Before the Web: The 1980s Dream of a Free and Borderless Virtual World (Pt.1)

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @MichaelMillerGR
    @MichaelMillerGR 4 роки тому +54

    Rest in peace Phil. I only just found out you existed. We are still working on this vision. Soon enough, it will be a reality.

    • @infidelapostate3094
      @infidelapostate3094 4 роки тому +2

      Phil Zimmerman has been an unsung _American Hero_ that only us old nerds remember & revere.
      _Welcome to the Club._ 👍🏼

    • @gto433
      @gto433 4 роки тому +1

      @@infidelapostate3094 Phil Salin is a different person I believe

    • @nullsec3900
      @nullsec3900 4 роки тому

      Decentralization and anonymity: a reality already. :)
      Common people just need learn use the specific tools

    • @remy333
      @remy333 3 роки тому

      @@infidelapostate3094 late to this video and comment but couldn’t agree more. We are lucky to have shared a slice of human history with such a great.

  • @dennouvelle7524
    @dennouvelle7524 2 роки тому +1

    Those cypherpunks have some massive BALLS. I salute you, gentleman!

  • @ThePocketbass
    @ThePocketbass 4 роки тому +14

    This is Reason at it's best.

  • @DavidCooper71
    @DavidCooper71 4 роки тому +35

    can't wait for part 2

    • @huntrrams
      @huntrrams 4 роки тому +1

      same! This reminds me of the tv show halt and catch fire

  • @namuzed
    @namuzed 4 роки тому +125

    Trying to explain pre-2000 web to Gen-Z makes me feel like a grandpa

    • @TwoDollarGararge
      @TwoDollarGararge 4 роки тому +1

      How is it compared to late 2008 internet

    • @namuzed
      @namuzed 4 роки тому +12

      @@TwoDollarGararge By the late 2000's you were already seeing a big decline in anonymity, with Google and FB accounts connecting to other websites. Also the web was clustering around several major sites rather than feeling like an interconnected network of sites, the old internet kind of felt like being on Wikipedia.
      I think the biggest thing was that rather than social profiles, people just straight-up had their own websites (with a seriously amateur feel).

    • @aussie2uGA
      @aussie2uGA 4 роки тому +3

      I still have a couple boxes full of AOL and Compuserve floppies they handed out back then.

    • @nastyheretic4240
      @nastyheretic4240 4 роки тому

      @Kristian Kalinkina Yup, and went down further since the passage of the FOSTA act.

  • @rockabluesy60
    @rockabluesy60 4 роки тому +1

    people that builds this tech are the true hero of modern technology. this is the ground and base of many technologies that we could enjoy and maybe "affordable" to wide range of social classes, and thats what made us today, more information, less efforts, sure it has big risks but because of it, we are developing many new "thing" and that includes new inventor.
    Respect, sir!

  • @FuzzyLogicxxx
    @FuzzyLogicxxx 4 роки тому +3

    This series is the reason why I subscribed to this channel.

  • @clucasism
    @clucasism 3 роки тому +1

    If ReasonTV doesn't make Pt.2 I'm going to freak out and make my own.

  • @Bozar069
    @Bozar069 4 роки тому +93

    Unfortunatly we went the 1984 way.

    • @droptozro
      @droptozro 4 роки тому +9

      Yep. I only read/listened to that book about a year or so ago for the first time and it's frightening. Stupid idiots in society actually think this way is good and they're in the mainstream now. I honestly fear them and am concerned for the future of society as a whole.

    • @lucifer2b666
      @lucifer2b666 4 роки тому +2

      Dark web is the free market of ideas and goods/services and the main web is the 1984 oppressive place.

    • @Bozar069
      @Bozar069 4 роки тому +1

      @@lucifer2b666 The dark web is funded by the US Government too.

    • @fuqupal
      @fuqupal 4 роки тому +2

      Did you really expect anything else when the public are easily misled, egotistical sheep and not vigilant, well- informed critical thinkers??

    • @fuqupal
      @fuqupal 4 роки тому

      @@droptozro duck duck go new world order and agenda 2030.
      See the big picture.
      Duck duck go transhumanism and project bluebeam... see the even bigger picture

  • @AvelinoMorganti
    @AvelinoMorganti 4 роки тому +3

    Wonderful tribute to Phil, Tim May and so many other cypherpunks.

  • @fearthehoneybadger
    @fearthehoneybadger 4 роки тому +54

    The Internet has been a godsend for those of us who love to send anonymous insults.

    • @boomerisadog3899
      @boomerisadog3899 4 роки тому +3

      Whatever you do, don't send anything from Europe.

    • @perrywidhalm114
      @perrywidhalm114 4 роки тому +1

      YES!

    • @efisgpr
      @efisgpr 4 роки тому +1

      LMAO

    • @Kabodanki
      @Kabodanki 4 роки тому +2

      @@boomerisadog3899 Europe are trying to put censorship rules. In france lately they tried to put law to force platform to take down content that is fatphobic, that broadly make fun of people because of their appearance (not talking about racism or else, you insult someone that he has a big lips, you are done). this law was taken down. But now they want to put it at the Europe level.

    • @icecreamforcrowhurst
      @icecreamforcrowhurst 4 роки тому

      Yeah? Well screw you! .... :)

  • @testriot
    @testriot 4 роки тому

    This is going to be an excellent series. Awesome job Jim!

  • @jeffersonianideal
    @jeffersonianideal 4 роки тому +21

    Promises, promises.

  • @Winter_337
    @Winter_337 4 роки тому

    Great start to a new series. Excited to see it continue!

  • @friedrich7891
    @friedrich7891 4 роки тому

    Great video!
    The illustrations are really good as well!

  • @3six933
    @3six933 Рік тому +1

    wheres part 2?

  • @DanielWoike
    @DanielWoike 4 роки тому +5

    I love this combination of technology and libertarianism. Are you going to mention that the person who started Wikipedia was inspired from when he went to the Mises Institute and was given a book by Hayek?
    This film couldn't be more geeky. Lol.

    • @DanielWoike
      @DanielWoike 4 роки тому

      @some bloke O I don't disagree. I am talking about the whole idea of it, not what it is in its current form. But more the idea of a wiki.

  • @TamasKalman
    @TamasKalman 4 роки тому

    this is great - looking forward for the second part.

  • @Printed_Riffs
    @Printed_Riffs 4 роки тому +5

    Can I get these videos anywhere besides UA-cam? I'd like a backup source for when it's declared to be against "community standards" 💀

    • @slivkmorestopit8567
      @slivkmorestopit8567 3 роки тому

      yes, your hard drive

    • @prana6854
      @prana6854 3 роки тому

      IPFS, youtube's alternatives (who are decentralised by design).

  • @samueltubb7931
    @samueltubb7931 4 роки тому

    Looks like an awesome series for Reason to do

  • @southerncomfort8070
    @southerncomfort8070 4 роки тому

    As a computer programmer in the 70s I find this very interesting. Great job!!

    • @icecreamforcrowhurst
      @icecreamforcrowhurst 4 роки тому

      Wait, they had computers on the 1970’s lol

    • @southerncomfort8070
      @southerncomfort8070 4 роки тому

      icecreamforcrowhurst hahahaha. Yes. They were as big as a house but 😂 lol yeah

  • @droptozro
    @droptozro 4 роки тому +2

    Showing this to my kids. I can't believe I remember playing games on floppy disks(the larger ones) and then eventually the smaller ones... then CD-ROMs... and now they're almost all obsolete. This was only 30 years ago. I still remember the internet first coming to our house and how excited I was to play a game online with a friend down the street. It was phenomenal. Now it's just the norm. So much has changed so quickly. I know this isn't the point of the video but it still amazes me how much has changed in tech in my short 34 years of life.

  • @loufancelli1330
    @loufancelli1330 4 роки тому +3

    Very unique and interesting perspective on the origins of the online universe. Most pieces focus on the technological aspect, but this is a great perspective, that only Reason would even think to undertake. Looking forward to the next 3 installments!

  • @SolzheBitsyn
    @SolzheBitsyn 2 роки тому

    how does this only have 50,000 views

  • @scottn7cy
    @scottn7cy 3 роки тому +2

    Fast forward to 2021 and all their darkest fears have become reality.

  • @MrMiemaakz
    @MrMiemaakz 4 роки тому

    Interesting staff.. Waiting for #2

  • @stevegallant3395
    @stevegallant3395 3 роки тому

    I am so glad I grew up without social media. I graduated in 93

  • @HylanderSB
    @HylanderSB 4 роки тому +10

    Your scary thought for the day: Once quantum computing is fully developed, conventional cryptography will become obsolete and only universities and governments will have them at first and possibly ever. There are other ways to encrypt data possible but nothing developed yet. What will happen when that day comes?

    • @HylanderSB
      @HylanderSB 4 роки тому

      Tikoblocks I think quantum computing is inevitable at this point. How can it be stopped?

    • @ardenfernandes1763
      @ardenfernandes1763 4 роки тому +1

      Quantum Cryptography ?

    • @HylanderSB
      @HylanderSB 4 роки тому +1

      Johnathan Johnson As Arden Fernandez suggests, quantum cryptography is probably the only answer. BUT...who will have access to these machines? Not you and me. The cypherpunk movement is about putting cryptography in the hands of EVERYONE. Quantum computing is an opportunity to reverse that if the public is denied access to the technology. When I say ‘we’ I bet a lot of people think ‘nations’ and in that context, there’s less to worry about. The problem is the greater ‘we’ isn’t part of that.

    • @charlesbrightman4237
      @charlesbrightman4237 4 роки тому

      If an AI discovers that life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things, will it commit suicide if it is able to do so?

    • @HylanderSB
      @HylanderSB 4 роки тому

      Charles Brightman Hand it a copy of Camus and it will be fine.

  • @Arms1234
    @Arms1234 4 роки тому +4

    I loved the 90s internet.

  • @sjatkins
    @sjatkins 2 роки тому

    Anarchy - without government - is required for truly free markets. They are not at all opposed from each other although it is true that Hayek didn't thoroughly see this.

  • @fellowgamer5363
    @fellowgamer5363 3 роки тому

    9:50 This man came up with blockchain technology 30 years before bitcoin made it a reality. Truly a forward thinker.

  • @DPK365
    @DPK365 4 роки тому

    Very cool.....this looks good!

  • @ttkddry
    @ttkddry 4 роки тому +1

    Next episode is ua-cam.com/video/n4qonsvSgAg/v-deo.html Cryptography vs. Big Brother: How Math Became a Weapon Against Tyranny

  • @motnosniv
    @motnosniv 4 роки тому +2

    Seemed like a good idea at the time.

  • @LTM100123
    @LTM100123 6 місяців тому +1

    Well, Phil's head is currently cryogenically frozen, so we can still bring him back in the future, I guess.

  • @williamrichards5241
    @williamrichards5241 4 роки тому +1

    We must take our rights back through peaceful means such as software, groups, business, charity, moving.

  • @nathanroos4143
    @nathanroos4143 4 роки тому

    How interesting. Both theories are correct. (How I see it today, both predictions have come true.)

  • @johndunham9236
    @johndunham9236 4 роки тому +5

    I am really excited to see what the rest of the series turns out to be. Great aesthetics, awesome content.
    The part where they described the power of the PC to transform societal movements was a bitter-sweet moment. Yes, we have more tools, but on serious matters of the people versus society, the societal tide has shifted against liberty and toward Huxleyan self-suppression and hedonism.
    But, as with almost everything in life, its up to us to use it wisely. #cryptoanarchy

  • @juandiego9108
    @juandiego9108 4 роки тому

    When the other chapters?

  • @berta5514
    @berta5514 4 роки тому

    Köszönöm.

  • @LukeMikic21
    @LukeMikic21 4 роки тому +1

    Bitcoin is the culmination of all the hard work done by these revolutionary great minds from the 80s and 90s, AMAZING video !!

    • @justincale119
      @justincale119 4 роки тому +1

      No. Bitcoin is a bubble.

    • @jamesjacob9632
      @jamesjacob9632 4 роки тому +4

      @@justincale119 Fiat is a bubble. Bitcoin is the real money

    • @justincale119
      @justincale119 4 роки тому +1

      @@jamesjacob9632 bitcoin shadows (follows) the stock market bubble.

  • @boomerisadog3899
    @boomerisadog3899 4 роки тому +5

    Oh my. How far we have fallen.

    • @perrywidhalm114
      @perrywidhalm114 4 роки тому +3

      Nah .... civilized society was always a mess and always will be a mess.

  • @mateusnds
    @mateusnds 4 роки тому

    Initial song name?

  • @headphonezen7155
    @headphonezen7155 4 роки тому

    Incredible!

  • @DavidFriedman1
    @DavidFriedman1 4 роки тому +1

    Good piece.

  • @regrote
    @regrote 4 роки тому

    Great recent history!

  • @jacksoncarlos4574
    @jacksoncarlos4574 4 роки тому

    Incredible

  • @schonsospaet22
    @schonsospaet22 3 роки тому

    They should print Dr. A. Friedrich Hayek on the bank notes ;-D

  • @DrYahtzeeFish
    @DrYahtzeeFish 4 роки тому

    What is Phil's name? Phil Saylen?

  • @chrissnyder2091
    @chrissnyder2091 4 роки тому

    The goals of the Hyakians and the anarchists are not mutually exclusive. A synthesis of the two philosophies is the road to freedom and liberty and choice.

  • @perrywidhalm114
    @perrywidhalm114 4 роки тому +4

    Unlimited information without meaningful action is useless .... pointless. Same goes for possessing knowledge without experience, it will not yield wisdom.

    • @davidlewis6728
      @davidlewis6728 4 роки тому +1

      useless and pointless are two different things. wisdom can be gained through knowledge, but few are patient enough nowadays to do so.

    • @davidlewis6728
      @davidlewis6728 4 роки тому

      @some bloke you didn't get the gist of my first point. he used the words interchangeably, but the difference is actually another reason what followed was incorrect. if you gained wisdom without the ability to act on that wisdom, it might be useless, but it would not be pointless.
      also, i have aspergers, so my mind might be closer to the whole "computers that only understand syntax" part.

  • @cbraker2
    @cbraker2 4 роки тому +13

    Fake news...nowhere did I hear Al Gore's name mentioned once!

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 4 роки тому

    Title says 1980s, thumbnail shows 1970s (Commodore / CBM PET).

    • @antimattercarp2720
      @antimattercarp2720 4 роки тому

      Not everyone has the latest and greatest.

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 роки тому

      @@antimattercarp2720 Yeah, but that one never really penetrated or targeted the home microcomputer market even for users on obsolete equipment. They called the company "Commodore Business Machines" back then because that was their target market. It also predates IBM's PC ("Personal Computer" AKA "home microcomputer"). Atari 400/800 and Apple II were the home micros of that era and Commodore didn't even try until the VIC-20 (1980). It's just the wrong one to show for 1980s home hackers since virtually none of them were using it. VIC-20, Commodore 64, or Amiga (all from Commodore) would've made WAY more sense than a '70s machine that never had any notable adoption among 1980s home users.
      No biggie. Just nerding out about microcomputer history over here. :)

  • @dabs1372
    @dabs1372 4 роки тому +1

    Bitcoins origins

  • @cesaraugustorodrigue
    @cesaraugustorodrigue 4 роки тому

    Video mantido na zeronet.io/
    Cypherpunks p1 de p4 - Os Hayekianos de Alta Tecnologia Leg
    127.0.0.1:43110/15GACn5cumjT2RsN7NjfnUYuM2a96xN5aD/?Video=1603697389_1JE8S4ttASQABNBq1cW5BhCzxo76kEUKnM

  • @haykakancryptodprots
    @haykakancryptodprots 4 роки тому

    Bravo! Incredibly good.

  • @yernarkin
    @yernarkin 3 роки тому

    they now say that cryptocurrency is a threat of national security... the history is indeed cyclical

  • @degenlearns4006
    @degenlearns4006 3 роки тому

    Why hayek and not rothbard?

  • @mutexnet
    @mutexnet 4 роки тому

    Well done.

  • @stimublu8570
    @stimublu8570 3 роки тому

    Well, bureau of truth we go.

  • @frankjoy2455
    @frankjoy2455 9 місяців тому

    great days...unfortunately they did not foresee that the System in the shadows would break their dream and that control of society would become the new way of sheeping

  • @franciscosamir5256
    @franciscosamir5256 3 роки тому +1

    We need to remove the intermediary

  • @GeekIWG
    @GeekIWG 4 роки тому

    And then we got centralized networks such as Facebook, Twitter, Google, and UA-cam.

    • @GeekIWG
      @GeekIWG 4 роки тому

      @@razorsyntax Well, yes, but I'm specifically taking about what most people choose to use.

    • @ardenfernandes1763
      @ardenfernandes1763 4 роки тому +2

      @@GeekIWG Hopefully more people flock to the decentralised networks in the future , if not there's always the dark web.

  • @s0nnyburnett
    @s0nnyburnett 4 роки тому

    It's called a dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
    I wish there was an undo button for the internet and television. I would not miss them or the social destruction and intellectual rot they have caused.

    • @contacthackerchrs88onteleg75
      @contacthackerchrs88onteleg75 4 роки тому

      If not that i was recommended to hackerchris88@gmail. com I would have died in debt 😔 because 8 was scammed here, twice yesterday before I received 5btc from hackerchris88@gmail. com today

  • @pikminlord343
    @pikminlord343 4 роки тому

    good run down

  • @jred7
    @jred7 4 роки тому

    9:15 lol!

    • @katenelson1306
      @katenelson1306 4 роки тому

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  • @christianhamir3284
    @christianhamir3284 2 роки тому

    Thanks to Blockchain I’m here

  • @joaodecarvalho7012
    @joaodecarvalho7012 4 роки тому

    I am used to the dogmatic views of the left, but I have never seen dogmatic libertarians before. These people are just as religious as the left.

  • @davidepstein06
    @davidepstein06 4 роки тому +2

    BUY BITCOIN (& ETHEREUM)

  • @jefferyorton1723
    @jefferyorton1723 4 роки тому +3

    Humanity has become enslaved by the Internet. The end.

    • @LM01234
      @LM01234 4 роки тому

      It really is the end

    • @TonyRios
      @TonyRios 4 роки тому +3

      I learned so much online. It can be a tool for good and bad. Don't be scared

    • @jefferyorton1723
      @jefferyorton1723 4 роки тому +1

      @@LM01234 yup. The Matrix is real. Lol

    • @jefferyorton1723
      @jefferyorton1723 4 роки тому

      @@TonyRios but if you do nothing with it, it means nothing. It was just a way to spend your time. What will you do with what you have learned?

    • @TonyRios
      @TonyRios 4 роки тому

      @@jefferyorton1723 I'm a mechanical engineer now.

  • @Baamthe25th
    @Baamthe25th 4 роки тому

    I could listen to a long form interview of Gayle Pergamit

  • @QuillOfEarth
    @QuillOfEarth 4 роки тому +2

    I like to make werewolf movies

  • @liuzhen2008
    @liuzhen2008 4 роки тому

    Buy bitcorn

    • @gloriajohnson4687
      @gloriajohnson4687 4 роки тому

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    • @contacthackerchrs88onteleg75
      @contacthackerchrs88onteleg75 4 роки тому

      If not that i was recommended to hackerchris88@gmail. com I would have died in debt 😔 because 8 was scammed here, twice yesterday before I received 5btc from hackerchris88@gmail. com today

    • @katenelson1306
      @katenelson1306 4 роки тому

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  • @noanyobiseniss7462
    @noanyobiseniss7462 4 роки тому +1

    W0rd

  • @dhirajbari9690
    @dhirajbari9690 Рік тому

    summerofbitcoin

    • @3six933
      @3six933 Рік тому

      summer of Monero