The Rise & Fall Of Scene Kids (everyone hated them)
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The rise and fall of scene kids! I talk about the rise of scene kids on Myspace, scene bands like Job For A Cowboy, Millionaires, Brokencyde, Hollywood Undead and Metro Station and the eventual decline of scene kids.
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0:00 Intro
2:57 The roots of scene kids
5:15 Crunkcore
7:45 Metalcore
10:54 Neon pop
13:56 The fall of scene kids
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How is emo/scream not the father of all this ?
The greatest thing about the scene was how many women loved it. It was called gay more than any other genre, but it was the only metal subculture where dudes actually had the opportunity to get laid by baddies.
It really was such a great time. Lol
Yeah, i was never into the scene, but I was into scene girls. Which means I had to be vaguely familiar with those bands.
I was from a rural town so I always felt like the scene kids where I was from were kinda silly, but they were nice kids for the most part. Just edgelord drama kids.
Fact.
Exactly. Emo and scene were like the hair metal of the 00's. Hot girls actually going to heavy shows. Nu Metal had a fair amount of crossover too with regards sexes. Modern metal is an absolute sausage fest.😊
I became a dad for a reason lol
Being a teen in the 2000s was a wild time.
It was. It was one hell of a ride. Would totally do it again if I had the chance lol. Sooo much good shit happened in that decade
A lot of great music in that decade for sure.
Yep
That's every decade you realize as you get older.
Good times! Good times, I was born in 89, so I remember all this taking place. What about you? What year were you born?
As an 80's kid, this seems like an evolution of the hair band styles we all adopted when we were in high school.
Oh yeah for sure, Ronnie radke talks about all the 80s bands he grew up on like Mötely Crúe and he was being pretty obvious about showing his style was rooted from that.
I got into 80s metal around the mid 2000s during my teens and dressing 80s really pissed off the scene kids 😂 guess they hated the idea they werent as original as they thought
@@Glamosapien I haven't changed my wardrobe since 1987. Band shirt and jeans.
My mom said the same thing back in the 2000s. She thought it was cool to see tight pants and crazy hair being popular again lol
Agreed... I get behind that
The scene years are a fond memory for me. My daughter and her best friend were teenagers and really into it all. The hair, the make up, the clothes and the music. I was bringing them to all the metalcore/deathcore shows, and what you call neon punk shows, and I loved it.
Thanks mom
good mom
Good mommy ❤😂
I had one as well! I love seeing the hairdos!
I think you're a wonderful mom for accepting what your daughter likes and even encouraging her! My mom didn't accept my interests when I was a teen 😭 and still doesn't 10+ years later lol
I was a social media intern for Millionaires record label in 2009, and their Management told us to specifically try to get online backlash. Getting people talking about them was the only goal, regardless of what the conversation was.
It's sad that our society has learned to value that concept. Better to go out and say hitler was good or rape is okay to get those eyeballs. Nobody wants to hear the weather or a local news story anymore when Kanye west is out there on Alex Jones' show in a ski mask talking about how he loves nazis or whatever andrew tate says about how you need to make your partner submit to you.
@@jonnuanez7183 no news is bad for the news business, so they blow things out of proportion. MH370 comes to mind and the "black hole theory" being discussed on CNN for hours on end. Or Trump getting 2 scoops of ice cream being talked about for several segments.
Man I honestly just admired how fkn hard they leaned into the cringe lol. Will still watch them music videos with an open jaw lol
No press is bad press
Still the catchiest music in ways that frustrate me to this day in 2023.
I always remember how the girls would look great online, then you’d meet them irl and they’d look like they just walked out of explosion at a beauty salon.
All about the angles you took the picture at. 😂
@@futuristic.handgun Now they use AI to alter their looks instead of working hard at getting the right angle. Girls today will never understand the struggles of girls 15 years ago.
Myspace webglow, all that hair and camera angle and early phone quality can hide a lot lmao.
but this comment though 😂
But also still hot af.....
you were in the wrong town, in california we had scene girls that looked as good irl as online. but when you'd go to smaller towns and see shows, you'd see a significant drop off in quality lol
I grew up in the scene kid culture in Las Vegas and my favorite thing about it was it was very “come as you are”. Everyone was accepted by each other and the weirder, the wilder, the better. I miss that era all the time.
Same I tend to miss that era as well. I will forever be a scene kid at heart though. 💜😭
Yeasssssss agreed!
Straight up! I’m from a pretty small town, and was the only emo kid at the time. But whenever I went to shows and networked with others the next town over, they didn’t care about baggage, or where I came from. They were just happy to have one more person to hang with and listen to good tunes with.
Unless you wernt white
Im a new scene kid :) I really think its awesome so far, I love expressing myslef in this way and it makes me feel at home!
You don't realise what you have until you miss it, I truly miss the 2000s...
It was so popular with girls because all bands at that time had at least one insane good looking member, mostly singers and that pissed off many guys 😅 It was like a alternative version of a boyband fandom and I loved it and still do
For real, it was like metalheads were mad there were heavy bands who didn’t look like they’ve skipped the showers for a month
It's also cause most of them needed autotune to sing worth a shit.
@@user-zp8us9bq8gyeah ok bud. They abused it some of them but most didnt even need it. The neon pop and that did but most metalcore/post-hardcore and deathcore didnt really use autotune.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Sorry, I'll clarify: I'm not really talking about Metalcore and all that. Just the incredibly lame mall-emo shit.
Nah they were just regular boy bands
As someone who was in middle school 2007-2010 I can firmly say that the music tastes were all over the place and absolutely WILD. I miss it 🤣
Now everyone just listens to shitty rap
@@savagemolonlabe9234 some of this underground rap nowadays is being mistaken for “shitty rap”. This coming from an emo kid forever at heart. Even in the “emo/scene” days, I would always be picky with my music. Even to this day, I just saw Thursday last week and I heard people my age (maybe younger, never know these days..) talking and comparing Thursday to Taking Back Sunday. I considered myself a TBS fan back in the day, but now looking back from this perspective of my age, Taking Back Sunday SUCKS compared to Thursday. I know MCR has some weird ass cult following too, and Thursday has toured with them, they have nothing but nice and great things to say about MCR, but beyond like 3-4 of their songs, MCR does not leave an impression on me like Thursday. Truly MF Poetic, doesn’t even try. Gives other bands the benefit of doubt. I fucking love THURSDAY. Can we make a video about THAT subculture? Those who know, know. The ones that identify with every single lyric. Way more realistic and hard hitting than other bands. #thosehowknow #thursday #thursdayforever #geoffrickly
As a former scene/neon pop-punk kid (I’m still listening to these bands), we predicted this in 2019 (Twentynine-Scene) and called what was to come the “RAWRing 20’s”. It has arrived!
Yesss Rawring 20s is so real!!!
Thank you for your service
"Things where the primary audience is young women is almost never respected by the media & gatekeepers" - THANK YOU for saying this out loud 👏 you are absolutely correct.
it's sad that women simply enjoying music invites disrespect toward musicians if too many of us like it. We can't be fans without being labeled "hysterical fangirls" or having our musical knowledge brought into question.
EDIT: I'm literally quoting the creator of the video. HE said this, I'm just agreeing. And I stand by what I said. The fact that y'all are directing your insults/arguments at me instead of him is proving his point 💀
^^^^^^THIS!!!!!!!
That's a very good point but what about k-pop and mainstream country from the 90's to now.
Yeah it's not like nearly every every pop song is written solely for women and played every single second on every single radio station🤦 ReSpAcT WaHmEn
...because you are?
Honestly, I don't think it was because the audience was partially women. A lot of the hate surrounding it during the time had more to do with the men from this scene because they had taken the traditional metal look and feminized it to the extreme. The lyrics were also typically emotional break up songs that added in clean vocals along with the screaming.
I was part of this scene at the time and most of the hate was directed at the males. The females in this scene were usually very popular and liked, while the males got shit on constantly. While it's true that female fans were in abundance and played a role in the aesthetics and culture, they were generally more accepted than the males.
It's also really not that unique when it comes to music scenes, women and metal, because the 1980s hair metal was also full of women fans and men in metal bands dressing like drag queens and wearing women clothing while also wearing make-up and the one thing hair metal has in common with "scene kids" is the hate it receives. It's not the females that were perceived as the problem, it was the perception of "feminized" males and the aesthetics of it is typically what attracts the females in the first place.
I showed up to the first day of school for my junior year in high school in 2008, I was like did I miss something? Everyone had scene hair, snake bite piercings, tight pants, colored fingerless gloves, stud belts, etc. Was a wild time
I miss scene girls. They looked so prettier and cooler than the tik tok girls of today. Scene girls always were very serious about their fashion sense.
Damn right and they looked good too
they knew how to apply eyeliner. Eyeliner is magic.
I’m still here :D
@SecretlyScene I subbed ! Your really cool x3
@@dawwyy Tysm!! X3 ur kewl 2
Former scene kid here, almost 40 now.
This time was wild and I loved Myspace, with ten thousands of follower I had. Posting photos of myself everyday.
I still have all photos of me from this time and man, these are crazy.
Was a great time. I still listen to all bands from that time.
I remember coding so many flashy neon backgrounds on MySpace
Good to hear from a scene veteran
post the photos omg!!
My son was a scene kid. I raised him to be a hardcore kid/metalhead. He became a Deathcore kid next which I supported entirely as he turned me on to bands I still love to this day. Now He's an avid Black Metal and Hardcore man. It all came out in the end. Proud papa here. We both love 80's New wave. Go figure.
Congrats. He doesn't have a Crispy Llama haircut with crocs. WIN/WIN
I've always found it interesting that the rise and fall of scene kids kind of align with the 2008 recession. They rose up a little bit before, went strong through the beginning, and then most of them became the sarcastic "everything I enjoy has to be through 1000 layers of irony" hipsters in the early 2010s. I know correlation does not equal causation but when you look at dress history times of financial crisis does tend have influence on the popular fashions.
no, it aligns with obama destroying the country
🤔.. dang..
Yeah I agree..
Why were bands that got ignored...
Have Heart, Comeback Kid, Trapped Under Ice, Back Track,, all great all from the same era
Yes this. The emo to scene to indie sleaze hipster pipeline is real.
I know, cause I was on that conveyor belt.
All organic fashion/aesthetics is a response to the wider environment
That’s true and astute. Reminds me of the emergence of Punk and the response of the major social impacts they grew up with and coming out of the haze of VN, losing trust in the system and seeing what it’s done to friends/family, poverty etc…
2000-2010. I was in the “hardcore scene” and we hated when we saw these kids at shows. They were targets in the pit. Now I’m almost 40 and you realize what a joke all the “rules” and shit were. Stay out of the hardcore scene kids it’s not all positive.
Hardcore kids were the most vile of those days. Ruined shows, ganged up on people, carried knuckles and pepper spray. Became heroin addicted antifa, after claiming straight edge and attacked people for smoking.
@@Arthurian.Ah yes, because being anti-fascist is a bad thing right? 🤦🏻
@@FAHJA17????? Yes bc being antifa is ONLY associated w the hxc scene???
@@FAHJA17 It is when antifa means rather more than being opposed to fascism. Antifa are totalitarians by their own admission and quite content to destroy anyone who opposes them. They may be the negative of muh fascism but they're just as bad as actual fascists.
@@ilysixwings6631 Where in my comment did I say that? 🤔
Being a scene kid during this era in music was so special. I remember going to hot topic to hear new music. Ah memories
This was my whole teenage years, we had so much fun, and the bands were really accessible somehow
Former scene kid here. Now sober Christian dad with traditional tattoos. A natural progression.
Same! I'm a normie now. Got my first child on the way!
1st Peter 5:8
I have Adults, 30, 28 & 26..
Your music is more about you then, clothes etc.. Thrice, As I, Norma Jean etc... didn't matter to me.. those dudes were all nice.. I've been Straight Edge forever.. but wasn't.. before Highschool, as a Dad, I will say, not a single wasted second.. my kids and family Nieces and Nephew,, are into music,, give back, I would say,, buy from them, go see them etc..
I am Sober, because I wanted it..
Always find New Music..
Cheers from Orange County CA..
New Incendiary.. is awesome..
Few years back..
Agnosy.. @∅
😍
Black and grey realism for me. I was born in ‘91 and proudly went back to black, dark grey, and gray jeans, vans, MCR, BMTH, skate, pink dolphin and moto clothes 🤘😝..🖕 it
Lame....
It is wild that every 20 or so years, the hairstyles in music just get physically larger for a while.
Its like a vicennial flower of hair.
All fashion ebbs and flows. In the 90’s baggy pants were cool and in the 2000’s skinny jeans were cool and in the 2010s jeans were for old people and teens wore short shorts and athleisure, supposedly blue jeans are making a comeback but who cares, wear what you want and eventually you’ll be ahead of the trend because it eventually comes back around.
Lol the perennial hair bloom
As someone that was a teen during the height of scene culture, one thing I dont miss about the original scene kids is how divisive what constituted as "scene" vs "emo" was (at least in the 2000s - early 2010s), yet that's what I love about this sort of revival on Tiktok, in that the divisiveness doesn't really seem to exist anymore. Gen Z seems a lot more open to be genre-less and just welcome a little bit of everything
I was one of those scene kids who really hated being called emo. It really goes back to the stereotypes surrounding emo kids, the dark thoughts they seemed to wear like a badge of honor, self mutilation, etc. We just didn't have much in common beyond a love of music and the color black, lol. I had ONE really close friend in 9th grade who was a typical emo kid, and all he ever talked about was wanting to die and hating his life. I tried to be patient and empathetic, but I couldn't talk about my own problems without "well, at least you're not going through what I'm going through." My grandfather died, and he said "at least your grandfather loved you." I know he needed a friend, but he made it so incredibly difficult to want to stick around. When you're 15-18, you simply don't have the experience to navigate that kind of friendship with grace AND boundaries in a healthy way.
The need to differentiate ourselves wasn't rooted in gatekeeping what was or wasn't scene, but in knowing we move through the world differently. We had more in common with and were typically friends with punk and metal kids. Hell, I even have the Anti-Flag broken M16 stars tattooed on my back.
I hope emo never comes back tbh. The glorification of self-harm and suicide need to be kept in the past.
@_FruityPebble If you think the emo was glorification of self harm and suicide you’re absolutely dead wrong, that’s what the media tried to say and put that stereotype on it, emo was to help kids who felt that way and to save lives of many who were depressed not to promote it, it was all about relatability.
@@_FruityPebble emo helped many kids who had depression so they could express themselves and not feel alone and have a community of people who went through struggles and liked that type music and type of clothing and dark emo look, so you’re wrong on many levels.
@@_FruityPebblelosers 😂
Oh and the goth vs scene and emo, for some reason goths had a weird vendetta against scene and emo people
There was a lot of that culture that was weird and cringe, but we all were to some degree in the early MySpace days. I also loved MySpace because you could interact with a lot of bands. I remember commenting on a Killswitch Engage post and they replied. But I've never been a fan of the subgenre "rules." I just tell people I listen to metal, from KsE, to Trivium, to Coheed and Cambria, Opeth, Dream Theater, Archspire, Sworn In, Acacia Strain, A7x, etc. It's just all good music.
Hell yeah. I remember bands I legit loved sending me flac files of their albums. Lots of down to earth people. Also some doucebags too lol
Ngl dunno the subgenre of half the bands i like 😂
@@shockingvenus8322same XD
I was born in 1989 and was a teenager and metalhead RIGHT in the middle of the scene kid boom in the mid-2000s. I never had anything against the fashion itself, and always appreciated a thoughtful and interesting scene outfit (I flat-ironed my hair and had a studded belt!).
But what I hated was the "holier than thou" mentality - that somehow, by dressing "scene", you were more "authentic" or more "into" hardcore and metal than people who weren't, even though you probably only listened to like three bands that you happened to hear on MTV (bands like From First to Last, Sleeping with Sirens, etc. come to mind, even though I have NOTHING against these bands).
This attitude is what I believe really killed mainstream metal in the late 2000s with an overabundance of "scene" bands who had little to do with the actual metal scene and more to do with trying to ride the wave of pop clout that these kinds of bands had for a few years. I don't think metal really came back from this as a genre that was perceived as legitimate by the average person until 5 or more years later when the era of djent influence began.
Same when emo took over pop.punk
Agreed on the attitude part, which i think plays into my biggest gripe with scene kids: how they mosh. In college, i went to A LOT of metal shows, and invariably, there was always one asshole scene kid there who would be doing that arms flailing/stomping mosh shit (3:20) and hit someone in the face. It was fucking annoying to everyone who just wants to go nuts and push people around. Inevitably, however, there was always a stocky 5' 2" bald guy who would launch the kid out of the mosh and the problem would be solved. Thank god people barely try to do that shit any more. Trying to punch-stomp-dance someone in a mosh pit doesn't make you cool and hardcore, it just makes you an asshole taking up way too much space.
Well said, I was born in 92 and feel the same.
So true
Amen
I was in high school when the Scene first started, after I got into Slipknot in early high school, once I was a sophomore/junior in '03, I heard of this little up and coming band called As I Lay Dying, and I was HOOKED. Old-school "hXc" and deathcore, and all the whacky aesthetics, and all the amazing shows... you really nailed all this stuff dude. It was a real blast from the past. JFAC, Asking Alexandria, Atreyu, Suicide Silence, Norma Jean... all the bands you talked about, I absolutely adored them all. It was such an amazing time for music, and it shaped who I am today.
As usual, you really added a lot of intelligence to the conversation of the Scene. You really are one of the most insightful person I think I've ever heard discussing musical history, especially alternative genres.
And last... HOW COULD YOU NOT MENTION FROM AUTUMN TO ASHES??? Come on now! 😂 They were goddamn pioneers!
There's a TON of bands he forgot to mention. And him saying JFAC was the first heavy scene band? 🤦 Has this guy never heard of As Blood Runs Black, Winds of Plague, All Shall Perish, Despised Icon etc.?
My sister was a scene kid. I was a few years too young to understand WTF they were doing but I remember liking the kandi. They have sense grown into a full brown hardcore kid. now that I’m 20 and it’s long dead I’m kinda getting into it because I refuse to let the cringe culture haters ruin my fun ANY LONGER!
When I say I was born in the wrong generation, it doesn't mean I wanted to grow up in the 1970s. It means I wanted to experience prime Hollywood Undead and MySpace.
It was a great time.
Mate it was banging
Me too fr
You couldn’t handle the pressure of choosing your top 8 friends on MySpace
@@johnnytsunami3695my ex got so mad at me thinking I removed her from my #1 spot. Turns out MySpace glitched but she wouldn't believe me. I def dodged that bullet
Great video. My brother was in a band back then and I remember them getting a lot of hate for having been known as a “MySpace band”. An interviewer mocked them as looking like “a boy band with tatoos”. It was a weird time. They were just playing music, grinding, trying to build a fan base however they could, and they rightly sensed that MySpace had potential in reaching people all over the world.
In the era I was a full-on "J-Rocker" (ya know, Japanese rock fan) I was homeschooled up until highschool in like 2003-2005ish. Oh man did the Emo kids despise us and we despised them. I can appreciate my peers now that were emo, and we both still get hype at our respective genres of music and I think that's really cool, honestly.
Check out "dazzle vision"! One of my favs ;) and of you like metal "mergingmoon" .
You can't even imagine how popular emo culture was in 2007-2009 in Russia. There were a bunch of gorgeous local bands, like Stigmata, Amatory, Jane Air, Neversmile, Origami. And teenagers looked exactly the same as in the video🔥
That is super interesting.. I will check some them out.. I like hearing new sounds..
I'm from the Heart of Scene.. Orange County California..
This wasn't really emo culture though. Scene kids were like a hyperactive branch off of emo but it quickly became it's own thing. They're quite the opposite
You forgot Psychea. Unusually original for Russian rock/metal scene.
@@denisborzov8406agree)
Love Jane Air
Your point a majority female-fanbase subcultures is so true. There’s definitely resentment for it at first because it’s seen as corny and trendy boy bands. I wish I had grown up in this scene because I honestly would have seen myself become a scene kid lol Great video and study of the subculture. You explain it so well.
Except in this case it wasn't really the cause of the hate towards it and he just spat that out for the sake of doing it. While yes female- fanbases get a lot of resentment from outsiders of it - look at the metrics. Pop bands (mostly young female listeners) - hated by people who don't like pop except those pop artists are the biggest in the world. The scene artists were hated because they weren't metal, they weren't punk, they weren't party rock, they weren't hardcore (despite a few bands treading into it), they were basically a hair band from the 80s without the music to back it up.
Watching this.. I don't feel old. I feel grateful to have experienced it.
What I think is weird about the scene is how quickly it disappeared. It was still super popular in 2009. Then just two years later in 2011, indie-folk and EDM and dubstep were absolutely huge.
I think the close connection of scene and the Christian church is really important with understanding how it got so popular, especially among girls. If you were a girl growing up in a church, it was ok to be alt/edgy if it was within the bounds of the Christian music scene. I had friends who weren't allowed to go to concerts unless they were at the straight edge Christian music venue. I think a reason I never got into scene was because it was so christian and I didn't come from that kind of background.
That must have only been in your small area - there was never any religious overtones in the scene where I was.
@@corail53 the bible belt is not a small area
I’m MAD late, but I just found this channel and I relate to this comment so hard.
100% I accidentally fell in love with scene/emo culture because of MySpace Christian Scene bands after unknowingly attending a show, only having permission to go because it was a “church concert” put on by a christian youth group.
I grew up with a strict Seventh Day Adventist family, nephew of a hot shot preacher where most of my Sabbaths were spent watching sermons and attending (and eventually DJing) Sermons and SDA concerts. The music was usually pretty terrible, but participating and learning to use the mixing equipment was kind of fun and allowed me socialization without too much supervision. Plus, the musicians that visited were usually pretty chill , just trying to get comfortable writing music and performing in front of people and since the church didn’t allow a drums (or bands for that matter) on stage the set was usually burned into a CD with instrumentals.
This was like 2004 or so and the general vibe was anything that wasn’t SDA was a varying degree of satanic.. mixing distorted electric guitars and drums was the equivalent of drawing a pentagram and chanting in Latin. I once got grounded for mildly bobbing my head when my buddy played “Enter Sandman” on his Diskman for me when my mom spotted me from across the room. I know it came from a loving place, and she was just embarrassed and afraid that I seemingly didn’t even try to embrace religion.
Needless to say, I still deal with rejection and identity issues because of how much I hid my personality. I get existential anxiety just thinking about what “personality” even means.
So I found myself in a small, poorly lit venue with a stage and like 150 people decked out in their finest fishnets and short sleeve band tee-shirts on top of long sleeve tee-shirts with thumb holes cut out and skinny jeans and studded belts- the aesthetic was so strong, I just remember thinking how brave and beautiful everyone looked. The air smelled like pretty girl perfume, hairspray and whatever comes out of those fog machines. I definitely cried while the band started played. They were screaming and it was so heavy and deliberate, it felt like more of a religious experience than any sermon I ever attended because everyone was just jumping around singing along dancing and moshing. I probably looked super cringe, but it was just fun and I felt like I wasn’t going to get in trouble for having fun.
I don’t remember what the band was called, but they were on MySpace, and that was the gateway to so many bands that I listened to in secret and people I followed and socialized with, but it didn’t feel like “cheating” on god because they were technically Christian.
I was never brave enough to fully dress the part or even admit that I questioned my faith to my family, but I LOVED the culture because it freed me from living in denial.
I think most people remember their scene phase fondly, but unfortunately, it doesn't age well at all. That look is pretty much exclusively for kids. You ever seen a dude in his mid 30s with full scene attire? It's uh... creepy, to say the least.
By the time you hit college, you had to adapt or become a creep before turning 21...
Yeah that's who made up most of the bands, that's what put me off.
I know one guy and a girl from my high school class that still are looking like that, we are 30 now and they have totally normal jobs today 🫣😅
Emo & "scene" have its revival among Zoomers (especially TikTok) but aren't over the top like this. To me it's very its time though. Atleast Gen Z turns it down to not too cringy.
That's why you'll still see "real" metalheads look when they're over 30's.
A shout out to Justin Pearson is not something I was expecting; but on reflection, you are absolutely right. That sassy aesthetic is definitely the origin.
He also hates refused which is a good thing! I actually based my look off Pearson, Eighteen Visions and Pre pedo era lostprophets back in the day (I grew up in wales), then I grew up and started looking like mike cheese.
@@lewisb85
I thought Finn had always given Refused the rub, unless you mean Pearson, in which case yeah they jacked his look quite egregiously.
Mate, I’m thirty-something and receding. Bring the fringe back, it’s a life-saver!
I think JP's influence was sort of indirect, his look was not far off from the scene fashion but I would say he had more influence on the style of the early aughts NYC rock thing (Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Rapture, etc).
I'm so thankful I wasn't able to save most of my photos from Myspace, they're lost to the void and I am at peace with it.
Even though this is a music channel, I really appreciate your focus on culture. I never regret taking 20 minutes out of my day, no matter what the subject of your video is. Somehow I have missed/ignored most of the Scene Kids phenomenon even though I was in my 20s at the time, listed to music all day, and spend most of the night on the internet. I guess the beautiful thing about culture is that there are so many pockets of it, it's easy to not be fully aware of something big happening one click away from you. Thanks for filling in that gap for me!
I was 20-25 during peak scene times and I loved it. I was always a punk rocker and loved hardcore and grindcore, the transition to scene was super fluid for me. I matured with my style but I still have my stretched ears and snake bites. Fun times.
I was JUST a little too old (in my opinion being in my early 20s at the time) to be a scene kid but I unironically thought the styles were great and super creative.
I also completely missed the rise of metalcore and am only starting to appreciate it now!
I was also in my early 20s and appreciated some of the styles
I was a metal core scene kid, I never got less scene, I just have an adult hair line now, and instead of Levi 510s I wear 511s 😂
A new fav video of yours! Awesome stuff. I appreciated getting insight into the different kinds of scene music and find it fascinating that I completely missed the 'crunkcore' and 'neon' versions of scene. I was heavy into the metalcore world and somehow didn't notice all the crossover. Thanks for all the awesome content!
The break down of this video is so good. Great explanation but you braught back so many memories ❤❤
I used to listen to some very cringey stuff when I was a scene kid 😅 but it holds a lot of fond memories for me and it kind of taught me too come out of my shell more and be more self confident cause I didn’t care what people thought of me at that time. So I don’t regret the time I spent invested in it 💕 I feel like once you’re any type of alternative or like sub genre it never leaves you like part of your heart will always be that
the "Clash of cultures" you mentioned, to me, is why so many ( myself included) never considered the "core" movement as part of the metal scene. It's just a totally different subculture. There is some great music, but it's a different subculture
I’m with you, it’s completely different subculture and has nothing to do with the Metal subculture.
I really miss this time. I was in high school during the scene era. I really hope it makes a comeback with younger people. Even though I cringe at some of the things I wore and listened to, it was one of the most fun times of my life.
I was a deathcore kid back then, we mingled with the scene ladies all the time, had lots of good times and went to amazing shows no one will ever be able to see again, 2000-2008 was magical and I wouldn't trade it for the world.
I was a teen then. Young people were in need of a counter culture. That’s why it was so fun
Scene culture is still alive in some states, such as Michigan, Florida, or California, but I think within the next couple of years it’ll go big again due to the whole 20 year rule. The 2000s were a big revival of 80s culture where as today we’re seeing a ton of 90s influence come back.
I hope it does! I got layers in my hair recently again because one of my friends did and I love it and can’t wait to see it make a comeback! It will be a nice change
You make a good point with the 20 year rule
Something I really like about the scene community with that you didn't need to give up all your other genres in order to be part of it. A scene kid was as likely to blare BOTDF as they were 3DG, Katy Perry, Black Eyed Peas, etc.
This and your indie vid have been great. It feels like the 2000s were a very distinct and important time in music, but the culture started moving so fast in that exact moment it's rarely reflected on and contextualized to our current moment. I hated scene but it was critical in the "one sound" electronic, rap, rock blend of all modern pop.
I was in middle and high school during the peak of scene kids. I was a "metal kid" who wore a lot of lamb of god/slipknot/pantera band tees and regular jeans every day and I remember having friends start showing up in the girl jeans with the teased multicolor hair, and the culture shock of it all. And while I can agree there was a lot of tension and hate and elitism initially, eventually there was also a lot of coexisting due to "the scene'' encompassing a lot of style/flavors like you touched on which meant there was room for everyone. Going to local shows for bands like The Contortionist, The Analyst, or Haste the Day there would be the "metal kids" moshing and the ''scene kids" hardcore dancing and at first it felt like it was a fight for territory, but eventually we started to realize that at the end of the day we were all there having a good time listening to heavy music and we were all part of a "fringe" group the mainstream culture would see as largely the same type of weirdos so I feel like at least around where I am we kind of found common ground in that and things kind of melded and there stopped being such hard lines to the point where I don't associate Metalcore exclusively with scene kids like you did in this video making it one of the three branches of the scene. Bands like As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, Trivium, Every Time I Die, etc were part of the blurring of the lines with a lot of non-scene metal kids being into them too and were largely still there when those friends ditched their girl pants and flat irons when the scene died.
I know it's a complex topic with a lot of nuances as well as different points of view, so I just wanted to add mine to the mix since that time and place was foundational for me growing up.
The Analyst you say? My best friend back in the day was in that band, we dicked off in class so much and went to shows (or he played them in his previous band) almost every weekend before The Analyst. Good times. Well said btw, I agree with this 100%.
Interesting take. I was in high school from 2003-2007 in the Boston area and remember it was a quick shift from emo to scene in probably mid-2004ish. Scene kids were largely differentiated by their more flamboyant fashion sense/hair & their aesthetic MySpace pages. They generally listened to emo bands like TBS and Death Cab, but were more open to “posery” music like Panic and FOB. It may just be where I was located but by the time the later bands like Millionaires came around it was more nostalgic than anything. All the scene kids already turned into more like stoner hippies
Absolutely nailed it.
this was my experience too where i lived in australia and went to school with one of the scene kids pictured in this video. you cant talk about scene without referencing emo.
LOL does anyone else remember what a mortal sin it was to wear a band tee and not know the lyrics to said bands entire discography 😂 emos usually were the biggest culprits. Tell me I'm wrong.
There is also When We Were Young Festival being sold out which features a lot of those older bands and is advertised with that old MySpace aesthetic. So yes it's definitely coming back! Still great video!
I would have so went to that, one day got cancelled because of a storm and I feel bad for them lol
Being a Scene kid was one of the best things at the time, and i know that a lot of you are proud of it too, it's a shame that so many people think they are "grown up adults" just because they refuse to say they liked it.
Dude, I love your videos. You are so freaking knowledgeable, and you really transmit your love for music.
I was in high school during this era and resisted everything about it. Honestly, wish I would have embraced it a little more. I know I missed out on a lot of cool shows. Lots of my friends saw bands play VFWs and community halls, that are now headlining major festivals.
This is so relatable. I wish I wasn't such a dork and "I'm too metal for this" but that's what happens when you're a dumb high school kid.
The screamo scene right before "scene" became a thing was way cooler. I hated all of it though.
I notice you didn't mention Blood on the Dance Floor. That band was a huge part of that scene but I also have a feeling I know why you steered clear of that mess.
We dont talk about them. Theres devil worship, then theres giving lip service to Blood on the Dance Floor.
He skipped over a TON of bands, and his opinion on Job For a Cowboy being the 1st heavy scene band is just wrong.
I was waiting for him to mention but hey he probs didn’t want any curious people searching them up to get money off UA-cam . Cuz the one singer is still trying to put music out but goes by a different name
I was wondering that too. But maybe that's because one of the singers Dahvie is a pedophile and slept around with tons of minors who went to their concerts and Warped Tour. The other singer Jay, wants nothing to do with the band and wants no affiliation due to the trauma brought on by BOTDF and Dahvie. Probably didn't wanna bring attention to something dark like that when this video essay is more of a nostalgia trip.
@@EsoteraeonAlso, the music video to their most recognized song Bewitched was used in Angry Joe's review of DmC Devil May Cry, and it was hilarious. The recurring gag even got to return in his DMC5 review.
I really enjoy your profound analyses which always go much deeper than the usual initial knee jerk reaction. Having lived through that time, it now makes much more sense to me, thanks to your video. Keep it up!
PROUD SCENOR CITIZEN. So much that i got a coontail again to recognize the ones before us.
It was weird and goofy, I even had a slightly scene haircut in 2003-5 haha. I will say we all seemed so much happier than kids now. It’s like kids are obsessed with negativity and correcting their peers constantly. We had just come off of a terrible terrorist attack and a war was going on. Yet we all were having fun and not obsessively worried about what words we used. Maybe that’s the key, there is no real threat or reason to worry right now. So everyone is making up something to be upset about.
Bingo. Social media is cancer, the culture is toxic, the media perpetuates it all. Outrage is the norm now.. sad. Maybe scene coming back around will herald a new era of cooperation!
I remember myself and a bunch of scene kids followed Jeffrey Starr in a line off stage like the pied piper 😂
This was at warped 2011
Scene happen in the prime of my teenage years. I absolutely loved it. Emo/Hardcore with some neon soft spots. The shows were killer, atmospheres electric, dancing angst away.
I was 24 in 2008, so still young but old enough to not have been influenced by the look or the music and I remember emo was EVERYWHERE. Every kid you saw had the straight long hair with the huge swept look, tattoos, bright neon clothes and skinny jeans. Emo nights at nightclubs were huge, bands everywhere. I never ever got it but I thought it was cool because it was guitar driven band music, everyone wore makeup and as an alternative guy I appreciated all the black clothes. But there were many posers. Many, many posers.
I will always look back at my scene phase with so much fondness bc yes it might have been a tad cringey, there’s nothing like bopping to the millionaires with your hair sprayed and teased, wearing the clunky belts and invader zim tees, skinny “can you even breathe in those” jeans while going on MySpace and taking edgy pictures to upload them on there. Nothing can replicate those times and it’s shaped me who I am today, so I will always be thankful for it lmao
Gah as a former scene kid this truly was a time capsule 😂😂 I kinda really miss my former scene kid days 😂😂
One thing you said that’s really important is music AND fashion run on 20 year cycles. Remember a lot of scene kids were influenced by the 80s style 20 yrs before. I was just thinking about this last night how we’re about to hit that 20 yr revival bc it really kicked off in 2002 when The Used and Taking Back Sunday came out. You know your music! First video I watched, huge music fan, grew up on punk rock. And spent my high school years dressing that way bc there was a revival a short one for punk rockers in the 2000s but was short lived bc everyone called everyone a poser. So anyway, one video in and I’m subbed! Awesome job my dude. 💖🖤🎸🤘🏼
I have thought at length about this too and I think you’re spot on. Also I wonder if the proliferation of the internet and social media will shorten these cycles or make them obsolete.
I remember the neon metal merch from 2005-2008 at the Warped Tour. I was super confused by it. But weirdly liked it. I grew up to be a graphic designer and looking back I really dig some of the wild art from this era. Thank you for the memory. 🎉
This just brought back WAVES of nostalgia. I was definitely a scene kid, sans colorful hair because I wasn't allowed. But FTSK was THE band for me. I look back on old pictures from Warped Tour and I was never with out that big plastic black diamond charm necklace from Zumiez. But you're right the moment I entered college in 2011 I took a hard pivot into Indie Folk music and dropped that whole aesthetic lol so curious to see what the kids will do when the trend comes back around.
Millennial moment 😂
This stuff happened when i was in high school. I was in a garage punk kind of band at the time, playing covers of bands like The Hives and Danko Jones plus our own stuff. We had one show in around 2010 and the band playing before us was One Morning Left. There were a couple of scene girls from my class seeing them, and i have to point out the girl at 17:44 looks extremely much like one of them. Maybe she's just a look-alike but who knows?
Great cultural breakdown as usual Finn.
Tough Guy Hardcore was pretty opposed to scene kids. There was an old joke that went, "Why do tough guys wear camo? Because they don't want to be scene."
What a fascinating break down of this culture. I came up around the time when Grunge was starting in the very early 90s, and although the bands were different, the look was different, it was still a similar culture in the fact that there were so many different factions, bands and looks and each one was unique. Since I was a bit older, I just didn't understand the Scene kids so this video was really interesting to me. I'd like to see you do a breakdown of the Goth culture from the 80's.
I think a lot of those crunkcore bands and scenesters were hated because the elitist felt it was more about fashion and image than music and felt it trivialized their passion/hobby. I also think some people were just jealous that these kids were having fun in such an obnoxious way.
100
Though a lot of those bands did suck.
It really was more about that than the music, which isn't good at all
I graduated high school in 04 and I remember that at the time 80s stuff was really popular with me and my friends. We would go to goodwill to find bright neon 80s clothes. The cringer the better.
This was peak humanity lmao I say that purely out of being a teen for the last half of the scene era. It died off around late 2014 for the most part but I had a great 3 years being the preppy kid that was always at shows push moshing and crowd surfing
2005-2011 was absolutely the peak of human civilization. Now I’m a little biased as those were my middle school and high school years but wow what a ride. I have fondness for other decades but that time period is just perfect. Social media when it was in its infancy the internet still had a hint of innocence to it, PS2-PS3 era gaming, World of Warcraft, people still interacted with one another in person, smart phones weren’t ubiquitous. In a really stupid way I feel as though the world changed after 2020.
Idk man I just wanna go back
What an era!! I’m so glad to have been apart of this time 😭😂
Same, it’s a very warm nostalgic memory for me.
By the early 2010’s most of the scene had turned towards a more hipster aesthetic, but there were still some scene kids taking the bright colored crazy hair/bangs and fashion to new levels into the mid 2010’s, you just had to go to some small town in Florida or Arizona to find them.
A lot of the kids I knew just went full candy raver and started going to warehouse shows and really embracing the whole dubstep thing for a while, but that may have been a regional (NY) thing
@@prufrockrenegade Yes! It seemed like the rave/dubstep boom definitely breathed new life into the crazy hair scene kids aesthetic lol.
I live in rural Arizona. During that time period that scene kid movement was very short lived. A lot of us didn’t have access to the Internet nor having good cell service. We were late but it was cool looking back now
I was too shy to dress like a scene kind but my heart was all in it, mostly the metalcore/deathcore side of things. I was definitely someone who dogged on crunkcore.
I still regularly listen to a lot of it. Do I consider some of it a guilty pleasure? Absolutely. But I’m cool with it.
I was similar; I always liked the aesthetic, but was never comfortable enough to dress like that myself, haha
Me too! I definitely had skinny jeans and As I Lay Dying, Poison the Well, From Autumn to Ashes small shirts. But at the same time I started getting into actual melodic death metal and thrash and that's where that led me. Still to this day will pop on one the first few Killswitch albums and sing my heart out, remember every word. Darkest Hour and Unearth were amazing live, good memories from this period!
Crunkcore was obligatory to hate on.
this is my fav channel, thank you so much
I had fun when I was a teen and I appreciate the patience I had to get ready every day.
I remember we brought a band from Portland to our local Christian music fest. They were the last ones to play and just started amazing screaming and their roadie guy just started throwing his fists around and that’s when the scene kids came to eastern Idaho with their Christian death core🤣 RIP Believing in June … you guys were awesome
Great video! I have a metal band right in the mists of all this so this video brought back tons of memories lol
I appreciate Forever The Sickest Kids getting a mention on this video! I absolutely loved Underdog Alma Mater. Those guys are incredibly talented! Miss those days, and what a time it was to be 17 in 2008.
Youre a damn good journalist, Finn. Great piece here.
I’m 25 and have been embracing this style again and creating the scene wardrobe of my 14 year old dreams cause no one can stop me and it’s not a phase! Lmao I never stopped loving the music either it just feels safe enough to embrace it now and I don’t feel like I’m gonna get bullied again
As someone who was exactly the target demographic for scene stuff when it was big, I really appreciate how respectful you are. People in the music communities I'm part of now STILL shit on some of my favorite bands from back in the day, but BMTH probably wouldn't be huge if not for people like my middle school best friend, who got into deathcore specifically because she was obsessed with Oli.
I don't actively listen to a lot of scene stuff anymore, but if Hollywood Undead's Everywhere I Go or any old Fall Out Boy pops up in a playlist, I absolutely WILL listen to it.
Good times man. My first warped tour fucking changed my life. S/O to Of Mice and Men for doing a free meet and greet. You made my year
What's with the gambling sponsor dude? The last frame of that ad and your video description literally has an addiction helpline for the product you're sponsored by.
Agreed. I get that Finn's gotta make a living but have some standards. Gambling can be just as destructive as drugs.
Yeah, not kool.
So, he doesn't control what people do.
Interestingly you mentioned suicide science as one of the og hated scene bands and I do agree! BUT ALSO they were one of the first that I saw being accepted by normal metalheads, at least from what I saw
Carnifex & Whitechapel also got accepted. Especially when Carnifex is going more blackened stuff & Whitechapel going more prog metal.
@@gx1tar1er that's true they were early adopted too
you mentioned FTSK!! okay, this is my new favorite channel 😂
you know what bands to mention, its not all critisicm, you relate everything back to music. thank youuuuu
In 2008 I was freshman in High school..I miss those days. Metalcore scene was amazing
Believe it or not , I still think it was a great era ! 🤘🏻🔥
Correct opinion, rather fact.
I always really liked the scene/emo aesthetic, but was never comfortable enough to dress that way myself, haha.
Musically, I was more into the emo/punk side of things; for Metalcore, I was more into bands like Killswitch Engage and All That Remains.
Hey, this is super interesting! I played guitar in a metalcore band in germany around 2010, so I was kind of 'inside' the scene, but never considered myself as a part of it. It was all a bit disconcerting to me in some ways, but it was a great time and i miss playing so many shows like i did back then. And the crowd was always amazing!
The video I've been waiting for since subbing! Thank you for this! The Metalcore path = me! Some obscure bands I was into at the time that weren't mentioned but I think fit the template were A Heartwell Ending and Sky Eats Airplane.
I think Finn hit the nail on the head with the anesthetic point I agree most of the hate for a lot of those bands came from simply not fitting the stereo type. Humans are tribal its that simple. I realized that way back when when bands like SS, JOB, and Carnifex where getting hate for whatever reason and I'm sitting here listening thinking to myself these guys are harder than most death metal bands why the hate? Then I thought must just be the way they dressed lol even tho I didn't see any issue 🤷♂️ lol
Hey I dig your UA-cam. Very well educated and knowledgeable. Keep up the good work 🤘. Yes I was in taking back Sunday 🤘
In the early 90's I looked like a Grunge kid, although I listened to Metal and Punk bands. At the end of the 90's it was the typical Thrash Metal / Hardcore look (Army Pants, Band Shirt, Leather Jacket, Battle Vest, BCap) at that time I found the Nu Metal kids strange and everything that came after that but I never judged a trend or made fun of younger People because I remember how it was for me when someone who considers himself a scene guru told me what I was doing wrong. When I see "adults" who are upset about the youth I always think of my Parents who told me that you can not show with me in the "public" and think to myself last the kids but be kids.
I can honestly say I got into suicide silence from trying to relate to this scene girl back in high school but stayed for the heaviness of the band and the creative shirt ideas. I still have my neon shark shirt 😂👌