WiiM ULTRA Has AMAZING SECRET FEATURE NOBODY'S Talking About!!!
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- What if I told you the WiiM ULTRA Streamer has an AMAZING SECRET FEATURE that NOBODY on the internet is talking about... would you watch this video? It's is the hottest AUDIOPHILE COMPONENT OF 2024... I bought it... and I UNLOCKED A UNIQUE FEATURE! Thanks for watching. If you ENJOY my content, please support my channel by SUBSCRIBING and hitting the bell so that you can be NOTIFIED when my vids drop! Cool!
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I feel like it's just a matter of time before the Wiim Ultra and Wiim Amp have a love child that's a streamer with a good DAC, a larger screen, and a class D amp in the same package, maybe around $500-ish. I have no inside knowledge about that, but it seems like the next logical step.
@@davidbono9359 Looking forward to what the future brings from WiiM.
I would pre order that thing right now before they even name it.
Another thing reviewers fail to mention about this piece is if you hook a turntable up to it (God only knows why anyone would), and run the "room correction", you've just turned all your analog vinyl playback into DSD first via a AD converter, then through whatever the heck the "Correction" does, then through a DA converter.
Also, did they fix the 1 volt input max on the RCA's? Most CDP's output 2 volts Wiim.
@@daleboylen6427 Good notes... thanks!
Yes your correct and I can ad that the high level input does that too !
But the unit is a very very good streamer /dac/ preamp for such a low cost !!
And its functionality is superb
Ok my Eversolo DMP-A8 is better but this is 85%-88% as one reviewer said and I agree with that
For 85% of people it’s a killer
@@trevorlees1241 Sadly, for songwriters, copy write holders, streaming music is also a killer. $0.006 per play is about average. That's great if your name is Taylor Swift, but for even most established bands, it's peanuts.
So it's really big junk?
@@roybatty6368 Did I say that??
I wonder if SMPS in the Wiim ultra can be upgraded with LPS like Eversolo streamer, because as the pure steamer Wiim pro I upgraded with custom LPS, power and USB cable was a clearly next level streamer. I know this for sure, because I have two Wiim pro and I do compare them in the same system simultaneously. With an upgrade I can hear better texture, extra bottom end, smoother and more extended high, wider sound stage, more definition on vocals, just about every aspect of sound has improved. I like the Wiim ultra, but if it can not be upgraded with LPS, I am not interested since my upgraded Wiim pro is the next level streamer already.
Nice job Bob! Yes, creative innovations like the ground plug are COOL stuff and I agree it is a neglected feature. I'm an audio enthusiast. I'm not going to be audiophile ... looking for the unicorn of equipment that takes us to Nivana (unless of course you are listening to Nirvana). I want to upgrade my Yamaha R-N303. I love the Musicast eco system, my ability to go from A (my 2 channel room) to B the patio all from the app. I can also link this unit to my Yamaha RX-V6A HT to play current source(s). The quick path to upgrade is the R-N800, $1000 on sale. I'm intrigued with the WiiM Ultra and thinking there might be a different path. Any thoughts here? BTW, how does the WiiM control volume? I would use the WiiM for all my streaming platforms and CD changer, maybe Phono .... connecting with RCA Out. Like I said, I'm an audio enthusiast. Thanks!
Very observant grasshopper.. I agree that phono ground post is an awesome idea that should be universal .
@@thecat6062 Thanks! I thought it was unique. There may be a reason why this isn't feasible. Someone mentioned oxidation of the contact was problematic... but that seems like a stretch under normal conditions. I just thought it was convenient!
I'm going to buy one of these because of this amazing game changing feature and I don't even have turntable.
I'm in the "weem" camp too, Bob. Like a Nintendo WII with an "M" on the end.
First time I heard it, was pronounced ‘weem’, so that’s how it’s always gonna be pronounced in my head.
There were 101 million Wii's shipped worldwide, I think "weem" has to be the accepted pronunskiashun.
I gurantee that if these reviewers submitted to a blind listening test between Wiim and their favorite streamer using the same speakers and amp, they would NOT be able to pick out their favorite streamer consistently. All this talk about DACs is just another way for these corporations to seperate people from their money. Remember the old saying 'a fool and his money are soon parted'.
Yeah... they also say "scared money don't make money!"💰 But, you might be right!
There is a saying that the fool doesn't know he is a fool so if I tell the fool that he is a fool then does the fool know he is a fool or am I being the fool for asking such a foolish question? It’s unfortunate that you haven’t had a musical experience with a great DAC. Yeah, i know, its job is to convert 1’s and 0’s to an analog format, and if there was some sterile exact process, then all DACs would sound the same. But DACs can be delta sigma, R2R and a plethera of differnt chips and resistors. How the analog section is implimented makes a huge difference to how a DAC sounds. You can tell a ESS Sabre from an AK4499, or a Burr Brown. Swap up the op amps and tell me you can’t hear a difference.
@@papigrande4378 I agree.
Yeah, I mean I don't find too much difference in all of the various filters, in general though, this thing seems to be a great DAC. I'm comparing it to my Denon x5200w doing all of the processing, it is almost 10 years old but was over $2k new, this DAC stomps it to the ground haha.
Guarantee ? Maybe I suspect or I suppose would be more appropriate than I guarantee ? When stereo came in the 60s, people also complained it was a useless proposal by manufacturers to take away the money of music lovers.
I agree though that we miss by all reviewers blind tests.
LOL ... probably not the game changer Bob describes, but it does point out how poorly most reviewers check these devices out before publicly gushing about their features. Most, I rather suspect, simply hook stuff up and listen for a few minutes then start writing their sales pitches.
@@Douglas_Blake_579 I dig deeper!!!
I'm listening to you through a WiiM Ultra right now. Is integrated Bob another hidden feature?
2nd best feature!
And where is the Dang VU Meter Screen, CMON WIMM!!!!
There is a single meter option that can be toggled in the app. Not enough screen real estate for two!
Erm Bob. You do know that it's not supposed to be detachable ? You just don't know your own strength.
Incidentally I ordered a Waxwing yesterday. Pretty much entirely down to you even though you haven't reviewed it yet. It's a phenomenal concept.
@@jimfarrell4635 I m sure the Waxwing review will garner much vitriol because of the DSP nature of the device.... but it's so much fun!
Talk about hyperbole...a removable GROUND lug is its greatest feature? Was this supposed to be posted on Arpril 1st?
Tell me it's not a needed innovation!
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog it's handy but also another point of failure, when the spring contacts holding in the plug becomes oxidized
@@ewoutbuhler5217 You're bringing me down, Man!
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog ok...it's not a needed innovation
Recessed RCA inputs though….urgh. ..such a pain in the
rudy tune. My JBL 104bt have the same, also a pain for better plugs.
Not a fan of recessed rca ins! I guess WiiM gives and WiiM taketh away!
I run a second ATLP120xUSB so other people aren't frobbing my good TT. Something crazy just passed by my brain. What would the USB out of the LP120XUSB sound like through the Wiim Ultra USB in as a preamp/DSP?
I don't know. Im currently playing around with the Waxwing DSP phono preamp! Pretty cool concept!
I herd it's not pcm no it might not work as it's supposed to go to a computer for recording... im intrested to find out if it is possible tho because I actually don't know. Please let me know when anybody finds out
@@thanatoasbingus4253 WiiM Ultra USB is slated for output only per the product page. I'm ordering a USB BtoB and going to try the 120xUSB out with another integrated DAC/Amp.
I am super interested in that WaxWing, though.
Hey Bob, I have a Wiim amp and I want to get back into vinyl. How do I deal with the ground wire of a turntable? Love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Not, Wiim Amp has no phono input, you'll need an additional phono pre-amp if the connected TT is just at phono level, which it seems to be as you have a separate ground wire...
My 1979 JVC turntable doesn’t use a ground wire.
My 70s Thorens doesn't use one either.
My JVC QL-A75 does. 80s model
less expensive technics turntables use a plug in ground like the Wii
I'm kind of disappointed in the Ultra. I doubt it will perform significantly better than a pro into an external DAC
Heard!
What amplifier you recomend for the wiim ultra..??
@@renecadillo2894 what's your budget?
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog .....700 $ DLLS
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog ...700$ DLLS.
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog700 dólares
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog700 dólares.
Bob, did you try out the room correction feature? The Boston Audiophile tried that with his tube amp and Klipsch Cornwall speakers and he was happy with the result.
Y s! Super easy process and it seemed to be a benefit.
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I run the Wiim Pro feeding my Denafrips DAC ..abd it’s good .
Btw,I just started up the vinyl ..again …I pulled my Linn LP12 out of storage..and it’s still pretty darn good!
@@carminedesanto6746 Nice!
😂😂😂 I expected to get a secret feature like a remote desktop from the little-screen-ui for my also-old-eyes shown on my imac 27“. Cheers from another oldeyed blind man..😂..great review! Helped me to not-buy this Ultra and stay oldschool.😊
I don't know if the removable ground connector is the best feature, but I do agree that it's a good idea.
@@robertmear Great minds think alike!
well I ain't talkin about it, but one question - is this truly analog only?
Nobel prize worthy!
@@danclark4361 I accept the award!
Did it get Apple AirPlay yet?
No. They announced that it wouldn't shortly before launch.
@@stephenc6648 thank you
Not really the same form factor. It is bigger size wise from the amp and not just in height. They don't really stack very well.
Yeah... hence the newer imminent amp
Why would you stack them?
They don't complement each other
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog I hope so, Kind of bummed out it wasn't the same size as the current wiim amp to stack.
The Ultra has best wifi . 😮 😊
To me, these products (that include power amps at least) are counterintuitive to what market they belong to. We have seen a heap of these sub 100wrms (into 8 Ohms) amps paired up with mostly small, low efficiency speakers. May be fine for lifestyle product market and those used to Bluetooth speakers and mini desktop systems, but certainly not for the audiophile faction.
I'd prefer some budget name brand AVR hooked up to a mini pc/PC/cell phone, even if just using 2 channels of it. More power, sub outs, bass management etc. Once we get over the idea that all of these products need to fit on a desktop, better options become available. Otherwise, this is just a bunch of software in a box.
I tried the Wiim Pro and was relatively underwhelmed compared to my desktop PC based system with AVR that I can hook up just about any speaker to, with loads of headroom on tap. Windows PC/Equalizer APO > USB DAC > 120WPC Denon AVR > 12" speakers and a pair of 12" Dayton HiFi subwoofers. It also drives any of the low sensitivity bookshelf speakers with ease. This all fitting around a small desktop that takes up around 4' x 6' of space, all in.
Nothing worse for an audiophile than living with a system that 'almost' has enough power with little to no headroom. All of these small amps end up at their limits, hanging by a thread. Not buying into any more 'cute' systems.
A side note on the amp, I just had 2 of them from Amazon and returned them both. Although I would 100% agree with you when used as a steamer/amp when I used via HDMI as a sound bar alternative it failed miserably. Wouldn't hit 70db at full volume. Apparently this is an issue from what I researched. I reached out to Wiim and they did respond quickly. They said the amp only works with PCM and will not work with Dolby. I made sure I was using the amp without either so I was doing as told.....very rare that I ever do as told ;-). This is with a bedroom system using a pair of CSS Torii bookshelves (great value) rated at 87db so not easy but not difficult either, pretty typical for bookies. Again, I had zero issues driving the speakers while using their streaming apps and could easily hit low 80's which is as loud as I would ever listen in this system. Hate to be a naysayer but, I thought others should be aware. Also, keep up the reviews as soon as I see them pop up I watch as everyone needs a good chuckle and your insight on products.
I just ordered a Bluesound power node edge, we willl see how that works
Hey, Man... thanks for the extensive notes. Sorry you had problems! Def a lower volume listen. Thanks for the kudos.
Well done sir even if someone mentioned it they did not explain how to hook it up they glossed over it cheers
@@789ghost342ghost I just dig deeper!!!
If the removable ground connector on a digital streaming dac is it's best feature, then therein lies the problem. An analog phone stage does not belong on a digital streaming dac in my opinion.
It is a preamp too. I bypass it myself.
Weem! Fun video my friend.
No Apple Air Play 2 so…..
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The reason why it's not been done before is it's a ground ! The .more mechanical connections the higher likelihood of increased resistance.
Yeah, another viewer was concerned with oxidation of the connections! Still think it practical, if not exactly mechanically sound! Maybe they have it figured out. Thanks!
Nice job Bob!!!
Is de USB also out? And how does it sound with USB out with a good DAC?
It sounds great. I have mine going into the 1st gen J2 Dac.
Wait, so one cannot usb connect pc/laptop to the Ultra? I assumed it could but i read the usb is for attaching storage. Kind of missing a big feature. It really could have been a can-do-it-all a.k.a ULTRA device.
Waste of 10 minutes.
Sorry to disappoint.
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog No problem. Just a clickbait title, and the big reveal was a......(drum roll please!)..... phono ground. You are not entertaining enough NOT to put up legit content. I would advise: less what you think is funny or entertaining and more substance. But that's just my opinion. We live in a country where 45%+ citizens support Trump, so what do I know? Seriously, before you make a video, ask yourself: what value do I add to what's already out there? Don't just make videos to draw clicks.
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Thank you for your time and efforts to share these perspectives with us all. Always appreciated. Take care.
If this ground thing is the greatest feature of this unit, I feel sory for those who bought it 😂
Why... they have the coolest component ever!
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Get to the point.
@@williemclean3224 Precisely