Paul London on The Vince McMahon SCANDAL

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • Paul London talks about the latest scandal regarding vince mcmahon, and talks about ashley massaro.
    #paullondon #vincemcmahon #ashleymassaro

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  • @sbz88
    @sbz88 7 місяців тому +1023

    Kevin Dunn randomly deciding to leave the WWE weeks ago makes a lot of sense now. He was one of Vince's closest allies for decades.

    • @mangamegs
      @mangamegs 7 місяців тому +14

      Oh yeah

    • @bigdaddyroy5382
      @bigdaddyroy5382 7 місяців тому +51

      Nah he left cause eventually his word wouldn't be final and he's made millions might as well get out when u can

    • @CrushDontRush
      @CrushDontRush 7 місяців тому +61

      Steph left too they all knew what’s coming but HHH Pretended he never read any of it and didn’t know Or Care …

    • @user-hx4le1vn2c
      @user-hx4le1vn2c 7 місяців тому +30

      Unrelated. He was losing power and didn’t like it. Not every correlation equals causation

    • @chrisruth7057
      @chrisruth7057 7 місяців тому +50

      ​@@bigdaddyroy5382Kevin Dunn definitely knew what was going on that's exactly why he left + many others that are still there knew exactly what was going on like HHH Nick Khan & at least 3 to 4 others knew but they did absolutely nothing

  • @tomgilder1051
    @tomgilder1051 7 місяців тому +638

    Justice for Ashley Massaro RIP

    • @RedDragonM1
      @RedDragonM1 7 місяців тому +71

      I met her at NYCC'11! She said "you look like a shy one." I said "Pretty girls...don't really talk to me..." She beamed. "AWW! You think I'm pretty! You're so sweet!! THANK YOU!"

    • @llibmukred5906
      @llibmukred5906 7 місяців тому

      I bet that old, sick bastard did terrible things to the Divas. You could see it in their eyes sometimes in promos from back then, I'm talking 2002-2010s. They looked scared or uncomfortable. Now I think we know why.

    • @joeynova9896
      @joeynova9896 6 місяців тому +9

      ​@@RedDragonM1 That's nice. I hear she was a really good person.

    • @9liveslie-cat-lie129
      @9liveslie-cat-lie129 6 місяців тому +9

      #justiceforMassaro

    • @otakuthegreat
      @otakuthegreat 6 місяців тому

      😭🥰​@@RedDragonM1

  • @graythaprince
    @graythaprince 7 місяців тому +697

    A Dark Side of The Ring episode on Vince would have to be an entire movie.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 7 місяців тому

      Vice already came out with a Nine Lives of Vince McMahon documentary at the end of 2022. It was made up almost entirely of Dark Side segments.

    • @spiritandtimeakalilroachie7014
      @spiritandtimeakalilroachie7014 7 місяців тому +52

      It'd be the same length as the entire Avatar movie series

    • @pimpharold1
      @pimpharold1 7 місяців тому +25

      It would be the same length of the whole avengers infinity war

    • @glennross85
      @glennross85 7 місяців тому +51

      His life story could def be a trilogy.
      Part 1. Early life and golden era
      Part 2. Steroid scandal, attitude era, benoit
      Part 3. Mediocre era and vinces downfall into depravity

    • @derekjones2835
      @derekjones2835 7 місяців тому +18

      More like an entire series.

  • @haiasieel6099
    @haiasieel6099 7 місяців тому +375

    Shout out to Paul, he called alot of this shit out over a DECADE ago.

    • @pendafen7405
      @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +48

      The canary in the coalmine, without a doubt. At least he got out alive and well, many like Ashley were not so lucky.

    • @srami004
      @srami004 7 місяців тому

      Tell me more please. What should I be looking up on UA-cam?

    • @haiasieel6099
      @haiasieel6099 7 місяців тому +4

      @@srami004 There was a whole slew of High spots shoot videos. Both Just Paul and with Kendrick. All awesome

    • @Youdoxxikill
      @Youdoxxikill 7 місяців тому +3

      ​@@pendafen7405down the rabbit hole I shall go
      I remember when she died but she was shortly after my time watching wrestling. Never looked into it

    • @siryoink4644
      @siryoink4644 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Youdoxxikillshort version she was assaulted on one of the tribute to the troops tours and they kept it quiet.

  • @V1LL1N
    @V1LL1N 7 місяців тому +538

    Much respect to Paul for reminding people that unless you been in a situation like this, you have no idea what it's actually like!

    • @CitizenofAucklandSilentAudits
      @CitizenofAucklandSilentAudits 7 місяців тому +6

      I’ve never worked at McDonald’s…

    • @MegaFinalRound
      @MegaFinalRound 7 місяців тому +25

      @@CitizenofAucklandSilentAuditsthen you can relate: you have no idea what working at a McDonald’s is actually like.

    • @whitemamba0089
      @whitemamba0089 7 місяців тому +22

      ​​@TheGOAT-hj6slsinkin? There doin the best they have on like a decade lol

    • @zakkmylde1712
      @zakkmylde1712 7 місяців тому +9

      ​@TheGOAT-hj6sl you can say what you just said in a lot fewer words, "I'm a moron" would have sufficed.

    • @RollTide24-7
      @RollTide24-7 7 місяців тому

      ​@@JoKiR90FACTS!

  • @mikegeiler2347
    @mikegeiler2347 7 місяців тому +142

    Good on Ronda for calling out Bruce for what he is

    • @chm9935
      @chm9935 7 місяців тому +8

      Shes right but its old news

  • @michaeltamul500
    @michaeltamul500 7 місяців тому +466

    I’m glad Bret has lived long enough to see all of this play out with the pendulum of public perception swinging back his way. He never stooped to the level of those around him, instead he moves forward with class and his dignity. Of all the people Vince abused, Bret may be the only one to have had the guts to stand up to him and punch him in the face.

    • @breno7950
      @breno7950 7 місяців тому +65

      Nailz 😊

    • @shanestephens4728
      @shanestephens4728 7 місяців тому +44

      Oof. I love Bret as well but just because he didn’t destroy his body with drugs doesn’t mean he was a paragon of virtue while on the road - if you’ve ever read Bret’s own book you’d know he was a philanderer of a high degree.

    • @Buckdawg
      @Buckdawg 7 місяців тому +34

      @@shanestephens4728 True. But at least he admitted it and made amends. All about maturity. Vince is and forever will be in the denial stage. Even when he's behind bars.

    • @nikobellic8627
      @nikobellic8627 7 місяців тому +9

      Brett screwed Brett

    • @fb7194
      @fb7194 7 місяців тому

      @@nikobellic8627🤡

  • @foxvalleybandvids
    @foxvalleybandvids 7 місяців тому +371

    If 10% of the allegations are true, this is catastrophic.

    • @theecharmingbilly
      @theecharmingbilly 7 місяців тому +14

      World keeps turning.

    • @al112v4
      @al112v4 7 місяців тому +57

      There's 30+ years of allegations against him. I'm 99,9% sure some of those are true.

    • @Kyush4
      @Kyush4 7 місяців тому +45

      I think this is the other way around, the allegations are 10% of It, debra/sable (cant remember which one) said if she wanted do go to court for every incident she would be in court every day
      If this is what we now in this day and age, imagine what we dont know from the 80s and 90s

    • @tmerchead1
      @tmerchead1 7 місяців тому +3

      @@al112v4 🤣

    • @C12omega
      @C12omega 7 місяців тому +21

      Vince had allegations since the 80s he did it

  • @michaellamb4001
    @michaellamb4001 7 місяців тому +301

    To people who called out Paul and Rene as just being bitter wrestlers who “never made it” and now call out the company, where are you now, they have been calling out this behaviour for years. Keep it up the great work fellas.

    • @paulkendrick4153
      @paulkendrick4153 7 місяців тому +8

      Doesn’t change the fact that they are still bitter and jealous 😊

    • @OpreRoma
      @OpreRoma 7 місяців тому

      ​@TheGOAT-hj6slyou're either gullible or disgusting

    • @previous_leon
      @previous_leon 7 місяців тому +21

      ​@@paulkendrick4153you would be too if you were screwd over or shit on 😅

    • @jonathancoleman6482
      @jonathancoleman6482 7 місяців тому +6

      They do sound bitter especially Paul London

    • @AngryDad.
      @AngryDad. 7 місяців тому +1

      They are just bitter still 😂

  • @michaelmartinez3893
    @michaelmartinez3893 7 місяців тому +224

    Man I miss Ashley, I was her biggest fan. Got to meet her three times. She was such a sweetheart. RIP.

    • @stevenmccann2891
      @stevenmccann2891 7 місяців тому +14

      Yeah, She was BEAUTIFUL!

    • @jessiegreen619
      @jessiegreen619 7 місяців тому +5

      I miss her too

    • @harijha7560
      @harijha7560 7 місяців тому

      ​@jessiegreen619 she was a jobber no one miss her she gone for good

    • @nickdoucette4301
      @nickdoucette4301 7 місяців тому +4

      Who tf Ashley?

    • @jinratgeist
      @jinratgeist 7 місяців тому +14

      Ashley Massaro. The woman in the thumbnail. Please watch the video. Paul London talks about her on the opening clip.

  • @maddhatter586
    @maddhatter586 7 місяців тому +67

    Im glad to see Paul having Ashley's back...... What she went through was terrible.
    R.I.P. Ashley 🤟🏼🤟🏼

    • @brandondane4777
      @brandondane4777 6 місяців тому +2

      What happened to her? The full story. ?

    • @stevebandit2668
      @stevebandit2668 6 місяців тому +3

      Why wouldnt he?? He loved that women

    • @1ZosoLZ
      @1ZosoLZ 6 місяців тому

      @@brandondane4777she was raped by US troops while they were doing a show for them overseas. she told Vince and he brushed it off

  • @cijmo
    @cijmo 7 місяців тому +159

    Vince, like all cult leaders, as Paul said, preys on making people think that they can't make it without him. They can't live without him so they'll do anything for him. Ashley was the first one I thought of.

    • @Hunkzilla
      @Hunkzilla 7 місяців тому +21

      It makes sense why he gets angry when wrestlers get over without being pushed by him. Case in point ; ZACK RYDER .
      The man is truly twisted

    • @thatgregguy
      @thatgregguy 7 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Hunkzillaman how the buried Zack Ryder...

    • @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
      @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@thatgregguyZack screwed Zack... for staying there.

    • @matthewtrauger3683
      @matthewtrauger3683 7 місяців тому +6

      You perfectly described every person that votes Republican or Democrat!!!!

    • @mjlmarc
      @mjlmarc 6 місяців тому

      He’s the devil

  • @VeronikaGama
    @VeronikaGama 7 місяців тому +79

    I know Vince doesn’t have too many years left in this world, but it would be nice if he spent the last of them with some serious consequences

    • @Kittynation589
      @Kittynation589 7 місяців тому +2

      He'll be forgotten

    • @jonathancoleman6482
      @jonathancoleman6482 7 місяців тому

      Vince will make it to 120

    • @kevinbrooks1104
      @kevinbrooks1104 7 місяців тому +9

      All I can say is if you have money, the rules are different. The only justice he will see, is possibly street justice.

    • @Billinois78
      @Billinois78 7 місяців тому +5

      @@Kittynation589 Unfortunately, his mark on professional wrestling is too big for him to be forgotten.

    • @darkseid6089
      @darkseid6089 7 місяців тому +4

      @@Kittynation589No, He won’t ya’ll will still be talking about him even after he’s in the grave so stop the cap.

  • @joe77750
    @joe77750 6 місяців тому +12

    Paul tried to warn us when he had that smile on his face before Mcmaon got 'blown up'

  • @thebruhnetwork
    @thebruhnetwork 7 місяців тому +243

    Justice for Ashley Massaro

    • @bigdaddyroy5382
      @bigdaddyroy5382 7 місяців тому +8

      U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said

    • @user-ih2tr7rt9r
      @user-ih2tr7rt9r 7 місяців тому

      ⁠@@bigdaddyroy5382 well just because she’s dead doesn’t mean anything for what she just said isn’t true it’s going to be proven true, and once it is true Vince gotta suffer the consequences and once he is guilty and get charge for whatever years in prison I hope Paul, London can find some peace and happiness that he doesn’t have to hear that guy doing anything to anybody ever again because he loves that fucking woman with heart she could’ve done so much for her life if she wanted to continue wrestling but it’s too bad that she’s gone now it was all because of this asshole who used her for money and took a vantage of her and treat her like shit and made her to go to work where she was clearly embarrass by the fact that Vince and all those US men raping her and all kinds of shit like that’s just fucked up like the audacity of some of these type of businessman is absolutely disgusting. It’s sickening to watch and I really hope after this Vince will go to hell where he always wanted to be and some of the victims won’t be hearing his name anymore

    • @harijha7560
      @harijha7560 7 місяців тому +5

      Justice for Vince McMahon

    • @FacundoBonetto
      @FacundoBonetto 7 місяців тому +9

      ​@@bigdaddyroy5382Ashley had many injuries because they never let her have proper training, she learned on her own and all just a few hours before the show started.

    • @OpreRoma
      @OpreRoma 7 місяців тому

      ​@@harijha7560please bathe with your toaster

  • @ChildsKilluminati
    @ChildsKilluminati 7 місяців тому +39

    Art imitates life Vince showed the world who he truly was with his on screen character, and we accepted it. That whole Vince and Trish Story line from 2001 tells a lot in hind sight…

    • @cancelculture9953
      @cancelculture9953 6 місяців тому +10

      And the rumors of him wanting an incestuous storyline with him and Stephanie.
      Take away all the allegations, Vince has been showing us he’s a monster on screen for decades.

    • @ChildsKilluminati
      @ChildsKilluminati 6 місяців тому +6

      @@cancelculture9953 Yes bro! that was wild and disrespectful to himself and Steph. For being one of the biggest names in the entertainment industry/ Wrestling Business to being place in the same category as R.Kelly Epstein and the rest of them is sad. But he always played the creep to well!

  • @user-vp8mu5fj7o
    @user-vp8mu5fj7o 7 місяців тому +139

    Justice for Ashley Massaro !!

    • @bigdaddyroy5382
      @bigdaddyroy5382 7 місяців тому +2

      U do realize what she claims was never proven. Personally from another statement she made she was upset that wrestling was painful. Paul was in love with that girl and probably still is, he's gunna believe anything she said

    • @harijha7560
      @harijha7560 7 місяців тому +4

      Justice for Vince McMahon

    • @chrisruth7057
      @chrisruth7057 7 місяців тому +10

      @@harijha7560 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Give me a break more like justice for Ashley Massaro Rita Chatterman & many others

    • @Buckdawg
      @Buckdawg 7 місяців тому

      @@bigdaddyroy5382 You're a f'n joke bro. A girl doesn't top herself from wrestling aches and pains. It's exactly that kind of attitude which causes things like that to happen. Disgusting comment, you should be ashamed.

    • @ritchiethomas7733
      @ritchiethomas7733 7 місяців тому +2

      Get the evidence first lol ffs 🤣 😂 🙄 😆

  • @Abel646
    @Abel646 7 місяців тому +71

    The Fact that Bruce Prichard and Michael Hayes are still there is wild to me

    • @TheCaptainSlappy
      @TheCaptainSlappy 7 місяців тому +12

      Be patient. You can't deconstruct Babylon overnight. Brick by brick. Labor intensive. I might not be able to get victims justice...but I might can get them revenge. I told Ryback (and everyone else) over 2 years ago how this game plays out. The machine grinds on. The cogs turn. It is what it is.

    • @Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living
      @Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living 7 місяців тому +8

      Trust me - the Artful Dodger and Doot-doot-doot are next.

    • @PhillipP93
      @PhillipP93 7 місяців тому

      For now. Personally, I can't wait for Michael Hayes to go, he's a racist POS.

    • @OneUltimateWarrior
      @OneUltimateWarrior 7 місяців тому +1

      Not for long.

    • @chm9935
      @chm9935 7 місяців тому +8

      I think wwe and tko are going to clean house very soon.

  • @davidirwin2176
    @davidirwin2176 7 місяців тому +37

    This was the most humane analysis of this situation I've heard yet, much respect guys!

  • @philzh7973
    @philzh7973 7 місяців тому +18

    Massive respect for Paul for keeping that same energy for all these years. And after hearing what happened with Ashley, I always kept a suspicion for Vince and his inner circle. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and the cloud that hung over Vince was like a California forest fire.

  • @ellemarr7234
    @ellemarr7234 6 місяців тому +10

    My heart hurts for beautiful Ashley Massaro. She was the first person to come to mind when this came to pass a couple weeks back. Justice for her and her daughter ❤

  • @TraciPeteyforlife
    @TraciPeteyforlife 6 місяців тому +15

    Justice for Ashley Marssaro and everyone else. Rest in peace Ashley. Paul is right, it's hard to deal with shit. That is so horrifying that you can barely make sense. It's why predators pray on compromised people. It's horrible.

  • @user-qy9ku7cj5v
    @user-qy9ku7cj5v 7 місяців тому +31

    None of this is surprising to me. If people remember there was a huge sex scandal with Vince and Pat Patterson back in the early 90s with ring boys and dirty ring announcers. It's all finally catching up to Vince and now all them Victim's are getting justice.

    • @Venemofthe888
      @Venemofthe888 7 місяців тому +6

      not to mention Sable's sexual harassment case in the late 90s

    • @maxpayne7312
      @maxpayne7312 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Venemofthe888then she came back years later after said harassment

    • @johngallagher72
      @johngallagher72 6 місяців тому +2

      Also Lisa Marie in the 80s ...she had many of claims similar to whats coming out today.

  • @james_the_animator
    @james_the_animator 7 місяців тому +64

    I can't imagine how betrayed and hurt the wrestlers must feel about these stories coming out now, much less the women who were abused. There is no punishment in this world that's adequate for Vince and Johnny Ace if their behavior truly fits this current lawsuit, which I have no doubt it does.

    • @arturorivera6173
      @arturorivera6173 7 місяців тому +4

      Define abuse

    • @AngryDad.
      @AngryDad. 7 місяців тому +2

      "Abused" 😂

    • @arturorivera6173
      @arturorivera6173 7 місяців тому +2

      @@AngryDad. it's the key word apparently 🤣

    • @rileychev
      @rileychev 7 місяців тому +7

      Abuse? Sexting and telling Vince her availabilities and receiving payments for 3 years.

    • @DissTrackTed
      @DissTrackTed 7 місяців тому

      Well...The Rock makes "jokes" about molesting and eating children, and hes friends with Oprah and her ties to John Of God. Then there are the Missing Maui children....I'm going to guess his wrestlers are just fine. They're all Satanists.

  • @digitalmarketinghumans
    @digitalmarketinghumans 7 місяців тому +24

    “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth”

  • @Rondondemarco
    @Rondondemarco 7 місяців тому +21

    Turns out that warrior was right about MANY things historically regarding vince, Hogan and the likes.

    • @doolbedolc
      @doolbedolc 6 місяців тому +7

      He was, and everyone said he was crazy.😂😂😂

    • @Rondondemarco
      @Rondondemarco 6 місяців тому +4

      @@doolbedolc exactly 💯. The one everyone calls crazy on their time usually becomes the truth teller after they perish. It's always like that.

  • @Buckdawg
    @Buckdawg 7 місяців тому +67

    Absolutely HORRIFIC what happened to Ashley. I never knew Paul dated her... Man, that all must have been so hard on him. I see you brother. I've always said we need justice for her... her story NEEDS to be told, and her soul needs to find peace. Another tragic result of McMahon's disgusting regime.
    Would be amazing to see signs with that very hashtag start popping up in the crowds... come on people, we can do this...
    #JUSTICEFORASHLEY

    • @maxpayne7312
      @maxpayne7312 7 місяців тому +1

      That’s a hard reach on that one and I’m sure most of todays audience don’t even know or care who Ashley was
      Honestly I don’t remember Ash at all, I just remember her name came up on the Ashley Madison website when it got hacked
      Other than that I don’t care to get involved in peoples personal lives not my style and plus I don’t care anyway, they deal with their shit I’ll deal with mine

    • @steve9473
      @steve9473 6 місяців тому +2

      Her death was so sudden we all knew there was a lot more to it than what was alluded. Vince is a pos who would hit on anything female. Ashley was a total babe and was working so hard to break in. Naturally , Vince saw an opportunity there like he sees like so many girls.

  • @GamingSaturnMoonManBoy
    @GamingSaturnMoonManBoy 7 місяців тому +196

    Protect Paul London at all costs

    • @XavierGage
      @XavierGage 7 місяців тому +16

      LOL he didn't even try to protect Ash.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 7 місяців тому +3

      But what about Matt Hardy? He had to have known too.

    • @Asshat237
      @Asshat237 7 місяців тому +17

      ​@@XavierGage Too bad you weren't there. You obviously would have brought down the powerful billionaire Vince.

    • @SuperAttitudeera
      @SuperAttitudeera 7 місяців тому +7

      Not really worth protecting because he has a douche side to him. I get his personal beef with Matt Hardy and Paul has his reasons not to get along with Matt. But there is an old video on YT (from 2010 probably) of Paul slandering, laughing and downright mocking Matt's weakened mental state when Matt spiraled and began using drugs and by then gone to a dark place in his mind. That was absolutely wrong of Paul to display that type of behavior, meanwhile on this channel he expressed support for Jeff Hardy to overcome his demons.

    • @stealthmode1303
      @stealthmode1303 7 місяців тому +4

      What happened to being a strong independent woman ? If Vince or anyone else was harassing her or worse, go to the authorities and or quit.

  • @apintofbeer1667
    @apintofbeer1667 6 місяців тому +10

    Jesse Ventura tried to form a wrestlers union to protect workers but Hulk Hogan ratted him out to Vince.

    • @CavinLee
      @CavinLee 6 місяців тому +4

      omg, Vince did Union Busting?!?!?!?!?! I believe it.

  • @DavidColeman-gn3mz
    @DavidColeman-gn3mz 7 місяців тому +51

    This sounds like the new Montreal Screw Job . But now Bret can say ""Vince Screwed Vince"". Vince was brought down not by others Promoters but by himself. True What goes around comes around.

    • @jasonanderson5034
      @jasonanderson5034 6 місяців тому

      stu hart screwed vince first he was selling stampede to vince but before he got paid he violated the agreement by working with a rival company .. vince never owned stampede from that deal stu went out of business over his own problems he couldn't afford to renew his license 4 years later he ran for 4 years after that all this talk about him not receiving dime makes no sense why would he get paid he didnt sell the company vince backed out of the deal .. its not like vince stole his company vince just decided not to buy it but the way its protrayed as if vincee stole his company and didnt pay him

  • @DaveBailey18
    @DaveBailey18 7 місяців тому +66

    I gotta be completely honest after seeing many others comment to say justice for Ashley Massaro. While it may seem like it, a big part of me is still hurt by her passing. This shit took away a really good person from Earth who I have missed so much nearly the past 5 years. I met her only once but I was close to not meet her at all as I flew to NYC for WrestleCon 6 weeks before her passing to finally meet her. For a while when I was still hurting really bad over her passing, I didn't watch any wrestling. I got back into it partly last year and became a fan of Rhea Ripley. I hope Vince rots in prison and burns in hell! RIP Ashley Massaro!

    • @philzh7973
      @philzh7973 7 місяців тому +3

      Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.

    • @philzh7973
      @philzh7973 7 місяців тому

      Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.

    • @philzh7973
      @philzh7973 7 місяців тому

      Man, growing up in that ruthless aggression era I can tell you she was one of the most over women on that roster. Yeah, she was a diva but she was cool she was awesome and she deserved better than what the WWE did to her. They all did, and I have massive respect for Paul London for keeping that same energy after all these years. And after hearing what happened with her, I always maintained a suspicion for Vince and his cronies. Whenever people bowed down and thanked Vince, I just couldn’t do it. There was always something eating at me in the background, and seeing the way he behaved and booked and treated people throughout the years, it was clear that there was a fire producing all the smoke that surrounded him.

    • @DaveBailey18
      @DaveBailey18 7 місяців тому

      @@philzh7973 I can tell you this much. I went to a RAW show in June of 2005 right before the second season of the Diva Search started. During the live show, they showed some of the contestants. The very second I saw Ashley, I fell in love. Now this shit with Vince. Just making me relive the pain I went through after her passing. I was sad back in 2019 but pissed off now much like on the day after Ashley's passing what did Stephanie McMahon tweet out on her Twitter? she paid tribute to Andre The Giant instead of paying respects to a former employee who just passed. Now I know why!

    • @maxpayne7312
      @maxpayne7312 7 місяців тому

      You are an emotional wreck, have you talked to your therapist lately?

  • @criticalbill2090
    @criticalbill2090 7 місяців тому +9

    I think its beautiful that Renee and Paul London have remained close friends after all these years. They`re both so grounded and refused to be sucked in by the shady WWE backstage mentality

  • @dedricklane4899
    @dedricklane4899 6 місяців тому +10

    R.I.P Owen Hart. Who’s really surprised here it’s Vince McMahon. I remember Trish stratus on all 4s barking, the live S*x celebration, HLA etc

  • @troylowe814
    @troylowe814 6 місяців тому +3

    I was told by more than one ex-WWF wrestler that Vince's go-to "boy toy" in the early to mid 90's was Tatanka.

  • @pendafen7405
    @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +73

    Poor, poor Ashley. She should still be with us. A sweet soul who deserved none of what happened to her. Evil hypercapitalists have been getting away with this for too long. Paul, Rene & James have clawed back a little bit of my respect for taking this seriously and condemning the perpetrators. Centring the victim(s) would be a good next step.

    • @StandWatie1862
      @StandWatie1862 7 місяців тому +9

      Commie.

    • @mycobrahatesyou
      @mycobrahatesyou 7 місяців тому +5

      Anyone with power. Including politicians and especially dictators like you wish we had instead. That would be worse.

    • @strnglhld
      @strnglhld 7 місяців тому +8

      @@StandWatie1862

    • @pendafen7405
      @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +7

      @@StandWatie1862 mate I'm literally British, what are you on about.

    • @StandWatie1862
      @StandWatie1862 7 місяців тому

      @@pendafen7405 Yeah I know. Limeys are domesticated creatures and need their bottoms powdered.

  • @pendafen7405
    @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +61

    8:35 exactly, thanks for understanding how predators pick their victims. These sharks smell vulnerability, innocence, wounding or emotional instability in the water, they know who to target. It's vile.

    • @yagotta2495
      @yagotta2495 7 місяців тому

      I don't get the point. Alot of women just want money and use sex to get it. Why not just use a willing party?

  • @Thathorrorguy12FU
    @Thathorrorguy12FU 7 місяців тому +51

    You just don't treat humans like that bro.

    • @cancelculture9953
      @cancelculture9953 6 місяців тому

      Yeah, I’ve been haunted by the idea of someone being forced to have sex with Vince and Johnny Ace with one of them saying No means Yes. Horrific stuff.

  • @ALuisaLamar
    @ALuisaLamar 7 місяців тому +13

    Gosh, I got goosebumps when he mentioned Ashley… These girls probably went through shit we wont ever even know about

  • @jaybeezy8259
    @jaybeezy8259 7 місяців тому +38

    You can tell Paul feels bad about all of the shit. There was nothing he could have done and it sucks to see him feel so guilty about it. Paul has been saying Vince,was a pig for years

    • @johngallagher72
      @johngallagher72 6 місяців тому +1

      it makes you wonder if the Ashley girl confided him ...his non verbal reaction indicates he might know more than he's letting on.

  • @NYKgjl10
    @NYKgjl10 7 місяців тому +7

    As a former Connecticut resident in years past, I've heard rumors on Vinny Mac going out with women that is not even his wife, Linda not on a few occasions, but many occasions and I find that pretty shady, knowing damn well he's a married man. Now, decades later, its coming all together but I feel that the victims should of spoke out earlier, but better late than never as the old saying goes.

  • @ahndaeoon9905
    @ahndaeoon9905 7 місяців тому +8

    If the Young Bucks had to scrub footage with Marty Scrull due to his situation, how is Netflix going to show the New Generation era, the Attitude era or the Ruthless Aggression era with Vince all over the place? None of us realize how big of a mess this will be.

    • @V-95K
      @V-95K 6 місяців тому +1

      They are not going to scrub any footage, otherwise just don’t post anything up until this point 🤷🏼‍♂️ unfortunately Vince is also part of history, he is not some dude in pro wrestling world, 80% of what pro wrestling is today, is all because of Vince

  • @Simouno
    @Simouno 7 місяців тому +15

    I think shit is about to hit the fan for WWE. if Vince is going down, he will drag everybody else with him and i think grim days are ahead for the company in terms of image because there's no way his inner circle didn't know about all of this

  • @bobsucks9647
    @bobsucks9647 6 місяців тому +7

    The NXIVM analogy was spot on

  • @NeroBorgata26
    @NeroBorgata26 7 місяців тому +51

    I’ve been saying Ashley Massaro for the last couple of weeks because she was raped and then she committed suicide a few years afterwards and there had to have been something with her in that company, other than an overseas trip and where that happened

  • @Low-Fi-SCOTT
    @Low-Fi-SCOTT 7 місяців тому +13

    No disrespect to any top guys that weren't involved in any of this, I'm not saying anyone doesn't deserve their spots, and I'm not saying you guys had bad careers by any means, but it's noticable in nearly every industry that people with integrity don't get the respect/pay/rank that they deserve

    • @ricardojuanlopeznaranjo6651
      @ricardojuanlopeznaranjo6651 7 місяців тому +4

      You are right. In every industry and in most countries, not only in the US. Integrity, honesty and good deeds tend to be punished.

  • @bxbomber85
    @bxbomber85 7 місяців тому +6

    Great insight from Paul on how Ms. Grant was most likely manipulated by someone with more money and power than she's ever known. The kind that can destroy you whether you stay or leave.

  • @TheChadTI
    @TheChadTI 7 місяців тому +10

    Ashley seemed like a good person. Justice from her grave. 🙏 The body of truth always floats to the top of the river, no matter how many cinderblocks you use.

  • @DjCp3o420
    @DjCp3o420 7 місяців тому +30

    Ashley was one of my favorite wrestlers at the time, super cool on screen personality.

    • @jonathancoleman6482
      @jonathancoleman6482 7 місяців тому

      All time how?

    • @maxpayne7312
      @maxpayne7312 7 місяців тому

      @@jonathancoleman6482He probably fapped to her in his younger days so that’s why she’s his all time favorite or he’s just telling people what they want to hear

  • @DoNotPassGO
    @DoNotPassGO 7 місяців тому +61

    If only Ashley were alive to finally see all these dominoes fall.

    • @pendafen7405
      @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +15

      Yes, hopefully somewhere her spirit or essence or whatever feels that the truth is finally out and justice may be done.

    • @DaveBailey18
      @DaveBailey18 7 місяців тому +2

      @@pendafen7405 For a long while after her passing I didn't watch any wrestling til I felt her spirt or something get to me last year that got me back into watching it partly and I became a Rhea Ripley fan out of it. I feel if Ashley was still alive she would be a fan of Rhea and after hearing Torrie Wilson say she's obsessed with Rhea. I am obsessed with Torrie!

  • @HOODIZM3
    @HOODIZM3 7 місяців тому +7

    Its amazing how a certain group faces consequences for their actions while those with money are rarely convicted or rarely see any accountability. The haves vs have nots.

  • @user-us5xz9zf8f
    @user-us5xz9zf8f 6 місяців тому +25

    Says a lot about undertaker always backing Vince

    • @moycorbin4750
      @moycorbin4750 6 місяців тому

      In the business don't try to cancel someone else

    • @neilsmith9066
      @neilsmith9066 6 місяців тому

      Sure does

  • @geneanthony3421
    @geneanthony3421 7 місяців тому +51

    This is what we know about Vince just in recent history:
    1. WWE was the only company who didn't cut ties with Saudi Arabia after killing a journalist.
    2. WWE was the only corporation that fired people during Covid while having record profits.
    3. Vince closed the XFL and stiffed multiple people after the fact from the XFL
    Vince has always been a garbage person. As far as the prostitutes, I can see Vince telling some of his top talent that he has some girls on retainer that are available to them as a bonus (especially since he never wants to let people leave the office). They probably didn't know how bad he was treating them. It's not like using prostitutes to entertain guests is a rarity among the rich.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 7 місяців тому +14

      No, WWE wasn't the only company to do those things under those circumstances. Complete falsehoods on your part.

    • @geneanthony3421
      @geneanthony3421 7 місяців тому +5

      @@quentinkaasa47 that’s what I was hearing at the time. Still scumbaggish one way or another.

    • @browserboy1984
      @browserboy1984 7 місяців тому +9

      You don't have to lie or exaggerate to make a point many people already agree with.

    • @geneanthony3421
      @geneanthony3421 7 місяців тому +2

      @@browserboy1984I wasn't lying or exaggerating, I was hearing some people report on it when it was happening. My mistake is that I never double checked it like I should have.

    • @nightowl7261
      @nightowl7261 7 місяців тому

      No business is gonna sanction xxxx country just because some random dude was killed.
      Business is all about money.
      Capitalism baby!!!!!!!!

  • @antimeta2472
    @antimeta2472 7 місяців тому +62

    Wasn't Vince abused as a child by his step-dad? He has never out right talk about sexual abuse but it is believed he was. The abused becomes the abuser. He claimed that one of his stepfathers, Leo Lupton, beat his mother and attacked him when he tried to protect her; he said of the experience, "It is unfortunate that [Lupton] died before I could kill him.

    • @DTA707
      @DTA707 7 місяців тому

      Vince did an interview with Playboy where he alludes to being sexually abused by his mother. I believe the stepfather was just physically abusive

    • @RainbowRoadCrashTest
      @RainbowRoadCrashTest 7 місяців тому

      Some psychologists I know, they have theorized that "Most narcissists are victims of narcissists themselves". Which I definitely believe there is some truth to it. No truer words said with "Becoming the man that you swore to destroy!", it's a vicious cycle.

    • @rzn2258
      @rzn2258 7 місяців тому

      Nooo.. he was abducted by Aliens.
      Get your facts straight

    • @potter3055
      @potter3055 7 місяців тому +9

      Thats not an excuse for what he has done for decades

    • @harijha7560
      @harijha7560 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@potter3055 all the allegations against him are false

  • @passwordrevealer-fy3fm
    @passwordrevealer-fy3fm 7 місяців тому +30

    Justice for Ashley Massaro!

  • @tomtalker2000
    @tomtalker2000 7 місяців тому +9

    Well if she did have "mental health" issues. And he took advantage of that. That's even worse for him in a trial setting.

    • @jasonanderson5034
      @jasonanderson5034 6 місяців тому

      a mentally ill person hurting a mentally ill person isnt any worse then a normal person hurting a normal person .. vince isnt normal if he was id agree with u but the man was raped by his mom and grew up poor then got all the power in the world man is insane it dosent justify it but this man is the way he is for a reason

  • @javier77th
    @javier77th 7 місяців тому +11

    I agree with Paul. No one will understand what being “groomed” is or entails, unless they have gone thru it themselves. I was also groomed as a child. Thankfully, it made me a better person and didn’t let it affect me in a negative way as an adult.

  • @JoeG2324
    @JoeG2324 7 місяців тому +45

    What a contrast between Vince SR and his son. WOW

    • @pendafen7405
      @pendafen7405 7 місяців тому +3

      Shane has never called his father out, though he's tried to walk away from him at various points. Hard to say how much Shane knew and let slide. His father's crimes aren't on him, though, he just may or may not have abetted them. My hope is that Shane is the good man we want and perceive him to be.

    • @RamiAbboud1
      @RamiAbboud1 7 місяців тому

      ​@@pendafen7405who is talking about Shane? Vince Jr. is the POS

    • @PhillipP93
      @PhillipP93 7 місяців тому +10

      ​@@pendafen7405He's talking about Vincent J. McMahon and Vincent K. McMahon.

    • @HighWoody
      @HighWoody 7 місяців тому +5

      Vince Sr always told Vince never get into the ring as a promoter.

    • @OneUltimateWarrior
      @OneUltimateWarrior 7 місяців тому +13

      If Vince Sr. knew what his son was going to do, he never would've sold the company to him.

  • @matthewmartinez4016
    @matthewmartinez4016 6 місяців тому +4

    Ashley was my favorite as a kid her death hit hard. Justice for Ashley

  • @HarveyTwoface-do5lo
    @HarveyTwoface-do5lo 7 місяців тому +11

    I hope ashley massaro gets her justice...

  • @AdreinMatthews
    @AdreinMatthews 7 місяців тому +7

    May the soul of Ashley Massaro find peace.

  • @Jokesterloki
    @Jokesterloki 7 місяців тому +5

    Years ago I heard the Ashley’s allegations, so 1 day I knew there was more that had to come out. RIP Ashley

  • @ssilva872
    @ssilva872 7 місяців тому +7

    Justice for Ashley (RIP) and all his other victims!

  • @mikael941
    @mikael941 7 місяців тому +8

    Thank you guys for keeping it real and not marking out like other shows.

  • @mohammadibnsoria1044
    @mohammadibnsoria1044 7 місяців тому +8

    It's crazy to even think of what happened before internet b and social media boomed like it did as to how the environment was in wrestling especially under Vince, scary stuff indeed

  • @Monkeysuncle123
    @Monkeysuncle123 7 місяців тому +7

    Years ago when Vince wanted to play the father of his daughters child in a story line, should have told people enough about Vince Mcweirdo!!!!

  • @DavidRodriguez-jn7sg
    @DavidRodriguez-jn7sg 6 місяців тому +2

    I never forgot the story you guys told when I heard it a few years ago. It was credible, but I was not sure. I'm sad to hear it's true. Thanks for trying to tell everyone.

  • @stewartjames
    @stewartjames 6 місяців тому +2

    vince has to be jailed for the end of his life justice for ashley

  • @REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K
    @REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K 7 місяців тому +16

    RIP ASHLEY MASSARO !

    • @Buckdawg
      @Buckdawg 7 місяців тому +1

      she will... when she gets justice.

    • @REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K
      @REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K 6 місяців тому

      your comment is useless @@Buckdawg

  • @moaziz23
    @moaziz23 7 місяців тому +13

    Damn Karma truly is a bitch…Vince screwed a lot of people, literally and metaphorically. It is all coming back to haunt him now.

  • @Deadite1982
    @Deadite1982 7 місяців тому +4

    Paul. My respect for him grows everyday. Between this and the podcast on Ashley Massaro thanks for speaking out.

  • @DerptyDerptyDUM
    @DerptyDerptyDUM 6 місяців тому +2

    "I don't have to prove shit. It will come out."
    Just wanted to say that Paul is an absalute unequivocal badass. Respect, sir. You seem like a genuinely good dude. 🤘

  • @kiltedcripple
    @kiltedcripple 6 місяців тому +1

    It feels very telling that no one I've heard yet from within the business seems very surprised, nor incredulous

  • @BrianOBrien5150
    @BrianOBrien5150 7 місяців тому +5

    I f'n love this podcast. Rene and Paul are so good together. And yes. Rene, Paul and everyone else that has spoken out against their experience with McMahon and company are validated.

  • @pyroblaze13
    @pyroblaze13 7 місяців тому +9

    Vince may have some involvement in Owen’s death. It’s possible. 🤔

    • @ScottyBugler2005
      @ScottyBugler2005 6 місяців тому

      I’ve been saying that for years since Owen died. Was he murdered and it was made to look like an accident? All I know is Vinnie Mac is one shady ass bastard. He needs to get his comeuppance. The sooner the better. He’ll definitely be burning in hell when he’s gone. On his grave should be written Rest In Pieces. Or Rot In Purgatory.

  • @chriswills936
    @chriswills936 7 місяців тому +5

    I love who many guys are like "yea, we all knew". And said nothing

  • @Traceford285
    @Traceford285 6 місяців тому +2

    Bless and LOVE for Paul London

  • @dagarob_c
    @dagarob_c 7 місяців тому +21

    A billionaire who had a weird and messed up childhood especially by his Mom I hear. No excuses for his actions and TKO is gonna have to prepare and find a ways to disassociate the name Vince Mcmahon. I believe there will be more names as Paul London said and this could be a messy future into the making of more years to come. As much HHH in the scrum said lets concentrate on the positive, WWE and the name Mcmahon is for life.

    • @Jay-sy5yf
      @Jay-sy5yf 7 місяців тому

      4 Life!

    • @Buckdawg
      @Buckdawg 7 місяців тому

      HHH was a fool for claiming ignorance.. everyone knew at that point he was full of shit.. I see why he did it.. but right now, more lies and dishonesty isn't what is needed. Just makes it look like there's more being covered up.

  • @MemorablePopCulture
    @MemorablePopCulture 7 місяців тому +3

    I believe there are many divas from the attitude era who experienced a similar experience. It’s not easy to come out because they all have families, and children. It’s embarrassing and it may ruin family peace. Let’s hope these others are strong enough.

  • @apexstrength3797
    @apexstrength3797 6 місяців тому +2

    Paul gets the last smile hahaha

  • @senor_mandella
    @senor_mandella 6 місяців тому +2

    There is no wwe without the McMahons.......now lets call it something else

  • @jamesstewart8377
    @jamesstewart8377 7 місяців тому +4

    The Trish Stratus Linda McMahon angle just feels wrong now.

  • @ishmael802
    @ishmael802 7 місяців тому +9

    Cafe De Rene were the first podcast with a former employee to actually touch this subject imo. Cafe needs more respect for being so candid.

  • @ricandogg619jasonreyes8
    @ricandogg619jasonreyes8 6 місяців тому +6

    R.I.P. Ashley

  • @DavidMartinez-pg3zq
    @DavidMartinez-pg3zq 6 місяців тому +2

    I heard Vince didn't pay stew because Bruce Hart ran a small spot show which Vince considered breach of contract. Still pretty crappy of Vince since it wasn't Stu that ran it.

  • @artdjesus6267
    @artdjesus6267 7 місяців тому +4

    I wonder if someone's gonna surface some dirt on JBL too.

    • @artdjesus6267
      @artdjesus6267 7 місяців тому

      @@TokyoConvertible01 Yes but nothing of this caliber. I hope we get some soon enough to get him in prison

    • @Felix-rv5qm
      @Felix-rv5qm 6 місяців тому

      ​@@artdjesus6267wtf are you talking about?

    • @artdjesus6267
      @artdjesus6267 6 місяців тому

      @@Felix-rv5qm JBL is known for his bullying antics and groping some of the men in shower rooms.
      I hope someone takes legal action on him too one day

  • @HOODKINGSofficial
    @HOODKINGSofficial 7 місяців тому +10

    There was always a rumor years ago of Jacqueline Moore doin certain favors for vince and in return him giving her a title run 🤔, I doubt she'll come forward when she in the HOF and was women's Champ

    • @ducklife420
      @ducklife420 7 місяців тому +5

      it was jerry lawler who made her do favors

    • @HOODKINGSofficial
      @HOODKINGSofficial 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@ducklife420yeah I heard that to, including kurt angle being bunk buddies with her, but I read many times vince name also brought up with having some interactions with her

    • @ducklife420
      @ducklife420 7 місяців тому +7

      @@HOODKINGSofficial all i know is new jack told me he wanted to beat up jerry lawler and jerry jarrett for how they treated jacqueline

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 7 місяців тому +2

      She allegedly followed Jeff Jarrett around to every promotion he went.

    • @saneranamha
      @saneranamha 7 місяців тому

      Totally bogus. Jacqueline wouldn’t have to do that. She was a seasoned veteran who had credible combat experience in real life and only trained with men. these are rumors Jacqueline was always said to be a leader of the women’s locker room

  • @alfonzo9389
    @alfonzo9389 6 місяців тому +2

    Anytime I think of Paul London I think of him fully bearded smiling before Vince McMahon got into that exploding limo lol

  • @norneva775
    @norneva775 6 місяців тому +2

    It was well known after the facts have came out. Vince telling people, bragging, showing pics and videos, Johnny Boy as well. Believe me TKO knew pre acquisition about it as well. When you do business in the billions you open every closet and then some

  • @Thatdeal79
    @Thatdeal79 7 місяців тому +11

    Paul got fired by Vince for smiling on camera. You know that firing hasn’t aged well in his mind knowing all the things Vince has been accused of.

    • @tomtheslipknotfan
      @tomtheslipknotfan 6 місяців тому

      This actually isn’t true and has been confirmed by Paul himself

    • @Thatdeal79
      @Thatdeal79 6 місяців тому

      I just looked it up I stand corrected. I guess it was one of those wrestling myths which was never fully corrected to the masses.

  • @amg4150
    @amg4150 7 місяців тому +3

    Ashley came across as a sweet heart. Rest in peace to her! 😢

  • @alanmacdonald1457
    @alanmacdonald1457 7 місяців тому +2

    its great to see so many people know about the ashley massaro situation
    it needs more coverage

  • @jvac1129
    @jvac1129 7 місяців тому +7

    Vince has wronged so many people, and worse yet, he's got a shit ton of enemies. He's a dead man walking.

  • @johnnygavin3654
    @johnnygavin3654 7 місяців тому +7

    If he covered up the ring boy scandal you think he won't try covering this? He's a seedy guy.

    • @tonyjones1560
      @tonyjones1560 7 місяців тому

      Good point. If he was willing to cover up (allegedly!) a scandal that he didn’t participate in directly, what would he do (allegedly) with something like this!?

  • @marcosqueo1000
    @marcosqueo1000 7 місяців тому +8

    The crazy part is some wwe fans probly think Vince is innocent

    • @someguy7424
      @someguy7424 7 місяців тому +2

      His defenders don’t say “he didn’t do what he is accused of”, but “so what if he did?” which is even worse.

    • @BigBadJerryRogers
      @BigBadJerryRogers 7 місяців тому

      ​@@someguy7424lots of women haters coming out to show how little they care, they see men who are billionaires and have everything and it's still not enough, as the victims

    • @itsmequeenbee235
      @itsmequeenbee235 7 місяців тому

      it's true. There's a dude who has a yt video called "Vince is a victim."and nobody seemed to care

  • @firstinstinct420
    @firstinstinct420 6 місяців тому +1

    R.I.P, to the legendary Ashley. 👑 🌹

  • @tmoneyofficial1
    @tmoneyofficial1 6 місяців тому +2

    140K views !!!! The cafe finally getting that exposure

  • @kyledamron
    @kyledamron 7 місяців тому +8

    I couldn't agree more with Paul and Rene. I stopped watching WWE years ago because I couldn't support Vince Mcmahon's shady business dealings. I won't watch until that family is completely gone from the company

  • @billberka2646
    @billberka2646 7 місяців тому +3

    This makes Nailz even more of a hero for kicking his ass!!

  • @bryanjames7528
    @bryanjames7528 7 місяців тому +2

    Can't really have the nostalgia when i see old videos of WWE. Makes me wonder which of my childhood heroes were/mightve been part of these heinous acts.

  • @JLPayne_78
    @JLPayne_78 7 місяців тому +14

    Even if she did put herself in that situation that doesn't excuse the men who took advantage of the opportunity to abuse her. It still makes them scumbags.

    • @jaybee4288
      @jaybee4288 7 місяців тому

      @JLPayne_78 Scumbags yes. Legally wrong? Probably not. She sent Vince McMahon text messages calling him baby and saying she was looking forward to sleeping with him. Can’t help but think she knew exactly what she was doing. Is it even particularly scumbag if you’re led to believe the other person is happy with your private behaviour?

    • @onigames7309
      @onigames7309 7 місяців тому

      People like Devante Rackley don't think so, unfortunately.