Catchers blocking the plate was perfectly legal at the major league level until 2014, as long as they either had the ball or the ball was being thrown to them. Runners doing whatever it takes to get past the catcher block the plate in order to tag home plate and score, was also legal, not considered a dirty play by either player for most of the history of baseball.
@@Glum1964 Problem there was that they were taking it too far, so the SS or 2B would get the ball and would be 3' away from the bag after the force out and the runner would slide into them.
That's how the game was taught and played. Check out how they slide into bases in the 20-30's. You'd call these, clean slides. The game evolves but saying these are dirty based on today's standards is wrong!
@Ken Wesaw As soon as I read the title to this video, I wondered how many clips would involve Machado. I've been waiting for years for a 1st baseman to finally lose his patience and beat Machado's nose flat after Machado has tried yet again to break the other player's ankle.
Even though Pedroia refused to call out his "friends'" dirty, career ending shot... Most Boston fans expect whoever is pitching, should we face Machado on the field again, to bean him.
People that never played the game have no idea how much contact there is on the bases and at home plate. I started playing in 1960s and we all had steel spikes. I was taught how to go high with my spikes on a slide into 2d or 3d base to take out the other player. I played 3d base and catcher. I was taught how to block the plate and drop the hammer on a runner trying to come home. Use the shin guards and the catcher's mitt was a weapon to deal out punishment. The game was much different back then, way more aggression.
Nah, even for that era it was dirty. Dude didn't even try to slide. You had to at least try to slide, but instead McCray just flat out hip checked him.
@@Banzai51 "You had to at least try to slide" Says who? Show me in the rule back then that you had to slide? You NEVER have to slide. At least those were the rules back then.
@@WackJallis i mostly agree. but, if you make a genuine slide and happen to up end the fielder, im ok with that. but both of McRaes plays were _o b v i o u s_ the bag was *not his intent.*
@@googoo-gjoob after a genuine slide, the runner would be on the base, not upending the fielder. That kind of play came about as players in the old days would take advantage of ambiguity of whether they were trying to get to the base or trying to interfere with the fielder. Umpires were reluctant to call it, despite it always being against the rules to deliberately try and interfere with a fielder, just like they were reluctant to toss pitchers for throwing at batters until after they'd warned both sides. To me, baseball has always had a real problem with a 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying' attitude. Honor, sportsmanship, and being a positive role model for children are never as important as winning.
Right? The image of him standing on second with his hands on his head looking like a child covered in chocolate syrup denying it was him makes me laugh every time.
@@CrescentRollCarl Because no one has a clearer view of the play than the guy running for third, with Arroyo standing in his line of sight. 😝 Respect the irrational Jeter hatted, but that's a stretch.
I’ve seen people dodge leg breaking slides at 2nd base a couple of times . In soccer the slides would not just net you a red ( extremely dangerous play) it’d be career suspension because straight foot cleats out will 110 % shatter the leg Ie Eduardo’s open fracture in arsenal vs Birmingham.. his bone was out from a square cleats out slide., just think your leg is locked into the ground with cleats and a side kick slide is breaking your leg
As a baseball fan for almost sixty years, I would add that a play can be "legal" and "dirty". A lot of 'tough guys' afflicted with restorative nostalgia like to think otherwise.
Baseball has evolved just like football. The stuff you could do or get away with 30 years ago is just mind blowing today. But the one thing I scratch my head at in todays baseball are the "unwritten rules".
@@patpat8727 No, not better. It was meant to be played hard and with aggression. It was not meant to be watered down by the squeamish and the weak. Buster Posey is a weenie, and we didn't need a rule to make everyone else one, too.
Yes, Rose was unapologetic. Watch it again. He started to slide but Fosse didn't budge. Fosse expected Rose to dive head first into planted cleats. Or expected a chunky Rose to juke in the middle of a full sprint. Neither was gonna happen.
And still should be. You know how to keep from getting erased at second base? You drill the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he doesn't slide.
I kinda miss those plays at 2nd base where they used to be able to take out the fielder. I can see why they were eliminated though. It would have been cool to include the Chase Utley slide that single handedly ended those types of plays.
The rule needed to be changed. You're so vulnerable when throwing, and 2 basemen were getting injured too much. It's one thing to knock a guy off the throw to 1st, but when it becomes part of the game plan to crack ribs or break knees to break up a play, it needs to change. That's not in the spirit of baseball.
@@chipcrayton If you need to see collisions in order to watch baseball, you were never a baseball fan to begin with. Go watch football. There's so much more to baseball than players running into each other.
2:58 no highly competitive person considers this play dirty. ray shouldn't have been blocking the plate up the baseline with no ball if he didn't want to get trucked.
@@colyhope6467 Fosse was positioned three feet in front of home. That's why the tackle slide was such an important part of the game. Fair to say that it's too risky to the catcher to allow that kind of slide - that's why they changed the rules - but it was the behavior of catchers like Fosse that created the need for that kind of silde. Because if Fosse had gotten the ball half a second earlier, he would have squared up to Rose, dropped his shoulder, and laid him out.
If you think anything in that video was dirty (with exception of MM and Albert) you are part of the woke problem with baseball today. They used to sharpen their spikes so they could cut people when they slid into bases. It was all part of the game and acceptable. Breaking up a double play was expected, now they have to slide at the 80’ mark so they don’t touch the middle infielders. It’s worse than the NFFL (National Flag Football League) formerly known as the NFL…
@@utgreenheadthe fact that you used the term "woke" to describe baseball is ridiculous.. get your head out of your ass and your eyes off of Fox News and take a nice walk outside for once.
Shame about the gambling stuff. Quite frankly the fact he only bet on his own teams has never once bothered me. It's one thing to bet against yourself and then throw the game, but betting only on yourself to win? I mean who gives a shit 🙄 dude is all-time and nothing will ever change that... At least until someone breaks his hits record.
@@Mr_Jish I agree with you for the most part but.... Part of the argument about betting on his team to win is that the games he did NOT bet them to win... He may have not managed in the same fashion if he did not have money riding.
@@billrobertson5895 Gambling on games, even if you are betting on your team to win, leave the gambler open to blackmail if he becomes indebted to bookies. That is why it is against the rules for a player or manager to bet on ANY game. And betting on your team to win one game but not on a second game is the equivalent of betting on your team to lose the second game.
Dick Green getting taken out was not a dirty play. It was expected in that era. McRae asked him if he was okay afterwards. Rose on Fosse in an All-Star game was just ridiculous. Fosse was never the same after that play.
Not gonna lie, never personally seen this clip and I have played some baseball in my time. Definitely looks like there should have been some sort of repercussions for that hit. Some things in sports just slide I suppose
The Pete Rose one is a joke...Fosse blocks the plate as Rose is getting ready to slide.....Pete Rose made the right move, Fosse made a blunder that cost himself an injury....
Totally disagree. gods did not block the plate. Also, Rose made effort to knock Foss out. Did I mention that was an all star game? As in meaningless? That play messed up Fosse’s fingers for the rest of his life. It certainly cause Fosse to retire. But “that’s how it was”, right?
Some of these older clips are from a time when that was just how the game was played. Good they changed the rules but it’s hard to fault players for playing to win.
@@brianf8076 did not know that. That explains it. He must have been a beast because no one came to retaliate against him for leveling that guy. Thanks for the full story!
How could this video leave out one of the dirtiest plays in baseball history? The Chase Utley slide into second base against the Mets in the playoffs was one of the worst plays ever.
Base runners learned never to slide hard against Billy Martin. He would low throw past your head. One throw did hit a runner in the face resulting in broken bones.
You should find videos of the game back in Ty Cobbs day. When they would sharpen their cleats and slide in cleats up high. The slides at second in this video, back then weren't dirty, that was how you were taught to break up the double play.
@@devlinjointz4754 you don't create a rule if it was a clean play, utley was a dirty player most of his career and that was an intentionally dirty play with full intent to do harm.
@@brianemerich2524 its a clean play because there was no rule. Utley said his intention was to break up the double play. Which he did. Unless you can read minds you cant argue otherwise.
That Pete Rose play is overblown. The guy was trying to score and the catcher was in the way, the runner should be allowed to do that, I miss old school baseball
@@krolik1157 so don’t get in the runner’s way? You play hard the whole game, or that’s how it’s supposed to be. Never want anyone to get hurt, but we shouldn’t make the game soft to prevent it
@@10Peter25 well then practically everybody that played the game at that time would disagree. The goal of the runner was to break up the double play and help their team win. Do you have any evidence, at that time, getting injured from such a play?
@nicholastrudeau7581 Then everyone was a dirty baserunner back then. I'm familiar enough with the way baseball was played in Hal McRae's day to know two things. 1. You're exaggerating quite a bit. 2. Hal McRae had the reputation even by the standards of his day of being a dirty baserunner.
Yeah it was at the time, the ruling didn’t change until after Chase Utley took out Ruben Tejada in the 2015 NLDS. Now the ruling is the runner has to make an attempt to aim for the plate when sliding to break up a double play
The 30 years or so between Yankee dynasties (1965 to the early ‘90s) was a great era for baseball. They may have built a lot of ugly ballparks, but great baseball was played, and smaller cities put up some really good teams.
Even though it's proven he never bet on a game he was involved with. Yup, keep that delusional world you live in alive. I'll break it down in 2 seconds.
That last play was not dirty at all. Please. Fosse was in the baseline, blocking home plate WITHOUT the ball. And Rose tried to check on him after the player. Rose also slowed down and practically stumbled into him when he could have gone full steam and knocked him 30-yards into tomorrow.
@@DC-op8fs *they’re* Learn to recognize sarcasm in life. Also, learn the fucking difference between there, their and they’re. My 8 year old granddaughter knows the difference for fucks sake.
The Pete Rose play at home was a legitimate play, the catcher was blocking the plate. The others, especially the two take downs at second base, were pretty 💩y. The two take downs at second should have been called as interference and the runner at first called out and any other runners that advanced sent back to their original bag.
I'm with you. I get so sick and tired of these pansy-asses, who never played, saying plays like this are wrong. When a catcher blocks the plate, he does so at his own risk and they DAMN WELL know it. They KNOW the consequences. If you're calling this play dirty, you're nothing but a dumbass.
Baseball has had 'dirty players' since the very first game. Playing a 'clean game' is the antithesis of the type of game played by Ty Cobb, Albert Bell, A-Rod, Niekro and the famous Pete Rose. Of course, a lot of players from the past and even to the present have the attitude of 'win at any cost' and the fans are right there with that. I think that, short of shooting your opponent, almost anything goes. Going to an MLB and NFL game must be like going to the gladiator games in Rome.
How did A-Rods swatting a ball out of a glove end up in "Dirtiest Plays Ever". Regardless of what you think about the play... I don't think it belongs in this video.
I have no sympathy for the catcher blocking the base without the ball. It's his own fault he got his shoulder separated. Don't stand on the baseline and block the plate without the ball if you don't want to get run over. Simple as that.
Albert Belle play wasnt dirty. He was a fool for standing in base path. Pete Rose was only dirty because I believe that was all star game. Im pretty sure youre allowed to slide through second on a force with little discretion. Most of these are just part of the game. Except probably the ROse play, which was unnecessary if Im correct that was a all star game.
By dirty we mean for some silly reason perfectly acceptable per the rules at the time? I love how the same people that call these clips dirty ALSO hate the new home plate and slide rules implimented to fix them
I was at that game. Later in the game, Munson went 1st to 3rd and if George Brett hadn't moved, Munson would have gutted him like a fish with his cleats easily waist high.
Just Manny Machado clips lol
There's solid reason he gets booed
Lol yeah, sad he is like that
in his defense hes calmed down alot since coming to SD.
Him and Puig are the dirtiest players in history
@@VeraIV yeah he knows he’s on his last chance so he has to behave
Catchers blocking the plate was perfectly legal at the major league level until 2014, as long as they either had the ball or the ball was being thrown to them. Runners doing whatever it takes to get past the catcher block the plate in order to tag home plate and score, was also legal, not considered a dirty play by either player for most of the history of baseball.
Same with clearing second to break up a double-play
@@Glum1964 Problem there was that they were taking it too far, so the SS or 2B would get the ball and would be 3' away from the bag after the force out and the runner would slide into them.
That's how the game was taught and played. Check out how they slide into bases in the 20-30's. You'd call these, clean slides. The game evolves but saying these are dirty based on today's standards is wrong!
@@cwalenta656 until the ss or 2nd baseman sidearms a ball toward 1st base that kabongs off the noggin of the baserunner. That'll stop those slides.
Nondescript; SPOT-ON U R!!!!! Un4tun8ly; the rule change was made ,(under the guise of "safety").
Manny machado has always been dirty - in both leagues
Dirtiest player in baseball!
Agree about machado.
@Ken Wesaw As soon as I read the title to this video, I wondered how many clips would involve Machado. I've been waiting for years for a 1st baseman to finally lose his patience and beat Machado's nose flat after Machado has tried yet again to break the other player's ankle.
Machado is scum. I'd like to see someone slide into third with their cleats in his face.
Even though Pedroia refused to call out his "friends'" dirty, career ending shot...
Most Boston fans expect whoever is pitching, should we face Machado on the field again, to bean him.
People that never played the game have no idea how much contact there is on the bases and at home plate. I started playing in 1960s and we all had steel spikes. I was taught how to go high with my spikes on a slide into 2d or 3d base to take out the other player. I played 3d base and catcher. I was taught how to block the plate and drop the hammer on a runner trying to come home. Use the shin guards and the catcher's mitt was a weapon to deal out punishment. The game was much different back then, way more aggression.
yeah those McRae tackles look brutal but back then those were considered great hustle plays
They are hustle plays. Did you notice that he checked on the dude, was like "you good?" Then pats him on the back.
And subject to retaliation
1:57 That play was part of the game and McCray even asks Green if he's ok. Knowing the situation and just playing hard.
Nah, even for that era it was dirty. Dude didn't even try to slide. You had to at least try to slide, but instead McCray just flat out hip checked him.
@@Banzai51 And didn't even tag the base
@@Banzai51 "You had to at least try to slide" Says who? Show me in the rule back then that you had to slide? You NEVER have to slide. At least those were the rules back then.
@@dandiehm8414 Yeah, you're right. The dude is wrong. Those DP break ups happened every single game.
The takeout slide to break up the double play was common as dirt in 70's and 80's baseball. That's just how it was.
That first one wasn't a slide this man flew haha
@@lghrns , it was Hal McRae on both plays.
And it shouldn’t have been. Not then and not now.
@@WackJallis i mostly agree. but, if you make a genuine slide and happen to up end the fielder, im ok with that. but both of McRaes plays were _o b v i o u s_ the bag was *not his intent.*
@@googoo-gjoob after a genuine slide, the runner would be on the base, not upending the fielder. That kind of play came about as players in the old days would take advantage of ambiguity of whether they were trying to get to the base or trying to interfere with the fielder. Umpires were reluctant to call it, despite it always being against the rules to deliberately try and interfere with a fielder, just like they were reluctant to toss pitchers for throwing at batters until after they'd warned both sides. To me, baseball has always had a real problem with a 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying' attitude. Honor, sportsmanship, and being a positive role model for children are never as important as winning.
Lol every time it’s Alex Rodriguez hitting the ball outta the glove at first base like a 7 year old for me, complete with little personal celebration
Right? The image of him standing on second with his hands on his head looking like a child covered in chocolate syrup denying it was him makes me laugh every time.
All I see is "class act" "what a great guy" Jeter clapping in the dugout after the play, knowing full well what just happened.
@@CrescentRollCarl Because no one has a clearer view of the play than the guy running for third, with Arroyo standing in his line of sight. 😝
Respect the irrational Jeter hatted, but that's a stretch.
a-rod's bitch slap still gets me every time
One of the few actual dirty plays in this video
It was a good play… defender should secure the ball
Out of all the dirty plays out there, these aren't even close to the worst.
Most of them aren't even "dirty".
I’ve seen people dodge leg breaking slides at 2nd base a couple of times . In soccer the slides would not just net you a red ( extremely dangerous play) it’d be career suspension because straight foot cleats out will 110 % shatter the leg Ie Eduardo’s open fracture in arsenal vs Birmingham.. his bone was out from a square cleats out slide., just think your leg is locked into the ground with cleats and a side kick slide is breaking your leg
That Puig one was extra mild. 😂
im with u on that Juan Marichal? charging mound hitting the pitcher in head with bat gotta be considered lol
As a baseball fan for almost sixty years, I would add that a play can be "legal" and "dirty". A lot of 'tough guys' afflicted with restorative nostalgia like to think otherwise.
Baseball has evolved just like football. The stuff you could do or get away with 30 years ago is just mind blowing today. But the one thing I scratch my head at in todays baseball are the "unwritten rules".
I hate that unwritten rule crap. I don't pay attention to any made up rules anyone has to tell me about. Totally agree
It wasn't getting away with anything. It was called hardball.
It's better now. Baseball wasn't meant to be a contact sport.
@@patpat8727 No, not better. It was meant to be played hard and with aggression. It was not meant to be watered down by the squeamish and the weak. Buster Posey is a weenie, and we didn't need a rule to make everyone else one, too.
@@pigdeal31 you can still play hard and with aggression without injuring people. It's not a contact sport. Simple as that.
Yes, Rose was unapologetic. Watch it again.
He started to slide but Fosse didn't budge. Fosse expected Rose to dive head first into planted cleats. Or expected a chunky Rose to juke in the middle of a full sprint. Neither was gonna happen.
The catcher didn't even have the ball, definitely dirty
Before inter-league play. Both teams played to win. Definitely a shame for the rest of Fosse's career.
Fosse was blocking the plate. Not a dirty play at all.
As usual, Machado seems to wear the crown of the dirtiest player in MLB. One day, one day, he will find his Achilles tendon.
1:02 I'd like to point out how, that's a good stop by the 3rd base umpire.
No surprise seeing Machado in several clips here. But takeouts of infielders and collisions with catchers used to be pretty standard.
And still should be. You know how to keep from getting erased at second base? You drill the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he doesn't slide.
really all you gotta do is show manny machado's career
I kinda miss those plays at 2nd base where they used to be able to take out the fielder. I can see why they were eliminated though. It would have been cool to include the Chase Utley slide that single handedly ended those types of plays.
The rule needed to be changed. You're so vulnerable when throwing, and 2 basemen were getting injured too much. It's one thing to knock a guy off the throw to 1st, but when it becomes part of the game plan to crack ribs or break knees to break up a play, it needs to change. That's not in the spirit of baseball.
@@chipcrayton If you need to see collisions in order to watch baseball, you were never a baseball fan to begin with. Go watch football. There's so much more to baseball than players running into each other.
How about Manny Machado cheap shotting Dustin Pedroia and ripping out his knee and ending his career and basically crippling him.
Machado is a dirty player.
That's the play I was waiting for.
It's kinda funny how almost hockey-like body checks were legal in the past
Yeah, a laugh riot for those in the receiving end
hockey, a real sport. I will be forever thankful to Canada for giving us hockey, hey !
@@peterjohnson617 True! 🙌 go avs!
You know what else was legal? Drilling the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he didn't slide. Checks and Balances.
@@dandiehm8414 fair point lol
2:58 no highly competitive person considers this play dirty. ray shouldn't have been blocking the plate up the baseline with no ball if he didn't want to get trucked.
0:46 I’m confused. Exactly why did he throw the bat? Can someone explain?
Good to see the legendary Charlie Hustle on this. I remember growing up and watching Pete Rose. My dad hated the guy.
I’m with your dad
If there is a home plate collision because the catcher is blocking the plate, that’s not dirty.
Agreed. Some of the highlights in this video were questionably put there.
But launching into him like a missle is.
@@colyhope6467 Fosse was positioned three feet in front of home. That's why the tackle slide was such an important part of the game. Fair to say that it's too risky to the catcher to allow that kind of slide - that's why they changed the rules - but it was the behavior of catchers like Fosse that created the need for that kind of silde. Because if Fosse had gotten the ball half a second earlier, he would have squared up to Rose, dropped his shoulder, and laid him out.
If you think anything in that video was dirty (with exception of MM and Albert) you are part of the woke problem with baseball today.
They used to sharpen their spikes so they could cut people when they slid into bases. It was all part of the game and acceptable. Breaking up a double play was expected, now they have to slide at the 80’ mark so they don’t touch the middle infielders.
It’s worse than the NFFL (National Flag Football League) formerly known as the NFL…
@@utgreenheadthe fact that you used the term "woke" to describe baseball is ridiculous.. get your head out of your ass and your eyes off of Fox News and take a nice walk outside for once.
"Ever"? Well, just since games have televised. From what I understand Ty Cobb made these guys look like honor roll students.
Yeah it’s much more difficult to find filmed footage from that era
A little narration to let us know what was going on would be nice.
Pete rose played harder than the entire last 20 years of the mlb
Shame about the gambling stuff. Quite frankly the fact he only bet on his own teams has never once bothered me. It's one thing to bet against yourself and then throw the game, but betting only on yourself to win? I mean who gives a shit 🙄 dude is all-time and nothing will ever change that... At least until someone breaks his hits record.
@@Mr_Jish I agree with you for the most part but....
Part of the argument about betting on his team to win is that the games he did NOT bet them to win... He may have not managed in the same fashion if he did not have money riding.
@@toddrunyon the only problem with what you say is he bet to win every game
@@Mr_Jish well, it's no different than insider trading. I wonder if it's still ok with you now.
@@billrobertson5895 Gambling on games, even if you are betting on your team to win, leave the gambler open to blackmail if he becomes indebted to bookies. That is why it is against the rules for a player or manager to bet on ANY game. And betting on your team to win one game but not on a second game is the equivalent of betting on your team to lose the second game.
Were those plays where the runner to second took out the second baseman in order to prevent the throw to first within the rules?
Manny, Manny, Manny.... so much talent but such a dirty player.
what talent?
Exactly my point! What talent?
Pete Rose was built like an NFL fullback.
I like him as a linebacker
Dick Green getting taken out was not a dirty play. It was expected in that era. McRae asked him if he was okay afterwards.
Rose on Fosse in an All-Star game was just ridiculous. Fosse was never the same after that play.
McRae also took Willie Randolph out at second. McRae had to keep running past the base. You call it what you want but it was very dirty.
RIP Ray Fosse
Not gonna lie, never personally seen this clip and I have played some baseball in my time. Definitely looks like there should have been some sort of repercussions for that hit. Some things in sports just slide I suppose
Fosse was already on the downside of his career when this happened. Blaming Rose for a player that's already playing like an old man is just silly.
Looking at the play in this context, what else was Pete gonna do?
I never would imagined baseball was just as dirty back in the day like football or basketball. Lol.
- kicking/legging
- trash talk/conduct
- charging/bumping/nudging/crashing/launching
- throwing/slamming/wrestling
- pushing/shoving/thrusting
- hip checking/butt popping
I remember when Belle took out Vina like a sack of potatoes with that forearm lol.
Viña has even said he was okay with being remembered for that play! 😄
The Pete Rose one is a joke...Fosse blocks the plate as Rose is getting ready to slide.....Pete Rose made the right move, Fosse made a blunder that cost himself an injury....
Totally disagree. gods did not block the plate. Also, Rose made effort to knock Foss out. Did I mention that was an all star game? As in meaningless? That play messed up Fosse’s fingers for the rest of his life. It certainly cause Fosse to retire. But “that’s how it was”, right?
@@jimmccormick6091 Use you eyes, slow down the video...stop using emotion like a liberal...
Players today would cry for a week if they faced an old school double play breakup.
With the big money players are making now, MLB and the owners don't want their high priced talent injured on a hard slide or a home plate collision.
Charlie hustle perfectly legal. These days the commissioner/league made the game more candy ass.
Rose immediately went over to Fosse to check on him. Absolutely no ill intent there.
Some of these older clips are from a time when that was just how the game was played. Good they changed the rules but it’s hard to fault players for playing to win.
That Albert Bell forearm smash never gets old! He was a beast!
I think everyone forgets what pit him on first base was a HBP
@@brianf8076 did not know that. That explains it. He must have been a beast because no one came to retaliate against him for leveling that guy. Thanks for the full story!
Since it was an exhibition game, Fosse should’ve got the hell out of the way and tried a sweep tag.
Kinda miss those days.
How could this video leave out one of the dirtiest plays in baseball history? The Chase Utley slide into second base against the Mets in the playoffs was one of the worst plays ever.
The title implied this was a slide compilation. That is by definition the _dirtiest_ play in the game, after all.
Can’t get mad at people demolishing catchers when they stand right in front of the plate
WITHOUT THE BALL!
Base runners learned never to slide hard against Billy Martin. He would low throw past your head. One throw did hit a runner in the face resulting in broken bones.
Ty Cobb was infamous for coming into second base spikes up.
Phony stuff was made up about him,research it,the reporter was dirty!
You should find videos of the game back in Ty Cobbs day. When they would sharpen their cleats and slide in cleats up high. The slides at second in this video, back then weren't dirty, that was how you were taught to break up the double play.
And next time you came to bat ___
Even Vina said Belle knocking him down wasn't dirty. Vina was in the basepath and Belle was preventing Eddie Murray from hitting into a double play.
The umpires call the runner out and the batter runner out for a double play and ejection for interference.
Missing the Chase Utley dirty slide on Ruben Tejada at 2nd base
That was nothing compared the the Hal McRae plays.
that wasnt dirty. it was a part of the game.
@@devlinjointz4754 you don't create a rule if it was a clean play, utley was a dirty player most of his career and that was an intentionally dirty play with full intent to do harm.
@@brianemerich2524 its a clean play because there was no rule. Utley said his intention was to break up the double play. Which he did. Unless you can read minds you cant argue otherwise.
That was
I don’t know if it’s fair to call the second base tackles dirty, they were legal until like 2008
1:11 dude did him like milt wilcox 😂
Puig one wasn't dirty though, he just pushed the catcher, and not even that hard
I’m a Diamondback fan, and I always HATED little Piggy as I used to call him, but I agree, that wasn’t a dirty play.
Today I learned baseball is a contact sport
Love the old-school. When baseball players didn't get hurt and men were men
That Pete Rose play is overblown. The guy was trying to score and the catcher was in the way, the runner should be allowed to do that, I miss old school baseball
It was the All Star Game and it completely derailed Ray Fosse’s entire career
@@krolik1157 so don’t get in the runner’s way? You play hard the whole game, or that’s how it’s supposed to be. Never want anyone to get hurt, but we shouldn’t make the game soft to prevent it
After seeing him twice in this video, I have to say that Hal McRae took the cake for dirty baserunning.
Problem with your assessment is that was legal back when men played baseball
@@montysinnett5622 I see legality and dirtiness as two different issues. Just because a play is legal doesn't make it any less dirty, IMO.
@@10Peter25 well then practically everybody that played the game at that time would disagree. The goal of the runner was to break up the double play and help their team win. Do you have any evidence, at that time, getting injured from such a play?
@nicholastrudeau7581 Then everyone was a dirty baserunner back then. I'm familiar enough with the way baseball was played in Hal McRae's day to know two things. 1. You're exaggerating quite a bit. 2. Hal McRae had the reputation even by the standards of his day of being a dirty baserunner.
The second clip, was that legal?! What would happen if some teams did that in todays baseball? 😅
Yeah it was at the time, the ruling didn’t change until after Chase Utley took out Ruben Tejada in the 2015 NLDS. Now the ruling is the runner has to make an attempt to aim for the plate when sliding to break up a double play
@@Wolf-wc1js and the runner has to be able to reach the bag.
Gotta love 70s baseball. Was a mans game then.
The 30 years or so between Yankee dynasties (1965 to the early ‘90s) was a great era for baseball. They may have built a lot of ugly ballparks, but great baseball was played, and smaller cities put up some really good teams.
The dirtiest EVER, Pete Rose in the all star game. Destroyed a man’s career. Bum 🤬🤬
I was expecting a Machado/Utley dual highlight reel.
The crap Yankees play was appropriately called in that they called the batter-runner was out; but the other run should have gone back to 2nd as well.
Why is the Puig play included that wasn't dirty 🤣🤣
Of course Pete was unapologetic he had 20 on the game
Even though it's proven he never bet on a game he was involved with. Yup, keep that delusional world you live in alive. I'll break it down in 2 seconds.
The last one, catcher was blocking the plate. That’s on him.
Plate blocking, hard slides were generally within the rules and common through the 1980s.
Pete Rose Rocks
Glad the Dodgers didn't keep mASShado .
Or puig!
Man that second clip would be a targeting in college football or a PI and fine and in une NFL 😂
Where was the Bert Campanaris throwing his bat at Lerrin Legrow in the ‘72 playoffs?
That last clip of Pete Rose taking out Fossey. It’s one of the three reasons he’s banned from baseball and will never get into the Hall of Fame.
Exactly! It was an exhibition game. Fosse was never the same after that hit.
@@shallmars Why was Fosse blocking the plate in an exhibition game?
The dudes taking out the 2nd baseman would have gotten a fast ball between the eyes if I were playing.
Baseball in the old days was tough. Home plate was open. Cool. Sliding way passed second base was foul.
Playing hard and physical is not too bad. NOW PHYSICALLY FIGHTING SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED AT ANY LEVEL OR AT ANY TIME PERIOD. 😢
That last play was not dirty at all. Please. Fosse was in the baseline, blocking home plate WITHOUT the ball.
And Rose tried to check on him after the player. Rose also slowed down and practically stumbled into him when he could have gone full steam and knocked him 30-yards into tomorrow.
Why does it not surprise me Machado and Puig are in it!
A rod acting like he was just running and didn’t slap the ball out of his glove
Manny Machado, the Aaron Hernandez of baseball.
How their nothing alike 🤔
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*they’re*
Learn to recognize sarcasm in life. Also, learn the fucking difference between there, their and they’re. My 8 year old granddaughter knows the difference for fucks sake.
The fact that you did not include Kent Hrbek pulling Ron Gant off of first base in the 1991 World Series proves you don't know what a dirty play is.
Hrbek's play was more like cheating. A dirty play causes unnecessary pain. See Machado's career.
When baseball becomes football there needs to be stiff penalties
The Pete Rose play at home was a legitimate play, the catcher was blocking the plate. The others, especially the two take downs at second base, were pretty 💩y. The two take downs at second should have been called as interference and the runner at first called out and any other runners that advanced sent back to their original bag.
I'm with you. I get so sick and tired of these pansy-asses, who never played, saying plays like this are wrong. When a catcher blocks the plate, he does so at his own risk and they DAMN WELL know it. They KNOW the consequences. If you're calling this play dirty, you're nothing but a dumbass.
Baseball has had 'dirty players' since the very first game. Playing a 'clean game' is the antithesis of the type of game played by Ty Cobb, Albert Bell, A-Rod, Niekro and the famous Pete Rose. Of course, a lot of players from the past and even to the present have the attitude of 'win at any cost' and the fans are right there with that. I think that, short of shooting your opponent, almost anything goes. Going to an MLB and NFL game must be like going to the gladiator games in Rome.
The dives into second are dirty, but it’s far better than putting spikes in knees. I’d rather be speared than have my career ended.
I miss them collisions at home plate the good old days of baseball.....
i don’t miss good players being out half the year because they got body slammed in a sport where no one is wearing any sort of protection.
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How did A-Rods swatting a ball out of a glove end up in "Dirtiest Plays Ever". Regardless of what you think about the play... I don't think it belongs in this video.
I have no sympathy for the catcher blocking the base without the ball. It's his own fault he got his shoulder separated. Don't stand on the baseline and block the plate without the ball if you don't want to get run over. Simple as that.
Albert Belle play wasnt dirty. He was a fool for standing in base path. Pete Rose was only dirty because I believe that was all star game. Im pretty sure youre allowed to slide through second on a force with little discretion. Most of these are just part of the game. Except probably the ROse play, which was unnecessary if Im correct that was a all star game.
Belle was about the biggest player,Vina smallest
I miss the old 2nd base and home plate collisions. Back when it was actually a contact sport
1:26 - 1:30
The moment the Yankees broke the Curse of the Bambino on the Red Sox after 86 years.
That bat throw…
The batter missed his throw. It was suppose to be at the pitcher.
Poor 3rd base man, he didn’t do anything…😢
He should have been ARRESTED for it.
By dirty we mean for some silly reason perfectly acceptable per the rules at the time?
I love how the same people that call these clips dirty ALSO hate the new home plate and slide rules implimented to fix them
Machado kicking that guy in the ankle was dirty, dirty in 1920, dirty in 2020.
@@ThekiBoran fair enough
Love the days when baseball was physical. Cross body blocks at second crashing the plate. Man those were the days.
Need protection on your body from all of that😂😂
The fact Pete rose did that in a meaningless asg is beyond messed up.
I still get a smile on my face every time I see Hal McRae take Randolph into left field.
I was at that game. Later in the game, Munson went 1st to 3rd and if George Brett hadn't moved, Munson would have gutted him like a fish with his cleats easily waist high.
@@brasp32 That was a great rivalry at one time.
Machado mentioned twice. He's my vote for dirtiest player.
I wish they would keep the physicality of sports in the game. Baseball 20 years ago was rougher than football today.
The one at home with Puig wasn’t really that badl.
I have zero idea why the play at the plate with Pete Rose was included here. What was dirty about that?
Those dives into second were legal back then?
That'd be a yes.
Yeah, stupidly. Pretty amazing that they were ever okay with that stuff.
After Hal McRae roll-blocked Willie Randolph in the 1977 ALCS, the “McRae rule” was created prohibiting the act.
He's correct, those collisions at 2nd base and home plate were part of the game and perfectly legal and every player knew that.
@@zuketroop1 until lil bitch Posey showed up