Fmr. Israeli PM: Hamas & Israel’s goals ‘fundamentally’ different even in latest cease-fire proposal
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Former Prime Minister of Israel Naftali Bennett joins Meet the Press NOW to discuss the latest cease-fire proposal as outlined by President Biden. Prime Minister Netanyahu is facing pressure from hostage families and member of his own coalition regarding the latest proposal.
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#IsraelHamasWar #Ceasefire #NaftaliBennett
White House came out saying that this is Israel’s proposal…. What nonsense this guy is talking about?
WHAT NONSENSE ARE YOU THEN TALKING ABOUT?
The nonsense is that the White House proposal is NOT the same thing that the Israelis proposed.
Biden is a liar
And Israel responded that it isn't. He isn't involved so he wouldn't know for sure, and looking at this proposal it does not make a lot of sense to think this is an Israeli proposal. Plus, Hamas already said they don't agree to it and even quoted passages that were not mentioned at all by Biden.
What nonesense is Biden talking about. What is the US thinking??
Isnt this the same channel that were criticizing tucker carlson for a soft ball interview of Putin.. this interview was rediculous and shes adlibing and agreeing with him 😂
Not a single push back
Having to manage the messaging between Russia and Israel has made America has a schizophrenic relationship with itself. Applauding and condemning the same acts equally. The tangled web of attempted deception.
@@MrColdwilliam Russia entered an offensive war with ukraine with the goal to take it over. Israel entered a reactionary war after the largest and most barbaric terrorist attack in its history. Has their response been heavy handed yes, but they don't have many options to remove hamas. nearly half of deaths in gaza are hamas or similar groups.
great point. the hypocrisy knows NO bounds.
@@nero_tigger if you believe that, you're toast.
1. Haifa Massacre 1937
2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937
3. Haifa Massacre 1938.
4. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
5. Haifa Massacre 1939
6. Haifa Massacre 1947
7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947
8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947
10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947
11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
12. Tantura Massacre 1948
13. Jaffa Massacre 1948
14. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
15. Jerusalem Massacre 1967
16. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
17. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990
18. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
19. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002
20. Gaza Massacre 2008-09
21. Gaza Massacre 2012
22. Gaza Massacre 2014
23. Gaza Massacre 2018-19
24. Gaza Massacre 2021
25. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing
DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th
PLEASE REPOST
💯
The quran is like a real life time machine. It transforms all around it into the stone ages
@@PandaAssociationList of massacres done by Arabs against Jews before the (re)establishment of Israel:
Looting of Safed (1834)
Petah Tikva massacre (1886)
Jaffa massacre 1908
Nebi Musa pogrom (1920)
Jaffa massacre (1921)
Tel-Hai massacre (1920)
Bnei Yehuda massacre (1921)
Metula massacare (1921)
Dgania massacare (1920-21)
Menahemia massacare (1921)
Ayelet Ha'Shachar massacare (1929)
Jerusalem massacare (1929)
Hebron massacare (1929)
Jaffa massacare (1929)
Gaza massacare (1929)
Nablus massacare (1929)
Ramla massacare (1921)
Jenin massacare (1929)
Acre massacare (1929)
Tel Aviv massacare (1929)
Har Tuv massacare (1929)
Be'er Tuvia massacare (1929)
Beit She'an massacare (1929)
Gedara massacare (1929)
Moza massacare (1929)
Mishmar Ha'emek massacare (1929)
Chulda massacare (1929)
Ein Zeitim massacare (1929)
Jerusalem massacare (1936)
Anabta shooting (1936)
Bloody Jaffa massacare (1936)
Tiberias pogrom (1938)
Kfar Ha'shiloach massacare (1936-39)
Pkh'in massacare (1936-39)
Ruchama massacre (1936-39)
Mishmat Ha'karmel massacare (1936-39)
Will I continue? 🤔
I feel like every one is saying this now
What about all the attacks on Israel lol can’t tell only one side of the story 😂
This was not meet the press this was meet the yes man
the yes man who makes a pro hamas nervous. 😂
Meet the JAWS and JAWS Kissinger who bombed Kambodgia 🤥✝️🔫💣
@@Jojo-bm4tbListen to the clip, not pro Hamas.
Thank you to Mr. Bennet
Netanyahu, did you hear Bennett's recommendation?!
A WIN
He is 100% right
Typo
You meant wrong
@@MAchannel2024nope, he is right
@@sammys7830h is wrong and Israel is a war criminal pariah state.
Says the hasbara bot
It is sadly Hilarious to hear the view of those who are with blinded hearts and refuse to see the reality of what they themselves have created 😢
no one deserves constant terrorism for decades against civilians, nothing justifies it. Hamas doesn't care about its people and they have never wanted 2 states. for 100 years palestinian leaders have exploited and robbed their people of a future through perpetual warfare and denied peace and land splits nearly 10 times. Their path of terrorism instead of ensuring a future for their people has put the palestinians in the position they are in - they created this situation. Decades of terrorism pushed israel more to the right. And think about how much money Hamas has received since its been in complete control of gaza (in a violent takeover that killed 1000 palestinians) for nearly 20 years (billions and billions and billions). Instead of investing it in their people and infrastructure and economy, they imported and built weapons, built tunnels, hijacked aid for their cause, focused energy in the wrong places, spent more on military salaries and on and on.
you are so unbelievably incompetent it's not even possible to see whether you are a hamas supporter or an IDF supporter
yeah Hamas and Mohamud are blind hearted. It takes one to know one
A devil can never be afriend.BIDEN IS COMMITED to save HAMAS .THANK YOU NAFYALI AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU ❤❤
the fact that they consider every military age male as Hamas lol
Not all military age males are Hamas, but according to Hamas every military age person that died is an innocent child.
Which is obviously ridiculous, there are many young terrorists, that's a fact.
@@Rauzul not true, child is
hamas considers kids up to 19 and its long documented that teenagers from 14 are in their army. gaza health ministry is run by hamas, they don't distinguish in deaths between cause or militant/civilian.
@@nero_tiggerexcept that throughout history Israel always confirmed the Hamas figures as largely accurate
Meet the JAWS
At 4:03, he's saying '15,000 people,' innocent women and children eliminated, like it's a good number. What's going on here? What is this? Am I the only one who sees that?
Not only that for his ratio to be true, every adult male killed was Hamas. No military has aim that good! Just try to make it believable, for God's sake!
@@MichaelDeHaven calling you Gods? are you growing in favor of God and man Islam? Israel?
@@richardtheworker Man what??🤣🤣🤣
The IDF has eliminated at least 16,000 Hamas, Islamic Jihad and al-Qassam Brigades terrorists since October 7.
Are you SAD? 🫠
They all hamas
This is not journalism. That lady did not pushback on anything he said. She took everything he said as facts. Horrible
What did he say that wasn’t fact?
4:49 she did push back to her defense
She wants a promotion!
Did you want pushback with lies?
Why push back on the truth?
a criminal liar
*NBC is asking a zionazi settler's view about what another fellow zionazi settler considers.*
what?
Bennett isn't a settler. He lives in Raanana.
Please get yr facts straight.. he is NOT a settler..
@@nicoleenviljoen8810 *OK, so we're left with him being a zionazi. Still makes a point....*
@@lforlight *OK, so we're left with him being a zionazi. Still makes a point....*
Israel put out this proposal and now backing out. what a joke. what a freaking joke
Uncle Joe's, not theirs
Exactly!
But Israel didn't expect Biden to propose the ridiculous. Untenable.
It was Biden's proposal. Don't believe anything. They're all liars. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are being annihilated!
No we are not, you fell nicely to Hamas trap.
He's right you know. The questions NBC asked were pretty awful and extremely expected.
This guy is crazy. Selling BS. Murderers
I differ from being forced to pay for ridiculous nonsense that has no purpose in this country! 🤣
Yes, so glad my government is not funding this S hit.
Bro they are out of their minds
These guys are obsessed with Iran.
That tells me Iran has won. Bennet is mentioning Iran, when this is about Hamas.
The Persians rattled Israel unbelievably hard. Amazing, really.
Israel would like to eventually have all of the Middle East, not just Palestine. So they scream about being victims of a holocaust, when they are the ones perpetuating one, and demonize the people living on the land they want to eventually occupy and annex. The Middle East knows what they are up to. And doesn't trust us because we back the atrocities Israel is committing.
what planet are you on ? its ALL Iran
It's iran 💯%
Iran is coming for the US next.
@@MettaForest Iran isn't even lifting a finger. Hamas is NOT Iran. Iran is way more powerful and likely had nothing to do with Oct 7th. But they're rattling Israel!
This gentleman is the embodiment of tenderness and patience; his utterances are a symphony of affection, casting a spell of serenity and joy that caresses the soul with each word spoken ❤
No one was pressured in the Iraq or Afghanistan war to end them quickly because of the civilian casualties, so why should Israel just give Hamas a pass?
Hind Rajab was a six-year-old Gazan girl who died in horrific circumstances - trapped for days in a car with the bodies of her family members killed by Israeli fire. Don't Forget Israel's crimes against humanity.
IDF soldiers were not operating in the area. The car was found in a zone that had been avacuated and was an active war zone. What was the car doing there? Why were no IDF soldiers active there at the time? IDF soldiers don't intentionally shoot kids. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad do. There's your answer.
I stand with you PM and Israel,I'm American and I totally disagree with Biden adm. They fail at everything here in the states . I'm proud American ,but we have cancer in our leadership . I'm sorry from my heart,like me you have the right to live . ❤Viva Israel ,my prayers for you the Jews .🙏❤️
Incapable journalist. She asks this joker question so he can push their propaganda. She could have challenged him with the bullsh!t. She kept listening to his lies and didn’t challenge. RIP journalism
Yikes...lies on top of lies on top of lies sprinkle with bullcrap. Wat a shameful species
Yes
Everything he said is 100% right
@@kjkh3104 u not right in the head, then.
I made it 2 minutes in before the nausea overwhelmed me.
This ceasefire is really not a solution. Is this
NB: "Israel has now offered, Israel has offered a comprehensive new proposal." - Bibiden. Why do they even need to agree to their very own proposal? Did Djeno Djoe fib or is he being played yet again?
Can't argue with facts.. she tried to find the slightest bits that she thought maybe she could argue against and it didn't work! Israel is too in the right.
Fun Fact: King Herod the great who ruled Judea from 37-4 BCE was an Arab.
Source: encyclopedia britannica
yup. He was a convert to Judaism. And the Egyptian dynasties was full of Hebrew/Jewish advisors and sub rulers. Jews were taken as slaves to Babylon and the jewish community in Iraq is one of the oldest. Jewish communties in Kurdistan were some of the only ones to continues speaking aramaic. So the argument about one people being more indigenous over another is ridiculous.
The UN with cooperation of several European countries. decided to cooperate with the global Islamic terrorist organizations and deprive Israel of the ability to defend its existence.
The destruction of the Jewish state has become the goal of the West, which shows no opposition to this move by the UN💔
BENNET THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND STANDING WITH NETANYAHU INSTEAD OF UNDERMINING HIM!
What kind of interview is this... He says Israel needs to go and get hamaz all out... But i didn't understand what we're they doing from last eight months.. Initially Israel said we will finish this war in a week time now this gentlemen
source that someone said only a week?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 frogs in the well still thinking they are super power😂😂😂😂😂😂
The diaper force have taken control of Rafah and the Umah cannot do anything about it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂that's sad and funny.
Your superpower will continue to crash on choppers made by other countries. Superpower power in making fake rockets and drones.
@@otisbaffo9264
its mostly funny . muslims live in a fantasy world in which they have any political / military ability to hurt israel.
Umah - ShmuMah
What would these Journalists do if they had faced the same problem what party goers faced
Didn’t Israel put out this proposal 😅😅😅😅😅
israLIe is rejecting the israLIEs proposal and calling it antisemitic
You know how bad a country has to be to claim to be fighting a war on terror and lose every single PR angle they attempt? This is crazy.
I think the US put out the deal, claimed it was created by Israel, but that's a lie. It was just the US trying to force Israel's hand.
No. It was Biden bs
@@MrColdwilliam Not really. It's actually pretty easy to lose the PR angle when you're fighting non-uniformed combatants, hiding among civilians. Why do you think the US keeps losing wars?
So she said ohhhh now your stepping in my boat when he said what would you do.
Who's peace proposal is this? I thought Israel submitted this deal. Ask him about the illegal settlements and the plots for sale in Gaza.
I wish but you won’t get that from this reporter
Fighting the occupation is allowed by international law free Humanity free Palestine 🇵🇸
Israel left Gaza in 2005;
Instead of building a productive society; Hamas spent 20’years building terror tunnels and a terrorist infrastructure.
Get your facts straight
yes. anti israel is among us. it's sad indeed.
So Israel is allowed to fight the Arabs? Gotcha.
@@Jojo-bm4tbYes, there are people who supported Israel, until they turned into Na zis
@@hanilov now, you're talkin' tomatoes.
In a boxing match there’s a referee who can step in and stop the fight when he feels it’s getting out of hand
Yep, and they are also punching unarmed civilians, men, women and children with deadly strikes. Not just Kaaamaass fighters.
Is lame crybabies are wailing and begging for the help.
Bennet is 100% correct !! At least there is someone who speaks truth!!!
This priminister is straight to the point...
With hyperbolic projection.
He's a liar. Defund Israel.
Iran was right.
Yep straight to the lying point as the rest of these clowns do. Nobody believes these clowns anymore lol
Remember when they said they were gonna starve Hamas… lol
Of insanity
BRING THEM HOME NOW Thank you 🌹
Sorry to tell you but the IDF killed them all,there plan wasn’t to bring them home it’s about land grab/open your eyes
😂JAWS, answer us why your JAWS Kissinger bombed Kambodgia 🤥
Return them home those Cambodians
Disgusting
yup, you
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If those once Starved,Ethnic Cleansed
▪︎Starve,Ethnic Cleanse others
▪︎Following footsteps of their Oppressors,no?
Thank you to Mr. Bennett
What exactly?!
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Sorry, it’s your friends at Hamas doing all the starving, as well as calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing. Better for you not to care than to be so wrong.
No way Hamas will live after this.
ISRAEL, Stay strong ,do what you have to do to defeat Hamas and Save our Hostages ,pls do not let other Countries including Ours ,to tell you How To Win a War!! Israel cannot afford 20 year Wars like we had with IRAQ who wasn't on our border ,we have never been in that situation and hopefully never will !!!
How many people you killed you AS
[4:50] I wonder why the US has not pressured the Egyptians to provide Gazans with the option to relocate to Egypt, for to get out of the war ??
If gazans leave their homes then they won't come back
Why not pressure Israel into not killing and targeting civilians instead of hamas?
Why don't the settlers relocate.
@@dodiewallace41 That's what they're doing already
Egypt is doing a lot of other shameful thing other than closing their border to civilian and also stopping the aid to Gaza since last Thursday. all of these will eventually come on to surface one by one after with the more advancement into Rafah.
@@dodiewallace41, so the big plan is to sacrifice them all to get the land back? which land and why the land Mufti Husseini sold back in 1930 you think still belong them or you????
America should condition aid for border security to prevent again and again.... or get another prime minister. Can see Tlaib dropped the ball on annihilation narrative standing.
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎Calling for release of one group of Hostages
▪︎Not Calling for release of another group of Hostages
▪︎Equality or Supremacist?
He speaks the truth on a network full of lies. The Comments tell it all
This guy is a liar. I can count minimum 10 lies in this one video alone
You don't know nothing about Palestine.so professor tell me the 10 lies you genius
Why do you shell the places the hostages are? Do you clearly not care about the hostages?
A black journalist or commentator or whatever she is that doesn't pressure at all a racist politician. Whatever!
Mentioning rather.
So as him who made a deal with Hamas?.....the big, big, brother!! who is the enemy now?
He’s still using the 1400 figure which Israel revised to less than 1200
Does it really make a difference? And it’s actually a lot more than 1400 when you add the soldiers and first responders killed that day.
@@AmChazak18 that number includes soldiers. civilians are about 500.
@@AmChazak18that’s not true. It was approx 400 soldiers and 800 civilians. Not to mention that the Apache helicopters from the Air Force “shot everything in sight in the area” according to a pilot.
@@AmChazak18 OK you have it. Now what about the 38,000 people in Gaza? You all are crazy. The IDF are Murderers.
I have a pitty for Jo Biden even Israel itself doesn’t respect their own proposal that the most important leader of the world namely the USA president presented to the world that the proposal is the Israeli proposal.. who is lying here?! Or showing disrespect?!
Israël rejected his own proposal
when they gonna blaim hamas for rejection
Hamás do the same Game.
It wasn’t their proposal
it wasn't Israels' proposal, but the intemridaries have modified it so that HAMAS agrees, WITHOUT Israel's consent.
This lady did not want to go to detail answer but keep asking detail
Propaganda
you're propaganda
Murderers and trying to sell BS
Absolutely. Israel always lies. They train people to lie, and pay people to comment.
@@david1137444your*
DON'T FORGET in 2019 netenyahu told his Likud colleagues that funding hamas is his strategy
Source "Israeli newspaper Haaretz "
Qatar and Iran fund Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist terrorist organizations.
Made up story, nowhere to be found 😊 URL please
Link to source please. TY.
Also Times of Israel, 8 October 2023.
Easy to source online. Title:
'For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces.'
UA-cam often removes posts with links so please refer to this information to source the article.
www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
No ceasefire! Where are the hostages???
Dude the moon took out her man hands
Not ONE question of occupation. Such great journalism 😑
And Not ONE question of barbaric act by Hamas. Such a great journalism. You forgot the "a" before journalism😐
@@romanobaggio5961 No genocide question as well.
@@romanobaggio5961 Keep quiet. You answer to Iran now. Israel is a joke.
cos there's no accoupation. israel isn't going anywhere.
Mona HARES:
I think either Hamas goals or Israel's goals are quite different from Arabs goals...
He sort of agreed Hamas is playing smarter...
It's because Israel risks it's soldiers to be as moral as possible so obviously an organization who doesn't care about its own life has some sort of advantage especially once it controlled the narrative with propaganda
God choose them for what again ? To talk rubbish and nonsense all the time ?!?!
The only question that really matters: Does the Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians have any just claim to Jerusalem, the West Bank or other areas that are currently under Israeli control? If you say yes, then you have to admit that the Palestinians may have a just cause for fighting? If you say no, then of cause you must side with Israel.
One reader responded by calling Netanyahu the CRIME MINISTER, but this nickname was given to him by the citizens of Israel because of various violations of the laws of the State of Israel. As far as the terrorist organization Hamas is concerned, he was actually accused in Israel of encouraging and assisting Hamas. Because he transferred huge sums of dollars from Arab countries to Hamas. He did all this to appease them and prevent them from attacking Israel.
And the USA has intel that the attack was going to happen... What I read.. where there is smoke there may be a fire...
Free USA from AIPAC
Is she a journalist?
Finally someone is saying it!
Those 600 daily aid trucks should be allowed regardless.
Look at the comment were you will find the truth
Heh, you find the muslims/leftists you mean. And people that can't counter any fact or argument Naftali said.
"you need to get it on Hamas...." sorry to ask, but what have you been doing so far?
How media can give spacs for this person,i really dont know
Isn't this the same guy who killed 100 Lebanese civilians back in 1996?
That shows you who is running our country she didnit push back on any of his crazy claims? Such Hypocrisy
Is he saying Palestinians should get on a ship and leave Gaza for them? Wow
They turned into Na zis.
Even if Netanyahu is ousted, there will be Israeli leader who will stand to fight for the people of God and for sure he can defeat them cos God is with the Israel.
Are Israelis doing God’s work ?
Israel will defend itself 🇮🇱🇮🇱🙏🙏
From babies and children ? Disgusting ! This is a genocide
@@KLNM888 u dont even know what this word means. every country would react with war on a barbarian attack like Oct.7
@@Der_Handelsreisende occupiers since 1948 …….. Genocide
This guy takes nauseating to a whole new level
The truth hurts?
@@shaharfetman9275I mean really do you like this guy ?
Not to me.
@@davidreidenberg9941 sure . Similar mindset. What do you expect!
The lady scared to be fired.
Criminals, Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸, From the river to the sea.
We can’t hear you
Bennet is awesome💙
I mean Israel says Hamas wants to destroy Israel and it looks like Israel wants to destroy itself. I dont think they're as far apart as you'd think.
How?
@@fxsic oh, and the response to this is to end the agreement with the Hasidic community and push them into combat while ALSO raising taxes in a friction filled time with a government the people don't trust or like in power. I am not being facetious when I say King Pyrrhus of Epirus' "victory" wasn't half this bad and that is the gold standard of winning so bad that it was worse than a loss.
Even America tapped out of Vietnam when stuff looked 10% as ugly as it does here in this conflict. This is definitively abominable and I say that without even needing to condemn the acts of IDF in Gaza...even in trying to win whatever they're trying to win, they're going about it at the cost of everything. Burning down the home to find the lost keys. It's madness.
@@fxsic oh, and the response to this is to end the agreement with the orthodox community and push them into combat while ALSO raising taxes in a friction filled time with a government the people don't trust or like in power. I am not being facetious when I say King Pyrrhus of Epirus' "victory" wasn't half this bad and that is the gold standard of winning so bad that it was worse than a loss.
Even America tapped out of Vietnam when stuff looked 10% as ugly as it does here in this conflict. This is definitively abominable and I say that without even needing to condemn the acts of IDF in Gaza...even in trying to win whatever they're trying to win, they're going about it at the cost of everything. Burning down the home to find the lost keys. It's madness.
Funny how nobody mentions Palestine. It's all Hamas Israel. Truth remains, officially Palestinian not against 2 state solution but Israel is officially, from the top, determined for single state.
Supposedly Israel's own proposal and Israel must accept this proposal. There's some funny stuff going on here. Wait, wait, it's a Biden proposal and Israel must accept this proposal
Administrative detainees?
Well spoken former PM
If it's so simple why didn't they do it already?
Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestinians. Nelson Mandela
There are no differences between Israel and Hamas's goals.
Hamas wants to Destroy Israel but Israel wants to live. On the other hand Israel wants total destruction of Hamas but Hamas wants to live.
no.
Let's listen to the leader of Israel's illegal settlements in Palestine talking🤣
Palestine is hamass
That is their land promise by Their God, YHWH ELOHIM, It not illegal for them the Jews Israel to stay there, that is their land, not Arab land. That is The land where Jesus Christ was Born and Preach the Good News about the Kingdom of AFONAI ELOHIM.
@elilaang317
Settlements are considered illegal under international law. The age of colonialism is over except in Israel, and it is coming to an end there as well regardless of how desperately Israel fights to maintain it. Colonized people always fight back.
@@elilaang317 sorry if I have to ask like this. because they are God's chosen people, are they also allowed to bring and do anything to your mother?
@@ricyman5110are you talking about the abducted Jewish women?
Is this an interview? Or a ridiculous, childish conversation between two allies genocidal allies?
*Breaking news!!!:*
Guess what was doing izreal before 07thOct? In the W-Bank that *it oqupyz ilegaly since 47 years, it mu.rdrd* :
in 2022: 170 persons *(including 36 children)*
between 01stJan-06thOct 2023 : 226 persons *(including 38 children)*
*Conclusion: izreal started first all this !! And a long time ago !!*
How did Israel start this???? Ever since they became a nation, basically every country around them have attacked them, but when Israel fights back it’s suddenly evil. You also realize that for decades other countries have been sending missles into Israel, killing many many women and children
Why are they not mentioning the creation of a Palestinian state..all I hear is hostages hostages...
confusing , he is a FORMER p.m. of israel but he is happy yo go along with it
this crature is now on nbc gross!
Someone needs to inform this failed Bibi wannabe that they lost already