What would make YOU play new maps?
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2017
- Despite many operations and updates, the mappool for CS:GO remains largely unchanged since 1.6. Why? And what would it take to change that? This is what I think of the matter.
0:20 - Current mappool
1:32 - Why stick to the same maps?
2:41 - Maps since 1.6... why?
3:52 - Valve's influence
6:05 - What about the new maps? How did they manage it?
7:42 - Brute-force of removing old maps
9:15 - How to make new maps valuable and conclusion
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i know what would make me play new maps
map of the day
Xp boost on a random map from the competitive pool
i don't understand why xp matters in CS
it doesn't
but you can get medals after 40 levels
You get drops and fancy medals. And CS:GO is all about having fancy things in your inventory, isn't it?
Romeo and ? Its à Nice idea for make some empty Map played
Isn’t it weird how the cs community is? Every other FPS community love new maps and would even pay $15-20 for them. While the cs community gets them for free and completely ignores it.
Poon Master I feel like it is because map knowledge is humdreds of times more important than any other game. You need to know all the angles to prefire and all the spots to throw smokes, molotovs and flashes. It's just too much of a hassle
Because some other FPS isn't as competitive as CS
Keyword: "some"
Bcs on csgo you need to mastered maps unlike to Many games
All the peoples with potato pc play csgo only and then they cry about their fps on new maps
WE NEED NEW MAPS!
*JustPlaysDustII*
OMG VALVE WHY REMOVE DUSTI
*DosentEvenKnowTheLayoutOfTheMap*
VALVE PLEASE DON'T REMOVE SUBZERO AND BIOME!
Valve : Just fucking Play this Map FFS. If you do not play it we will remove it
Sad fact : ive played a casual match on subzero and Hardly anyone played it the Match was full of bots
an unranked 5v5 would make ppl play new/different maps definetly
If done so there will be too many smurfs.
@@dirstief atleast they'll spend less time in ranked
OOF GUY
Obviously as it is unranked
OOF GUY Just give the unranked 5v5 mode a secret ranking system like the one in normal comp. Easy fix...As long as your "secret rank" is never shown to you in any way other than being put with people about your skill level.
Honestly, when people even say the word "Smurf" all I hear is, "I'm not good enough to beat them"
My excuse for loading up dust 2 for the 1,000th time is that my friends didn't want to play the map that I like (i.e. Vertigo)
*Put canal baack!!!*
Good on them
I like vertigo
Imagine a slot that would be : "the map of the day" , every day it has a new map, that always change midnight, the best map of the month get a slot in the menu
When inserting a new map, they should also add a corresponding Valve made skin collection such as the ones we saw for overpass and cobblestone, and add skin drops from the map collection or even an xp boost from playing on the new maps when added to the game.
I don’t personally play cs that much anymore but I think those aspects were ones that could potentially attract new players as they were similar to what attracted us to the maps that were added in 2014 that we know and love today
“I can’t imagine csgo without Cache now” Well 2 years later you don’t have to imagine
what
@@chaosdoctrina6023 csgo without cache
What?
@@aaaargh8545 but we do have cache
we still got cache dawg 💀
@3kliksphilip I would love for you to do a new version of this, where you look at your predictions and how the game actually has evolved over the past 3 years since this was released. Would be super interesting as agency or canals never really took off (imo), and the lack of community maps DOES still feel weird.
Is it just me or are you guys also genuinely excited when philip uploads?
Me too pal
Who isn't?
I love his videos. Producting quality is always through the roof and I know it's going to be a thought provoking experience. Such an enjoyable creator, he is one of the reasons I still love youtube.
FeelsBadMan... Vertigo, Militia, Dust 1, Aztec, Italy, Assault :((((((
Old nuke, old inf aswll lol
I was so sad when Aztec, Militia, Dust 1, and Vertigo was removed. They were so fun because no one knew them so learning the map became a challenge that gave rewards immediately. For example, finding a sneaky spot in Vertigo as a CT, or trying to figure out where the contact points were on Dust 1. Never forget.
I just wish vertigo would have stayed what an amazing map
RIP Nuke 2013-2017
Jan Kavina
I like vertigo and assault
I love how learning is un-noticable.
You play and play - and your brain takes notes.
You may not realise it - But it'll make you be like - "Oh no - I know they're camping there" - And back off.
Stuff like that.
In the words of Harry Plinkett - "You might not have noticed it, but your brain did"
Most people play hundreds or thousands of hours without learning a lot.
If a map has night time, id play the shit out of it. Sort of like Tulip. A map that isn't just day time. Maybe if they added day/night time maps that would go from day to night time after a set amount of rounds. That'd be interesting.
Or just literally randomized times of day when getting a match. Nighttime Overpass might play differently from daytime Overpass. Might force teams to change strategies when they know what time of day it will be.
Thats a really good idea
That would be effectively impossible because light cast from skyboxes is baked in, and toggleable lights (for different settings in this case) seem to have been broken for CSGO.
The reason daytime is a popular choice is due to player readability, just look at how much brighter new Dust II got with its less gritty, whiter walls.
Kapanyo Well, Source 2 is in the works. Things can change.
It would be amazinf to play cache at night
I didn't even know Cache was an operation map lol
Bet you didn't know that cache was originally made to counter-strike: source instead of global offensive by volcano, even philip didn't
it use to be a CSS map 2.
None of those Maps are new. It all do have 10 plus years!
I really think they need to add 1 map at a time. Maker it an event. If you win 20 Competitive games on that map you get an exclusive skin that can't be traded or sold. This will make people grind the new maps and learn them. If they learn them they can actually good feedback instead of people saying "the operation maps are trash!". At the end of the event (I'd say one month) the map will get a final update and a new map would be the focus.
I'm really disappointed that Canals has had barely any updates. I really wanted Canals to be a good competitive map overtime. Just like Overpass.
Bacon_Bitz27 the skin has to be sellable, otherwise no one is gonna bother getting it.
Electro SchOOp it could be a show off thingy
canals has potential: Make the timing so CT:s get to the canal area first, and delete the awkward window room in A. And back of A site; its serves no purpose and is annoying to play against.
Electro SchOOp No, it really shouldn't. Just being able to sell on the exclusive skins, it trivialises thrm, and the point of it is that its supposed to be a unique and built-up-to reward
yeah and they could also use it as an opportunity to showcase skins from the community market, this is a really good idea
Map of the day with extra xp/drops would be good, most of these new maps have gone completely under the radar for me. Creating events and operations would help too
Now that csgo is free to play,better not add that idea unless you want cheaters getting prime asap
@@Ultra289 prime only perhaps?
During my 3.5 thousand hours of csgo I have almost only ever played on community made servers, because of the variety I was able to choose from, It is just wonderful to play and enjoy new maps and different game modes. So I have to say that I am always open minded about trying new maps (so much that my maps folder was about 30Gb big at one time).
MoRPo way to go, i would do the same if there was such a server nearby, the best ping to a nearby multimap server from here is about 170 which sucks.
All locals are either retakes or DMs. (south-asia)
Yo, fam, what is your Steam ID?
I feel like if map makers released "standard smokes" for each map it would really help give them popularity. Grenades are such a massive part of the game that entering round 1 without any pre-existing knowledge of where to throw meaningful, strategy influencing smokes is such a disadvantage it can throw push people away from trying maps they've never played before -- especially knowing the other team may know some.
Shit, I don't even know that many smokes for the major maps I've played before, but the ones I do make all the difference. If the map creators gave everyone some of the same baseline knowledge, then it could make the maps playable for all while rewarding those who decide to spend some time and discover new ones.
Some map makers actually do that. I know for example a great map maker called "laerth" that does smoke tutorials for his maps. Check him out, his maps are fantastic.
Also, when new maps are added a lot of youtubers make smoke tutorials. What would be good though is if valve added a community discusions to the home page of csgo, (rather than the tab thing) and then pinned tutorials and usefuly community informations, that way people would have better access to these sorts of things.
How about you have fun and try out the map for a few games. You don't have to win every freaking game...
@HaM, lol I'm not saying I want to win every game, but you can get stomped by people who know smokes that you don't, and getting stomped is the opposite of fun.
Also my original idea was to address the general population of Counter Strike, and most people (at least that I've encountered in my games) are pretty much only interested in winning.
why don't you invent your own smokes?
I had trouble remembering the smoke spots on several maps so I just tried them out keeping the minimap in view and I gradually perfected it. I didn't even need to watch tutorials for that.
This is called learning instead of copying.
My pc running them
Vαnder Lej sameeee
Yep
Vαnder Lej same lul
Don't worry valve will never upgrade their servers, so you can keep playing with 30fps ;)
servers don't have anything to do with fps
unranked 5v5 competitive. nuff said
Unranked 5v5 is a legacy of the status of HL3 by now. People have been asking for that since Beta.
DarkGharren why isn't it the game casual is shit due to the chaos and amount of people
Just play faceit free...
yeah try faceit it has unranked competitive and it's free
you got it
The problem, as I see it, with new maps, are that they often are too complicated, visually and layout-wise. Take a look at cache. There really isnt much going on there visually, besides maybe some stuff in the background. Simple colors and easy-to-learn paths. Some additional paths to open for variable strats (boost mid, vents). I also believe maps are better when you can «feel» the edges of it, like you’re in a box, makes it a lot easier to navigate. The same goes for elevation. If there’s going to be a lot of elevation, it better damn be well thought through and have a specific purpose, otherwise it is easy to get confused by where sounds are coming from etc. I believe the reason maps like Canals failed so horribly (other than the complete design flaw on the A site as well as mid) is that the map is really hard to get a good feeling on, of where pressure is being added to the map, of where the enemies can be (on both sides) with all the corridors and elevation diversities. In conclusion: Don’t try to make it so damn fancy! Make a solid mid, b and a template, make paths for each, and then add some cover and other nessescary elements. Look at Shipped, all those yellow railings are nothing but distracting and annoying!
I've led teams on those maps and these things didn't seem to bother me.
If the map is complicated, use your brain for a strategy that isn't copied from pros -_-
-zTubeR obviously. It isnt too complicated for me, I mean for the general community it probably is, don’t you agree?
This is exactly my problem with new maps. They have way too much props and stuff going on, and it makes it hard to concentrate.
Mirage for example is clean map without almost anything else than boxes to take cover behind, while new maps are clusterfuck style and sites are too big.
> The same goes for elevation. If there’s going to be a lot of elevation, it better damn be well thought through and have a specific purpose, otherwise it is easy to get confused by where sounds are coming from etc.
heh, de_engage A site says hello
Now I can't VertiGo Global anymore :(
Would like Season, Zoo or workout to come back
i almost only play new maps. its more fun learning things and going "hey i can use that" and then using it, or teaching your friends. Ruby is my favorite map, and i spent ages in offline mode just exploring it, learning nades and angles, wallbangs and all that juicy stuff.
I am currently working on a map, watching your sdk tutorial helped me pretty good
+ De_Season pls
Shark Man IKR
de season is actually very boring map to play in
de_killme
THIS so much!!!
de_season absolutely needs a permanent place alongside de_cache in the official competitive map pool. I agree.
I miss Season.
same.
I love hopping on a game of office and or agency when I just want to have fun, most of the players on those maps just wanna have fun
Love your content man this vid is amazing
I actually prefer playing new maps. I'm a filthy casual who prefers improving at something until I'm about average and then moving on to something else.
Lol same
improving at something until valve decides to fuck your work over because you tried to get good on vertigo since you like the way the maps plays.
fuck me
I prefer the competetive part of the game, but I don't think that not "trying to improve and get better than the others" is being a filthy casual. I appreciate just goofing around in order to have a fun experience. At the end of the day, it's what we all are playing for. To have fun.
goofing around makes you lose and ruins others experience. others want to win on your team.
unless you do a premade 5 team..
3:20 cobbebobble lol
NadeKing he tried to pronounce de_cbble
NadeKing shut the fuck up you piece of shit
NadeKing Stop wasting the comment section on an important issue like this when you know you will get upvoted cuz of ur channel. You just take away attention from the answers that actually matter, which is what 3clicksphillip wants
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NadeKing sounds like doodle bob
this is why i subed for you your maby the best youtuber in csgo cummunity dude keep it up bro.
I think competitive community maps being another section that can be played and have a seperate rank from your actual competitive rank so that youll have a rank for the classics (dust 2, inferno, chache, etc) and then a rank for community maps, I think it'll be good for players who haved played a lot and are getting bored of the same maps, and it would also allow people to give love to community made maps. It could also mean if you want to play competitive but dont want to risk deranking on the classics, then you could just play the community made section.
Just some thoughts.
I do, I always have in the 2200 hrs of CSGO I've played and I have always hated the apathetic mindset of the playerbase towards new maps. From the beginning of every Operation to the end of every Operation I almost exclusively play the new maps because I know that it's a game experience I'll never be able to relive again once it's gone forever. I have no regrets sinking heaps of time into sick maps like Mist and Empire and it's so painful to have to wait 30 minutes at peak hour just to get a match on them, only to be matched with people who didn't realise they had the map ticked and get frustrated within a couple rounds and can't be communicated with because they don't know any calls. My rank also got inflated so playing on AD maps was a massive struggle.
Agency getting into the competitive pool really blows my mind. There's no good reason for Agency to be the most popular Operation map besides Cache. It's terribly unbalanced, has almost never been updated, and gives extremely few options for CTs to work with. I have no doubt in my mind that if there had never been Operations, and every Operation map was introduced to the playerbase at once and a popularity contest was run to boil it down to just one favourite map, Agency would be one of the most disliked. It's pure chance that it got played, and thus learned (partly owing to how simple it is) by enough people to become a "favourite", and then it being re-voted into Phoenix and Bloodhound certainly didn't help. It goes to show just how little the community is willing to try out new maps - and so Agency, for me, stands as a symbol of everything wrong with Operations and the mindset of the playerbase and how these things completely ruined the potential of community maps.
Put it this way - if Santorini can't become popular, nothing can.
Case in point - scroll down the comments section (or any Reddit thread talking about community maps) and see how everyone very strongly wants just one particular map to be reintroduced from an Operation. There's no pattern to the popularity of the maps, some people will want Bazaar, some want Season, some want Ali, but nothing seems to be the most popular because so few players ever even played more than one or two.
Thank you for this comment, it just sounds right.
I wrote something similar, sadly it looks like both are getting lost in the comment section.
But I also think, Valve should just let me play with the other 100 people who like Assault (or anything else). Who cares if there are 100'000 on D2 at the same time?
This is what i was saying if they could get q times lower for new maps would play a lot more. I play dust 2 cause it q's quick
Queue times are long because nobody plays the maps, they´re terrible- you wanna play them seriously get some friends, you need 9 to play 5v5. Good luck.
If valve hyped the workshop more. There is no incentive for me to look through the workshop at up and coming maps. I do it anyways because I enjoy keeping up with the map making community and exploring new maps is fun for me. But most people aren't like that. It's not the players fault either.
Let's say valve were to reward the player for looking through the workshop in some way and upvoting/ downvoting maps then more people would interact with the map making side of the community. For most people the only memorable map maker is FMPONE when there are many others that make beautiful work. The difference is that Mr. ONE was supported by valve and the competitive community. Casters, players, even Thorin refer to him with some kind of great legacy even though Volcano had most of the ideas and spent the most time working. Not to discredit FMPONE, he does a great job and I'm looking forward to Subzero but most people couldn't care less about map makers in general. The map core contest going on now is probably the most hyped map making event the community has ever cared about and most people still don't know about it.
Now that I've rambled for 5 minutes let me get to the point. If valve were to reward people for playing new maps then people would actually care. If you win 100 rounds on seaside then you get a pirate sticker and glock skin. If you play 50 matches on de_sparity then you get a special tombstone with your name on it, to attach to one gun like a name tag. People would enjoy these and search them out. If valve also made them non-tradable (never going to happen) then people would care even more about playing them.
But hey, that's just the 2 cents of a kid that plays too many video games.
Am really surprised you didn't mention Tuscan and cpl_mill. It was an awesome map that featured in a lot of professional tournaments and seems to have vanished.
But they removed my favourite maps. The only thing that can win me over is Santorini being permanent.
And yet it never came back :/
I dont want to see you ever again
I wish csgo had unranked mm for all these 'clutter-maps' that were cut (burned) away. No i mean not the casual mode or some modified version of mm, but a mm that doesnt affect ranks but uses the current ranks to find the most fitting enemys. Maybe this unranked keeps your rank updated (so you wont lose it due to inactivity) but you cant evolve from there without the 'real' maps. For ranked mm you could have a reserve group again and all the maps cycle through active and reserve. Again reserve group maps should then have only half as much impact on your rank regarding up and downranks. Operations would take place just as before adding the operation maps to the active group. Then if any map gets cut out after any operation it gets removed from ranked mm and put into unranked. I know this system has its faults - its complicated and slow - but it would keep the tactical gameplay of a 5v5 on cut maps at least in the game for some fun rounds. When you totally want to confuse your enemy on vertigo by steping right below them or try to get knifekills in z on italy or have some sick wallbangs on assault or ... -you name it. Just for some light hearted fun on those maps. And no one risks his precious rank with this. I left out the part about trolls - I know they will flood unranked but I want to see the bright side. I hope at least some will read this and maybe someone takes notes and sends them to valve.
Or you could stop playing the overhyped shit that is CSGO and come visit us in CS Source, plenty of maps here.
Or just search 5v5 or 5on5 on the the community servers. And play unranked competitive that way.
yes aim_1v1_lego_beta_11_final_v95 is one of the many great maps, although I personally prefer, jb_familguy_house_2007_RC_71.
You can also play 5v5's on different 3. party websites. But I like the idea of unranked mm. I nearly never play mm, get global, then stop playing 1-2 Months, lose it, have to rank up again and so far and so furth. In the time between I don't play or play faceit/dm, I would play unranked mm way more often. Communityservers are not the same.
But what I would love more are 128 tick servers only.
exclusive skins that you cant trade and can only get by playing a map in unranked X amount of times with Y% of wins could be an incentive to play maps also
I would like there to be an unranked competitive type gamemode with community maps. There they could be played without consequence, and could be judged by the community to join the ranked competitive map pool 😊
koncekvens, KONCEKVENS! KONCEKVENS? Hard word...
unranked competitive type gamemode with community maps.
you mean casual?
He means unranked 5v5 with competitive settings, not 10v10 (or less) with a 3 second buytime, no team damage or team collision and being able to switch teams whenever you want. Casual is completely different from competitive
That's what it should be. Casual is a shit gamemode for all players but hackers. In Rocket League they have casual as the "unranked competitive mode" as you can play on the exact same ground, but there's no rank. That's what VALVe should do with Casual, and I hope they do.
aleksde Not casual. Essentially a copy pasta of the normal competitive mode but unranked, no friendly fire and maybe 20 rounds only (like TheWarOwl described). I also mean fluidity with the map list, so that the community could actually stand a chance. Perhaps they should remove and add maps every month, depending on which ones are more popular? So that's what I had in mind
You are so reflected. I love your videos.
i like knowing what im going into and like learngin the old favuourites maps becuase they not only wil stay in the map pool longer but are also played by pros and etc. i reckon becuase this is waht happened with the map "royal" before it was released me and my friends used to play on the workshop version and becuase my friends were playing on it everyone else started playing on it too and learning it. then we learned to love it and then when it came out in the operation we were overwhelemed with joy as we knew it inside and out already and had played coutnless 1v1's 2v2 and etc on it.
in short i would play a new map if it matter and stayed in i still care way less about agency and canals becuase pros dont use them and no one ques them and general consensus is no one else likes them either
I just want Zoo back... I loved Zoo. Zoo was super fun.
zoo?>
de_zoo it was in an operation. With cool middle design
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hey philip, is there any chance that you'll make another "Map Making" series? the first one was brilliant and I've learned so much from it.
I went through the frsutrating beginning with Santorini, a map that I absolutely loved and so did everyone I played it with. Wen figured out strats, nades, it was a great time. But then the op ended, it was removed to never be played again. Sometimes we play it 2v2 sometime, but its sad to not be able to properly play it anymore.
Why go through the stress of learning a map thats gonna be gone soon anyway, like you said. Maybe someday my beloved Santorini will return...
What would make me play a new map? A different game.
CS is too goddamn competitive. A more casual game like CoD will benefeit a lot more from a bigger, changing pool of maps.
It's mainly because of how the Competitive mode works. No respawns and a lot of punishment if you don't know what you're doing (which applies to you knowing the map) is infuriating when you try a new map. This is what forces the pros, as you've said, to learn every nook and cranny of dust_2 instead of try out canals, for example.
And annoyingly, this is why tournaments use dust_2 instead of canals. Which also leads to pros learning dust_2. Cause canals doesn't have 500k$ tournaments.
However, Deathmatch and Arms Race are two modes that can benefeit from more maps. Or your prototype "capture points"! Respawns, a more forgiving gameplay, a constant push-and-pull feel, etc. While Competitive is a game of penalty shots in Football, Deathmatch is the entirety of the match.
A quick note to those who are reading this: I'm constantly editing the main comment.
1:11 just look at the chat...... THIS is cs go.
Lyssix Actually eSports in a nutshell.League gives me aids.
m0nius Actually new generations im a nutshell. Culture is fucked up.
John Yang no.
Ace Replays Yes.
i think familiarity plays a part, but also like you said, experience.
first you learn the map itself. then you learn how it plays, meet points, good angles, camp spots, lurk routes etc.
then you learn the nades to counter them, how to take sites, common strats and plays, the meat of the csgo experience.
starting from scratch on a new map is a huge investment of time into something that might just not be as good as mirage.
I play a lot more nuke than anything else.. Purely because I like the play style of the map over others. It's more close quarters and you can really use weapons like smgs and shotguns to their full extent unlike some maps
fluffysquishball where do you live? I'm looking for players who play the less-played maps including nuke..
Marquis from Vanguard has got to be my favourite. Bazaar was also fantastic and of course Season.
yea they looked good but did not play very well
REMAKE PIRANESI
Joe HYPERLUL yes
+1
Would love it and also make mirage remake
Yes please was a beast of a map
Chataue add well
Not being an aim or killbox map is enough for me to play it.
The thing is I like playing other/new maps, but there are some problems.
First, I like being competitive. You talked about the disadvantage of not knowing the map. That happens to me a lot, but not in the same way. Me and my friends that I hopped in a game with know the map pretty well, even some smoke and grenade spots. But the other team doesn't know the map which makes us win 16-3 or even lower rounds for the other teams. That makes us feel like we are playing with bots as the enemy team is running around trying to figure out the map.
Secondly, queue time is pretty long for some maps. In order to play canals with my friends the other day (I am master guardian 1) we waited about 22 minutes in queue, and people didn't even accept the game so we just played dust 2.
Thirdly, if I feel uncomfortable in a map I can never play it even though when I like the design. Like nuke, I can never play it. For me to play a new map I need to feel comfortable, which a map developer can't do, its my problem.
And lastly, as everyone else, I like to focus on a few maps and play them as well as I can. I mainly/mostly play Mirage and Inferno, then Dust2 and Nuke sometimes to try to get good at it. I don't usually play Overpass but other than that I don't play any maps beacuse of the reasons I stated. Its too much effort to put in like Canals call outs and etc. As nobody plays the map and I get an unfair advantage there is no need to waste time.
For me to play a map it needs to be balanced in teamwise(ct sided-t sides wise). Thats it. I don't need anything else to try out a map and like it and keep playing it.
The things you mentioned seemed very very specific from you... the game tries to be flexible so that everyone can play em but... maybe you cant go past inferno and mirage haha
Go Office fuk yeah...
I really wanted to say that lol. But maps with urban settings like office and agency really appeal to me. Would be glad if they somehow make a hostage map part of the competitive scene.
nigga no
SATYAN SINGH lake is a sick map
SATYAN SINGH I agree
I'd play any map Valve throws at us. Though I'd like it to actually recieve changes based on community feedback like Overpass did. As for community maps, I only really play operation maps because I can't ever seem to find good maps on the workshop, all I find are aim maps or stuff like that.
i have been playing dust 2 to get used to the game but i think i may try some new maps later tonight thanks for the video
Nice effects. There’s that old guardian map that has the jet flying overhead - cool stuff like that would bring me back. Yeah it’s not competitive friendly but ah well.
Hey Philip, what course did you do at Warwick? Can't help but ask after seeing MS.01 in one of your videos :D
maths or accounting im pretty sure but i dont remember how i know
The thing you need to play operations maps is basically friends. I loved to play new maps with 4 other people that i knew, becouse it was so funny and we had great time learning the map especialy with multiple funny situations happening becouse of lack of knowledge. If you play with randoms you can get some non-english russians or child griffer and that will make your time a lot worse comparing to normal maps becouse you can easly mute them on dust2 and still play pretty efficient but on new maps, communication is the key to success. My favorite maps from operations are Agency and Zoo
More coverage on channels like yours!
As you said, it's nice to play maps that you know. Having a sense of timings, knowing a few tricks and strategies, and being able to pre-aim angles makes play more fun and satisfying for me.
I always at least try all the operation maps and will continue to play the ones I like. For the most part, I'd say I prefer the simpler maps with less clutter and gimmicks (though these can be alright in moderation). The previous operation I really liked Austria, but I'd say my favourite operation map was Bazaar, which was basically a big ol' Dust2 (if I remember correctly).
Hard to say what would really make me or anyone else continue to play a new map, because it comes down to if you 'like' it or not, which is often a very mysterious feeling.
RIP FeelsBadMan... Vertigo, Militia, Dust 1, Aztec, Italy, Assault :((((((
:´(
Didn't cs_assault get removed as well? lol.
+napjacob Yep. :´(
I'll play new maps just because they are *new*
I think separating a player's skill group by the maps which are officially added on the list could help with better matchmaking and also a separate skill that shows the player's individual skill, by taking such numbers into account maybe we can manage a very balanced matchmaking.
What would make me play new maps? Simple. Hints.
Bullet hole decals to mark a place to check your corners - scorch marks indicating where to line up grenade throws, little nudges to help me find out where to go.
when new maps come out, we're all surprised by how beautiful they are, which is how the maps mainly make it into the operation releases. thats great and all, im all about bringing beauty out of an old engine, but thats simply all the maps are good for. in the current map pool, with the exception of canals, all of the maps dont have much detail or fluff. when playing canals its so easy to not know if youre looking at someone or a wall until the name pops up simply because they blend in. mirage is such a loved map because the player models contrast fairly well with the textures, which gives for great response time and most importantly putting you at fault for getting/not getting a kill. if new maps had familiar layouts (b main, a main, mid, maybe an alt mid, ect) itd be easy to play and learn. canals was the exact opposite of that. mid is, well, i really dont know, bombsites have no fall back positions/good cover, and theres a bunch of meaningless walkways. we need to be able to make adaptive plays and create smokes and pop flashes that dont come out of one specific way.
I would play new maps more if they had unranked 5v5. Thanks for the videos :)
I'd like 'official' call-outs for new maps, like how everyone knows what everything's called on the popular maps. I do know there are names at top of the minimap but they rarely takes everything into consideration.
Also, I'd very much like a bigger incentive to play the lesser played maps, such as higher droprate for cases and even skins.
I'd like to see Season back but overhauled to make it more balanced and create some new innovative plays.
Love you Philip
If the pros are playing them, I'll want to play them. Unless they all hate the map. :p Like you said, it seems Valve or the orgs will need to force new maps upon us.
I think that if Valve fixed casual and made it actually fun for beginner and advanced players it would be much easier for new maps to be played. If players had a mode where they could learn new maps it would be very possible for the active duty group to change over time. Valve began to make changes in the latest update to casual by mixing what used to be the "active" and "reserve" pools. This makes it so any player queuing for casual will have a chance at playing a non-active map. So with this system kept in place and a change to the integrity of casual I think that new maps could be accepted by the community.
Some ways that Valve could improve player's attitude in casual are:
-Matching you with players close to your level but not as close as normal matchmaking
-Placing the 10v10 format into the "war games" section that was added in the recent update
-Give players some kind of minor punishment for leaving such as a 30 min cooldown
-Instead of playing only 1 side to 10 points maybe have it played like wingman and have it be to 9 rounds
Just an idea but I really think this could help
My favorite newer map i've played has to be the foggy forest with multiple spawns. Felt very refreshing.
It was my favorite map too
Insertion has been around for a while though
shatley123 Insersion. And that came out in 2014 so it's not really new
I love insertion, it is such a different map, giving the game a different feel - more sneaky (also knife kills are easy on it)
I think the idea was pretty cool. however, I felt like t's didn't have a chance to feel safe at a spot and relied on luck where the enemies would be. also it relied too much on awp window campers. I would love an idea like this in the future, but perhaps as a defuse map in a more closed in enviroment.
I know It may sound dumb, but a practice mode. Something with callouts written on the map or perhaps the play could say them as you walk there so you could hear it. Then make walls you cant shoot though make a funny noise when shot.
Maybe best of 6 with a side swap on round 3 and tie on 3,3. Then you would know the callouts, the bangable walls, and you wouldn't have it instalock the winingest side to practice it.
i actually love trying out new maps and learning their layout instead of playing the old ones for exemple i've played a lot of insertion in the last operation much more than i played all maps that weren't in the operation combined
I need milita, assault and aztec for memetic purposes! Valve pls fix
I WANT AZTEC BACK! ;-;
Ofc hubcush rip aztec❤
Italy too!
Aztec is gone?
Ofc hubcush you can download aztec and put it in the map folder
Aztec is the most original map ive ever seen. Too bad 89 % of the community SoloQ DustII
Hey klicks I have I question for you. Do the player models stay always the same for player in mm or do they change every round.
Hey philip, when I play mirage CT and I want to pop the vent going from spawn to window, it happens very often that after I shoot it, I can clearly see my bullethole on it but it doesnt pop. Do you have any idea why this happens? Happens mostly when you hit it around the top left corner of that vent blocking the hole.
3kliksphilosophy
Dad making a video about what would make us play new maps is the answer.
I love playing new maps, its pretty much my favourite thing to do. I miss insertion, that was a fantastic map. Need more new maps like it. My queue list is nuke, canals and agency. Used to have militia on there.
i don't even play csgo, but i like your videos..they are informative, and i like to know about exploits and strategys, so i watch your videos
I actually find it a lot of fun learning new maps. But the maps of the last few operations felt like tdm focused maps. Cache once was an operation map as well and its great.
@3kliksphilip why does the usp-s sound for the gambit-fnatic match sound like the usp instead of usp-s? glitch?
Season was quite popular , and was longtime member of faceit mappool .... i think it was just a simple map and therefore more likely to play competetive than e.g. vertigo
I'll play maps that have been tweaked from the competitive map pool right now. Like if someone changed nuke and cobble to test out I would love to play it.
I loved csgo, then it got repetitive and felt like every round started and ended the same way. Me screaming Cyka Blaaaaaat, and me dying a shit ton. Havn't booted the game up in weeks. I want new maps to switch it up
I have 2, not proud of it but nevertheless
browse community servers :p
or just find fun in other games :)
Thanks for the suggestions man!
Thats every competitive game in existence.League plays the same map,yet no one complains.
I loved all the maps like Aztec and militia that no one ever played, whenever community maps or operations come out, I always find myself playing the new maps rather than the old ones, and I usually like them more, even now, I mostly play office and agency
Something that I think would make me personally play more of not only new maps, but CSGO in general, is a competitive game mode with fewer rounds. I imagine this would be possible if they rebalanced all the equipment costs, cash rewards for winning/losing/killing and stuff. This would result in shorter matches which makes would make me play more, because I don't want to be stuck on the same map for such a long time when I just want to "play a round of CS".
The shorter matches would also mean I'd be more comfortable trying out unfamiliar maps, because unbalanced matches would be less of a pain to sit through.
i play the same maps not becouse i love them so much, i play´em bc my friends like to play them. I´d love to play new ones, community or Valve made, but the time you have to wait is mostly really long and you choose a map where you just have to search for a few seconds.
I love every maps to be honest,I go to the workshop every month to search some news interestings maps to play it with my friends.In MM I play all competitive map,depend times (sometimes I'm good on such map and an another day I'm feeling more confident on an another one),but when we want to play for fun we used to play on Vertigo or any "uncompetitive" map.And to be honest I love when a new operation comes on cause there is some intersting maps to discover and unlikeky as Vertigo,Aztec,Assault or any "uncompetitive" permanent maps (who have been retired) sometimes there're some good potential competitive map where you could see one action from Coldzera.Unfortunately I missed the best era of OP map cause I play since 2014 only ,but I noticed some good map,like "Log".but I still don't understand why they removed "Season" which was even play in Online pro games and which has been remastered.This map was awsome...Same for Tuscan,many pros miss Tuscan and un remastered and a new chance would be insane for this map (by the way this is not really a new map but It would add something fresh).By the way If valve wants to test new maps thay can count on me.But I just wanna say that playing on unconventionnal map doesn't deprive me to be good and knowing stuff and Overpass,Mirage or Inferno for example,just man stop play only dust 2,you can learn more about the game from others competitives map ;)
Sorry for my bad english but as a French I try my best ^^'
Hydroxi HS you did good
Hydroxi HS if you would like to talk about maybe helping me out with testing some maps starting to learn how and have made the first with minimal prettiness to it and more functionality for now till i get one really good one but im looking for a group
Community tournaments(kind of like how epic games has creator codes) the map maker would have to be verified, they could start a tournament and choose a verified community map and the winner gets a skin from a case or something , I feel like that would make people try new maps
this video made me excited about canals again. I always liked the map and thought it was really cool with lots of potential but none of my friends ever want to play it with me lol
Kaeda your location? maybe we might queue together someday
US east steam id is /kaedaa
we need tuscan and season ffs
they dont have the copyright for tuscan so u will never play it again
Reward players for playing new maps.
That's possibly all that's needed.
I play old maps because I've given the effort to learn them, and I don't want that effort to be in vain. But once, every map was new for me. And I'd play it simply because it was new and I enjoy different experiences sometimes, that's also why I play new maps, because they're new and I want to see if I will like it.
Nice to watch it now
if I played CS:GO. I just watch your videos now
I've moved to RS Siege.
Csgo is great, i'd recommend
I already played it before. Its just not fun anymore.
SlimeNRG if it was never fun why were you playing it in the first place
Mystical Sheep
csgo is trash
All the maps we love such as Dust 2, Mirage, Inferno, Overpass and Cache have a simple layout but are yet very complex. I personally feel like the maps needs to be suitable for a competetive environment; require alot of teamplay and tactics. Smoke strats are important imo and all the maps we love are great for smoke strats and exploding onto a site. Maps such as Aztec, Vertigo and Canals don't have that same competetive feel with the smoke strats
whats ur name again?
dulepop it' Hugh Mungus
There is nothing competitive about dust 2 it's good cause it's shoved on your face by the community
Edwa Kol Well smoke strats might not be as effective on B cuz of the closed skybox. However still a good competetive map imo (not my favorite tho), perfect layout for cs
but im serious, like, really f*cken serisous...
if you don't wall me to report you for violating yutub rules, just tell me your name!!!
1:00 I played Office once and had a great time! It might of been a one time thing but idk, it seems like a great map.
This is a very old video, but I still like to think about it from time to time. I think what keeps ME from playing new maps is similar to yours. I'm not very good at CS, so I think my time would be better spent on the maps that I play with my friends all the time so I can get better and become a better teammate. But now, I'm going to give new maps a chance, at least in botmatches to learn the layout a bit and try something different. The new(as of Operation Riptide) Wingman map, Ravine, was great fun when I played it for one of the missions. I think it works...some of the time. With Broken Fang, they got too overzealous with Ancient and most of the people I talk to say that it was pushed too hard in that Operation and that they now avoid it. It's a balancing act and I believe Valve is getting close to perfection.
Although, they're still trying to force Danger Zone down our throats with those missions even though to do the missions, you need to be on a specific map. But if it isn't in the rotation or you failed to complete the mission, then you have to wait for it to rotate around again. I feel like they should probably have a look at that and either allow players to queue for the map they want, or make missions apply to all maps. But now I'm getting away from the initial point. I digress.
If I am being honest here, theres nothing that going to get me to play a new map if I know that if I play it I'll lose because other people might know it already, but a loss isn't the actual deterrent, it's the fact that you might derank or get closer dranking if you do lose. The obvious solution to this is, and I've been advocating for this for years, an unranked matchmaking alternative. A proper 5v5 with all the penalties of comp except for the elo loss or gain. This would also lower A lot of the toxicity thats associated with csgo.