We learned something new about Nemesis! | Dead by Daylight
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- This video explains a new discovery about Nemesis' tentacle hitbox that you might not know about. On top of that, we also tried a really interesting and unusual playstyle taught to us by a very dedicated Nemesis main. Enjoy!
00:00 Hitbox discovery
01:30 New Nemmy Playstyle?
02:04 Builds Summary
02:36 Build #1 (Blood Lodge)
15:50 Build #2 (RPD East)
27:15 Build #3 (Fractured Cowshed)
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*Oh and here's a third discovery:* Marvin's Blood is bugged and gives more mutation rate than the description suggests. It gives a +25% on fresh infections (intended) but a +75% on repeated hits (which seems unintentional), making it stronger than it should be.
This was discovered and tested by two different viewers of mine (and probably others) and has been acknowledged, so it might be getting fixed soon.
otz are you gonna check out the new assymetrical game called CD?
Been loving CD a lot actually since it came out on game pass
Wasn't this common knowledge even back when it was 33% (+1 mutation point), you explained it yourself long ago. Marvin's blood doesn't really need further nerf
@@alexandredasilvavilasboasrosas WHAT IS CD?? >:)
noooo, i loved the fast tier 3
Glad to see Nemesis getting some love, such an underrated perk.
Nemesis.
I was about to say he's a killer and then realized what you did, you sly fox
@@fel524Shlawg called him a sly fox😭🙏
@@gazelle_diamond9768Nemesis, nemesis?
Nemesis is truly one of the characters in dbd
It's so sad that screams don't attract zombies. Hex: Face the Darkness would be so fun on Nemy!
Some of them DO attract zombies as far as I know, but I'm not sure if it's 100% consistent or if it was changed recently.
I agree, but I guess it might be unfair especially when people get hooked. The zombies wold just end up camping for him lmao
@@fel524 ppl screaming on hooks is different than actual screams
The DBD wiki says it does not work on any screams, but i realize the wiki isn't always 100% accurate. And yeah, it should definitely not apply to hooking screams.
Zombies go after loud noise notifications. Not all screams trigger notifications, but the ones that do will attract zombies. Works with Discordance, tinkerer, face the darkness, infectious fright, deathbound, etc.
It does not work on screams caused by Pain Resonance, Surge, getting hit, and getting hooked.
If you look at 6:18, Otz has the oni's perk charm, Nemesis on his Nemi.
Thanks for sharing my efforts otz :)
Thank you for being an excellent researcher.
Aayyyyy thanks for the work comrade
You're devotion and patience is the coolest.
@@diegoboulton5259your
Thanks to your efforts nemesis is Now firmly one of my 3 mains. Thank you
As a nemesis main I see this as an absolute win.
As a win I see this as an absolute nemesis
@@brysonemery9232 As a Nemesis I Nemesis this as an Nemesis Nemesis. Nemesis.
@@zockertwins nemesis nemesis nemesis, nemesis nemesis. nemesis nemesis nemesis. nemesis… nemesis nemesis!
STAAAAAAAARS!
As a Jill main this is fucking terrifying
Well that explains the questionable hits when I'm ducking behind a pallet or when I've managed to randomly hit a survivor ducking behind one. I already knew about the dragging portion of the power, but I didn't know you could literally hit UNDER objects. Very interesting.
“Sorry about the thunder.”
Me: I only hear nemesis 😂😂
It's so fascinating how techs get discovered for characters decently long after they come out! Genuinely one of my favorite things about games like dbd it's so interesting.
Techs are just exploits/engine abuse.
As a Nemi main, this is just sad.
I wish they made his power more consistent to not have to rely on his “techs”.
@@kingol4801 Agreed. I mean, this tech is just blatant spaguetti, just like Blight's Hug tech.
Nemesis' tentacle in particular has always been unbelivably janky and capable of ridiculous nonsense hits. It should be more consistent so that it's more intuitive to both aim and dodge.
@@dumblenutz5561most killers that have any ranged M2 are capable of janky BS plays. If not that then just pretty poor server issues. Can’t count how many times a night I’ll be taking a step or two after fast vaulting and I still take a hit.
@@nathangothan601 I'm pretty sure DBD itself just has rather bad servers. Even M1 hits are quite questionable at times; So often i get hit after vaulting despite it clearly not being supposed to connect. It's like you're always 1 second behind regardless of your connection quality.
Of course, it only gets worse against ranged attacked killers. For this reason i dislike playing against them, even Huntress despite her being lauded as a completely fair and balanced killer. I just don't think it's fun to have to rely on the server blessing me for it to be actually possible to dodge her hatchets. Let alone the fact that she can force a 50/50 at every pallet rotation if you don't comp drop early.
@@kingol4801why are techs in smash hype then. U can learn them and get consistent. It ass depth so im not agreeing
"4th discovery" I would like to add my bit of sand to the nemmy mains out there idk if someone already has done this. but you can extend the horizontal range of the wip by using q and e or controller at the start of it since itll snap. I have some tests on my ch.
I will never be able to unsee the image of a Dwight just being bombarded to death by a swarm of KitKats now
A great substitute for eviscerate when referring to things lacking organs is "disintegrate". It means "break up into small parts, typically as the result of impact or decay." Perfectly describes what happens to pallets.
Just say it shattered
That's actually crazy. Really good to know for players trying to learn new ways to avoid or get those hits
I just wish they would make it more obvious and consistent.
Because this whole coding mess being literally exploited is not at all fun
@@kingol4801explointing you are going a bit far don't you think
@@kingol4801 how is it exploiting? Understanding the way the game works and using that knowledge in your personal benefit is anything but exploiting.
An exploit is a flaw in a game's rules that allows players to win in a way which was not intended. Nemesis' power was literally designed like this, crouching at the right time or using the environment and quirks on how your power works to dodge a hit/hit a survivor is literally what the vast majority of gameplay is.
Injured survivors lean forward, so killers aim slightly behind survivors, thats not an exploit.
As for making it more consistent, there are some problems with that. The reason why survivors lean forward is gameplay reasons, if you center the hitbox of the survivor to the center point of the survivor animation, the survivor will have less vision and controls will feel wonky. You could adjust the camera angle while injured, but that creates more oppertunities for bugs to exist, or slant the hitbox, which makes survivors shorter while injured while also giving them the ability to vault earlier, both negative things for killers, but also can screw up what the game considers as a fast vault and survivors would be twice as easy to hit.
These are a lot of considerations you have to take in mind before deciding to make the visuals "more obvious and consistent" with the actual game mechanics.
@@Predated2 It's exploiting 'cause that's not how it's supposed to work. It's like saying the hug tech used by Blight isn't an exploit.
Yes, and that is a flaw. Nemesis isn't supposed to hit under stuff his entire power is to hit over. As for the survivor hitbox that's not an exploit, just poor design by BHVR. It shouldn't be this hard to make it so the game doesn't break by having accurate hitboxes. Also it's not that survivors lean forward, but rather the hitbox greatly extends behind their model that's the issue
While I'm personally not a huge fan of Nemmy, seeing players dedicate time to the science of one particular killer's power is always beautiful. Really to cool see so many different passionate players in one community!
13:37 this is why otz is so great. He just explains everything so well and makes sure not to leave out little details that new or unaware players wouldn’t know.
Hell yeah! Nemesis video where he isn't struggling?!? I'm definitely going to try out these builds. Looks like it's time to finally get Plague for corrupt intervention.
Nemesis!!! NEMESIS!!!!
Im so glad this was discovered. This has happened to me SEVERAL times where i tentacle drag and get confused at the hit or miss, had no idea they came out individually like that!
Also glad to see your enjoying the yellow zombie add-ons. Their shockingly underrated, Zombies being able to harass more thanks to them is just great...just relies on the AI sadly
Interesting add on idea for Nemesis, kind of similar to how Demogorgon works. If you have your tentacle up, zombies immediately start walking towards the nearest survivor. If they do not have natural line of sight after you drop your tentacle tho, they will stop. Could help with chase and as info/passive slowdown. Maybe purple or iri
I knew about up to down but i didnt even imagine you can get under pallets, thats incredbile
Zombie speed is my favourite on nemi, the iri addon can be nice but the purple respawn and speed addon and the eyeball are my favourite combo hands down, so much fun herding survivors into the zombies lol
Finally conformation that it’s actually otz.
Thanks for Always Putting in so much work as always Otz 😃 Great Vid!
I love how this community still discovers things for seemingly simple or well understood killers
nah it's just otz and that nemesis maining guy he mentioned at the beginning. the community in general prefers to be salty over everything
Unrelated, but 1st game Otz spoke with such clarity and precision. I can tell that he is passionate about this experiment, and probably got a good night's sleep before recording. Such pleasant commentary!
I actually knew about the hit box. Becomes muscle memory after awhile
I think his hitbox is much deeper if you really try to dive into it, i think, if you master it, his hits are much more consistent, than Pyramidhead's
As a p100 nemesis main i agree .
pyramid head works entirely different
Watching Otz is like a very good news reporter to get new information that ull never get from anyone else
Love seeing how hit boxes work and leading to crazy plays because of the understanding
love to see the educational games with insight on your thoughts! gj otz
I like how the chat in the 2nd game was bewildered by Otz's KitKat analogy for the Nemmy hitbox...
Honestly I was confused until I saw some guy say it was like how a whip worked
Even though I get in and out of this game so often, it doesn’t stop me from watching a new Otz video.
Great to see this as a nemesis Main ☺️
That also explains why sometimes you hit an obstacle really early during your tentacle strike and still can hit them
Hey Otz, Oppression is one of my favorite perks. I pair it with surveillance and you can get a good idea of your gen pressure because you’ll be able to see gens that people have gotten off of
I love games like how that first Nemo game was played. Both sides did great, and cool plays were made by both sides. Even games are the best games
God ive been searching for a way to make nemi's early game more bearable, thank you for this morsel of knowledge sire
It never fails to amaze me how dedicated players take something so simple and make it scarily powerful
Thank you for the video Otz, makes me want to buy nem and give em a try, looks like he has an interesting learning curve!
I like the difference in commentary stile from Otz between games from a stream and privat recording sessions. You probably only notice that when you watch Otz a lot :)
19:35 - 19:47 Certainly blew MY mind. And his retinas.
Yay! I always told that Nemesis has to set-up his infection instead of chasing people.
Letting go of chases is part of his character in the end. Immense role play value.
The fact that players can discover tiny things like this that completely change a character's power is so fascinating to me, and perfect example of why Dead by Daylight still thrives
Watching otz play nemesis is like watching a god play a devil
That explains so much. - I love playing nemmy and I always got the impression there's something going on that isn't explained by what you already said about how the whip works --- tho I figured it was something ping or package loss related. This makes so much more sense tho. ----- As for the starting a match by going for infections and the occasional free hit.... I thought that was common sense? Ofc you have to be confident in your whip-hitting; have to know what you can hit both distance and height wise and mustn't be tempted to "just M1" --- waiting a second to make sure the whip hits is almost always worth it.
I noticed the hitbox thing a long while ago, but never really thought about it all that much as I'm not very good. Wouldn't have been able to explain it as it was, lol
Mr. CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP is so cool.
the hardest challenge in DBD is understanding hitboxes both for stuff you do and environment obstacles
That's actually kinda interesting cause I found this out almost a year ago randomly, I didn't understand the hit boxes but I got hits through small gaps in rocks and hit people under pallets.
the explanation of his power makes way more sense on the drag of the ending animation on the tentacle. or even when you (initially) run over it
22:05 "nemi throws stairs at you" is the best explanation I saw from the chat
I love this man for his attention to details
Your dedication to getting B-roll (like the Nemi shot standing over hatch) is inspiring to say the least.
When i played nemi i always wondered why dragging over stuff is harder. This explains it.
That final line. Savage.
I absolutely love Thwack on Nemesis. It's definitely gotten me 3/4Ks with it.
Me encanta que se descubran cosas que hagan a los killers más fuertes con detalles que los desarrolladores en realidad no planearon o dudo que hayan planeado 😂
What luck. I just started to main nemy today and this was a huge help. What a save 😮❤
Idk what I was expecting but this certainly is surprising
Dude you are a DEMON with those nemy drags and tip of the tip slappers
I feel like there were probably about five hundred ways to program the tentacle to be much simpler and much less bs, but here we are.
I KNEW IT whenever I play nemmy I've noticed if I miss my whip sometimes if I flick right after I still get the hit almost as if the whip comes out in multiple segments I didn't realize it was true and not just me coping because I suck at hitting survivors with the whip
The best chase music in the game, and the sound effect of contaminating a survivor is so satisfying. I love Nemmy!
I discovered this "kitkat tentacle' on Yamaoka some times ago, go to one of the limit of the map and hit the wall. For me, i could clearly see some dust where the hit landed. So by doing a drag, i could see the hitbox going down in front of me. You can kind of see it at 0.59s, the cloud of dust on the pallet is the hit, and after that it goes down. Also theses cars are weird, some of them have hitbix a'd you just cannot hit a survivor or even a pallet if you are not in front of him, but other cars are just void, you can hit from every angles. I have trouble seeing the difference in matches between a "you are dead late" car and a "i am doomed" car.
As always, great video Otz
idk why but watching Otz play off stream makes it more engaging
a start of game strat I use before Otz made a video about it? Impossible.
Subscribed just because you're the nicest person I've ever seen play this game
this makes me think of a build of thwack, lethal pursuer, eruption and pain resonance, good gen stopping and lots of information
Nemo is such a fun killer to play, and to watch, nice vid
You didnt even watch it
@@Schulenkritiker It's okay he's just from the future.
@@notOtzdarva I came back to tell you trapper will one day be buffed
@@Gonk697😂😂😂
the pallet trick seems like alot of fun although unlike huntress or wesker there is no reason to leave a pallet up as nemi, no matter what the playstyle i think its always best to just break it quick with the whip. also as certfied nemi main i can confirm going for as many tentacle hits as possible is hella fun
5:46 I don't know what that gen kicking sound was.. but it sounds.. so satisfying?!! When did they add that oppression sound?
That hit from under the still-upright pallet was absolutely disgusting and I commend you for it 😂
Two addons on zombie's FOV and range are so good in combo. Especially with some perks with notifications
This is way for ever and always Otz will always be a very very deep intricate technical killer
5:35
Otz talking and in the background you hear Leon just screaming for like 10 seconds😂😭
Stuff I thought a lot of people already knew to be honest. Then again I have played the game a long time and have been quick to learn things. Yes I have played Nemmy a fair amount as well. ( as I have with all killers and the survivor role. )
that wasnt a thunderstorm, otz. the rumbling is finally coming for you
As a big nemesis fan (pretty much mained him till weskuh dropped) i am very happy to see some new discoveries for my favorite stompy boi
Thunders really going off at 11:44
Another classic otzbarba video
Really appreciate Otz and the Nemmy main who did the research for this. Nemmy is the only killer I have at an MMR that's close to my skill after taking almost a full year break from DBD, so he's all I play now. This will help me significantly, though I'm still handicapped playing on ps4, and his hit detection with his tentacle and lower fps makes even easy hits harder
Sad thing is PS5's not much better. It's just a visual upgrade. If the game would be a little more godd*mn generous with the attack hitboxes, instead of you having to aim them like it's an fps, I'd enjoy the game a lot more. And pretty much every game of this genre is like this. Friday, Predator, Texas Chainsaw. It's, in part, the cost of having survivors move so fast.
otz understanding how strategy works instead of tactical chases ; ) differentp laystyle.
Holy heck, it's confirmed he's ACTUALLY Otz!!!
This just made me way better at the killer lol, now I understand how to aim it
this makes sense lol, i would hit whips i didnt think would hit and now i know why
Finally another Nemesis video
I do the exact same thing with my Nemesis! I've had multiple people question why I seem to drop chase so much or so often in the early game, and I've always said; thats 2 minutes. First, I'm maximizing CI value by corralling survivors into less options to avoid me and/or zombies. Secondly, it practically ensures a guaranteed T2, and depending on the first 2 minutes, even a potential early T3.
I'm so happy to see another Nemmy doing this.
(My pride n joy still remains running into 'SmoithSmith' of CoconutRTS video fame and having him tell me that my Nemesis was "terrifying"!)
Imagine this iri add-on for Nemesis - for each done generator +1 zombie.
i'd like to see the results of those lab tests
1:15 nah who else thought she was behind the truck 😭
Its interesting to know that there is more weirdness to how his tentacles work, going up from down. Dont know why I thought of it attacking the furthest survivor first and not from up to down
How come "corrupt intervention" isn't base kit yet?
Should be even for a minute
As a Nemesis enthusiast I had a theory about this, namely that it was an arcing line rather than a straight, but this makes it even crazier
No wonder I could hit people so easily behind medium height obstacles
I like to believe that the Nea at 14:16 got hit by the tentacle due to her performing ONE short teabag after the vault. It looked like a tiny one, and am still unsure if it actually was one, but I think it got her killed...
Not related to the video much but i just remembered i need to play dbd, I've been stuck on risk of rain too much, and i find this video the best excuse to play some nemi and puts thi knowledge to the test
Great vid otz!
Imagine distressing and lethal pursuer with that skull merchant perk 😮
Nemesis is one of my favorite killers to play, for one he is just this giant mass running towards you and trying to punch you, his tentakel is a nice midrange abilaty evon tho it can be a bit weird some times, but these explanation are kinda help with that and his zombies are a cool and unique mechanick, even tho they could be a bit smarter but hey can help to slow gens, track and can help at loops
ah, i've also been running the "infect all first" setup on nemesis for months.
just til i hit tier 2 for breaking, then I'll hook, and using zombie speed/detect yellow, and lightborn/deadlock/Corrupt/ and discordance (to lure zambies)
big difference in my playstyle is i do not hesitate to pick up when I down someone (lightborn means I don't have to), I immediately hook them so they can't crawl off somewhere or get picked back up and waste my entire chase. I also harass the hell out of gens as much as I can, ditching chases to run people off those things and get some more hits in. Ideally lure my zombies to worked on gens by forcing pallet drops and panic failure checks nearby and such so they can guard the kicked gen.
Commenting before I forget as I haven’t finished the video. If a survivor is on the other side of a pallet or vaulting one, look up while swinging to hit them instead of the pallet. Look down to hit the pallet of you’d rather break it
Lol .... Now THIS explains most of my rages I had against Nem 😂
There were a few moments where if you used the eyeball with ribbon you would of gotten them. You should try full speed on the zombies when you use discordance or any perks that bring zombies to gens. Just avoid 2 zombie attracting perks I find that eruption messes up things a lot when using discordance because they end up stopping midway to go to another gen.