I rewatched Endgame last night and I was moved to tears at that point. I felt even for Captain America (who I'm usually very harsh on) because he was teary-eyed as well. I know the guy takes on more guilt than he should, but... Well, I agree with Tony. They should have been ready, they knew it was coming. Oh, well, I guess the box office wants what the box office wants.
Even i thought about that point while watching Civil War n maybe purposly they didnt use that line in the movie cuz theirs no more argument then. the gov was wrong and has no rights to control the avengers then.
I'm real glad someone did this scene bc it's one of my favorite scenes in the MCU. A few other things I noticed: -Even though he is wearing it casually, Tony is wearing a suit, putting him on the side of the "establishment" and "the man" -Steve calls what Tony is doing to Wanda "internment". He could have said gulag or concentration or whatever, but he chose a shameful thing HIS country did as a comparison. -In the beginning of the scene Steve is sitting and Tony is standing, and once Wanda's situation comes up, Tony is the one sitting and Steve is now standing, show the shift in power in the argument.
This is beautiful! A very nice analysis! It is so easy for some to dismiss Marvel movies as simple superhero movies, but scenes like these show the depth of the story, narrative and the characters.
not really ... a gulag or a contentration camp is a very specific camp... Wanda is not in a camp. using the world gulag would be completely unwarranted and incorrect. Internment on the other hand (since he didn't say 'internment camp' is just a very generic term for 'incarceration'). Not saying that there isn't some merrit to the point, but there really was no conceivable way in which steve could have said either of those words without sounding ridiculous.
"And then and then and then, I never stopped. Because the truth is I don't want to stop." Such a deep line. Adds SO MUCH to Tony's arc so effortlessly. Civil War is GREAT.
Note that steve got mad after tony called wanda as "weapon of mass destruction". There are possible reasons for this: 1) Steve was offended. In AoU, Steve sees the twin like himself, people who were willing to be experimented on for their country. That's why he never got super mad at the twins after they sided with Ultron (Wanda even was the one who showed Steve's weakness). He always tolerates Wanda for her actions. Also, he always feels like he was used by the goverment as a tool or weapon that can be controlled because of that fact. Even more so after Winter Soldier. And when Tony said that, he probably thought that Tony didn't see some of the Avengers as a person. That's why he didn't believe/ rejected Tony's word that Tony was only trying to keep the team together (which is of course absolutely genuine from Tony) 2) Steve felt responsible. He blamed himself after what happened in Lagos. He felt that Wanda got all the blame instead of him. And when Wanda was confined and was referred to as that term, he felt even more guilty.
I'm not so sure that Steve feels like he was used by the government though, he practically fought tooth and nail to get in. He feels betrayed that it doesn't share his sense of honor and loyalty. It's knight realizing he's given his oath of fealty to an evil king.
"Weapon of mass destruction" also dehumanizes Wanda. Tony can take his armor off and be a person with human rights in the eyes of that law, but to the Sokovia Accords people who are perpetually powered, like Wanda, Steve, Bruce, and Thor, are just weapons, weapons of mass destruction, and when you're not using powerful weapons for violence or intimidation you securely lock them up somewhere.
The action is just the added bonus, the eye candy. It's the relationships, the characters, how each of these people come from different walks of life to weave together something greater. Fantastic analysis and video
There was a symbolism with the pens I thought was really interesting but haven't really seen anyone address was that the box the pens were stored in symbolised the Avengers working within the laws. But since the Accords were signed into place, Steve, having taken the pen out and then returned it but left it outside the box, not only foreshadowed the Avengers breaking apart, but also foreshadowed Steve being on the outside of the law and on the run. I honestly haven't seen anyone address that. I've seen people address it as the Avengers breaking up, but not as a foreshadowing of Steve (and the other half of the Avengers) being outside the law after refusing to sign the Accords.
This shows the tragedy of a civil war better than any other movie I've seen. It's easy to label one side as totally in the right and the other totally in the wrong. But here, *both sides are right* . Tony is correct in saying that there needs to be better oversight and accountability, because at the end of the day, people's lives have been put in jeopardy, and people have died because of their actions, while the Avengers haven't been made to answer for any of it. But Steve shows from his experience in the Winter Soldier that you can't trust governments or multi-national organisations, and that the Sokovia Accords limit the Avengers far too much in that not every country has signed it, and they could be stopped from intervening in a crisis. At the same time, both sides are wrong. Tony's approach, from what we see later on, has too much potential for authoritarian abuse from those in power. But Steve is no better, since he's advocating rogue vigilantism and intransigence over Bucky, who has killed a lot of people, brainwashed or no. That sounds a lot like obstruction of justice.
What I love about this is that while they are both right, infinity war doubles as a way to prove they were both wrong. Ultimately both sides thought that the other side would prevent and prohibit them from saving people, and yet at the start of infinity war we see that both sides are still saving lives and doing the right thing
I'll have to admit, I didn't watch your vid based off of the other chucklefucks you were grouped with in this Playlist. However this is very well done. So here's a like. Also thank you for praising this very underrated MCU film. The character work in this movie is fantastic, but is overlooked by many for the more bombastic MCU films.
The problem is, while Tony may have a point in principle, that the Avengers need accountability, there is no contest as to who is right in practice. The accords are outrageous and authoritarian as they are in the movie. Even in the final scene, Tony is 100% in the wrong. Yes, Cap shouldn't have kept what happened to Tony's parents from him, but Tony knew Bucky was brainwashed and STILL attempted to murder him in cold blood... There is no defense for Tony's actions here. There is no justification for the accords, as they were in the movie.
@@toatahu2003 I think the ending is really just the straw that broke Tony's back. Yes he knew he was brainwashed but at the end of the day he killed his parents. While I don't agree with his actions I can understand him. In the span of a few days the avengers broke up, he found out that his fight to keep the world save might be putting the world in more danger, and his friend Steve (who he tried to help after finding out Bucky's innocence) has been lying to him about the truth of his parents death. Of course he would be seeing red and go for blood. With the accords I believe Tony say it as the means to an end. As an starting point that can be changed down the line if they play ball now. Still I understand why people get frustrated with Tony in this movie.
@@GIGio_Official Oh, I understand his reasoning, yes. I get WHY he does what he does. The problem is, it destroys the equal footing the and Cap are suppose to have. Sure, Tony has some good points, but Cap is right and was right from the beginning. Tony was wrong about literally everything. You can't say, "Well neither is totally in the right here," when Tony is so CLEARLY on the wrong side of this fight. Cap made ONE mistake: not telling Tony about Bucky killing his parents, but even THAT is undercut by Tony immediately TRYING TO MURDER BUCKY the second Cap tells him... Clearly Cap was RIGHT not to tell him, because Tony couldn't handle that information... I get WHY, but Tony's side has ZERO merit by the end of the film. Even Rhody turns his back on the Accords by Infinity War. Whatever good points Tony may have had are irrelevant in the context of both his actions and the Accords themselves. It's like someone pushing for peace in 1941... Good message? Maybe. In this context? Hell no.
Steve calling Wanda's confinement to the Avengers Compound "internment" was no accident. He lived during a time when US citizens were locked up in prison camps for simply being of Japanese descent.
To say that marvel fans like to watch these "soulless" movies only for the action scenes would be wrong. We LOVE to watch them for the action scenes. But what we love even more is the epilogue between characters. That's the heart of the mcu, no space portals, no evil robots or mad titans, the characters and their relationships with each other are the core and the heart of these films and the amazing action scenes are padding to make an even greater exepriance.
And is an example of why the MCU works and the DCEU doesn’t. These movies have spectacle but that is just the backdrop to the human story. WB just gives us spectacle. The characters don’t learn anything or grow at all in the DCEU.
WB needs to follow their animation division. They get it. They had powerful emotional moments in Saturday morning cartoons. Story arcs that lasted whole seasons.
If i was a creator would totally be the scene i chose - Thor has always been my fav (even before Ragnarok made him cool again) and that scene is so well acted and the crux for all of his growth. Good call ;)
What I love about this is that while they are both right, infinity war doubles as a way to prove they were both wrong. Ultimately both sides thought that the other side would prevent and prohibit them from saving people, and yet at the start of infinity war we see that both sides are still saving lives and doing the right thing
Tbh i think tony makes some sense but trusting in a global government isnt a smart idea like NATO or the league of nations. Tony kinda wants the responsibility on someone else because he has too much guilt and fear already doesn't know how to handle it.
I don't think he doesn't want responsibility, but the fact that he sees that with him and Steve at the head of the avengers things haven't gotten any better so he doesn't think he can handle the responsibility anymore. But still very good points.
@@GIGio_Official part of me actually thinks a major driving point for Tony was his all consuming fear of thanos again. Pretty much everything he does is because Tony fears that there is something horrible looming in the future that they can't defeat. In Age of Ulton Steve promised they'd fight this together. So Tony trying to hold the Avengers together is not just him trying to hold his family together, but also the one last chance he has against 'whatever is coming'. There are multiple scenes in the movie that show that Tony himself isn't happy with the accords. I think he genuinely believes that they are a step in the right directions, but out of my head I think there are at least three scenes when he says/hints to him not being completely happy with them either but seeing them as a 'minor inconvenience compared to a (very ominous) alternative'. I think Tony finds himself in a situation where he put all his hopes in the Avengers, strengthening their position, but then the world (in a way) turns away from the Avengers, and he can't have that. So he's willing to compromise in order to keep the Avengers not just together as a team but also as a team that is supported by the rest of the world. If the Avengers were hated by the Governments, had to hide or run from the law that would (and did) weaken their position and thus weaken every chance they'd have against the ominous threat. On the other hand if the Avengers could stick as a team, maybe recruit new allies, have the armies, intel and people of all the governments backing them, they'd be all the stronger for it even if they'd lose some independence.
@@GIGio_Official Tony absolutely wants to avoid responsibility. After his speech at MIT, the mother that confronts him at the elevator tells him that she considers *him* responsible for her son's death. Tony gave Whiplash tips on improving his arc tech. He created Ultron. His crud dismissal of Killian 20-some years prior put him on the path of revenge. Tony recognizes all of this and doesn't want that burden, and in doing so, he becomes just the biggest hypocrite. At the start of IM2, he tells Congress that he is privatizing world peace, but now he's willing to cede the authority to deploy the Avengers (potentially even himself as Iron Man) to government. Does this mean he's changed his mind on the merits of government controlling people of mass destruction? Or is Tony still being self-centered? He *is* the Iron Man. He thinks he can privatize world peace. And when the weight of his hubris catches up to him, he seeks to avoid personal responsibility for his actions through the Sokovia Accords. Beyond that, he even considered not helping in Endgame because he found personal happiness with his family- to hell with literally half of the universe. I might argue that Tony has made only one truly selfless act, which goes without saying.
The moment when steve says that he knew and tony fell back with a look on his face like he was betrayed on the deepest level. omg the acting in that scene was able to portray every single emotion so incredibly well, insane props to chris and robert for being so good at acting.
Everyone talked about how Civil War had no ramifications because Steve sending him the phone at the end showed they were "good," but I love how the subsequent movies continued their feud, even up to the first 10 minutes of Endgame. It took Tony over 5 years to get over his falling out with Cap and its probably the sole reason why it took them so long to complete their mission in Endgame.
I feel like this scene is a key to everything that happens between Tony and Cap throughout the movies. -Cap only knew single playboy Howard... the same Howard that was hitting on Peggy which obviously made Cap jealous. (See: First Avenger) -Cap meets Tony and he has the same personality as Howard, Tony becomes a surrogate Howard for Cap. (See: Avengers) -Tony felt unloved by his father and his father was always talking about this Captain America guy which made Tony resent him before he even met him.(See: Avengers) -Tony resents him even more once he meets him for being so "perfect"...everything he feels he isn't.(See: every movie after Tony meets Cap up to the end of Civil War.) -Then Tony resents him because he's NOT "perfect" from Civil War thru Endgame before coming around after the 5 year time jump. All of those threads seem to join up for this conversation (except the Endgame part, obviously)
MCU Captain America isn't perfect, but he's usually right. And unlike Tony, who is trying to do the right thing out of guilt for his past and fear the future, Steve is trying to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing. Is he stubbornly loyal to Bucky? Yes, but he's essentially proven right about that too - that the Bucky he knew is still there under the surface of the brainwashed assassin.
It doesn't change that at this point Tony doesn't know Bucky isn't still brainwashed. And yes Tony is doing a lot of this out a fear and guilt a lot of his decisions in this movie and prior movies is based on statistics. Vision said it himself since he became Iron Man super villain attacks have gone up. Yes a lot of his actions are a reaction to his guilt and fear but those insecurities come from facts and stats. Hansen him trying to be more pragmatic in this scene.
@@GIGio_Official Maybe. Steve may not have been 'a boy scout', but who turned out to be the worthy one? You see I believe Steve was always the one. He moved the hammer in Ultron while Tony made a joke about rape. He would not have been able to budge that hammer if he wasn't. I believe he didn't want to at that time. Even Thor said in Endgame, 'I knew it".
@@GIGio_Official Not just statistics. The problem is that the Avengers are being blamed for issues that weren't their fault. Only a single incident could actually be blamed on the Avengers and that incident was caused by Tony's carelessness... But that was also something that wouldn't be affected by the accords, that was one of his personal projects going wrong. In fact, all the people that are hurt are those the Avengers fail to save. So blaming them makes no sense. Do you blame firefighters for the deaths of people they were not able to save? Or maybe call all hospitals without a 100% chance of saving all lives murderers??? But when the Avengers fail, it's all of the sudden their fault... somehow...
how's that the fault of the poor guy who's car they crashed during the chase scene in the tunnel with bucky, steve and black panther? Or the guy who's motorcycle bucky stole? Not sure, but he surely didn't get away unhurt.
@@TheDeathmail how about wanda uses her power and blowing it up in the building?oh she didnt know how to control his power but the lives of innocent people died because of that also that was the time that they made the socovia accords tony wants to live a peaceful life but suddenly he cant sleep because of his fear
I'm very glad you came at this in a neutral way and not "See this is why Steve/Tony is right." So many people make it out like one side actually has more point to it than the other, but there isn't. When I first watched it, Cap seemed like he was an idiot and Tony was 100% in the right, but then I remembered Shields helicarriers, America nuking itself, Hydra corrupting everyone, all the evil that came from the stuff people did trying to prevent evil. Both sides are equally right and wrong.
I don’t think tony is being pragmatic, he consistently tries to shield the world in poor ways because he is pathologically fearful of grand dangers in the universe. Steve was wise enough to know that this kind of centralized control is more dangerous to us than if the superheroes are free.
I feel like Tony thinks he is being pragmatic. To him the accords is the obvious next step to protect people. But I do hate how I missed out on talking about Tony's ptsd from the Avengers. I feel like I didn't go deep enough in regards to Tony's character.
@@GIGio_Official I agree with you completely, no one ever decides to be overly fearful and make demands they see as irrational. Of course Tony thinks it’s pragmatic, everyone in real life who has the world view his character portrays thinks it’s pragmatic and rational, or they’d not be proposing their ideas.
I think it is more or less him saying he doesn't want to stop being Iron Man. Iron Man is something that is a part of Tony. It gave him new meaning and he sees it as the best way to help people yes he wants to end the fight so they could go home, but he learned from age of ultron that he needs to find another way.
That scene where cap says if i see a situation pointing south has nothing to do with cap being not perfect it's showing the audience how close Steve and Tony are and how well tony knows steve that's why when tony says no you don't. It puts a smile on caps face a kinda of acknowledgment of how well tony knows him now he can't even lie to him
Huh that's a very good point. I do think it does also set up the audience for Steve being called out by Zemo, but I think your reasoning take the forefront. Good eye.
@@overheatedeskim054 Fair point. I wanted it to connect with the scene where Steve finally meets Zemo. I hope it doesn't take away from my over all point. But I really liked and prefer your take on that line. Still hope you enjoyed the video.
Agreed, however Steve isn’t trying to lie to Tony, that’s Steve lying to *_himself_* and Tony knowingly calling him out on it. They both did it previously at the end of AOU as well when Tony puts on about retiring as Iron Man, and Steve pretends he has let go of wanting his own life. Cut to the climax, and it’s essentially the same scenario around the Stark murders. Steve’s initial response is “ I didn’t know it was him” because Steve had purposely ignored his suspicions in order to avoid facing that truth (as later explained in his letter). But Tony, well aware that Steve loses all logic when dealing with Bucky, irately *_makes_* Steve confront it...and (once again) be honest with *_himself_* . Which actually does tie directly into the “flaw” that Zemo was referring to: Steve’s emotional blindspot for Bucky that supersedes his logic - a plot thread effecting Steve’s actions all the way back to the bombing in Lago and what Zemo exploited to divide the team.
This is what I wish Civil War was really about. Don't get me wrong, I liked Civil War, but it really wasn't about the philosophy of Tony vs Steve or the merits (or lack thereof) of the Sokovia Accords. That's what I wanted more of. This is the one scene we got and it shows us for a very brief moment the views of morality and utility these two characters see (or don't see) in the Sokovia Accords. And it doesn't leave with one side being definitively more correct; it just leaves it as it is. Civil War would have been better if there was more of this.
I feel like its worthy of note that Tony was trying get Cap on his side for so long because he feared losing his family and if Cap and Tony did split his family would be irreversibly damaged. But then when he and Cap fight towards the end of Civil War he says he WAS Cap's friend. This emphasizes a change in Tony's attitude towards his family. It signals to the audience that Tony is thinking that maybe it wasn't worth holding onto so much in the first place. That maybe fighting so hard for so long wasn't getting him anywhere and so he decides to let Cap go. But then he has the feeling at the compound that everyone has after a fight where you say something you didn't mean and are just now looking back and thinking "man what have i done?" because he never really wanted to split with Cap but he is definitely hurt and doesn't know if he can forgive Cap.
We both love this scene but for very different reasons. The way you see this scene and the characters is almost the complete opposite of the way I see it. I see Tony still wanting to control things (as he did with Ultron). Yes, he realizes his mistakes (Ultron, lying to Pepper about hanging up his suit, making umpteen affected suits) but he doesn't ever learn from them. He keeps making the same mistake again and again: believing he can "save" earth without taking people's free will and independence or his teammates' opinions into serious consideration. To him: the end justifies the means. It obviously stems from his childhood: he was an only child who was ignored by his father. He craved for attention and while he was a genius at a very early age, he has never fully matured. He acts like a child a lot of the times. Just look at his short-temper. How quick he is to point out the faults of others and how he constantly has to bring up to everyone all of his accomplishments. Steve, on the other hand, is centered and the most moral character of the MCU--he is inherently good and the serum he took only made him 10x more. He sees the slippery slope: give a government control over your own private organization and lives, and it's bound to go into poop. Civil War is my favorite film of the MCU and in my top 10 films of all time in general. Tony and Steve represent two methods of thinking and governing. And while I may strongly disagree with Tony, he brings up valid points and questions that I believe many of us should ask ourselves...even though, I personally would respond the same way Steve responds.
You just perfectly summed up why these movies are great. Every characters motivation can be interpreted differently from person to person, but because these characters feel so real we are invested in their stories and justify there actions in different ways. Very good comment, enjoyed to read your take on the scene.
@@GIGio_Official I honestly didn't have hopes for this franchise in the beginning. I didn't start taking them seriously until this film, and then I went back and saw all the previous films and saw the depth within the stories. I've been a Marvel girl since I was young and as a fan I was disappointed too many times by Fox and Sony that I didn't think this "MCU" would be any better. Thankfully, I was wrong. These films are freaking incredible.
I don't think Tony wanting to sign the accords was a selfless act or him taking responsibility. Tony may have thought so, but 3 things are in the way of that. 1) Earlier in the movie Steve calls out Tony by saying the accords don't have the Avengers take responsibility it just shifts the blame. 2) In this scene Tony admits he has thought the accords would split the difference between him and Pepper, meaning on some level his decision is selfish. 3) Tony springs the accords on the Avengers with Ross without really consulting or conidering any of their opinions. It's just him making another unilateral decision for the team like with him making Ultron. Edit: spelling
I can see that. I interpret it as him doing what needs to be done to protect the world which is something he has been trying to do since Avengers. He does have a person stake in it, but I believe he was doing what he thought was the best way to keep the Avengers together and be ready for any impending threat.
My absolute favorite scene is the fight between tony, bucky, and steve, not only is it fast paced but as someone pointed out, when steve started bresking the arc reactor on tonys suit, it could be taken as a metaphor for the fight breaking his heart, not too mention cap is LITERALLY breaking tonys "heart" by fighting him, its just, perfect in my opinion, because of all that and because they never broke character
The "theres a bit of green in the blue of your eyes" quote is possibly referencing that the experiment which turned banner into the hulk,stems from an attempt to recreate the super soldier.that same green that is in hulks eyes is within captain americas eyes but tamed and controlled because his experiment was a success.
Really appreciate the character study you put towards Steve and Tony’s conflicts and reasons towards what they feel is morally right in their own justifications of freedom and containment of any damage and harm put towards the those they swore to protect. Overall great video can’t wait to see more!!!
The one thing you kinda failed to mention was the Fear motivating Tony from that vision he got. Yes he wanted to keep the team together and he wanted to fix his relationship with Pepper. But it was fear driving him forward. Steven has seen what can be lost by those that act out of fear alone. How freedoms are lost through fear through the illusion of security. Tony is try to fix a long term problem "Thanos" with a short Term. A one size fits all fix to a unrealated problem his and team issues. Ignoring the some one the long term issue that can invited. It's that fear that puts them at odds. Steve sees the fear Tony is acting under he see while Tony's stated motivation sounds right it's motivated by the fear of "other's". Represented by Wanda and Tony's willingness to let her take the fall the teams mistakes many of which he had a hand in.
Great point. Yeah I completely forgot about Age of Ultron and his vision. I love Tony's development throughout the MCU. Great comment, cant believe I forgot about that.
Yo thanks man. Yeah love hove marvel goes about developing the a lot of there characters. Focusing on what makes them human rather than super. Dc seems to be taking the right steps in that direction so hopefully they can step up in 2020. Speaking of DC (Shameless Self Promo) I'm working on a huge video about trying to fix every episode in Titans season 1. So if u like this video maybe that one will interest u too, maybe. But that's besides the point. Thanks for the support, it is very much appreciated.
Wich is exactly what happens in the comics, interestingly enough. He sides with Tony in the beginning, but as his measures become increasingly more totalitarian he joins with Cap, risking his own life and those of MJ and Aunt May (who both support him, by the way)
Civil War is the movie that brought me into the MCU. I had seen a few of the films before, but they didn't really grab my attention like this movie did. The characterization and the fact that these superheroes felt like real people did a great job of cementing my interest in their stories.
You picked a fantastic scene bro. The dialogue is great the tension clings to the air. I feel like Civil War is a better Iron man movie than the third one.
I think personally, I prefer the earlier scene at Avengers compound. That argument may be more cerebral and philosophical, and carry less emotion than this one, but IT SETS UP the nature of their antipathy in this movie. "When I saw what my weapons were capable of in the wrong hands, I shut it all down." "Tony, you CHOSE to do that. If we sign this document, we surrender our right to choose." Tony, wracked with a MOUNTAIN of guilt, is acknowledging that the collateral damage caused by the Avengers' actions means they cannot continue to operate as they have been, without the goodwill of the populace they protect. The proffered path to that result, is government oversight. Steve, fresh off of his experiences of disillusionment in the system he used to defend, is keenly aware that the political priorities of such a government body WILL conflict with the Avengers' own priorities. The thing is, NEITHER of them is entirely WRONG. And neither of them is entirely RIGHT. The murkiness and nuance of their stances perfectly reflects the grey moral landscape in which they all find themselves. That such a set of ideas could be so clearly laid out in dialogue is just BRILLIANT writing. Of course, being who they are, Steve and Tony are UNCOMPROMISINGLY dedicated to their positions. And the conflict ensues.
What you just said I why I love Civil War. It is such a well written movie that doesn't go out to say one side is wrong. They leave it up to the audience. Great Comment and analysis
I like that Tony tries to come off as the pragmatic one, but throughout the whole film his decisions are motivated by his emotions and personal guilt. He's just reacting to everything, and making it up on the fly. Meanwhile, Cap is struggling to find ways to justify accepting the accords, but his moral compass will not let him compromise.
That is something I would love to do but I feel like it would be milking it. The one marvelous scene was a way to bring the community together before endgame, as a celebration of how far the mcu has come. So I feel like if I made another one it would be out of place and not carry the same weight.
Great video! The scene has always been a favorite of mine and I love that it was brought up again in Endgame. Tony was right in Civil War, they might not have lost in Infinity War had it gone different here
I'm Pretty sure that was Shield that gave the green light and now the shield has been exposed to be in control of hydra during the winter solider the government is trying something new that can potentially be more stable.
@@GIGio_Official yeah I thought about the fact that SHIELD was compromised by Hydra completely changes the context of Avengers 1. Considering what they tried to do with project insight in Winter Soldier it makes sense why they were so eager to Nuke New York.
Old fans will remember Stan and Jack deliberately built their 'heroes' with flaws. Tony's was he was an alcoholic which the movies 'reinterpreted', although there are some subtle moments. I urge you to go back and revisit the dialogue from the perspective of an addict; it gives a vastly different and more nuanced perspective on the character and his relationships I wish they kept.
Holy shit! I always forget that Tony was an alcoholic in the comics and you know what I see what you mean. There are small hint of of addiction for Tony in this scene. Well done. GOD I love this movie.
Love this essay. It's not common on UA-cam to see a video essay about Tony and Steve's debate in Civil War in which the video owner isn't interpreting Tony's intention as selfish/guilt ridden/shifting the blame.
Thank you. I always saw Tony as someone who always believes he is trying to do the right thing. I don't like to look at something and say that is pure selfish or whatever, where is the fun in that?
@@GIGio_Official Yes, because it's true. I was originally on Tony's side, but then I can see the reasons behind both's argument and the faults in both sides. I still think as the Captain Steve could do better. I was hesitated a while when this vid appeared in my UA-cam recommended because I'm sick of seeing another video where they say Steve was right all along and Tony was just wrong from the beginning. I'm glad I still click on it though :)
The moment where Cap destroyed the Avengers. If Cap would had listened to Tony, Bucky would have been vindicated and the Avengers would have still been a team
Yeah. I think the parallels that Cap saw in the accords and S.H.I.E.L.D's program in The Winter Solider effected his ability to look at this objectively. But Cap has always been a character to focus on the moral rather than they objective.
@@GIGio_Official that's true, but he's also been a character that refuses to make the tough call, someone who refuses to make the least bad choice (kill vision or lose 1/2 of the universe; lose a city or lose the planet)
@@GCMorrisjr Ya I think that is just Cap trying to make a moral decision instead of looking at the numbers, this is where Tony contrast Steve. They are two sides of the same hero coin.
GCM 1. The Accords is what split them up. Not any one individual honestly 2. Did you not watch the movie? The United Nations put out a “shoot to kill” order in Bucky(which is in fact illegal), completely ignoring Bucky’s human and constitutional rights simply because the United Nations needed a scapegoat. The _easy_ answer; “The Winter Soldier did it”. They weren’t even 100% sure he even committed the crime, just one blurry photo was all it took for them to find Bucky Barnes who was until that moment only known to be MIA during WW2. They didn’t -_actually_ want to investigate further or ask questions like Steve did. This is why Steve heads to Buck’s apartment, so Bucky could actually _live_ to see a fair trial. Which by the way, he doesn’t get in the end. When Bucky is finally in custody Steve asks Everett Ross about a lawyer, to which he then laughs in his face like someone’s constitutional and legal rights being denied is humorous smh. Had Cap listened to Tony, Bucky would’ve been killed by government officials.
SiaLater 🤨 in the video you're replying to, Tony offers to transfer Bucky to a psych center. Tony is the character that proved Buck's innocence. Cap's the one who talked Antman and Hawkeye into becoming fugitives. Had Steve listened to Tony, Tony would still have discovered Bucky was innocence, no one would have been jailed and the team wouldn't have been disassembled
I like how in the beginning, Tony is standing while Cap is sitting. Tony has the moral high ground, but by the end, Tony is sitting and Steve is standing, claiming the moral high ground.
Yes! My favorite scene! I wondered if anyone would choose this scene when I saw the "one marvelous scene" get started. You should have played the entire scene however. Every little word is worth is showing.
Banner's comparing the Avengers breakup to the Beatles is apt. Lennon and McCartney were terrific solo, but together they became something special. I think it's somewhat the same with Steve and Tony. Tony as Lennon and Steve as McCartney. They are flip sides of the same coin and need each other. Strong alone, but unbeatable together.
Honestly. With the whole Steve knowing about Tony’s parents and not telling him and then pushing him away and protecting Bucky instead of trying to defuse said situation and trying to understand tony left a bad taste in my mouth. Steve was so in the wrong and it even hurt me.
I think Steve holds Bucky in such high regards that he would do anything to protect him. Bucky is Steve's last connection to his past and Steve doesn't want to loss that no matter the cost. Also Bucky was brainwashed at the time so he couldn't fully blame bucky for their death.
Holy crap, I haven't seen a video this good in a while. I love that the pacing really emphasises your message. Subscribed; I really hope you do more videos!
My Marvelous scene is also from Civil War. It’s the scene with Zemo and Black Panther. And how Zemo listen’s to his family, one last time. While Black Panther saves him from suicide and knows vengeance has consumed everyone. With Zemo’s emotion in this scene is brilliant.
I want to start a Utoob channel new, just to joint the discussion. However, I have to do at least an Honerable Mention of Bucky's Escape. (Spoiler, He doesn't get away.) What I love about it is how it resets back to The Winter Soldier (Really could have used his theme in here somewhere.) The movie, the style of spy thriller Cap isn't even all too aware that he's In at this point, he's too worried about his friend, but you notice that Cap struggles to keep up? This isn't his world, it's The Winter Soldier's. He leads the chase, and as more Continets get involved (America, Russia, Africa, and then finally Europe) I'm going to arbitrarily say it ends when he retrieves his bag, King Tchala (And Falcon) get involved, and escalates a notch, but from the Apartment to the stairwell scene, to the adjacent roof, his Exit Strategy was working, and it's just human Spec-ops vs Captain America, AND The Winter Soldier. (I'm not going to kill anyone.) We hadn't seen this before, the 2 of them fighting side by side, and they've got a SWAT team showing up to give them fun stuff to work with, like the Door Knocker. Easily one of the underrated action scenes in the Franchise. (Captain America:) Probably by being overshadowed by scenes in this movie, and the previous movie (: TWS) but this is where the 2 came together into the same narrative. That's when we the audience caught up, and we're all on the same page...
that call out from Tony and immediate admission (with a side smirk) from Steve shows proof why Steve was never worthy to weild Mjolnir. The reason it slightly moved in Ultron is that Mjolnir showed Steve had potential to weild it but because Steve is a war monger (like Thor was in his first movie) proved he was not yet worthy until end game. End Game showed how Steve became worthy and it started with the scene where steve conducted the group counsiling on people coming together to talk a about post snap life and how Steve learned that he could be more of a hero without going to war
Damn very well put. Intentionally or not I love how the mcu us able to take these little things and really explore these ideas about character moments in several movies to create one coherent arc.
That same Odin explanation of worthy scene and Visions birth scene and his monologue proved what made vision worthy. Sadly it didn't have anything to do with being an elevator lol 😎
I think you’re wrong about Steve’s flaw. Steve says he wishes he could ignore when something is going south but as Tony rebuts, Steve does in fact not want to be blind to such things. He always wants to fight for what is right; to a fault. That’s his flaw. The same thing that he was chosen for to become Cap. I also don’t think this is what humanizes him. It shows how much better he is. His empathy, especially for Wanda, is what humanizes him.
I agree with that 100%. For seeing this movie as a teenager and starting to look at movies more critically, I really liked how with the winter solider and civil war we explored the flaws of Steve Rogers. That's why I put so much emphasis on how the film point them out.
#TeamIronman Tony just wanted the team to be together. He took the responsibility instead of running away. The accords may not be that good but Steve didn't really give any solution. He actually made it worse. Not every avenger can go rouge leaving their families behind. Scott and Clint suffered due to this. If they had signed at least they could have been together, managed the accords, PREPARED BETTER FOR THE UPCOMING THREAT instead of wasting their time fighting with their own people. As Nat said "Staying together is more important than how we stay together".
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That breakdown of Tony in the beginning of Endgame basically the best
I rewatched Endgame last night and I was moved to tears at that point. I felt even for Captain America (who I'm usually very harsh on) because he was teary-eyed as well. I know the guy takes on more guilt than he should, but... Well, I agree with Tony. They should have been ready, they knew it was coming. Oh, well, I guess the box office wants what the box office wants.
What would make this scene better is if Capt reminded Tony that the government council was ready to throw a missile into the island of Manhattan.
That's a very good point lol.
The people who launched that were the people in charge of SHIELD. Shield is gone.
Even i thought about that point while watching Civil War n maybe purposly they didnt use that line in the movie cuz theirs no more argument then. the gov was wrong and has no rights to control the avengers then.
Yes.
@@kendrajade6688 Yes, but the UN are still governed by people with agendas, and agendas change.
I'm real glad someone did this scene bc it's one of my favorite scenes in the MCU.
A few other things I noticed:
-Even though he is wearing it casually, Tony is wearing a suit, putting him on the side of the "establishment" and "the man"
-Steve calls what Tony is doing to Wanda "internment". He could have said gulag or concentration or whatever, but he chose a shameful thing HIS country did as a comparison.
-In the beginning of the scene Steve is sitting and Tony is standing, and once Wanda's situation comes up, Tony is the one sitting and Steve is now standing, show the shift in power in the argument.
God damn i didn't even notice that. I'm going to be looking at little things like that now to get a better analysis.
excellent post!
This is beautiful! A very nice analysis! It is so easy for some to dismiss Marvel movies as simple superhero movies, but scenes like these show the depth of the story, narrative and the characters.
Your second point is especially powerful. Shows how noble Steve is. He acknowledges the mistakes of the past rather than try to cover them up.
not really ... a gulag or a contentration camp is a very specific camp... Wanda is not in a camp. using the world gulag would be completely unwarranted and incorrect. Internment on the other hand (since he didn't say 'internment camp' is just a very generic term for 'incarceration'). Not saying that there isn't some merrit to the point, but there really was no conceivable way in which steve could have said either of those words without sounding ridiculous.
"And then and then and then, I never stopped. Because the truth is I don't want to stop."
Such a deep line. Adds SO MUCH to Tony's arc so effortlessly. Civil War is GREAT.
Agreed!
Note that steve got mad after tony called wanda as "weapon of mass destruction". There are possible reasons for this:
1) Steve was offended. In AoU, Steve sees the twin like himself, people who were willing to be experimented on for their country. That's why he never got super mad at the twins after they sided with Ultron (Wanda even was the one who showed Steve's weakness). He always tolerates Wanda for her actions. Also, he always feels like he was used by the goverment as a tool or weapon that can be controlled because of that fact. Even more so after Winter Soldier. And when Tony said that, he probably thought that Tony didn't see some of the Avengers as a person. That's why he didn't believe/ rejected Tony's word that Tony was only trying to keep the team together (which is of course absolutely genuine from Tony)
2) Steve felt responsible. He blamed himself after what happened in Lagos. He felt that Wanda got all the blame instead of him. And when Wanda was confined and was referred to as that term, he felt even more guilty.
Damn I really liked that first point. It gives Steve a connection to Wanda that makes him more understanding towards her. Great analysis.
I'm not so sure that Steve feels like he was used by the government though, he practically fought tooth and nail to get in.
He feels betrayed that it doesn't share his sense of honor and loyalty. It's knight realizing he's given his oath of fealty to an evil king.
"Weapon of mass destruction" also dehumanizes Wanda. Tony can take his armor off and be a person with human rights in the eyes of that law, but to the Sokovia Accords people who are perpetually powered, like Wanda, Steve, Bruce, and Thor, are just weapons, weapons of mass destruction, and when you're not using powerful weapons for violence or intimidation you securely lock them up somewhere.
Or maybe it’s because Wanda was a kid and Steve saw her humanity rather than just the concept that she’s a threat.
@@feartheghus I can see that. I also think Steve works with her much more and knows her as a person.
The action is just the added bonus, the eye candy. It's the relationships, the characters, how each of these people come from different walks of life to weave together something greater. Fantastic analysis and video
Thanks you sir. Much appreciated.
It’s honestly depressing that Downey and Evans never got an Oscar for this movie.
Yeah but the Oscars will never give superhero movies anything besides maybe costume or vfx. Yes they're are some outliers but it's very rare.
There are so many superhero movies/actors that deserve oscars but they will never recognize them. Great video, my dude! Keep it up!
@@VanOfSalt thanks bro will do. Already have plans for future videos.
RDJ was at his best in this movie
@@pin2peen972 Hell yeah.
There was a symbolism with the pens I thought was really interesting but haven't really seen anyone address was that the box the pens were stored in symbolised the Avengers working within the laws. But since the Accords were signed into place, Steve, having taken the pen out and then returned it but left it outside the box, not only foreshadowed the Avengers breaking apart, but also foreshadowed Steve being on the outside of the law and on the run.
I honestly haven't seen anyone address that. I've seen people address it as the Avengers breaking up, but not as a foreshadowing of Steve (and the other half of the Avengers) being outside the law after refusing to sign the Accords.
Yeah it is such a small detail, but very effective.
This shows the tragedy of a civil war better than any other movie I've seen. It's easy to label one side as totally in the right and the other totally in the wrong. But here, *both sides are right* . Tony is correct in saying that there needs to be better oversight and accountability, because at the end of the day, people's lives have been put in jeopardy, and people have died because of their actions, while the Avengers haven't been made to answer for any of it. But Steve shows from his experience in the Winter Soldier that you can't trust governments or multi-national organisations, and that the Sokovia Accords limit the Avengers far too much in that not every country has signed it, and they could be stopped from intervening in a crisis.
At the same time, both sides are wrong. Tony's approach, from what we see later on, has too much potential for authoritarian abuse from those in power. But Steve is no better, since he's advocating rogue vigilantism and intransigence over Bucky, who has killed a lot of people, brainwashed or no. That sounds a lot like obstruction of justice.
Damn great comment.
Captain America: Civil War, alternate title: "Everyone should have listened to Natasha!"
@@toatahu2003 Actual Facts
What I love about this is that while they are both right, infinity war doubles as a way to prove they were both wrong. Ultimately both sides thought that the other side would prevent and prohibit them from saving people, and yet at the start of infinity war we see that both sides are still saving lives and doing the right thing
@@michaelorr7608 yeah I really feel like civil war, infinity war, and endgame are their own little Trilogy.
This is actually one of the better videos made in this playlist. Well done mate
Hey thanks man glad to see I stood out from the res. Expect more videos coming soon with some being in a similar style to this one.
Agreed. Can't believe I couldn't think of this scene for the playlist with how well he described it.
@@natem1579 Cheers Man.thanks for the support.
I'll have to admit, I didn't watch your vid based off of the other chucklefucks you were grouped with in this Playlist. However this is very well done. So here's a like.
Also thank you for praising this very underrated MCU film. The character work in this movie is fantastic, but is overlooked by many for the more bombastic MCU films.
Personally I was always on the side of Cap. My brothers were on the side of tony. I suppose it shows the differences in how people see and perceive.
Yes! That's why I love this scene. There is no clear right or wrong side.
The problem is, while Tony may have a point in principle, that the Avengers need accountability, there is no contest as to who is right in practice. The accords are outrageous and authoritarian as they are in the movie. Even in the final scene, Tony is 100% in the wrong. Yes, Cap shouldn't have kept what happened to Tony's parents from him, but Tony knew Bucky was brainwashed and STILL attempted to murder him in cold blood... There is no defense for Tony's actions here. There is no justification for the accords, as they were in the movie.
@@toatahu2003 I think the ending is really just the straw that broke Tony's back. Yes he knew he was brainwashed but at the end of the day he killed his parents. While I don't agree with his actions I can understand him. In the span of a few days the avengers broke up, he found out that his fight to keep the world save might be putting the world in more danger, and his friend Steve (who he tried to help after finding out Bucky's innocence) has been lying to him about the truth of his parents death. Of course he would be seeing red and go for blood. With the accords I believe Tony say it as the means to an end. As an starting point that can be changed down the line if they play ball now. Still I understand why people get frustrated with Tony in this movie.
@@toatahu2003 The reason it is interesting is that neither character is 100% in the wrong.
@@GIGio_Official Oh, I understand his reasoning, yes. I get WHY he does what he does. The problem is, it destroys the equal footing the and Cap are suppose to have. Sure, Tony has some good points, but Cap is right and was right from the beginning. Tony was wrong about literally everything. You can't say, "Well neither is totally in the right here," when Tony is so CLEARLY on the wrong side of this fight. Cap made ONE mistake: not telling Tony about Bucky killing his parents, but even THAT is undercut by Tony immediately TRYING TO MURDER BUCKY the second Cap tells him... Clearly Cap was RIGHT not to tell him, because Tony couldn't handle that information... I get WHY, but Tony's side has ZERO merit by the end of the film. Even Rhody turns his back on the Accords by Infinity War. Whatever good points Tony may have had are irrelevant in the context of both his actions and the Accords themselves. It's like someone pushing for peace in 1941... Good message? Maybe. In this context? Hell no.
Steve calling Wanda's confinement to the Avengers Compound "internment" was no accident.
He lived during a time when US citizens were locked up in prison camps for simply being of Japanese descent.
I never thought of that. That is a fucking sick connection. Well done!!!
To say that marvel fans like to watch these "soulless" movies only for the action scenes would be wrong. We LOVE to watch them for the action scenes. But what we love even more is the epilogue between characters. That's the heart of the mcu, no space portals, no evil robots or mad titans, the characters and their relationships with each other are the core and the heart of these films and the amazing action scenes are padding to make an even greater exepriance.
I agree. The action brought us in but the characters is what kept us around.
And is an example of why the MCU works and the DCEU doesn’t. These movies have spectacle but that is just the backdrop to the human story. WB just gives us spectacle. The characters don’t learn anything or grow at all in the DCEU.
@@sladehildebrand7518 Couldn't agree more and as someone who grew up with DC it hurts to see their characters handled so poorly.
WB needs to follow their animation division. They get it. They had powerful emotional moments in Saturday morning cartoons. Story arcs that lasted whole seasons.
@@sladehildebrand7518 actual facts. Love DC animated movies.
How has no one done a video over the scene Odin takes Thor’s power away and gives the “You are unworthy” monologue?
I don't know actually. I'm going to be re-watching the Thor Movies for an upcoming video so I'll will definitely pay attention during that scene.
If i was a creator would totally be the scene i chose - Thor has always been my fav (even before Ragnarok made him cool again) and that scene is so well acted and the crux for all of his growth. Good call ;)
G.I. Gio That was always the most impactful scene from the first Marvel movies, and in general.
Griff Bloodax Thank you mate, you made some great points
What I love about this is that while they are both right, infinity war doubles as a way to prove they were both wrong. Ultimately both sides thought that the other side would prevent and prohibit them from saving people, and yet at the start of infinity war we see that both sides are still saving lives and doing the right thing
It really is great how the themes from these movies carry over to the next. It really makes it feel like these movies have consequences that stick.
Definitely one of the best scenes in the MCU. Your points were top notch!
Gracias.👍
Tbh i think tony makes some sense but trusting in a global government isnt a smart idea like NATO or the league of nations. Tony kinda wants the responsibility on someone else because he has too much guilt and fear already doesn't know how to handle it.
I don't think he doesn't want responsibility, but the fact that he sees that with him and Steve at the head of the avengers things haven't gotten any better so he doesn't think he can handle the responsibility anymore. But still very good points.
@@GIGio_Official part of me actually thinks a major driving point for Tony was his all consuming fear of thanos again. Pretty much everything he does is because Tony fears that there is something horrible looming in the future that they can't defeat. In Age of Ulton Steve promised they'd fight this together. So Tony trying to hold the Avengers together is not just him trying to hold his family together, but also the one last chance he has against 'whatever is coming'.
There are multiple scenes in the movie that show that Tony himself isn't happy with the accords. I think he genuinely believes that they are a step in the right directions, but out of my head I think there are at least three scenes when he says/hints to him not being completely happy with them either but seeing them as a 'minor inconvenience compared to a (very ominous) alternative'.
I think Tony finds himself in a situation where he put all his hopes in the Avengers, strengthening their position, but then the world (in a way) turns away from the Avengers, and he can't have that. So he's willing to compromise in order to keep the Avengers not just together as a team but also as a team that is supported by the rest of the world. If the Avengers were hated by the Governments, had to hide or run from the law that would (and did) weaken their position and thus weaken every chance they'd have against the ominous threat. On the other hand if the Avengers could stick as a team, maybe recruit new allies, have the armies, intel and people of all the governments backing them, they'd be all the stronger for it even if they'd lose some independence.
@@Ari33sa beautifully written, can't have said it better than myself.
@@Ari33sa You bring up some very good points. I didn't even think of the fear of Thanos he's had since the first Avengers movie. Well said.
@@GIGio_Official Tony absolutely wants to avoid responsibility. After his speech at MIT, the mother that confronts him at the elevator tells him that she considers *him* responsible for her son's death. Tony gave Whiplash tips on improving his arc tech. He created Ultron. His crud dismissal of Killian 20-some years prior put him on the path of revenge. Tony recognizes all of this and doesn't want that burden, and in doing so, he becomes just the biggest hypocrite.
At the start of IM2, he tells Congress that he is privatizing world peace, but now he's willing to cede the authority to deploy the Avengers (potentially even himself as Iron Man) to government. Does this mean he's changed his mind on the merits of government controlling people of mass destruction? Or is Tony still being self-centered? He *is* the Iron Man. He thinks he can privatize world peace. And when the weight of his hubris catches up to him, he seeks to avoid personal responsibility for his actions through the Sokovia Accords. Beyond that, he even considered not helping in Endgame because he found personal happiness with his family- to hell with literally half of the universe.
I might argue that Tony has made only one truly selfless act, which goes without saying.
The moment when steve says that he knew and tony fell back with a look on his face like he was betrayed on the deepest level. omg the acting in that scene was able to portray every single emotion so incredibly well, insane props to chris and robert for being so good at acting.
Everyone talked about how Civil War had no ramifications because Steve sending him the phone at the end showed they were "good," but I love how the subsequent movies continued their feud, even up to the first 10 minutes of Endgame.
It took Tony over 5 years to get over his falling out with Cap and its probably the sole reason why it took them so long to complete their mission in Endgame.
Thats not the reason but ok
@@twizzlerlemonpie3083 we all know the reason was the rat was occupied doing other things that sounded better than the time machine
I feel like this scene is a key to everything that happens between Tony and Cap throughout the movies.
-Cap only knew single playboy Howard... the same Howard that was hitting on Peggy which obviously made Cap jealous. (See: First Avenger)
-Cap meets Tony and he has the same personality as Howard, Tony becomes a surrogate Howard for Cap. (See: Avengers)
-Tony felt unloved by his father and his father was always talking about this Captain America guy which made Tony resent him before he even met him.(See: Avengers)
-Tony resents him even more once he meets him for being so "perfect"...everything he feels he isn't.(See: every movie after Tony meets Cap up to the end of Civil War.)
-Then Tony resents him because he's NOT "perfect" from Civil War thru Endgame before coming around after the 5 year time jump.
All of those threads seem to join up for this conversation (except the Endgame part, obviously)
MCU Captain America isn't perfect, but he's usually right. And unlike Tony, who is trying to do the right thing out of guilt for his past and fear the future, Steve is trying to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing. Is he stubbornly loyal to Bucky? Yes, but he's essentially proven right about that too - that the Bucky he knew is still there under the surface of the brainwashed assassin.
It doesn't change that at this point Tony doesn't know Bucky isn't still brainwashed. And yes Tony is doing a lot of this out a fear and guilt a lot of his decisions in this movie and prior movies is based on statistics. Vision said it himself since he became Iron Man super villain attacks have gone up. Yes a lot of his actions are a reaction to his guilt and fear but those insecurities come from facts and stats. Hansen him trying to be more pragmatic in this scene.
@@GIGio_Official Maybe. Steve may not have been 'a boy scout', but who turned out to be the worthy one? You see I believe Steve was always the one. He moved the hammer in Ultron while Tony made a joke about rape. He would not have been able to budge that hammer if he wasn't. I believe he didn't want to at that time. Even Thor said in Endgame, 'I knew it".
@@GIGio_Official Not just statistics. The problem is that the Avengers are being blamed for issues that weren't their fault. Only a single incident could actually be blamed on the Avengers and that incident was caused by Tony's carelessness...
But that was also something that wouldn't be affected by the accords, that was one of his personal projects going wrong.
In fact, all the people that are hurt are those the Avengers fail to save. So blaming them makes no sense. Do you blame firefighters for the deaths of people they were not able to save? Or maybe call all hospitals without a 100% chance of saving all lives murderers???
But when the Avengers fail, it's all of the sudden their fault... somehow...
how's that the fault of the poor guy who's car they crashed during the chase scene in the tunnel with bucky, steve and black panther? Or the guy who's motorcycle bucky stole? Not sure, but he surely didn't get away unhurt.
@@TheDeathmail how about wanda uses her power and blowing it up in the building?oh she didnt know how to control his power but the lives of innocent people died because of that also that was the time that they made the socovia accords tony wants to live a peaceful life but suddenly he cant sleep because of his fear
This is better than most on this topic. Good analysis . Keep up the good work.. looking fwd to more vids from you
Thanks man I appreciate ste the support and hope my upcoming videos please u and everyone else.
Took nearly 3 years to get over their disagreements. Sounds like a real friendship re-gathered. It happens. Never know.
Lol
@@GIGio_Official irk
7 years actually. Endgame happens in 2023.
I'm very glad you came at this in a neutral way and not "See this is why Steve/Tony is right." So many people make it out like one side actually has more point to it than the other, but there isn't. When I first watched it, Cap seemed like he was an idiot and Tony was 100% in the right, but then I remembered Shields helicarriers, America nuking itself, Hydra corrupting everyone, all the evil that came from the stuff people did trying to prevent evil. Both sides are equally right and wrong.
I always like to play devils advocate when it comes to these situation. There is always value to see both sides.
I don’t think tony is being pragmatic, he consistently tries to shield the world in poor ways because he is pathologically fearful of grand dangers in the universe. Steve was wise enough to know that this kind of centralized control is more dangerous to us than if the superheroes are free.
I feel like Tony thinks he is being pragmatic. To him the accords is the obvious next step to protect people. But I do hate how I missed out on talking about Tony's ptsd from the Avengers. I feel like I didn't go deep enough in regards to Tony's character.
@@GIGio_Official I agree with you completely, no one ever decides to be overly fearful and make demands they see as irrational. Of course Tony thinks it’s pragmatic, everyone in real life who has the world view his character portrays thinks it’s pragmatic and rational, or they’d not be proposing their ideas.
Finally, a video explaining the greatness of this scene
I got you bro. This scene was too good to pass up.
Wow. That was incredible. That last line gave me actual chills. Great job!
Damn thank you. Glad to see my video gave that kind of effect.
My One Marvelous Scene is when Bucky is triggered by Zemo.
ohhhhh. That is a very solid scene.
It was a huge philosophical leap from "Isn't that why we fight? So we can go home?" to "I don't want to stop".
I think it is more or less him saying he doesn't want to stop being Iron Man. Iron Man is something that is a part of Tony. It gave him new meaning and he sees it as the best way to help people yes he wants to end the fight so they could go home, but he learned from age of ultron that he needs to find another way.
This was the touchstone of the entire Avengers storyline. Realized perfectly..
Couldn't agree more.
“Some times I want to punch you in your perfect teeth” favorite line from the whole marble universe.
OOOOH that's a great line. I really like the the two lines, "We will lose" "Then we will do that together too"
@@GIGio_Official “guess what cap, we lose and you weren’t there”
Aw shit. Thats line is so good!!!
One of my favourite MCU scenes is Steve and Tony chopping wood at the farmhouse in Age Of Ultron
Steve and Tony have some of the best scenes in the MCU.
That scene where cap says if i see a situation pointing south has nothing to do with cap being not perfect it's showing the audience how close Steve and Tony are and how well tony knows steve that's why when tony says no you don't. It puts a smile on caps face a kinda of acknowledgment of how well tony knows him now he can't even lie to him
Huh that's a very good point. I do think it does also set up the audience for Steve being called out by Zemo, but I think your reasoning take the forefront. Good eye.
@@GIGio_Official Yeah i agree it might be a bit of both but as the audience don't we already know caps not perfect
@@overheatedeskim054 Fair point. I wanted it to connect with the scene where Steve finally meets Zemo. I hope it doesn't take away from my over all point. But I really liked and prefer your take on that line. Still hope you enjoyed the video.
Agreed, however Steve isn’t trying to lie to Tony, that’s Steve lying to *_himself_* and Tony knowingly calling him out on it. They both did it previously at the end of AOU as well when Tony puts on about retiring as Iron Man, and Steve pretends he has let go of wanting his own life.
Cut to the climax, and it’s essentially the same scenario around the Stark murders. Steve’s initial response is “ I didn’t know it was him” because Steve had purposely ignored his suspicions in order to avoid facing that truth (as later explained in his letter). But Tony, well aware that Steve loses all logic when dealing with Bucky, irately *_makes_* Steve confront it...and (once again) be honest with *_himself_* .
Which actually does tie directly into the “flaw” that Zemo was referring to: Steve’s emotional blindspot for Bucky that supersedes his logic - a plot thread effecting Steve’s actions all the way back to the bombing in Lago and what Zemo exploited to divide the team.
This is what I wish Civil War was really about.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Civil War, but it really wasn't about the philosophy of Tony vs Steve or the merits (or lack thereof) of the Sokovia Accords. That's what I wanted more of. This is the one scene we got and it shows us for a very brief moment the views of morality and utility these two characters see (or don't see) in the Sokovia Accords. And it doesn't leave with one side being definitively more correct; it just leaves it as it is. Civil War would have been better if there was more of this.
I like how you seem to see both sides as valuable, while I'm here thinking: Tony is wrong.
Nice video!
Lol Thanks man. I always like seeing both sides of an argument. I feel it help when coming to a conclusion
This is my personal favorite scene apart from the original "On your Left" scene. Well done!
Thanks you man. Means a lot.
So..what stopped Tony from putting Iron suits in every city? He signed the Sokovia Accords
I feel like its worthy of note that Tony was trying get Cap on his side for so long because he feared losing his family and if Cap and Tony did split his family would be irreversibly damaged. But then when he and Cap fight towards the end of Civil War he says he WAS Cap's friend. This emphasizes a change in Tony's attitude towards his family. It signals to the audience that Tony is thinking that maybe it wasn't worth holding onto so much in the first place. That maybe fighting so hard for so long wasn't getting him anywhere and so he decides to let Cap go. But then he has the feeling at the compound that everyone has after a fight where you say something you didn't mean and are just now looking back and thinking "man what have i done?" because he never really wanted to split with Cap but he is definitely hurt and doesn't know if he can forgive Cap.
This is an excellent point. GG
We both love this scene but for very different reasons. The way you see this scene and the characters is almost the complete opposite of the way I see it.
I see Tony still wanting to control things (as he did with Ultron). Yes, he realizes his mistakes (Ultron, lying to Pepper about hanging up his suit, making umpteen affected suits) but he doesn't ever learn from them. He keeps making the same mistake again and again: believing he can "save" earth without taking people's free will and independence or his teammates' opinions into serious consideration. To him: the end justifies the means. It obviously stems from his childhood: he was an only child who was ignored by his father. He craved for attention and while he was a genius at a very early age, he has never fully matured. He acts like a child a lot of the times. Just look at his short-temper. How quick he is to point out the faults of others and how he constantly has to bring up to everyone all of his accomplishments. Steve, on the other hand, is centered and the most moral character of the MCU--he is inherently good and the serum he took only made him 10x more. He sees the slippery slope: give a government control over your own private organization and lives, and it's bound to go into poop.
Civil War is my favorite film of the MCU and in my top 10 films of all time in general. Tony and Steve represent two methods of thinking and governing. And while I may strongly disagree with Tony, he brings up valid points and questions that I believe many of us should ask ourselves...even though, I personally would respond the same way Steve responds.
You just perfectly summed up why these movies are great. Every characters motivation can be interpreted differently from person to person, but because these characters feel so real we are invested in their stories and justify there actions in different ways. Very good comment, enjoyed to read your take on the scene.
@@GIGio_Official I honestly didn't have hopes for this franchise in the beginning. I didn't start taking them seriously until this film, and then I went back and saw all the previous films and saw the depth within the stories. I've been a Marvel girl since I was young and as a fan I was disappointed too many times by Fox and Sony that I didn't think this "MCU" would be any better. Thankfully, I was wrong. These films are freaking incredible.
@@AdriGoddess Couldn't agree more
This is exactly what I thought too but I’ve never been articulate enough to put it into words. Thank you
My One Marvelous Scene is from the same movie, but the T'Challa & Zemo moment. Great video 11/10 for the subtle detail and great explanation. Awesome.
Honestly I like T'challas arc In this movie more than in black panther.
Great video. Adding in the “this isn’t freedom this is free” was perfect.
Thank you. Yeah when I was writing the script I instantly thought of that line.
I love how this playlist has brought so many talented youtubers to my screen under one of my favorite things.
Nando v Movies and the others really started something great.
@@GIGio_Official you could say something marvelous...
@@Karas540 nice
I don't think Tony wanting to sign the accords was a selfless act or him taking responsibility. Tony may have thought so, but 3 things are in the way of that. 1) Earlier in the movie Steve calls out Tony by saying the accords don't have the Avengers take responsibility it just shifts the blame. 2) In this scene Tony admits he has thought the accords would split the difference between him and Pepper, meaning on some level his decision is selfish. 3) Tony springs the accords on the Avengers with Ross without really consulting or conidering any of their opinions. It's just him making another unilateral decision for the team like with him making Ultron.
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I can see that. I interpret it as him doing what needs to be done to protect the world which is something he has been trying to do since Avengers. He does have a person stake in it, but I believe he was doing what he thought was the best way to keep the Avengers together and be ready for any impending threat.
My absolute favorite scene is the fight between tony, bucky, and steve, not only is it fast paced but as someone pointed out, when steve started bresking the arc reactor on tonys suit, it could be taken as a metaphor for the fight breaking his heart, not too mention cap is LITERALLY breaking tonys "heart" by fighting him, its just, perfect in my opinion, because of all that and because they never broke character
Ohhhh. That is a very solid scene. I never really thought about the metaphor of that scene before. But that's some good shit.
The "theres a bit of green in the blue of your eyes" quote is possibly referencing that the experiment which turned banner into the hulk,stems from an attempt to recreate the super soldier.that same green that is in hulks eyes is within captain americas eyes but tamed and controlled because his experiment was a success.
OH, That is an interesting thought. Damn good shit.
wow. 117 thousand views and only 711 subs. he deserves more
Damn thanks bro. I appreciate the support. Sick right now but will upload a new video asap
Really appreciate the character study you put towards Steve and Tony’s conflicts and reasons towards what they feel is morally right in their own justifications of freedom and containment of any damage and harm put towards the those they swore to protect. Overall great video can’t wait to see more!!!
Thank bro. That means a lot and hope i can deliver on your expectations.
Fantastically and profoundly moving indeed.
Thank you very much, for sharing this.:D
Thanks man appreciate the support. 👍
This is one of my favourite scenes. I'm so happy you covered it. Really great analysis.
The one thing you kinda failed to mention was the Fear motivating Tony from that vision he got. Yes he wanted to keep the team together and he wanted to fix his relationship with Pepper. But it was fear driving him forward.
Steven has seen what can be lost by those that act out of fear alone. How freedoms are lost through fear through the illusion of security.
Tony is try to fix a long term problem "Thanos" with a short Term. A one size fits all fix to a unrealated problem his and team issues. Ignoring the some one the long term issue that can invited. It's that fear that puts them at odds. Steve sees the fear Tony is acting under he see while Tony's stated motivation sounds right it's motivated by the fear of "other's". Represented by Wanda and Tony's willingness to let her take the fall the teams mistakes many of which he had a hand in.
Great point. Yeah I completely forgot about Age of Ultron and his vision. I love Tony's development throughout the MCU. Great comment, cant believe I forgot about that.
God the metaphor with the pens is amazing
I KNOW, When I first realized that I was like, damn that is visual storytelling. God I love Civil War.
Great scene choice. And youre right, the character behind the mask or name is what makes all of the allure about Marvel
Yo thanks man. Yeah love hove marvel goes about developing the a lot of there characters. Focusing on what makes them human rather than super. Dc seems to be taking the right steps in that direction so hopefully they can step up in 2020. Speaking of DC (Shameless Self Promo) I'm working on a huge video about trying to fix every episode in Titans season 1. So if u like this video maybe that one will interest u too, maybe. But that's besides the point. Thanks for the support, it is very much appreciated.
This scene and the later recruitment of Peter Parker are what tie this movie together. Peter Parker should have been on Team Cap.
Yeah there are probably the best moments of Civil War. I think if Peter was left to his own devices he would have picked Cap's side.
Wich is exactly what happens in the comics, interestingly enough. He sides with Tony in the beginning, but as his measures become increasingly more totalitarian he joins with Cap, risking his own life and those of MJ and Aunt May (who both support him, by the way)
Amazing, you really understand what the character are doing and why they do it. 10/10
Thanks man glad to know I was on point
I love the Stan Lee clip at the end. Very nice touch.
Thanks man I feel like it had to be done
Civil War is the movie that brought me into the MCU. I had seen a few of the films before, but they didn't really grab my attention like this movie did. The characterization and the fact that these superheroes felt like real people did a great job of cementing my interest in their stories.
Thanks bro. This movie really is something else. The MCU is going to go down in history as something extraordinary.
You picked a fantastic scene bro. The dialogue is great the tension clings to the air. I feel like Civil War is a better Iron man movie than the third one.
Civil War is pretty much an Avengers movie disguised as a Captain America movie. Gives great development to many characters.
@@GIGio_Official very true
God damn dude, EVERY SCENE is a marvelous scene
I thinks that's the beauty of the MXU you can get so much out of just one scene
I think personally, I prefer the earlier scene at Avengers compound. That argument may be more cerebral and philosophical, and carry less emotion than this one, but IT SETS UP the nature of their antipathy in this movie.
"When I saw what my weapons were capable of in the wrong hands, I shut it all down."
"Tony, you CHOSE to do that. If we sign this document, we surrender our right to choose."
Tony, wracked with a MOUNTAIN of guilt, is acknowledging that the collateral damage caused by the Avengers' actions means they cannot continue to operate as they have been, without the goodwill of the populace they protect. The proffered path to that result, is government oversight.
Steve, fresh off of his experiences of disillusionment in the system he used to defend, is keenly aware that the political priorities of such a government body WILL conflict with the Avengers' own priorities.
The thing is, NEITHER of them is entirely WRONG. And neither of them is entirely RIGHT. The murkiness and nuance of their stances perfectly reflects the grey moral landscape in which they all find themselves. That such a set of ideas could be so clearly laid out in dialogue is just BRILLIANT writing.
Of course, being who they are, Steve and Tony are UNCOMPROMISINGLY dedicated to their positions. And the conflict ensues.
What you just said I why I love Civil War. It is such a well written movie that doesn't go out to say one side is wrong. They leave it up to the audience. Great Comment and analysis
I like that Tony tries to come off as the pragmatic one, but throughout the whole film his decisions are motivated by his emotions and personal guilt. He's just reacting to everything, and making it up on the fly. Meanwhile, Cap is struggling to find ways to justify accepting the accords, but his moral compass will not let him compromise.
Well said.
I wish you guys would continue this One Marvelous Scene through other movie franchises or maybe the Marvel streaming series.
That is something I would love to do but I feel like it would be milking it. The one marvelous scene was a way to bring the community together before endgame, as a celebration of how far the mcu has come. So I feel like if I made another one it would be out of place and not carry the same weight.
I´ve liked the actions scenes, but what I enjoy the most its watching characters having dialogue, great essay!
Thanks man. More videos on the way.
Great essay dude I never thought about this before.
Thanks bro, glad to see I explained my points well.
Great video! The scene has always been a favorite of mine and I love that it was brought up again in Endgame. Tony was right in Civil War, they might not have lost in Infinity War had it gone different here
Thanks bro. Yeah this movie definitely a top tier MCU movie.
Exactly, its the characters, their progression, relationships and interaction with each other that makes the MCU so good.
Damn straight!
Weren’t the same people that wanted the Sokovia Accords also greenlit the idea of dropping a nuke during the Battle of NY?
I'm Pretty sure that was Shield that gave the green light and now the shield has been exposed to be in control of hydra during the winter solider the government is trying something new that can potentially be more stable.
@@GIGio_Official ah you're right! Shield was already compromised at this point. Thanks for clearing that up.
@@kcfavis I got you my guy.
@@GIGio_Official yeah I thought about the fact that SHIELD was compromised by Hydra completely changes the context of Avengers 1. Considering what they tried to do with project insight in Winter Soldier it makes sense why they were so eager to Nuke New York.
This scene reminds me of the Pacino/De Niro scene in Heat.
Old fans will remember Stan and Jack deliberately built their 'heroes' with flaws. Tony's was he was an alcoholic which the movies 'reinterpreted', although there are some subtle moments. I urge you to go back and revisit the dialogue from the perspective of an addict; it gives a vastly different and more nuanced perspective on the character and his relationships I wish they kept.
Holy shit! I always forget that Tony was an alcoholic in the comics and you know what I see what you mean. There are small hint of of addiction for Tony in this scene. Well done. GOD I love this movie.
Love this essay. It's not common on UA-cam to see a video essay about Tony and Steve's debate in Civil War in which the video owner isn't interpreting Tony's intention as selfish/guilt ridden/shifting the blame.
Thank you. I always saw Tony as someone who always believes he is trying to do the right thing. I don't like to look at something and say that is pure selfish or whatever, where is the fun in that?
@@GIGio_Official Yes, because it's true. I was originally on Tony's side, but then I can see the reasons behind both's argument and the faults in both sides. I still think as the Captain Steve could do better. I was hesitated a while when this vid appeared in my UA-cam recommended because I'm sick of seeing another video where they say Steve was right all along and Tony was just wrong from the beginning. I'm glad I still click on it though :)
@@ngocquenguyen1561 actually Tony was right.
336th subscriber, 93rd comment, 22,835th viewer. I love this video and this playlist, good job man!
Hey thanks man. That means a lot.
@@GIGio_Official No problem, I hope you get more popular soon, you deserve it.
The moment where Cap destroyed the Avengers. If Cap would had listened to Tony, Bucky would have been vindicated and the Avengers would have still been a team
Yeah. I think the parallels that Cap saw in the accords and S.H.I.E.L.D's program in The Winter Solider effected his ability to look at this objectively. But Cap has always been a character to focus on the moral rather than they objective.
@@GIGio_Official that's true, but he's also been a character that refuses to make the tough call, someone who refuses to make the least bad choice (kill vision or lose 1/2 of the universe; lose a city or lose the planet)
@@GCMorrisjr Ya I think that is just Cap trying to make a moral decision instead of looking at the numbers, this is where Tony contrast Steve. They are two sides of the same hero coin.
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1. The Accords is what split them up. Not any one individual honestly
2. Did you not watch the movie? The United Nations put out a “shoot to kill” order in Bucky(which is in fact illegal), completely ignoring Bucky’s human and constitutional rights simply because the United Nations needed a scapegoat. The _easy_ answer; “The Winter Soldier did it”. They weren’t even 100% sure he even committed the crime, just one blurry photo was all it took for them to find Bucky Barnes who was until that moment only known to be MIA during WW2. They didn’t -_actually_ want to investigate further or ask questions like Steve did. This is why Steve heads to Buck’s apartment, so Bucky could actually _live_ to see a fair trial. Which by the way, he doesn’t get in the end. When Bucky is finally in custody Steve asks Everett Ross about a lawyer, to which he then laughs in his face like someone’s constitutional and legal rights being denied is humorous smh.
Had Cap listened to Tony, Bucky would’ve been killed by government officials.
SiaLater 🤨 in the video you're replying to, Tony offers to transfer Bucky to a psych center. Tony is the character that proved Buck's innocence. Cap's the one who talked Antman and Hawkeye into becoming fugitives.
Had Steve listened to Tony, Tony would still have discovered Bucky was innocence, no one would have been jailed and the team wouldn't have been disassembled
This analysis is solid. Might be my favorite yet. Good job. You need to make more content, I'm thirsty.
Thank you bro. I shall deliver more content immediately
Calling it now. This right here is the BEST One Marvelous Scene video.
WOW. Thanks man that means a lot. More videos on the way.
I like how in the beginning, Tony is standing while Cap is sitting. Tony has the moral high ground, but by the end, Tony is sitting and Steve is standing, claiming the moral high ground.
OOH, SHIT. Good my my guy. I did't notice that.
It's ironic how the Wakandan prison probably would've treated Bucky better than the American psych facility, but ofc they didn't know that at the time
Yeah heine sights 20/20
Fav scene is cap staring down Thanos' army by himself
Hell yeah.
"On your left."
Toa Tahu as soon as I heard that there was nothing but constant cheering
Brilliant analysis. This is one of the scenes that stood out to me in CW as well.
Yes! My favorite scene! I wondered if anyone would choose this scene when I saw the "one marvelous scene" get started. You should have played the entire scene however. Every little word is worth is showing.
Noted for future references. Was trying to avoid a copyright claim.
Banner's comparing the Avengers breakup to the Beatles is apt. Lennon and McCartney were terrific solo, but together they became something special. I think it's somewhat the same with Steve and Tony. Tony as Lennon and Steve as McCartney. They are flip sides of the same coin and need each other. Strong alone, but unbeatable together.
Beautiful comment 10/10.
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What can I say I love the interactions people are having with the video.
Honestly. With the whole Steve knowing about Tony’s parents and not telling him and then pushing him away and protecting Bucky instead of trying to defuse said situation and trying to understand tony left a bad taste in my mouth. Steve was so in the wrong and it even hurt me.
I think Steve holds Bucky in such high regards that he would do anything to protect him. Bucky is Steve's last connection to his past and Steve doesn't want to loss that no matter the cost. Also Bucky was brainwashed at the time so he couldn't fully blame bucky for their death.
Holy crap, I haven't seen a video this good in a while. I love that the pacing really emphasises your message. Subscribed; I really hope you do more videos!
EYYYY. That's sick man thanks. More videos on the way.
My Marvelous scene is also from Civil War. It’s the scene with Zemo and Black Panther. And how Zemo listen’s to his family, one last time. While Black Panther saves him from suicide and knows vengeance has consumed everyone. With Zemo’s emotion in this scene is brilliant.
Yeah I feel like it was a better arc for black panther than in his own movie.
G.I. Gio YEP! Also I really love Zemo, such an awesome villain
@@sharkdude7 Very underrated villain.
You're going places pal.
DAMN. Thanks bro appreciate it man.
I want to start a Utoob channel new, just to joint the discussion. However, I have to do at least an Honerable Mention of Bucky's Escape. (Spoiler, He doesn't get away.) What I love about it is how it resets back to The Winter Soldier (Really could have used his theme in here somewhere.) The movie, the style of spy thriller Cap isn't even all too aware that he's In at this point, he's too worried about his friend, but you notice that Cap struggles to keep up? This isn't his world, it's The Winter Soldier's. He leads the chase, and as more Continets get involved (America, Russia, Africa, and then finally Europe) I'm going to arbitrarily say it ends when he retrieves his bag, King Tchala (And Falcon) get involved, and escalates a notch, but from the Apartment to the stairwell scene, to the adjacent roof, his Exit Strategy was working, and it's just human Spec-ops vs Captain America, AND The Winter Soldier. (I'm not going to kill anyone.) We hadn't seen this before, the 2 of them fighting side by side, and they've got a SWAT team showing up to give them fun stuff to work with, like the Door Knocker. Easily one of the underrated action scenes in the Franchise. (Captain America:) Probably by being overshadowed by scenes in this movie, and the previous movie (: TWS) but this is where the 2 came together into the same narrative. That's when we the audience caught up, and we're all on the same page...
that call out from Tony and immediate admission (with a side smirk) from Steve shows proof why Steve was never worthy to weild Mjolnir. The reason it slightly moved in Ultron is that Mjolnir showed Steve had potential to weild it but because Steve is a war monger (like Thor was in his first movie) proved he was not yet worthy until end game. End Game showed how Steve became worthy and it started with the scene where steve conducted the group counsiling on people coming together to talk a about post snap life and how Steve learned that he could be more of a hero without going to war
Damn very well put. Intentionally or not I love how the mcu us able to take these little things and really explore these ideas about character moments in several movies to create one coherent arc.
That same Odin explanation of worthy scene and Visions birth scene and his monologue proved what made vision worthy. Sadly it didn't have anything to do with being an elevator lol 😎
@@bioganja fuck stairs
@@GIGio_Official hahaha
I think you’re wrong about Steve’s flaw. Steve says he wishes he could ignore when something is going south but as Tony rebuts, Steve does in fact not want to be blind to such things. He always wants to fight for what is right; to a fault. That’s his flaw. The same thing that he was chosen for to become Cap. I also don’t think this is what humanizes him. It shows how much better he is. His empathy, especially for Wanda, is what humanizes him.
I agree with that 100%. For seeing this movie as a teenager and starting to look at movies more critically, I really liked how with the winter solider and civil war we explored the flaws of Steve Rogers. That's why I put so much emphasis on how the film point them out.
Great vid and breakdown, toss in some background music, but outstanding analysis over one of my favorite scenes in the MCU. Two thumbs up 👍🏽 👍🏽
Background Music, gotcha. thanks for the support and advice.
This was really well done. Good job fam.
Thanks bro, expect more videos like this in the future.
Beautiful videooooo
Thanks man, more are on the way.
I watched this video after having watched Endgame like 10 times.
Marvelous...
WOW. Thanks man. The support is amazing.
#TeamIronman Tony just wanted the team to be together. He took the responsibility instead of running away. The accords may not be that good but Steve didn't really give any solution. He actually made it worse. Not every avenger can go rouge leaving their families behind. Scott and Clint suffered due to this.
If they had signed at least they could have been together, managed the accords, PREPARED BETTER FOR THE UPCOMING THREAT instead of wasting their time fighting with their own people.
As Nat said "Staying together is more important than how we stay together".
Well put.
Monica Nandakumar but at what cost?
@@kungfuenthusiasm6592 A great movie with a depressing break up.
This is my favorite scene in my favorite movie in the MCU
Yeah, the movie is so good.
Really good video!
Hey thanks man. That means a lot. Your support is appreciated.
@@GIGio_Official So is your content.
@@batmansdragon8820 I shall work hard to deliver more. LOL
Excellent scene breakdown and essay. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching.
@@GIGio_Official I'll definitely tune in for the next one too.
You did a marvelous job!
Thanks Man
This is by far my favorite scene in all of the MCU
Couldn't agree more.
This is amazing for being your first video on youtube. You earned yourself a new sub and a new fan. Cant wait to see what you do next man.
Thanks man. I hope you won't disappoint you with my new content.
Wait, wouldn't Cap agreeing to what Tony said about him always doing the right thing MAKE him perfect? How does that imply imperfection?
Cap tries to appeal to Tonys desire to protect kids when he mentions Wandas internment