Lords Of Chaos - Movie Review
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2019
- Today I’m giving my comments on the Lords Of Chaos movie. The film loosely based on the book of the same name. We’ve known it was coming for years and, now that it’s here, let’s discuss how we felt about it.
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Spoilers ahead: Fenriz dies, Euronymous goes to prison and Varg hides in a cabin eating mushrooms and smoking weed
So was the scene with Abbath buying seven pounds worth of gummy worms cut out of the movie?
what about varg killing dimebag??? they completely missed that
I want to see the part where Necrobutcher hangs out with Enslaved and Satyr and pilot 5 large robot lions and fight Godzilla and Kmart.
But what the fuck
Lol varg hates weed doesn't do drugs so that's funny as fuck
if I wanted to watch a comedy based on mayhem. I would have hired tommy wiseau as Euronomous
"Oh hi, Varg."
“I didnt kill him, i didnt, i DID NAUUUUGHT...”
It seems to me like you are the expert Euronymous!
I would pay to see that.
You're tearing me apart!!!!!!
Movie is like an unintentional parody.
I think it was intentional.
SSMH The problem is that the real people were absolutely nothing like what the movies describes them, not that movie shows them goofing off. I am not in a mood to dissect the film, but these people weren’t rock’n’roll “let’s have fun” people and the characterization of all the major characters is ridiculous and as far removed from the truth as possible esp. Euronymous,, Varg and Dead.
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I agree with 2 of these points. A lot of time it felt like a parody of metal and metal fans, but not intentionally. I thought the guy who played Varg was good but English speaking made it feel a little less authentic. On top of that, the movie went for dumb traditional horror tropes and over the top gore when in actually the story itself is dark enough to carry the tale
You say this like you think the reality was super-serious or something.
This movie had the most realistic stabbing scene in history of cinema. More realistic than the opening scene in Goodfellas
Watch a movie called " Bully"
Also based on true events from Florida.
This movie is super brutal
Lets burn some cinemas.
Actually a good idea
lmao
I'm down! Let's do it for Varg!
LMAO!
That would be a waste of fire.
Edgelords of Chaos
Wait you don't think people in the metal scene say things like "MAYYYYHAAAAM!!!!" in dorky voices? Have you never seen a band introduce themselves or a kvlt kiddie?
Hahaha! Yeah, I'm talking about general conversation.
That's more an American (or at-least foreign) thing in my experience. I've never seen a metal fan here in Norway really do that stuff, least of all a black metal fan. Like, one of the quintessential Norwegian metal-fandom experiences for me was at the concert of some American band (can't remember which), just watching the vocalist get more and more frustrated and confused by the audience's complete and utter refusal to create a moshpit.
"I hate speed and thrash metal" -Rory as Euronymous
Shop has Sodom, Metallica and Motorhead vinyls throughout it.
it sells bro, thats why lol
Well SODOM’s Early albums were Black Metal heavily influenced by Venom and Bathory then transitioned into Thrash . Plus Euronymous was a huge walking Contradiction .
His record label is named after a sodom song called deathlike silence
Dude, there were literally two BM albums at the time.
Actually, from everything I've heard about Euronymous, he hated most death metal (save maybe Morbid Angel, Deicide, and Merciless) and stuff like grindcore, hardcore, and pretty much all "90s metal". He was more into 80s thrash and had huge collections of it. In fact, Mirai from Sigh got along with him because of this and that they pretty much had the same taste.
So pretty much he hated everything about modern metal and the trendy mosh culture and political attitude. He wanted to bring back the whole Satanic theatrical atmospheric attitude of the early 80s.
This is the story Aarseth's parents tell their friends over dinner.
😂😂😂 right? And i agree with Myke.... Dead's portrayal was the most accurate in the film.
Also btw Jack Kilmer is a fan of black metal and was before he played Dead... All in all the character acting was good... For an inaccurate film.
The thing you said about Dead's characterization and suicide being perfect isn't true, it's the same old myth. A person isn't their disease, and that portrayal really dehumanized him. No character depth. In Sweden, he was seen as fun, bossy, creative etc., but he BECAME depressed in Norway. He wasn't depressed from the start. The fact that Euro made false promises about how great Mayhem would become really took the fight out of him, and after the failed tour, the band fell apart and Dead's purpose in life, his music, went away. The guys in Mayhem had a lot to do with him getting more depressed as well. They bullied and pushed him to commit suicide, especially Euro. If he didn't make the coffee right, they'd tell him to go kill himself. Euro fired the shotgun into the woods when Dead tried to sleep there because the constant arguments with him became too much. The others started spending more time with their families or girlfriends and away from the house, and Dead, who had no one and lived in the middle of nowhere without a phone or even money to keep sending letters, got isolated and started worshipping thoughts of death and "Transylvania" (he believed in the afterlife - in Transylvania). And in the end, Varg wasn't the villain and Euro the hero (at all). Euro was first jealous of Dead, pushed him to die, and then of Varg. The characterization was all in all terrible.
I hear you...but all that stuff you're talking about doesn't take away from the suicide scene. Which is all I commented on. I didn't say anything about his character while he was in Sweden. But, clearly, he was troubled before he came to Norway. I've read that in many places. Yes, he got worse while in Norway. I didn't dispute that. I simply said that the scene was what I would expect from his suicide.
@@mykectown Oh, I didn't meant that you claimed otherwise. I just meant the movie fuels the "crazy madman" myth rather than give an accurate portrayal of his depression. He was troubled in Sweden but had plenty of good friends and family around him, and he was known to attend parties and was considered a fun and caring person. Øystein wanted him to die, more or less. Necro said in a Norwegian interview he and the other guys would tell him to go kill himself if he messed up the coffee or stupid little things like that because they were "too young to understand".I also disagree with parts of the suicide scene, but mostly the fact that they give him so little screen time and he just seems like he's destined to die because he's such a depressed weirdo. Flat character. But that is nitpicking as the movie clearly isn't historically accurate :')
The suicide scene was complety wrong aswell. It was even more brutal. Ive been in that room a couple of years ago. Eerie feeling.
@@stefanrydehed5381 I'm of the impression he slit his wrists and throat in the woods outside the house, and that he was happy about going to "Transylvania" (the afterlife). The movie just made him so flat. Out of the three, Varg, Euro and him, he's the most interesting to me. He wasn't a narcissist just obsessed with his work. They could and should have done more with the actual material, rather than make up stupid stuff about Varg. Guess they didn't want to tell the true tale of a Nazi and romanticize Øystein instead, which left me with a funny feeling. Øystein played a big part in Dead's suicide (which the movie failed to illustrate). He doesn't deserve to be the antihero of anything.
@@theresevontodderud3901 Yes, he sid that first. It is written in the suicide letter.
But what I found most intriging was the lyrics of Life Eternal and his search for the grimoire De Mysteriis Domine Satane.
The film could do so much more of the characters and the events that happened. I ended up doing two documentaries about the band.
The Euronymous stabbing scene was actually incredibly realistic. When people are stabbed in real life, the body becomes almost super-human and will do everything in its power to stay alive. Our bodies are programmed to survive. It’s not like in horror films where someone gets stabbed once and falls over dead. That just doesn’t happen. All in all, the scene was very disturbing,
I mostly liked the movie, but how they portrayed Varg was pretty ridiculous and took away from the viewing experience.
Agreed it wasnt a correct portrayal
All I got from this movie is that the director was hell bent on making varg look bad. That's it. It was a pointless movie. You nailed it on your review.
@D. Rüesch And not to mention make Euronymous look like a weak little shit. If you go To Varg's channel "Thuleanperspective", you can actually hear himself explain that Euronymous was anything but a weak little shit and fought until the end during his failed murder attempt on varg.
Nathan M so we’re really gonna believe a neo nazi murderer who changed his story multiple times lol ok then
Breeze Mccaig - He’s a neo-Nazi.
Markus Sarén was he was into death metal gotta expect him to be super edgy
Siberian Metanoia He didn’t change the story once the only things that changed where his convictions, Varg might be a tard but he was at least able to stay consistent on his take of the story not to mention other members of the scene at the time also back up his claims.The only retarded thing he did was confessing to manslaughter in court since even if Eurononymous was going to reach for a knife and was running from Varg the mere fact he stabbed him in the head while he was running makes it manslaughter.But at the end he got convicted of murder and of church burnings (which he most likely did do) he served like 15 to 20 years and now he is just a hermit living in France.
9:29 “I wasn’t there and neither were you”
fenriz is secretly watching and you just made him cry. Good job myke smh 😤😤😤
Ha.
In all seriousness Fenriz complains about nothing, neither the book or movie focus on Darkthrone beyond mentioning them for context. Both mediums focus on Mayhem and what went down between Euronymous and Varg.
TheSlayFer Ch. T. he was in the movie he just was really far away in each shot so u had to look real close
@@No1WillMakeItOutAlive yes, he's basically a cameo because he has to be there.
My biggest thing with the movie is how there was no mention of emperor or darkthrone I enjoyed the movie very much because I went in with VERY VERY low expectations so I enjoyed it
Before watching, I see the Dawn shirt, and so I know you'll be on the right side of this.
NintenDad Hahaha! I hope I was!
@@mykectown You got a big fat thumbs up from me.
fuck yes
That was my first thought too. I was thinking : "Dawn? That's interesting. You don't see that a lot so this will likely be a more informed opinion." I even logged in for once to give a thumbs up ;) As for the movie. This confirmed my impression from the trailer. I'll have a look at the rest of the channel.
about being stabbed: you'd be surprised what a person would do when adrenaline is up.
Alright.. I went and saw it in a theater (the type of people there for it was exactly what I expected) with a few friends. I gotta say, as a movie, its pretty good. The church burnings looked great, the gore was good, the details of all the locations, what they are wearing and even the stickers on the guitars looked extremely accurate. Plus, it was cool seeing Attila's son play him. Accuracy as to what actually happened? Holy fuck. Yeah, I wasn't there, but considering how there isn't too many people who remember Euronymous fondly (his own band members for example), I gotta say, I was annoyed with how they made him out to be some innocent kid. They went WAY too far to make Varg out to be some sort of timid, bullied dork that later becomes the bully. I don't agree with Varg on a lot of things, but this was one of the worst cases of character assassination I've seen in a movie. It was enjoyable as a made up, bullshit movie, but the story and the portrayal of Varg nearly sucked all enjoyment out for me.
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They did really make Varg out to be super bad. However they didnt show Euro to be super innocent either , they do show how much of a prick he was towards Varg and his band mates , how Euro was trying to put up this hardcore black metal persona and his overwhelming pride, how he stole things from Varg and others , shows how he dealt with the profits and him trying to screw over Varg. Not that it was right for what Varg did , but they depicted Euro as a catalyst to his own destruction in my opinion.
CountBlagorath well... it’s like the tag line at the beginning of the movie says. This movie is based on truth, based on lies, and what really happened. Meaning, it’s a he said, she said narrative with only police forensic investigation to go on as the absolute truth. And even then... nobody knows for certain.
And who gives a shit if they painted Varg the way they did. He’s an asshole.
Jeremy Rios that’s actually what I got too... as character development goes, it’s as though Varg is sealing his own fate leading up to the climax. Coupled with his own paranoia, you see him as a character understanding his mistakes at the bloody end. It’s sad... but he died by the decisions he made in life.
Yeah it's actually a really solid movie. The problem I think most people have about it is it's supposedly a true story yet is almost completely fictional, which is fine if you know the story and can seperate the two but if this is your introduction to it could really give you the wrong idea and that doesn't sit well with people. I think if this had been a fictional story about a fictional genre of music not a soul would have cared but it isn't so it's an issue.
*Varg has left the cinema*
Jack Kilmer really is a black metal fan.
Varg put out a video recently where he stated that Euronymous only said “that’s enough” during the stabbing and he thought no it’s not. Varg also said he never stopped to drink any chocolate milk.
Varg isn't a good source for information on this. The guy stabbed an unarmed man in the back, he now tries to lie and come up with excuses for his behavior.
@TeapotMullah He has to lie to cover up the fact that literally stabbing an unarmed man in the back is really cowardly, so he made up several different lies to cover for it
@TeapotMullah No shit he stabbed him 23 times, 16 of which were in the back. Stabbing someone in the back, particularly when they are unarmed, IS COWARDLY
@TeapotMullah PS I don't murder people so your internet tough guy advice is fucking dumb
He also said there was never any girl
I did read that Varg did go to raves to get laid, but he was still a dork in many ways lol
Varg mantains that he did not sleep around. Though his daughter came from somewhere. Who knows whats true. Who said varg went to raves?
For what it's worth: I got stabbed 6 times a couple years back. I didn't even realise at first, thought I'd just been punched Really hard. Then I noticed my stomach and side were bleeding. About 5 minutes later 2 guys came up and told me I had 2 more stab wounds in my back!
luckily all were flesh wounds - one of them was 1cm from my spine so I was almost paralysed.
What happened to the person who stabbed you
******SPOILERS******
I agree with your point that the movie emphasized comedy too much. It made the really visceral and disturbing murder sequences feel almost out of place. Comedy doesn't have to be silly. A better director could have incorporated comedy into the dark atmosphere without having the two cancel each other out.
They tried to form an arc around Euronymous's relationship with Dead, but the reality of how he treated him was not as "best friends," like the film made it out to be. Beyond the allegations that he encouraged Dead's suicidal behavior and the fairly obvious fact he capitalized on it, Mayhem members have said that their relationship was unhealthy and hostile. Euronymous definitely never stopped to ask if Dead was alright, which would explain why he reacted how he did when he found the body. I think they didn't want him to look like too much of an asshole, but having him go from "oh no my friend killed himself and I'm so shocked and appalled" to "where's my camera" in literally seconds was incredibly weird.
As for Varg, they simultaneously captured and destroyed his persona. I love the scenes where everyone else is "raising hell" and partying and he's just sitting there wishing he was reading or playing D&D. But because he had a more traditional, straight-laced lifestyle, having him screwing groupies all the time made no sense. He has said numerous times that he AVOIDED that kind of thing, but I guess sex is the only thing people associate with popularity. It would have been better for posers to come to "the man behind Burzum" and get told off by him. That also would have worked a lot better as a contrast to his introduction, where Euronymous rebukes him for his Scorpions patch.
He was also never a Christian. He was sucked into nationalism and paganism way before he got involved in the metal scene. I'm not saying he was this mad genius... as he was a dumb kid just like the rest of them... but having him transform into a scene bully seems antithetical to who he was. He as a nerd with a chip on his shoulder. Having him taunt Euronymous while he killed him didn't make much sense. I get that what he did was wrong, but you don't have to be that on the nose about it. On all accounts, the killing seemed driven by paranoia, not power.
Just my two sense.
Man, I agree with every word you said. But especially this "A better director could have incorporated comedy into the dark atmosphere without having the two cancel each other out."
How can you character assassinate a guy who's a piece of shit in real life?
TheSlayFer Ch. T. By not portraying him in an accurate way. It’s like the director went out of his way to make Varg look like a pussy, idiot and psychopath in two hours. It was like a meal that didn’t fit together.
Faust has said that he believed Euronymous sensationalized Dead’s death as a way of coping with his grief. Hes said he thought he shoved dead in everyones face in order to make sure everyone remembered him. I think the scenes were he breaks down about it were unnecessary, because it should be left ambiguous.
Max Hellman I had no idea why the actor playing Varg reacted as he did in the different scenes. Something would happen and they would cut to Varg and he might be smiling or scowling but it didn't seem to follow. I didn't know what his problem was when they were partying, but that makes sense, he just wasn't the type.
This new Lord's of Chaos movie, it's uhhhh..... NOT GOOD
I watched the movie after making this meme comment. It's honestly a pretty entertaining movie, it's just not really accurate to real history. The way they portrayed Varg as this stud who got laid left and right was hilarious.
*[E X P L O S I O N]*
Deads suicide in this film was deeply disturbing to me. It was so raw, dark, and filled with sadness... I loved this film. It may not have been the most historically accurate, but it had me. And the violence?? Oh, the violence in this film was the most convincing I've ever seen, as in the acts. It moved me to my core...
@Nature Revenge I'm 37, I've seen more than most
@Nature Revenge I think it struck close 2 home because I lost someone close to suicide. Also, it was highly disturbing, all the cutting?? U would need 2 b made of stone for that not to effect u
Wait was Varg played by a Jewish actor? I bet he loved that.
He comments on that on his youtube channel. He refuses to watch the movie because he read the script that he was sent and thought it was highly inaccurate and told the filmmakers they did not have his permission to use his character. They probably found a jewish actor to play him just to spite him because they know he is racist.
@@sigvaldithor the actor who plays varg is really bad. It's like they went out and found the worst actor possible just to fuck with him.
@@sigvaldithor But...the americans preach that jews are white?
Yep, a fat Jew in vargs words
I approve of trolling Louis Cachet, he's a shit stain, it doesn't matter if his character is accurate. If it makes him mad, good. He's of no use to the world.
Where can I buy that Dawn shirt my dude?
I agree with them making Varg way too much of a dork almost to the point of being spiteful. They downplayed a lot of the extreme racism and homophobia that is very prominent in the Michael Moynihan book that the movie was inspired by.
Speaking of that book, there are some chapters that really did go into Euronymous being more of a poser and pushing the extreme ideas in order to sell more records as well as people complaining that Varg fucked everything that moved. How accurate that is no one knows since literally everyone in featured in the book has come out and said none of it is true.
The movie not getting the rights for Burzum or Emperor really did make it so they had to gloss over a lot of story critical developments making the music feel like an afterthought instead of the main driving force. As much as Varg and Euronymous were assholes in real life there was no arguing their massive musical talent which felt ignored.
Personally.... I always thought the concept of “true Norwegian black metal” was something of a cartoon. Or at least, when I became old enough to understand that it was only something that intrigued me as a kid. The older I got, the more a joke it became. And I fucking love darkthrone to this day!!! Still... as silly as it was, I wasn’t surprised to see a movie portray it with just as much silliness. Having said that, I like it a lot. TRVE KVLT kiddies be dammed.
Its not about being true kvlt. But the movie is full of lies. Varg spoke about the movie
I get the 'cartoon' point. The media exaggerated and framed things in a certain way for profit. On the other hand, having been in the scene as a musician, there was definitely a serious aspect too. A certain vibe, and I think that many felt like they were part of something authentic. I also knew other musicians (some more known) who definitely took it seriously. Some beyond their band. For what it's worth, my personal perspective is that reality was less silly than the movie seems to portray but not exactly like the media image either.
Varg, two questions if you don’t mind:
1) do you approve the book “The Death Archives: Mayhem 1984 - 1994” by Jorn Stubberud.
2) are you considering to write your own book regarding your time in the Black Metal scene, Burzum, Euronymous, and life after those events?
BTW; your last two Burzum albums are magnificent.
I went into it knowing very little about the genre besides the story and it left me wanting to get nerdy and find out more
Funniest thing was. The guy who played Varg was Jewish. Varg is European Pagan.😆😆
That's awesome.
Don't think for a second that was unintentional.
@Bobby Danger What would you call a "pagan in the traditional sense"?
@Bobby Danger Give an example of Varg's ideas being "selfish"
I personally really liked this movie, by far one of my favorites. I found euronymuseses death scene is fantastic. It was dark, extended and honestly realistic. I found this movie to be a masterpiece, although it wasn’t on point, it’s almost impossible to truly portray the true events, especially because a lot of it was hidden to the public eye. Although it was pretty cheesy, the comparison between the real people is awesome, it’s well shot and the acting is great.
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Where'd you get that Dawn shirt bro? Is it official?
Yeah the darkthrone thing got me too, and idk i wish they talked about deathcrush a bit but ehh still awesome
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yeah his acting was horrible. the rest did a good job.
His reflection upon his acting was the most shallow thing I've ever heard. All he took from Varg was this "strut" he was supposedly doing. He didn't go into detail about personality or characteristics or belief, all he talked about was the "strut". He even admited that he didn't bother to watch Varg's vlog because "he's changed so much". How is this guy even an actor?
His stupid laugh lmao
@@deidara_8598 crab walk?
Hey Myke, sorry if this was asked and answered before but did you get a chance to watch Denzel Curry's cover of Bulls on Parade by Rage Against the Machine? Would love to hear your thoughts on it. I thought it was brilliant and in some aspects even better than the original. Would love to see Denzel veer more into rock/metal stuff.
This is showing in Portland this weekend I was thinking about going. I got nothing better to do. Should I bother?
Lords of Character Murder
1. The scene with dead killing himself, wasnt the night after the gig. You can see the scars on his arms had healed
2. Varg used a small pocket knife that locked to kill Euronymous. Varg stabbed him 23 times, from the apartment, down 3 stories of stairs before he killed him by stabbing him in the head. Jonas said in real life, the murder was much much longer and more brutal. They only show them go down one story of stairs in the movie. The murder of the gay man was worse in real life too, 37 stabs. Faust came back after hearing him gurgle and kicked him to death in the head with his boots.
3. When you listen to Rory Culkins voice in normal interviews, compared to his narration in the movie, he has put on Norweigan accent/intonation
4. Euronymous really died in his pajamas and underwear like he is seen in the movie, as Varg woke him at 4 am in the morning and demanded he open the door
5. Varg was 19 and Euronymous was 25 when Varg killed him, so I understand why they had to portray Varg as "paying his dues", being initially uncool. But I agree, the Varg role was all wrong. In real life Vargs tall, very thin and creepily playful and cheerful. He reminds me of Floki from Vikings. Hes very natural and casual in his narcissism and lack of empathy. In the movie, he reminds me of Nathan Explosion.
6. The reason they focused on "the girl" is because the media and Varg have alluded to the fact that Varg killed Euronymous over a 16 year old Ilsa Raluce Anghel or "The Gypsy" (who probably wrote the article below) who took their photos. She lived with both of them at different times, but was now with Euronymous. Her police statement got Varg arrested and convicted of murder. If you have read "Lords of Chaos" and researched all aspects of these murders, the inclusion of this female role shows the movies covering all these bases. Varg constantly lies to cover up the facts about this female, saying Euronymous, never had a girlfriend, he was gay, all sorts of discrediting shit to cover up the fact that this was probably true. Plus, Varg was jealous of Faust having killed a man, Snorre says this in the book.
www.reddit.com/r/BlackMetal/comments/ak070l/interview_with_the_exgirlfriend_of_euronymous/
B Elston if someone tried planning my murder I'd shank that ass 46 times
Varg is listed at 5'9" not really that tall just above average. Not such a big Viking after all
Euronymous was 5'6"
Varg is on youtube - ThuleanPerspective.
Go hear about it from the man himself.
hes also a fucking nutbag whos changed his version of events multiple times. I love his early music but whoever showed him how to use youtube needs to get stabbed in the head.
eric blood because varg is an idiot
But if he never got a YT account, then I'd never get to see him trying to swim in chainmail. And that's priceless.
You're saying that we have to assume what a convicted murder is saying as the truth?
@eric blood Because some people don't care about "true facts". They just want to see a movie. Is not a documentary. It's fiction.
I assumed the two DM kids who visited the store were Darkthrone. Don't know why.
(Originally a reply, reposting as stand-alone comment) I'd recommend these 3 documentaries for anyone interested in learning about the early black metal scene in Norway, all should be available on youtube: Det Svarte Alvor, Satan Rir Media (Satan rides the media) and Once Upon a Time in Norway. On a side note: I haven't read the book Lords of Chaos, but I've seen many critiquing it for taking an almost admiring and uncritical position on the events that transpired, something to consider for anyone interested in reading it.
Great words, man. Killer review.
“Now I don’t know how accurate [the murder] was”
*”...I wasn’t there”*
What link did you use to watch the movie?
It's available VOD on iTunes and UA-cam
Agree pretty much, and definitely about Dead. It felt like they just got everyone else intentionally wrong on purpose. I mean, Varg's real "Norwegian C3PO" voice is enough to be comedic, but giving him that nasal Steve Urkel voice and laugh and really going out of their way to turn him into a poser and a moron was way too over the top. And none of the actors actually looked like the musicians they were supposed to portray. I guess Attila was played by his son, but when I met him, he TOWERED over me, but in the movie, he's almost the same height as Euronymous, who was supposed to be tiny (though not quite as scrawny as the actor who played him).
Euronymous never had a girlfriend, he was supposedly asexual, and he never cut his hair. I guess having a love story is obligatory for Hollywood. Varg supposedly had a girlfriend, but wasn't that "rock star fucking groupies" type. Being a white supremacist, he seems to hate people who live the "sexual freedom" lifestyle. According to Varg, Euronymous also never cut his hair before the stabbing, that was probably inspired by autopsy photos where they had to shave his head.
Finally, not only did they leave out Emperor and Darkthrone, they seemed to have omitted a good chunk of people, like Maniac, Samoth, Fenriz, Abbath, and pretty much all the "level headed" people in the scene.
Anyways, i thought it was trash, and you're right..... ho the fuck is the intended audience?? It feels like an insult to both black metal fans and newbies.
Varg isn't a white supremacist. He believes every culture was made to be in their own country nowhere else.
@@CharlieEst1981 same shit, different wrapper. Garbage people
@@CharlieEst1981 That's still white supremacy lol
Dude - in order to enjoy or even get the most of this flick I think one has to embrace the irony of having a group of youngsters acting out their Lord of the Flies worst in their misplaced competition of being the lesser 'poser'. Group dynamics is a wierd thing. Wished it had dealt with this aspect on a deeper level...
On another level I think this movie goes as deep as the real life people surrounding these events allow. Sorry to disappoint any, but I dont get the idolisation of ppl acting nuts and hurting others.
I get why a lot of fanboys long for glorified story of mysterious epic darkness that truly represents their own fascination. I get what BM means to some and understand the urge to act as an antagonist to a pretty braindead mainstream culture ... however, for me the humour in this movie was a much needed vehicle to endure the never ending stream of braindead counterculture cliches and not least the pathetic tragic actions carried out by of a sad gang of mostly irresponsible selfish jerks.
A decline into mocking and killing each other. Great friendships at its best!
Simply wanting to be famous "at any price" is by definition the ultimate way of selling out. This is not only a subculture conundrum - it's a fucking identity split and it's complete delusion eventually giving birth to group psychosis within the 'black circle'. What better way to express these dynamics than through a band taking their self image waaaaaaay too seriously - to the point of 'anything goes'.
I'm not a complete stranger to these events albeit from a distance. The story is disturbing and it should go down in history as such. In terms of characters and storyline accuracy it seems to hold. Evidently there's a bunch of die hard 'BM owners' out there who feel betrayed that their idols now again get exposed as brainfarts.
Funnily this movie does show how low you can go but actually in a loving and caring fashion insofar possible - and one the holds up to the police reports as well.
I saw that Fenriz is listed on the IMDB cast as a character. Did anyone actually see his character in the movie?
Myke you excited for trunk muzik 3 ?
Honestly, the biggest cringe factor for me was people making fun of people who thought the film sucked. I saw tones of people throwing around accusations that people who disliked the film were just fan boys who were upset that their favourite musician wasn't wearing the right jacket or that all the inaccuracies were just unimportant shit. This is very dismissive of the fact that it is just a boring Hollywood cardboard cut out of a film that is just trying to capitalize on the sensationalism of the "Trv Story."
It's telling that you can't come up with examples of how any of the events in the movie were inaccurate. It was also an independent film, not a "hollywood" movie.
@@armageddonbound Euronymous never had a girlfriend. Let's start there. Making up people that don't exist is stupid
@@lincolnsand5127 FROM VARGS OWN WEBSITE "Also, in August 1993 he (Euronymous) was about to go to prison for four months, after being convicted for injuring two people with a broken bottle, because they had "looked at his girlfriend" at a bus-stop."
@@armageddonbound Varg said he never had a girlfriend when reviewing this film. She's never mentioned anywhere else
@@lincolnsand5127 I literally copy and pasted that from Vargs own website. If you are trying to make the point that he is a lying piece of shit that can't keep his lies straight....i'll agree with you
I went into it as a "Based on true events" movie. Because that's what it is, it wasn't going to be 100% true. It felt like a mockumentary. Going into it with that mindset, made it a hilarious entertaining event. I'm glad we got this movie, even with the fuck ups there is still an amazing attention to detail when it comes to make a metal and or black metal movie that doesn't try too be too serious. Every battle of the Alamo movie is different, every D-day movies is different.
Excellent take dude. Going in with good cheer, knowing that it was going to be funny is the right way to go when it comes to this film.
To be fair the movie did mention in the beginning quotes lies would be told
Loving the Dawn T-shirt. 🖤
Where do i get to see the movie? I can’t find any legal torrent :)
What the hell is a legal torrent? Haha.
@@mykectown (joke)
@@Lofausto66 God, I'm an idiot. Sorry. Hahaha!
@@mykectown haha no worries mate but seriously can't find any way to get it! Even in streaming
@@Lofausto66 Here you go. It's not 780p or anything but if you're desperate it's watchable. ua-cam.com/video/6wL1UiZkoUU/v-deo.html
A couple positives- Rory Culkin did a great job. The record shop, and the photo shoots were great. Also, I think Varg picked up that Sodom In the Sign of Evil EP in the shop, which is proto black metal.
Is it just me or the song they played "Outbreak of Evil" from Expurse of Sodomy and not the original version from In The Sign of Evil?
hey myke, since this one doesnt look too great do you have any recommendations for movies/docs/books about the early black metal scene that are actually good?
I'd recommend these 3 documentaries, all should be available on youtube: Det Svarte Alvor, Satan Rir Media (Satan rides the media) and Once Upon a Time in Norway. On a side note: I haven't read the book Lords of Chaos, but I've seen many critiquing it for taking an almost admiring and uncritical position on the events that transpired, something to consider for anyone interested in reading it.
UTLTU is a fine watch. The only book I've read is Lords Of Chaos. Other than that I've just read blogs and I used to have some old zines. But that stuff is long gone unfortunately.
Anything feral house has put out on the subject including the book with the name lords of chaos.BLACK METAL Evolution of the Cult by Dayal Patterson is seriosuly great too as well. Also the publisher bazillion points puts out a lot of books on specific bands and they have been reproducing the old zines Like metalion. They are fantastic btw
Until the Light Takes Us is good; free on UA-cam.
thanks for the recs. the only one of these i've seen is UTLTU, ill get on the others asap
damn you got a backing track now?
Where can i watch this movie for free?
Watch 'Ex-Drummer' instead.
Read the book, it's so much better.
@@kmi187 But overall it's still shit.
Wait, non-Belgians know about that movie and book? Holy shit
Seems like this movie has a lot of flaws. I'm still gonna watch it regardless of that. I'm really curious.
Hey man I really appreciate you making this video. I’ve been pondering watching this movie all day today. And I was really stoked about seeing it now I’m not in as much of a rush to see it. I was shocked that anyone made a movie about this. And I have a feeling I’m going to be mad after watching it. Some stories were never meant to be told. But I’m going to watch it anyways I guess. Thank you for your honesty because now my hopes won’t be so destroyed. And yes you’re righ, if this guy didn’t tell the story right then they should have gave it to someone who would. After all this is probably the only chance this story will have have to be made into a movie.
great review !! first time i've checked this channel out ill be checking in now
i just don't understand why we couldn't have a good Black Sabbath movie before a mediocre to alright Mayhem movie.
Do you really want that? Especially after Bohemian Rhapsody? Not to mention how if Hollywood did decided to make a Sabbath movie you know who's gonna tamper all over it? Shannon. And barring that what about getting the rights for the music? And lastly, the biggest problem with Biopics about musicians is that Hollywood ALWAYS tries to cram decades worth of a band's career into a 2 hour running time. It was bad enough seeing Queen record their self titled debut for 2 minutes and then jump to the tour before recording A Night at the Opera at the 35 minute mark. I don't want that for Sabbath and neither should you.
"no one talks like that"
you must have never met my friend Brutal Joe
haha!
They may have not mentioned Darkthrone but there is a scene with euronymous wearing a Darkthrone shirt
This is an amazingly thorough and thoughtful review. My thoughts almost exactly!
Haven't seen the movie and not planning to in the nearby future either, I'm just here to comment about the stabbing scene. Being stabbed a shitton of times and being able to keep going might seem ridiculous, but from what I understand, it happens. A few years ago, my dad was stabbed two times with a 12 inch kitchen knife by his coworker. He said that the stabs itself felt like he was punched, and it wasn't even all that painful at the moment, he only started feeling shit and collapsing, when he lost enough blood.
Yeah, I know, I managed to focus on he most important part of the video, haha
Btw, what's your opinion on Until The Light Takes Us? I remember that you once briefly mentioned it, so I assume you've seen it
Yeah, your dad was, I assume, an adult. And he was stabbed twice. Not 20 times like in the movie. It's just stupid. If you saw the scene I'm talking about you'd get it. Sure, it's not that important, but it just adds a big chunk of WTF to it.
And I really enjoy Until The Light Takes Us. I'd much rather watch that than this bullshit,.
Glad you like it, I like it too. Interesting enough, as melancholic that movie felt, and as much edgy shit it covered, the one thing that made me very sad/disappointed was that stupid shit that Hellhammer casually said about the dude that Faust killed. An artist's personality doesn't really change my mind about their music, but it still sucks that someone is that much of an ass. Fenriz' presence in that movie on the other hand was like a restoration of my faith in humanity, one bit at a time. I love that dude.
@@mykectown The blade he was stabbed with was very small, and people can easily survive that for some time. There are many cases of it that you can look up. Most hollywood movies show people just instantly dying after getting hit with a knife once, now THAT is fake.
@@armageddonbound Sigh. You guys are being a bit ridiculous about this. No one's saying he had to die instantly. But to say he could take 2 stabs in the gut, then another 7 or so in the back before leaving, then another 5 or so outside the door and however many he got as he's going down the stairs...and still be talking and carrying on a fairly coherent conversation is fake as shit. Has it happened once or twice in the history of the universe? Sure. I'm just saying I didn't buy it here...
@@mykectown listen from @1.02 ua-cam.com/video/_jhZ9lu6O5E/v-deo.html
The actual murders were much much worse in real life than they were portrayed in the movie.
Good, tastes vary but for me personally, Van Zandt would have been the wrong choice (and I still loath his "Elephant"). If we'd talk Harmony Korine, well, that would have been another thing - though probably scrapping a little too close to being a fan-movie. As it is (and having been a fan and collector at a time when Dead was not quiet as dead as he is today), we have to keep it mind that this is primarily a film for normies. Which is fine since Akerlund managed to keep that fine line between a film for the indie-film-crowd, yet keeping it entertaining for the BM-crowd, showing a love for details and being familiar with the basic scene (we might also point out, that a much younger Akerlund also made a video for Candlemass, which featured Dead before he joined Mayhem). But two more points I disagree with:
The humour: I found it well-placed and by no means a distraction. Not only because BM-fans, especially from the Nordic regions, often have a slightly morbid taste of humour. Taking a closer look at the artwork of the "Deathcrush"-EP or the stories about Dead chasing cats through the woods, all that was rather hilarious at the time. I recall suggesting, in the comment sections in one of Varg's early video about the movie, that the film might best work as a very black comedy, so as to not degenerate into a soapy social-drama (and mentioning to him, that a scene with Euronymous in his underwear, screaming his lungs out while running down the staircase, would work best with Boney M's "Daddy Cool" playing in the background... yeah: he blocked me for that. LOL!).
The violence: Dead's suicide and Faust stabbing the guy in the park were damn realistic; more kudos to the director. But the final killing of Euronymous may well have been the most realistic stabbing I've seen on film. Keeping in mind: all those kids were middle-class, from a very sheltered part of society. Unlikely that Varg has killed anything bigger than a cat prior to the murder. And killing with a knife is not easy and technically a pure gamble, if you don't know what you're doing. The human body can take an enormous amount of punishment, especially when you're under shock and no vital organs are hit directly. Varg was simply a kid, who got his "knowledge of anatomy" from Death Metal lyrics and flicks like The Evil Dead and Braindead (the film featuring snippets from both movies), and who essentially panicked. Mix that with incompetence, and you'll get a bloodbath like those in the film. So, forget Varg's often told, "glorious" tale of "one fatal blow to the head" (and the other wounds coming from shards of broken glass and pressumably mosquito bites; I'd trust that the police medics would be well aware of the differences).
Hey, man. Cool getting a comment from a fellow old dude. Haha.
For the record, I hated Elephant as well. I also hated Last Days. However, I still think that he could have done wonders with this film because his style is cool. It's the stories of those films that I didn't like at all. Now Harmony Korine? I think that would have been an absolute disaster. While I love his style, I think he would have just made this weird for weird's sake and it wouldn't have come together well. However, part of me still thinks he would have done a better job than Akerlund.
I also still have to disagree about Euronymous's stabbing. He stabbed him twice in the gut in the apartment. Then proceeded to stab him over and over again in the back before he even left the apartment. I was OK with that until we get outside and he's still stabbing him. And then we get to the bottom of the stairs and he's still stabbing him. And Euronymous is talking about "bbbbb we're fffffffriends." That shit was awful to me. Varg's knowledge of anatomy is irrelevant there. Regardless of if we take Varg's story or the film's story...Varg was stabbing Euronymous out of either anger or desperation. Even if he wasn't strong enough to make extremely deep wounds, I just don't see the body sustaining that much damage and going into shock while being composed that way. Could it happen? Sure. In this case, it seemed like melodrama and gratuitous violence for attention's sake. Which is corny to me. And I wasn't going off of Varg's depiction of what happened. I was going strictly by the movie.
As far as who the film is for...as I said I don't think "normies" would really get much from this film except "look at these dumb kids doing dumb shit and dying in dumb ways." Haha! And if that's ALL the director was trying to convey then that's fine. But then he shouldn't cry when people call this movie surface level trash.
Varg blocking you for that comment is fucking hilarious!
It reminded me of that thrown together WM3 movie Devil's Knot as in that film and this film felt very much like a made for TV movie from the 1990's.
i so agree with you on the part of varg being look at as dork and then to a know it all and the way Snorre was made to be too... like yes master I do anything for you master hahaha... over all i liked many parts like the detail to many things that was use to make it look like it was back then... guitars, the mic use all that stuff was cool, shirts and the albums
Ya, I didn't really like this film either. But Varg is having a melt-down over it and that is the real entertainment. As if the man couldn't character assassinate himself!
I agree, the most entertaining aspect of this movie is how obsessed Varg is with it.
The Thralls have spoken!!!
Someone delete my fuckin comment?
Holy shit, Bully is such a great way to describe how this movie should've been. Ok, I'm not gonna live-comment your video anymore, let's talk about it in person soon.
I'll see you Saturday. Maybe we can chat a bit then.
Killer. Was hoping you’d be there.
Loved the review and agreed with most of your points, except that I loved some of the things you hated.
I’ve never identified as a black metal fan or been a part of the scene in any way, so I’ve absolutely no problem with this movie being made. But I’d say I’ve been slightly more interested and digging into the story than the average music listener - in a reasonable way.
As a Norwegian I was really eager to see how well they captured the vibe the music and story had given me in the past. At first it did, because I absolutely agree with you about Dead (even though I wish they’d paid more attenion to the pre-Varg story); His death scene was amazing, not just well executed (hehe!), bu the set itself resembled the album cover Euronymous took so much without feeling forced or set up, and made it feel eerily ‘actual live footage!’-y.
But that was pretty much the only scene in the whole movie that captured that vibe for me. Still loved it though.
I disagree strongly about Culkin’s performance. I think his acting and whole character was absoultely amazing, but did it remind me of the real Euronymous? In no way. Not just his looks, but accent, mannerisms - I didn’t see it, nor hear i. His death scene was painful to watch, but still felt a bit too cinematic more than realistic to me - compared to Dead’s death scene at least. This didn’t feel like the story in Oslo we’d heard so much about. He was also a bit too likeable and rational IMO.
Here’s the part I strongly disagree wih you on: I LOVED the movie lookin at it as a really disespectful, childish dark comedy - the way Varg was handled made me laugh all the fuckin time. His whining and taking things overly serious, it HAS to be just a straight up diss, and I seriously loved that. Looking at it as a just some movie, sure, must’ve been lame. But based on his UA-cam channels, interviews, conflicting statements and overall attitude - this was the exact treatment he deserved, and even if he didn’t it’s exactly what Varg feels like to me. Just taken a bit further with the whining. I found it hilarious. Varg's the kinda guy Myke blocks on Twitter daily.
Oh, and about Varg fuckin alot; in Bergen I’ve talked to quite a few people before this movie was released, and the rumor is at least that he DID in fact fuck alot.
I skipped the parts about Ann-Marit, they were pointless.
My main problem with the movie was how nothing really had any effect on anything. Varg and Euro burned down the only churches? How about the waves of (attempted) church burnings around Norway? My impression was always that they’d told/inspired people to do it. Not done it themselves. And the murder in Lillehammer? Like three people went ‘whoa, scary and cool, dude.’
This was a huge deal in Norway, especially after Varg talked to the media (holy shit, that scene was good). But in this movie it really felt like maybe 4-5 norwegians and some cops gave a shit.
I only just found out about this movie and I was intrigued. Then I began hearing all that was wrong with it. Your comments really drive home some of the points, and funnily enough, one of the things I thought was that this should have been either in Norwegian with subtitles or the actors could have at least had Norwegian accents. And that was the first thing you mentioned! I think this could be a story that would make a great movie in the right hands but this sounds like not enough thought or veracity went into it. I guess I'll pass. Still curious though...
Just watched it. The murder scene was actually hilarious. He starts drinking chocolate milk in between stabbing Euronymous, for fucks sake. had me in tears.
I agree with everything you said.
good review Myke, my wife and I saw the movie last night, both of us are big fans of Norwegian black metal. with all honesty, if they changed names and made the band and characters 100% fantasy, it may have been an all right movie. That being said to start the timeline was all fucked up 1st Dead was still alive when Mayhem started recording Des Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. 2nd Varg was far more involved earlier on in the scene then this shit flic would have us believe, and though I think he has some stupid personal views, he is not an idiot. Finally they really played up the friendship between Euronymous and dead, that by all accounts did not really exist, and really downplayed Vargs part.
They did actually use their song "Deathcrush" in like the beginning portion of the movie
Hey Myke, it's really cool that you were pretty fair with this movie and gave it a chance. By the second trailer I knew this thing looked kinda bad but hey maybe someone will enjoy it
As a movie it's ok, it's entertaining enough and maybe some people will be interested to check out Mayhem's music.
As a biopic? Let's be real here, Biopics, especially music Biopics are always bullshit and get facts wrong or when they get the artists or their estate it becomes an exercise in revisionism.
I enjoyed some of the movie but I felt they tripped up badly in a couple of areas. I don’t understand why they made a love interest for Euronymous. I don’t feel like it added anything of substance to the story. They also did a terrible job of introducing Faust in the story considering that the murder in Lillehammer is featured in the story. Someone with no understanding of the story wouldn’t have known who he was. We just saw him hanging around Helvete up to that point. They didn’t even introduce him in the story. I would’ve liked to see some of the fluff taken out and some of the investigation put in instead.
I think the girl was just a plot device to show the guy was changing, he moved, he got a girl, he cut his hair. Also, you have to wonder what these guys were doing for sex, they were of the age to be interested in girls.
The girl in the movie is based partially on a (real) girl, named Ilsa. First, she was the girlfriend of Varg, then of Euronymous and after he was murdered, she became the girlfriend of Mortiis.
@@berndmeister422 is there any evidence of this girl?
@@watermelonlalala Yes, you can check out the latest posts of the Facebook page called "The True Mayhem Collection".
@@watermelonlalala Lol, the book Lords Of Chaos, page 119... And since police talked to her for about 8 hours (she was 16 years old), and they verified that she lived with Euronymous for a time. I'm sure that testimony may be public record; not sure how transcriptions of court and police investigations are handled in Norway...
Knowing the history of Mayhem, I thought this film portrayed just fine. I would rather see a movie about this insane story, than not. So yeah. Thanks. Lots and lots of stabbing
Happy to see that this was a legit review with good thoughts and not a politically charged load of nonsense. Actually I'm happy to see that this film hasn't (at least yet) sparked any kind of moronic uproar or toxic nonsense.
Hey Myke were you at an Incantstion show?
svoland2003 I’ve been at a few Incantation shows.
This movie could have been good but they inserted so much BS into it. Varg was not a vegetarian and the milk scene in the end is just silly. No Darkthrone mention either felt strange.
Euronymous was wearing a darkthrone shirt in a scene
cool dawn shirt \m/
Cool review.I read the book years ago.Looking forward to finally seeing the movie soon.If you get a chance it would be cool to see what you think of a band called necrolord..their albums are available to listen to in full here on youtube.They have been around a long time and are quite good.
Why wouldn't one believe someone talked like them did? It was 1990's in Norway
This film is the black metal version of Bohemian Rhapsody. AWFUL! Jonas Akerlund is an incompetent director.
he's a fine director (spun and small apartments), but, in this case, a terrible scriptwriter.
i honestly think if the original screenplay had been used, this would have been so much better.
@@cxcmb I disagree. Like most if not all of his films, I think they suffer from bad editing, bad writing and for some reasons, actors seem to always deliver their worst performances in his films. He directs them like music videos.
There's a good film to be made about Norwegian Black Metal. I just don't think the generic music biopic formula and Jonas Akerlund is the way to go.
@@carllaitenberger9984 If you think Jonas Åkerlund is a bad editor your out of your mind. Spun is an amazingly edited film
@@offthericproductions3711 Let me rephrase that, I hate his hyperactive editing that serves no other purpose than give the audience a seizure.
I mean, I thought Bohemian Rhapsody was alright. Cheesy, but that's kinda what I was expecting.
Euronymous' death scene was my least favorite part. It was soooooo exaggerated. I get WHY it was (it's a movie) but it turned me off. According to Varg (in his most recent video) he stabbed him until he was done and never said a word. No dramatic monologue haha.
Varg has changed his story so many times I doubt even he remembers what really happened.
And no chocolate milk! Haha
@@VexLament Not really, his story has been consistent for over 2 decades. "He heard from Snorre Euronymous was going to kill him, so he went to his house to scare him off. Then Euronymous got scared and attacked Varg, they struggled, Varg started stabbing." -which is what I've always seen in videos about him or in quotes from him.
Thank you! You articulated exactly what I thought about it.
Totally Agree!! Nice video and opinion.
Myke the Kid C Town back again!!
Still waiting for Myke to actually acknowledge these comments.
imo this movie should have never been made. even though the story of these huge figures in bm is interesting, i dont think that it needed to be told this way.
It woulda been cooler if it was a lofi indie type movie with actual Norwegian actors
No mention of Jon from Dissection.
Jack Kilmer is actually in deed into black metal, pre-movie
Anybody whose into metal.. not even black metal, will know this entire movie is nothing but crap filled with lies.
The black circle is part of metal history.
DETHGASM is better than lords of chaos and probably more truth than LOC lol
I was entertained, but agree with most of what you said. I wish they focused more on the music, the actor who played Varg was so mis-cast. It was too silly. They should have had Norweigan actors, with subtitles, or at least accents. I thought the violent death scenes were good, very brutal (especially Dead's suicide and the homesexual attack). A Bully-esque Larry Clark movie would have been awesome
Just realised you hair is almost as long as those old school DEHH videos, great review