Came across your video the other day, searching for my sputtering N14. I figured I’d take a chance and see. WOW, the crap that was in there. If I could show my pic of it, I would. Runs great now, thanks for the video.
My truck has a cumims N14 with the same fuel pressure problem, the system was discharged. Thanks to you and your video, I have solved this problem, which the mechanic recommended that I replace very expensive parts that had nothing to do with this problem.
thanks for the video. I have a 91 Peterbilt 378 with the N14 and high vacuum pressure while running. I had a problem with the truck losing prime and ran a hose from the filter direct to a fuel can and the high pressure went away. thank you for helping me narrow down what it most likely is.
Those check valves are a very common problem with M11 and N14 Cummins, the fitting on the right side of the ecm fuel cooler has a check valve built into the fitting to keep the fuel prime, when the springs get old they don’t push against the seat of the valve causing the your fuel to drain back to your tank, prolonged starts, or even no starts. Detroit 12.7L had a similar idea, but they placed their check valve in the back of the head to keep fuel prime. I wouldn’t advise bypassing unless for emergency. the fuel cooler is essential for cooling the ecm from the heat of the engine.
@jacobking6966 Right side or left side? Everybody else I’ve seen referenced left side as in this video, do some have the check valve on the right side? I took my left side off and it’s just a fitting, no valve, maybe previous owner just put an elbow or do I need to check the right side as well?
my big trucks check valve was totally jammed...Too bad that I spent $1800 & still no results from 3 dealers service depts. None of them even came close to mentioning this valve...Shame on them taken advantage...thanku for info or I would still be stopped
This was exactly my problem. Looked like a plastic grocery bag got into my system and plugged the check valve completely up. Thank you for the information.
Great informative tutorial. Thanks so much. I’ve got an N14 in my T800. So far no issues but in the meantime I’ll be checking those items out now that you mentioned it. Great job.
I've been working on one of my company dump truck's forever trying to figure out how the fuel drains out of the filter after you kill it very informative thanks so much for the video
Thank you. I got my first N14 running in December and I've been having issues. I was going to pull the check valve, but I didn't know about the other filter on the pump.
Nice tip there on both of those little gems. I have to say I really like how you calmly and clearly explain what you are doing and why....I'm suscribed
I would have never known about the filter in the pump. I was going through filters cause I thought they were the reason why. But I did find lots of crap in my check valve. also. Thank you for your knowledge
I wish I could like this tons. You saved me so much headache. Cannot thank you enough for sharing your knowledge truck had some rubber in the check valve (no spring) cleaned it and runs like a top again.
That's for the tip bro I'll be sure to check out those things on my truck I barely got a western star with a N14 and your video is helpful I don't have problems with it but it doesn't hurt to chuck those things thanks
Thanks mate, i have a cummins 3.9 isb, i dtarted checking thw fuel filter with manual pump as those ussually get craked orings qith time, didnt knew this was the check valve, almost replaced the filter base thinking it was all inside and that was just a fitting
thanx boy for that Nice video, have got the samedi problem within an N14, And after spending lots of money i foond a guy that solve it the same way. thanx
Fyi- The re route of the fuel lines is ok for an emergency. However the ecm relies on diesel flowing through the cooler plate to cool the ecm. To permanently by pass it..not recommended.
In the video I rerouted the fuel line just to get home till I found the problem, if continued to drive with out the diesel cooling the ecm it will end up overheating the ECM and will end up costing $1,000.00 replace plus tow. I'll post another video how I reroute the computer (ecm) and I'm using a separate cooler to keep the ecm nice and cool .
Hey man, u won't believe it but after i spent about $3500 on this truck and it still had the same problem . The dealer said to change the throttle, same problem then they said to change the tps and idle validation switch then it works, after all it was the validation switch,
Check the fuel line from the diesel tank nearest to the exhaust pipe if ur still having problems. Ours was cracked and would drain the line from the coolant exchanger whenever down. The truck would start with full tanks but once the level got down to 1/2 the path of last resistance was thru the broken line from the frame to the tee connecting the other tank
I wouldn't recommend bypassing the computer as the diesel cools it.. A way you could check flow thru it is remove the big fuel filter then go to the coolant diesel heat exchanger and take the fuel outlet off and blow on it.. Should be relatively easy to remove gas
My N14 had a straight nipple in it instead of the elbow nipple but it was still the same check valve mentioned in this video. It is located in the same position as this video shows. If your filter is sucked dry when it starts and then dies, then this is most likely the issue. It is a very easy fix and will save a lot of money by doing it yourself. If you change your filter and still is starving for problems then this check valve and the screen in the pump could be your problem.
Just do like the previous owner of my T800 did. Just disconnect everything that doesn't work. My truck when new came with every bell and whistle option they had, but when I got it was running on bare minimal anything. 100+ hours into it and I have about half of the stuff working now.
Yes sir I have a case 580d backhoe with a 4 cylinder Cummins can you tell me where it would be located on it and it's a vacuums line coming out above injector pump from intake
I have a 2000 peterbuilt I got a truck that has been sitting for 10 yeas when I try to turned it on it dem like it’s starving for fuel I did change the filers and new fuel but aits just cranking and cranking but it will not stay in , any sugestión ???
Hi Mr Anderson thanks four your video i have an engine that in low revolutions works perfect but when the revolutions became faster it starts with the failure it seems to be an inyector trouble , i already check them and the 6 inyectors are fine, so i dont know what to do can you help me?
Can you tell me hoow to check for a bad ecm. I have good crank but won't fire up. Everything u showed in the videos is good. New fuel pump. I'm not getting power to the fuel solenoid either. I jumped it heard the solenoid click but still won't fire up
I'm having some of the same issues missing at low rpm only under a load. I also have a issue if it rains the truck will cut off and you have to put a hot wire on the fuel solenoid to get it running. We have tried for a week to figure it out. Also SOMETHING Weird If You Hold It On THE Floor It Will Turn 1400 Rpm As It Suppose to. If you give it 20 seconds or so it will start jumping then bam it tacks out which its not suppose to do sitting still. I by passed my plate about a month ago not knowing about check valve. I'll fix that asap. But I need help on the other issue. The ran deal throws me off
Anderson,For the last couple of weeks my truck was starting when the motor was cold but wouldn't start after it was hot, now it won't start at all.?? Any ideas why? Thank you
I have the same Engine an a Kenworth truck My problem with my truck what it drives the truck shut off but when the truck is parked the truck keep running I’ve change the fuel pump still the same problem only while I’m driving I’ve change the fuel filter’s do you know what it might be
Nice , like to ask you or any one how Know about N14 I have no power coming to the crank sensor it a 4 wire crank sensor what I understand need battery volt Ground and 2 signal going back to the computer ,,, my problem I get no power and no ground , I do have the bise signal on all 4 wire ,
@@andrewdrumfire8023 thanks truck start a month ago just like that , and now is no start again, now I will check the fuel pressure , my crank sensor get 2.5 v on all 4 wire don't know if it ok or not , sensor is new ,
Also , when crancking, what your tachometer look like, shows 0 or 100-200 rpm ? If 0 - check power supply and ground wires to the ECM , check wires to your engine positioning sensor. If 100- 200 rpm on tach change fuel shutoff solenoid and check voltage
thanks . I found a similar check valve and screen in a payloader . No one fix. Dealer gave up. Any engine that is hard to start I put an outboard motor fuel line primer ball between tank and pump. I prime until ball is hard. Motors fire right up. Mack E7 has same issue. Check valve leak back to tank. Thank You
Any idea on black smoke at accelerating only, engine was just rebuilt, new everything except 3 injectors, doesn’t loose any power just to much smoke every time I accelerate.
Do you happen to know what the fuel pressure should be at the spin on fuel filter and if that clogged port raises the fuel pressure. Having issue of bloating filter
Having a similar problem in a work truck think it’s a check valve, it runs happy when you spray three cans of ether to start it other then that it just cranks and cranks
I have an n14 cummins. I have a problem with low power. I changed the injectors, fuel pump, turbo, and fuel lines. The engine stalls on me sometimes. I had the dyno test done and the dyno was ok but the engine is still lacking power. What can I do?
Call Michigan turbo ask for jay...ask for a quick spool turbo...cost about 12 hundred or less if you have a core...he machines it all himself...it added near 55-75 hp...insane difference but don't over rev...never go over 22 hundred...major difference..night and day difference call him
im having stumbling problems in between gear changing then smooths out after about 5 sec. can this may be the problem? im going to do what you did on this video...... thanks. 92 freightliner with n14
The reason why i bypass the check valve and the cooling plate that's behind the ECM is because i'm running different types of fuel and it has to be very worm in order to burn right and if its very worm it not good for the ECM , now i bypass the ECM and i also ran different lines to the ecm using a small radiator with an electric motor to keep the ECM cool (i'm using entifreeze in the new cooling plate) , do NOT bypass the ECM plate cooler with out cooling the plate cause eventually it will burn up the ECM and will cost you tow plus 1000 dollars for a new ECM.
Herbert Stephens Did you replace the small diesel filter thats in front of the fuel pump?? its a very small filter about 1 inch and thats there in case when installing the regular diesel filter and small dirt went in the mini filter will catch anything that passes the big filter this way it wont end up in the injectors.
No , the red solenoid only shuts the fuel off and on, remove the diesel filter and if its half way empty fill it up with clean diesel and reinstall,make sure no dirt falls in and try to crank the truck, if it starts easier you have a problem with fuel draining back to the tank as the truck is shot off for a while.also what kind of truck do you have? example mine is a 98 Kenworth t800 with the N14 and i have an single 150 gallon tank on the passenger side and the main fuel line (supply line) that screws on the tank sometimes gets loose and that will cause to pull air instead of fuel from the pipe that goes all the way to the bottom of the tank, this can also cause random stall or shut down while driving and it needs to be cranked for over a minute to fill the diesel filter back up.
I have trouble getting my truck started it cranks up for about two minutes and if I add starting fluid it starts right away it only does that the first time u started after that it’s good to go would this check valve issue this problems?
Came across your video the other day, searching for my sputtering N14. I figured I’d take a chance and see. WOW, the crap that was in there. If I could show my pic of it, I would. Runs great now, thanks for the video.
My truck has a cumims N14 with the same fuel pressure problem, the system was discharged. Thanks to you and your video, I have solved this problem, which the mechanic recommended that I replace very expensive parts that had nothing to do with this problem.
Today I replaced the small wire filter you mentioned and problem solved. Thank you very much for the info.
Just bought a N-14, thanks for the video. I will probally just replace the one filter, and remove the check and clean it before I put it in service.
thanks for the video. I have a 91 Peterbilt 378 with the N14 and high vacuum pressure while running. I had a problem with the truck losing prime and ran a hose from the filter direct to a fuel can and the high pressure went away. thank you for helping me narrow down what it most likely is.
Those check valves are a very common problem with M11 and N14 Cummins, the fitting on the right side of the ecm fuel cooler has a check valve built into the fitting to keep the fuel prime, when the springs get old they don’t push against the seat of the valve causing the your fuel to drain back to your tank, prolonged starts, or even no starts. Detroit 12.7L had a similar idea, but they placed their check valve in the back of the head to keep fuel prime. I wouldn’t advise bypassing unless for emergency. the fuel cooler is essential for cooling the ecm from the heat of the engine.
@jacobking6966 Right side or left side? Everybody else I’ve seen referenced left side as in this video, do some have the check valve on the right side? I took my left side off and it’s just a fitting, no valve, maybe previous owner just put an elbow or do I need to check the right side as well?
my big trucks check valve was totally jammed...Too bad that I spent $1800 & still no results from 3 dealers service depts. None of them even came close to mentioning this valve...Shame on them taken advantage...thanku for info or I would still be stopped
Dealer will never tell you about that check valve unless you are a good Costumer.
This was exactly my problem. Looked like a plastic grocery bag got into my system and plugged the check valve completely up. Thank you for the information.
Great informative tutorial. Thanks so much. I’ve got an N14 in my T800. So far no issues but in the meantime I’ll be checking those items out now that you mentioned it. Great job.
That was really informative Didn't know about that one way check valve on the Elbow
Thank you so much. Rare to see a guy with a Select Plus like I own posting on UA-cam.
I've been working on one of my company dump truck's forever trying to figure out how the fuel drains out of the filter after you kill it very informative thanks so much for the video
Thanks for this video. I had fuel problems with my truck and I try your fix and the check value was dirty . Works good now !!
I'm glad this video helped :)
Thank you. I got my first N14 running in December and I've been having issues. I was going to pull the check valve, but I didn't know about the other filter on the pump.
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Nice tip there on both of those little gems. I have to say I really like how you calmly and clearly explain what you are doing and why....I'm suscribed
I would have never known about the filter in the pump. I was going through filters cause I thought they were the reason why. But I did find lots of crap in my check valve. also. Thank you for your knowledge
I wish I could like this tons. You saved me so much headache. Cannot thank you enough for sharing your knowledge truck had some rubber in the check valve (no spring) cleaned it and runs like a top again.
Thank you very much for the great informative video. this saved me a lot of heartache. Great job !!
That's for the tip bro I'll be sure to check out those things on my truck I barely got a western star with a N14 and your video is helpful I don't have problems with it but it doesn't hurt to chuck those things thanks
Thanks mate, i have a cummins 3.9 isb, i dtarted checking thw fuel filter with manual pump as those ussually get craked orings qith time, didnt knew this was the check valve, almost replaced the filter base thinking it was all inside and that was just a fitting
Respect to the MAX... AND MAY YOU BE BLESSED...
And now I know where it is. Thank you for great video!!!!
Sure info mate, well done. Love your work.
Thanks bro had heard of that check valve but could never find it thanks for sharing
Thanks bro resolved my problem with the check valve
Gracias amigo no sabía de esa válvula ❤
thanx boy for that Nice video, have got the samedi problem within an N14, And after spending lots of money i foond a guy that solve it the same way. thanx
Great video!!!!, easy to follow, very useful tips, clear voice and video image.. Two thumbs up
Cool Video .
It's not Pressure it's Vacuum. Vacuum is measured in Inch Mercury .
You're probably right I'll have to confirm my checking the line to see where it's mounted.
Great video Eddy, thanks for the tips!
Thank you. Very well explained and helpful.
You earn yourself a subscriber 👍. Great info
Great video, thanks for the info, it really helps.
Fyi- The re route of the fuel lines is ok for an emergency. However the ecm relies on diesel flowing through the cooler plate to cool the ecm. To permanently by pass it..not recommended.
In the video I rerouted the fuel line just to get home till I found the problem, if continued to drive with out the diesel cooling the ecm it will end up overheating the ECM and will end up costing $1,000.00 replace plus tow. I'll post another video how I reroute the computer (ecm) and I'm using a separate cooler to keep the ecm nice and cool .
Hey man, u won't believe it but after i spent about $3500 on this truck and it still had the same problem . The dealer said to change the throttle, same problem then they said to change the tps and idle validation switch then it works, after all it was the validation switch,
Freaking lifesaver man thanks 4 info
Thank you thank you thank you for your advice man I appreciate it
Gracias nadie me dijo del filtro pequeño al final de la bomba en estos momentos tengo un N14 que se baja el nivel del filtro y no arranca 👍
Very informative 👌🏼
ECM check valve blew a hole in the line I’m assuming because it was leaking and bubbles of diesel was coming out after it shut off
Good tips bro. Thank you.
Thanks men ,problem fixed 👌
Thanks for the info, I'll be doing that next.
Very good master
Man thanks alot I'm gonna replace all these items just because
Valuable information thank you very much
Check the fuel line from the diesel tank nearest to the exhaust pipe if ur still having problems. Ours was cracked and would drain the line from the coolant exchanger whenever down. The truck would start with full tanks but once the level got down to 1/2 the path of last resistance was thru the broken line from the frame to the tee connecting the other tank
I wouldn't recommend bypassing the computer as the diesel cools it.. A way you could check flow thru it is remove the big fuel filter then go to the coolant diesel heat exchanger and take the fuel outlet off and blow on it.. Should be relatively easy to remove gas
Hi,
Is it the same way we go about solving a Cummins M11 fuel running back and making it hard to start?
My N14 had a straight nipple in it instead of the elbow nipple but it was still the same check valve mentioned in this video. It is located in the same position as this video shows. If your filter is sucked dry when it starts and then dies, then this is most likely the issue. It is a very easy fix and will save a lot of money by doing it yourself. If you change your filter and still is starving for problems then this check valve and the screen in the pump could be your problem.
Good job bro , I had a same problem
Have the engine but im having trouble with it turning on ,it cranks but wont start. I replace the fuel pump seloniod and fuel filter and still nothing
Check your fuse by the ECM
Great helpful video bro... Thanks
Super knowledge sea this every day shoot more videos n 14
hi Anderson you saveme alot money thankyou
Thanks Guy
Keep 'em coming
Muy buena está información me sirvió mucho gracias amigo
Se ve bien pero no le entiendo el ingles
Serias tan amable de explicarmelo gracias
Just do like the previous owner of my T800 did. Just disconnect everything that doesn't work.
My truck when new came with every bell and whistle option they had, but when I got it was running on bare minimal anything.
100+ hours into it and I have about half of the stuff working now.
Sup bro I'm working on a Cummings ISM410 And it isn't pulling fuel from the tanks my lines are new.
Appreciate your video
Hi Anderson,love the video.Jast wandering if all this work for ISM Cummins? Thanks
I'm not sure on other Cummins since I only have the N14 .
Really really helpful, thanks a lot !!!
Yes sir I have a case 580d backhoe with a 4 cylinder Cummins can you tell me where it would be located on it and it's a vacuums line coming out above injector pump from intake
The strainer can be easily cleaned with either. When metal shavings are found here , it is a sign of fuel pump failure or soon failure .
thank you for your help. ill give it a look
Wow this great information thanks for sharing
I have a 2000 peterbuilt I got a truck that has been sitting for 10 yeas when I try to turned it on it dem like it’s starving for fuel I did change the filers and new fuel but aits just cranking and cranking but it will not stay in , any sugestión ???
Hi Mr Anderson thanks four your video i have an engine that in low revolutions works perfect but when the revolutions became faster it starts with the failure it seems to be an inyector trouble , i already check them and the 6 inyectors are fine, so i dont know what to do can you help me?
Hello sir whats the part number on that elbow
Fuel filter drains on my n14 I have the clear see thru filter system, I don't see the elbow behind the ECM
Whats the best way to bleed a N14
I will be doing this with my truck tomorrow. I will let you know how it turns out. I will be putting on an AirDog too.
Can you tell me hoow to check for a bad ecm. I have good crank but won't fire up. Everything u showed in the videos is good. New fuel pump. I'm not getting power to the fuel solenoid either. I jumped it heard the solenoid click but still won't fire up
Logan Adams Possibly replace crank senser.
Crazy Videos ok thanks alot..
Location please..
Crank Sensor is located next to air compressor and oil power steering pump. It's roughly $40 bucks to replace often goes bad
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I'm having some of the same issues missing at low rpm only under a load. I also have a issue if it rains the truck will cut off and you have to put a hot wire on the fuel solenoid to get it running. We have tried for a week to figure it out. Also SOMETHING Weird If You Hold It On THE Floor It Will Turn 1400 Rpm As It Suppose to. If you give it 20 seconds or so it will start jumping then bam it tacks out which its not suppose to do sitting still. I by passed my plate about a month ago not knowing about check valve. I'll fix that asap. But I need help on the other issue. The ran deal throws me off
Might be the computer…
Anderson,For the last couple of weeks my truck was starting when the motor was cold but wouldn't start after it was hot, now it won't start at all.?? Any ideas why? Thank you
I have the same Engine an a Kenworth truck My problem with my truck what it drives the truck shut off but when the truck is parked the truck keep running I’ve change the fuel pump still the same problem only while I’m driving I’ve change the fuel filter’s do you know what it might be
Nice , like to ask you or any one how Know about N14 I have no power coming to the crank sensor it a 4 wire crank sensor what I understand need battery volt Ground and 2 signal going back to the computer ,,, my problem I get no power and no ground , I do have the bise signal on all 4 wire ,
your ECM might be fried , try to connect a different ECM and see if that solves it
@@andrewdrumfire8023 thanks truck start a month ago just like that , and now is no start again, now I will check the fuel pressure , my crank sensor get 2.5 v on all 4 wire don't know if it ok or not , sensor is new ,
Check voltage to fuel shutoff solenoid, if voltage too low or no voltage = no start
It's $80 or so , I'd change it if it's old
Also , when crancking, what your tachometer look like, shows 0 or 100-200 rpm ? If 0 - check power supply and ground wires to the ECM , check wires to your engine positioning sensor. If 100- 200 rpm on tach change fuel shutoff solenoid and check voltage
The fuel is routed through the ecm to keep it cool
thanks . I found a similar check valve and screen in a payloader . No one fix. Dealer gave up.
Any engine that is hard to start I put an outboard motor fuel line primer ball between tank and pump. I prime until ball is hard. Motors fire right up.
Mack E7 has same issue. Check valve leak back to tank. Thank You
Any idea on black smoke at accelerating only, engine was just rebuilt, new everything except 3 injectors, doesn’t loose any power just to much smoke every time I accelerate.
Do you happen to know what the fuel pressure should be at the spin on fuel filter and if that clogged port raises the fuel pressure. Having issue of bloating filter
Doesn't That heat exchanger help cool the computer?
Having a similar problem in a work truck think it’s a check valve, it runs happy when you spray three cans of ether to start it other then that it just cranks and cranks
Is there a primer on this engine?
I have an n14 cummins. I have a problem with low power. I changed the injectors, fuel pump, turbo, and fuel lines. The engine stalls on me sometimes. I had the dyno test done and the dyno was ok but the engine is still lacking power. What can I do?
Call Michigan turbo ask for jay...ask for a quick spool turbo...cost about 12 hundred or less if you have a core...he machines it all himself...it added near 55-75 hp...insane difference but don't over rev...never go over 22 hundred...major difference..night and day difference call him
Awesome thx for sharing
I have a m11 only runs at high rpm 1500 ,,thinking fuel filter in pump ??
How do you fix that problem?
Is there only one fuel supply line? Or is there another return line or is the main hose the supply too
That's the main fuel supply to the fuel filter and fuel pump.
i have a problem with my pete the fuel keeps running from the right tank over in the left tank what could cause this problem?
Larry Henry check your tank air vents one is clogged
im having stumbling problems in between gear changing then smooths out after about 5 sec. can this may be the problem? im going to do what you did on this video...... thanks. 92 freightliner with n14
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did you ever fix it? if so can you tell me how?
Isx engine have same thing?
Hey it takes a long time no start I don't really know can you help me?
you should clean the cooling plate behind the ecm as well.
Thankz 4 video.. bout 2 get a pete with a n14 in it
Is there an o ring on the cap for the filter on the pump?
The line u bypass from the fuel filter do that help I see u ran fuel lines and that that u shape one out
The reason why i bypass the check valve and the cooling plate that's behind the ECM is because i'm running different types of fuel and it has to be very worm in order to burn right and if its very worm it not good for the ECM , now i bypass the ECM and i also ran different lines to the ecm using a small radiator with an electric motor to keep the ECM cool (i'm using entifreeze in the new cooling plate) , do NOT bypass the ECM plate cooler with out cooling the plate cause eventually it will burn up the ECM and will cost you tow plus 1000 dollars for a new ECM.
Herbert Stephens Did you replace the small diesel filter thats in front of the fuel pump?? its a very small filter about 1 inch and thats there in case when installing the regular diesel filter and small dirt went in the mini filter will catch anything that passes the big filter this way it wont end up in the injectors.
@@AndersonERockefeller whats the part number for the small fuel filter in front of the ecm
Anderson I got a n14 like yours and it takes while to start what's the fuel solinoide do its on your video it's the red one by pump
No , the red solenoid only shuts the fuel off and on, remove the diesel filter and if its half way empty fill it up with clean diesel and reinstall,make sure no dirt falls in and try to crank the truck, if it starts easier you have a problem with fuel draining back to the tank as the truck is shot off for a while.also what kind of truck do you have? example mine is a 98 Kenworth t800 with the N14 and i have an single 150 gallon tank on the passenger side and the main fuel line (supply line) that screws on the tank sometimes gets loose and that will cause to pull air instead of fuel from the pipe that goes all the way to the bottom of the tank, this can also cause random stall or shut down while driving and it needs to be cranked for over a minute to fill the diesel filter back up.
Good video!
I have trouble getting my truck started it cranks up for about two minutes and if I add starting fluid it starts right away it only does that the first time u started after that it’s good to go would this check valve issue this problems?
Cam position sensor. $35.
Hey man my N14 have a same problem a will chance that litle firter maybe thats is the problen