar hooked those Men up with Numenor.

  • @ΧρήστοςΜαντόπουλος-ζ8σ

    Children of Hiring is in my opinion the most suited story for a movie from all of Tolkien's works. It starts with a battle, has another battle in the middle (Nargothrond) and the killing of Glaurung in the end. It's a great story and if it would happen and the production stays loyal to the book I think it could be a masterpiece.

  • @natedog101591
    @natedog101591 6 років тому +40

    I just recently was listening to the children of Hurin in audiobook form. It was absolutely fantastic because it was Read to me by none other than Saruman himself, Sir Christopher Lee. I'm glad he had done that audiobook recording at some point before he passed away.

    • @michaeldavison3491
      @michaeldavison3491 5 років тому +3

      Which do you think are the best audio book sites and how much are the subscriptions ? I've never listened to audiobooks but i'm curious now.

  • @gobigblue6782
    @gobigblue6782 6 років тому +26

    " Seventy times, surrounded by foes, Hurin cried, Day will come again!" Gives me chills Everytime I read that passage. Turin and Dragonhelm, and the black sword. Such depth and great story, truly filled with sorrow, starting with Beleg. Can't wait until next week.

    • @jeromes5183
      @jeromes5183 4 роки тому

      dude... yes. crushes me. more and more every time.

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so 4 роки тому +1

      I couldn't agree more. Hurin fighting on alone against Morgoth's entire army basically by that point is my favourite moment of the First Age. Then he literally tells Melkor himself, to his face, to eat a dick and refuses to nark on Gondolin, lol. Hurin is a pimp.

    • @Accomplice1263
      @Accomplice1263 3 роки тому +1

      The sarow really starts when lalaith dies

  • @friendlyandroid
    @friendlyandroid 6 років тому +65

    Such a sad story. But so beautifully told.

    • @davidmarquardt2445
      @davidmarquardt2445 6 років тому

      The tail of Turin may be based on the Greek tail of Oedipus, which if I remember correctly unknowingly kills his father and marries his mother. Not exactly the same story, but both characters share a life history of extreme bad luck and sorrow.
      In Tolkien's time many educated people were very familiar with the Greek myths. And since he had probably read it in the original Greek, he would have a better understanding of it than most.

    • @rexdepriest2623
      @rexdepriest2623 6 років тому +6

      I believe it was actually based on a Finnish tale, The Story of Kullervo

    • @NiedheimAuthor
      @NiedheimAuthor Рік тому

      Cry me a river!

  • @michaelyork4554
    @michaelyork4554 6 років тому +97

    When I had read the entire story, I thought the same thing "The saddest story Ever" Many Ill deeds were done during this time.

    • @MajesticSkywhale
      @MajesticSkywhale 6 років тому +2

      you're quite right. Makes Poe look like...not Poe

    • @corkydunsmore6336
      @corkydunsmore6336 6 років тому +5

      Much of Tolkien's work is heroic tragedy. What message that is, I'm not sure. But my take away is the heroism of striving, even in impossible odds. Perhaps the indelible imprint of WW1 upon Tolkien's soul.

    • @Fuar11
      @Fuar11 6 років тому

      look who it is!

    • @nikolausklinger489
      @nikolausklinger489 4 роки тому

      yes but also the black sword was one of the strongest weapons in all middle earth killing many hundrests of orcs... orcs even feared thwe sight of the blade... so i guess its not all bad, just a bad curse and bad fate

  • @alexshellnot4407
    @alexshellnot4407 6 років тому +57

    Honestly my memory slipped on how unfortunate this tale really was. As mostly I just remember the slaying of Glaurung. But now you have refreshed my memory on this dark tale. The first part of this tale alone has many grave events happen in it. I want to thank you for making this video as it has given me many ideas for a theory of my know either on if the children of Hurin were never cursed or if they were never in the legendarium. great video cant wait until part 2!! :) (also if you want more lotr videos I have uploaded some of my own right.)

    • @Ruosteinenknight
      @Ruosteinenknight 6 років тому +4

      It's highly influenced with by Kullervo's tragic story, which Tolkien was familiar with. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Kullervo If anything Kullervo's story was even more cruel as the only antagonist of his own story is himself and the ending really drives it home: when Kullervo asks his sword if he will drink his blood, the sword answers by mocking him.
      "Miks'en söisi mielelläni,
      Söisi syylistä lihoa
      Viallista verta joisi?
      Syön lihoa syyttömänki
      Juon verta viattomanki."»
      Translation(amateur):
      Why wouldn't I gladly
      Eat the guilty flesh,
      Drink the faulty blood?
      I eat the flesh of not guilty also,
      I drink the blood of innocent also.

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 6 років тому +14

    Absolutely love this tale, Turin Turambar the Dragon slayer is one of my favorite characters in middle earth. It is Turin that is foretold will drive his black blade through melkors black heart thus killing him for good.

  • @quitasistanumberone
    @quitasistanumberone 6 років тому +3

    You bring the Silmarrilion to life....I read World book encyclopedia as a kid....and yet the Silmarrilion was the most difficult book I've ever read. You bring it so well...so beautifully spoken....thank you.

  • @wellis3891
    @wellis3891 6 років тому +47

    I loved reading about hurin and his children in the silmarillion, although I haven’t read the children Hurin

  • @quesera877
    @quesera877 6 років тому +20

    man, Beleg was like the elven-Sam. loyal as hell. that outcome is heart-breaking.

  • @cpegg5840
    @cpegg5840 4 роки тому +22

    Húrin had massive balls to insult Morgoth to his face. Courage is not a strong enough word to describe it.

  • @TheMarcHicks
    @TheMarcHicks 6 років тому +70

    I am so sorry Yoystan, but this is one I simply cannot listen to. Every time I read The Silmarillion, I tend to skip this chapter.....because it breaks my heart too much. Even for such a grim time as The First Age, this story was......dark!!!!

    • @sharonsartisticcorner1195
      @sharonsartisticcorner1195 4 роки тому +8

      Marcus Hicks
      I'm already screaming "HE IS A CHILD, TOLKIEN. IT'S TIME TO STOP" by page one

    • @Samuel-ke1wu
      @Samuel-ke1wu 2 роки тому

      He was tricked into impregnating his own sister...how dark can it get...

  • @scottfree2248
    @scottfree2248 6 років тому +8

    This is one of Tolkein's greatest works! A tragic myth that rivals the legends of King Arthur!

  • @OfficialRedTeamReview
    @OfficialRedTeamReview 6 років тому +64

    Damn brother, you reached 100k!?!!? Congrats! Definitely well deserved.

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 років тому +5

      Thank you man!

    • @jakobcaiden7206
      @jakobcaiden7206 3 роки тому

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    • @georgemarkus8608
      @georgemarkus8608 3 роки тому

      @Jakob Caiden yea, I have been using instaflixxer for since december myself :)

  • @glennross85
    @glennross85 6 років тому +83

    Turin shall return.

    • @Fireeater-rl4ep
      @Fireeater-rl4ep 5 років тому +10

      And Morgoth shall quake in his black boots.

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so 4 роки тому +11

      Literally the only thing that makes me feel better whenever I revisit this downer of a story, lol. In the end Turin gets to put ol' Morgy down HARD!

    • @sofiu-v3p
      @sofiu-v3p 3 роки тому +2

      Our boy is gonna get the appreciation he deserves 😔👊

  • @adriandelatorre8963
    @adriandelatorre8963 6 років тому +14

    This is such a moving and tragic story and one that I've reread over and over again. Thanks for yet another awesome video, Yoystan. Can't wait for next week's video. Keep up the great work.

  • @bobotski01
    @bobotski01 2 роки тому +1

    Why can't this be the series instead of what we got? The ring of power my foot!

  • @repugnant__6379
    @repugnant__6379 6 років тому +14

    Coming thru for everything I missed in the lore, My residence of the Shire will be happy to hear.

  • @narri214
    @narri214 6 років тому +12

    I've been looking forward to this video all week. Excellent video Yoystan.

  • @loganm1586
    @loganm1586 6 років тому +5

    I have always kinda liked the story of Turin. I still remember reading the book Children of Hurin in middle school. It is really tragic tale that echoes a lot of intense themes. I especially love how much of it is basically Tolkien nerding out about Norse legends. The story of Hurin and his children is very very similar to the Saga of the Volsungs, which is also an amazing story that everyone should check out, the Myths and Legends podcast does a really good telling of it with loads of LOTR references.

    • @stalhandske9649
      @stalhandske9649 4 роки тому +1

      The character of Turin and his ill fates accursed from the beginning is derived from Finland's national epic _Kalevala,_ however. The character is called 'Kullervo'.

  • @Khajiitt
    @Khajiitt 4 роки тому +4

    Tragic, but one of the best stories of the legendarium.

  • @Cognitohazzard
    @Cognitohazzard 6 років тому +5

    The best part of Tolkien's legendarium!

  • @DamonNomad82
    @DamonNomad82 6 років тому +5

    I usually avoid this tale because it's so depressing. That said, you do an excellent job of presenting it, as always.

  • @tulkasastaldo4612
    @tulkasastaldo4612 6 років тому +1

    Beautiful video I just read the Children of Hurin and I couldn't put it down it was truly magnificent thank you for this video for those who have not the patience to read the whole story and for those who want a refresher (as I do) I hope to read this book MANY times a sad tale it is but so skillfully written and heartfelt it cannot be skipped . I cannot describe how much I loved this book so I suppose I shall stop trying . thanks again Melon .

  • @HailEarendil
    @HailEarendil 6 років тому +143

    My profile pic feels right at home in this comment section

  • @johnmeyer2072
    @johnmeyer2072 5 років тому +4

    It reminds me of Greek tragedy as I'm now almost finished reading The Children of Hurin. Very reminiscent of the Oedipus Trilogy by Sophocles.

  • @pete8996
    @pete8996 6 років тому +18

    The wait was worth it as always! 💚

  • @davidpelletier526
    @davidpelletier526 6 років тому +7

    My favorite story of Tolkien

  • @RiverbrookDesign
    @RiverbrookDesign 3 роки тому

    "Grief is a hone to a hard mind."..a sudden thought that occurred to Sador while musing upon the early sorrows of Turin as a boy. A quote which has always stuck with me since the first time I had the pleasure of reading "The Tale of the Children of Hurin". Apart from the fact that this quote resonates with me personally, I've always felt that it really encapsulates Turin's mindset from his childhood onward. As his life progressed so did the ever present grief, becoming the metaphorical mental stone upon which his mind was sharpened. A simple yet powerful line in which Professor Tolkien so eloquently foreshadowed Turin's life to come, giving us an early glimpse into the motivations of a mind fueled by love, loss, pride, humility, courage, vengeance, hope, doubt, redemption, and the steadfast fearless will of his father.. Just a few thoughts on my favorite quote anyway that I just wanted to throw out there for anyone who might have glossed over it and give a reminder to those who know it well. Please let me know your opinion as welI if u find the time, this story has always been a favorite tragic tale of mine. As always thank you for the videos so very much, being the only person in my family and group of friends who ventured deep down the rabbit hole of the Legendarium I can say as certainty that your videos have provided a much needed outlet for me as I can now listen to someone who also shares a deep knowledge, love, and reverence for Tolkien's great works.

  • @canadianfreedom8538
    @canadianfreedom8538 6 років тому +9

    thanks for the hard work, it is appreciated

  • @skere272
    @skere272 6 років тому +3

    Great video love how you more concerned about telling the story right instead of just knocking out videos as always👍🏻🧝🏻‍♂️🧝🏻‍♀️

  • @MountainFisher
    @MountainFisher 6 років тому +20

    Tolkien may have said he didn't mean for any of his writings to come from the Bible, but the Silmarillion in too many places sounds like the two books of Kings. He may have subconsciously done it. The stories of failure after failure with some good in-between seems to be more than a coincidence. Reading the Silmarillion gave me the same feelings as 1st and 2nd Kings.
    Another good one Yoystan, don't mind the time to tell the story split in two, it allows for more detail.

    • @loganm1586
      @loganm1586 6 років тому +8

      Actually this story also has a ton of similarities to a particular Viking saga called the Volsung Saga, which has a lot of the same sort of tragedy and honor and warfare. I do love how Tolkein blended these really huge aspects of his life in LOTR

    • @evakkosiili6390
      @evakkosiili6390 4 роки тому +5

      I guess you have heard of Kullervo from Kalevala, finnish eepos?

  • @JonasFilberg
    @JonasFilberg 6 років тому +7

    Lovely explained. 🙏

  • @reeltimewjoe1309
    @reeltimewjoe1309 6 років тому +13

    Been waiting for this one for a long while. Great job!😄

  • @nickobergshow
    @nickobergshow Рік тому

    The first few chapters are really tough to get through, but once the dialogue starts, that’s the heart!

  • @Aurelius00
    @Aurelius00 6 років тому +7

    I became a patreon supporter today! You’re doing great!

    • @MenoftheWest
      @MenoftheWest  6 років тому +5

      Thanks man, I really appreciate the support!

  • @akshayshrim
    @akshayshrim 6 років тому +1

    Yoystan you are progressing into a niche place in lotr fan community. We all love n look fwd to ur vids to remind us of the magic and lure of the lengendarium's body of knowledge.

  • @lukeborst2751
    @lukeborst2751 6 років тому +7

    Loved the book

  • @CH-wp5hp
    @CH-wp5hp 5 років тому +2

    I love how haunting the music is. It complements the story very well. If they ever adapt Children of Hurin for a movie or TV I hope they use a similar style.

  • @lc5286
    @lc5286 6 років тому

    Thank you Yoystan, because with your video you make me stay in Middle-earth for a few minutes, and this is priceless...
    Thank you again, my friend 😉

  • @FATE522
    @FATE522 6 років тому +4

    Best Middle-Earth channel I've ever subscribed to!

  • @orrointhewise87
    @orrointhewise87 6 років тому +1

    Tolkien version of a Greek tragedy, sad but educational
    Thx for doing a vid of this story,
    Cant wait for the next one!! :))

  • @wowjack8944
    @wowjack8944 5 років тому +3

    In the version i read Mim betrayed them with a note that either that happend or his son was kidnapped forcing him to betray them.
    And it was not Beleg throwing the sword, but an other character that disliked dwarves.

  • @molegrip3860
    @molegrip3860 6 років тому

    Thank you - a wonderful treatment of the source material, as always

  • @krakentacos
    @krakentacos 6 років тому

    Thank you for covering this wonderful tale..Great video as usual!!

  • @ScottsMarbleRuns
    @ScottsMarbleRuns 6 років тому +59

    Keep it up Yoystan! Nice verified tick :))

  • @siti_n_i
    @siti_n_i 6 років тому +1

    Boi yes! My reading progress is a bit slow so I've been waiting for this! Thanks a bunch!

  • @aspenryder5091
    @aspenryder5091 4 роки тому +1

    Children of Hurin is my favorite book, hands down.

  • @Apollo1989V
    @Apollo1989V 6 років тому +3

    How much is Turin's fault, and how much did Morgoth's curse cause to happen? I don't think the curse was 100% to blame for his afflictions, but it was significant. His pride and arrogance probably caused as much trouble as the curse.

  • @kaoutherguelmame9572
    @kaoutherguelmame9572 3 роки тому +3

    After a quick thought, I discovered that Hurin and his son are the main reason the three great elvish kingdoms of the first age were destroyed. Turin was the reason Nargothrong was sacked by Glaurung. Hurin took the Nauglarim to Thingol thus bringing destruction to Doriath. And then he went to Gondolin and revealed its hidden location to the spies of Morgoth.

    • @crhu319
      @crhu319 2 роки тому +1

      Yup and according to Rings of Power all the nasty Second and Third Age wars are Galadriel's fault!

  • @DavetheNord
    @DavetheNord 3 роки тому

    This is my favourite tale!

  • @darnunt
    @darnunt 6 років тому +2

    Moral of the story: never talk s**t to a godly being, especially if said being is not benevolent to begin with. Also, don't let your foolish pride guide your action. My first Tolkien experience was "The Hobbit". Going from a fairy-tale like book to this dark tragic novel was a complete shock to me. I was 16 at the time...

  • @Get_Bush_wookied
    @Get_Bush_wookied 6 років тому +3

    This is my favorite story from the silmarillion, I’m getting a Turin’s name tattooed on me

  • @vikke2013
    @vikke2013 6 років тому

    Awesome video! I just noticed your channel and your good narrative skills! You've definately earned a new subscriber

  • @Peasterprogressive
    @Peasterprogressive 6 років тому +10

    Great video!

  • @thebrotherskrynn
    @thebrotherskrynn 2 роки тому

    The day shall come! The day shall come!' Love this line.

  • @leeoulic1887
    @leeoulic1887 6 років тому

    Lurve. Just--LURVE. Please, keep going!!!

  • @bacon81
    @bacon81 6 років тому +7

    Great video as always Brother!

  • @southwestmafia6814
    @southwestmafia6814 3 роки тому +1

    it seems he fought alone and suffered until the very second of his life.
    what a tragic end of a hero.

  • @jbearmcdougall1646
    @jbearmcdougall1646 6 років тому

    Love your stories..... Thank you..

  • @Tyr933
    @Tyr933 4 роки тому

    Love this channel good job, the artwork is beautiful

  • @michaeldavison3491
    @michaeldavison3491 5 років тому +2

    Along with The hobbit and Lord of the Rings, I own this book. Not quite as good as the former but an interesting expansion of the legendarium. Turin is brave but the curse he bears is very cruel.

    • @arckocsog253
      @arckocsog253 4 роки тому

      You can’t compare the two, they’re so different. I love the silmarillion

  • @johnycoho7830
    @johnycoho7830 6 років тому +3

    Great job.

  • @ahmeds9472
    @ahmeds9472 6 років тому +1

    Didnt watch yet but confident that the video will be great

  • @johannilsson5846
    @johannilsson5846 6 років тому +1

    Ah something new! Perfect❤

  • @jlsstirbis9339
    @jlsstirbis9339 6 років тому

    This video was Deep but has a good morale.

  • @elderscrollsbp
    @elderscrollsbp 4 роки тому

    Most beautiful and sad book from Tolkien..

  • @tangle70
    @tangle70 4 роки тому +1

    The book is excellent.

  • @UldisCrystal
    @UldisCrystal 6 років тому +2

    Awesome video, i know that might sound greedy but i would love to see to smallest details xD.

  • @wethelasgana8937
    @wethelasgana8937 6 років тому

    For English class in school I have to do a report on this book. These videos helped

  • @thestreetsiscold1157
    @thestreetsiscold1157 4 роки тому +1

    This story must be made a movie

  • @francescogiovannuzzi1212
    @francescogiovannuzzi1212 6 років тому +3

    This Tale is 1 of the saddest story's of J.R.R. Tolkien that I've red
    Edit: I almost cried on this story

  • @Peachsweets
    @Peachsweets 6 років тому

    I read the book, it's a really sad darker story but I really like that. Good video.

  • @Renaissancemedia89
    @Renaissancemedia89 6 років тому +1

    I love how you slipped in a picture of The Kurgan! 😂

  • @deew187
    @deew187 19 днів тому

    Seriously one of the most tragic tales ever written. Shakespeare has some dark stuff and i think this is right up there with them. All this happened because Hurin stood up to Morgoth. Then he also causes the death of Thingol too. The curse is real

  • @IanHeins
    @IanHeins 11 місяців тому

    Nice work dude thanks

  • @connielewis3623
    @connielewis3623 2 роки тому

    Minor correction. Morwen sends Túrin to Doriath because the king's son in law, Beren, is her close kinsman (I believe they are cousins). Húrin himself did not know King Thingol and did not think too highly of him because he knew he would not send troops to aid Fingon during the Nirnaeth.
    This is an amazing video though with really terrific art to accompany it!

  • @samerzeidan6411
    @samerzeidan6411 6 років тому

    Thank you for these awesome videos❤❤❤❤

  • @Firstsiny
    @Firstsiny 6 років тому +1

    great as always :)

  • @bnktopa
    @bnktopa 5 років тому +1

    This story was officially in Kalevala, and Tolkien loved Kalevala, so he took the story and made it to middle earth shape.

  • @Toolray6985
    @Toolray6985 6 років тому

    Really nicely done!

  • @samjames5134
    @samjames5134 6 років тому +2

    Your videos are amazing

  • @TheHappypippy
    @TheHappypippy 3 роки тому +1

    Beleg was my favourite character.

  • @kevinwessels4810
    @kevinwessels4810 6 років тому

    Nice! What are the odds that you make this video while I'm halfway through re-reading the book right now?
    This is a tragic story, but it is one I have enjoyed re-reading nonetheless.

  • @aghostanimage
    @aghostanimage 6 років тому +15

    Eyyyyyy :)

  • @ForGondor_
    @ForGondor_ 6 років тому

    Great one!

  • @kingjoe3rd
    @kingjoe3rd 6 років тому +2

    At 3:27 that is definitely a picture of the Kurgan from Highlander.

  • @1Ring42
    @1Ring42 6 років тому +6

    A Turin turambar turun ambartenin

  • @spasjt
    @spasjt 4 роки тому +2

    You forgot to say that not only was Hurin the greatest warrior among men in the First Age (possibly even all time) but he actually had the guts to *mock Melkor TO-HIS-FACE!* The whole reason why Melkor chained him to that chair and cursed him and his family was because of this mockery. "For thou hast dared to mock me..."

    • @KS-xk2so
      @KS-xk2so 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah you know you're the ultimate Chad when you are brought face to face with the literal Devil of your world and you basically tell him to go eat a bag of dicks lol

  • @markjupiter4
    @markjupiter4 6 років тому

    Great video mate, as always :)

  • @Freshboii_tru
    @Freshboii_tru 6 років тому

    @Men of the West
    I liked and subscribed about a month ago and love the channel ! I think you should make a video about all the Elven Cities/Homes and give insight on them as the Elves are my favorite race :D

  • @MrRostit
    @MrRostit 6 років тому +4

    The reason Thingol took Túrin as his foster son was because he was a kinsman of Beren. Thingol and Húrin never knew each other.

    • @deepspvce
      @deepspvce 3 роки тому +1

      Thought I was losing my mind. The videos about Beren and Luthien pt.2 says he is the son of Beren and Luthien. Grandson and heir to Thingol’s throne. So where is this Hurin guy coming from now??? Just when I thought I was getting a better understanding of the middle earth mythos.

  • @williamdavies9934
    @williamdavies9934 6 років тому

    I've been waiting for this!! Best channel on here, absolutely love it!

  • @dervy5935
    @dervy5935 6 років тому

    I Haven’t read the Silmarillion yet ...But I’m watching this video anyway cause why not and also it looks like a good story even though I haven’t a clue what is going on BRILLIANT VIDEO(from what I understand)😅😀😃😄😜😍

  • @Skarin1452
    @Skarin1452 6 років тому

    Did you play the Battle for Middle Earth RTS games?

  • @nipnip2551
    @nipnip2551 6 років тому +25

    Do a theory video about what if Smaug and durins bane joined saurons forces

    • @alexshellnot4407
      @alexshellnot4407 6 років тому +3

      I myself did a video on if Smaug joined Saurons forces... well in consequence of the dwarves not reclaiming Erebor. ^^

    • @12345678900987659101
      @12345678900987659101 6 років тому

      Landon Eckert Would During's Bane even submit to Sauron in his weakened form?

    • @nipnip2551
      @nipnip2551 6 років тому

      flyingkoopa45 good question. Well they are both maiar and both of them were corrupted by the same being so maybe there would be a connection between the two to join forces, and since morgoth is gone (well banished) the balrog may serve the closest thing to morgoth, that being his deadliest servant

    • @12345678900987659101
      @12345678900987659101 6 років тому

      Landon Eckert I find it possible Sauron could have seen the Balrog as a potential threat. Compared to other betolerateviewed and tolerated, Shelob for example (Being far weaker than he), and possible Smug in this scenario (Likely promising him wealth and power in return for aiding him in his war. It also would probably have been hard for him to directly combat the Balrog, since Gandalf died slaying it even using the willpower he could (Granted Gandalf likely did not use all his power as not to break the orders of the Valar), and Sauron's greatest servants, the Nine, fear flame. At best Sauron would tolerate him remaining in Moria for the time, in order to guarantee the Dwarves could not reestablish a strong presence in the Misty Mountains.

    • @nipnip2551
      @nipnip2551 6 років тому

      flyingkoopa45 my theory is that if sauron had waited until the elves left he would have had a bigger advantage with the balrog because in all the fights balrog a have been in no man has ever beaten a Balrog, the only people who have beaten a balrog is Gandalf elves and the vala (of course) there are many things that could happen to make this theory fall into place but I see where your coming from with the whole Moria thing

  • @nicholasloremann4741
    @nicholasloremann4741 5 років тому

    I wish that i found this channel sooner

  • @palantir135
    @palantir135 6 років тому

    Thanks a lot

  • @tincanmaniac1931
    @tincanmaniac1931 6 років тому +1

    have you read the unfinished tales by Christopher Tolkien?