Nice video! Thanks for showing our you cut steel on the 6040. One little trick I learned is you can cheat and sand blast the part once you are finished and it removes any of the surface imperfections and gives it a textured look for the visible surfaces of the parts.
00:00 I expect a train wreck. 00:43 yep 03:34 impressive result I am honestly impressed by the little end mill for surviving the earthquake in the beginning.
The problem with the 6040 is rigidity, not so much the base plate which is ok. If you use a good tool and low speed you can cut anything. Recently I have cut granite stone with a diamond v shape tool with an excellent result (under water jet).
How about milling the other way? I mean climb milling, cutting forces bend the mill away from the stock. You will never get nice surfaces otherwise. Also lower rpm and feedrate try 3000 rpm and 200 mm / min feedrate. Finally reduce the free length on the mill, very important.
no. you are wrong. lowering rpm works only with heavy and rigid machines (in cases of chatter because of tool deflection). in case of very light and flimsy machine the only way is to increase rpm (to rise vibration frequency above natural frequency of machine's frame).
Hi Tomas, your video was so informative, I decided to subscribe, I have just bought a 6030 5 axis router, yet to be assembled, I look forward to seeing more videos from you, I believe you have a lot of knowledge to pass on to us novices.
First of all, True thanks a lot, Thomas, for sharing your experience! Very informative indeed. Sorry that my question may come so lately after you posted your videos about the 6040. I am considering buying a CNC solution for some projects involving 3D shaping from CAD models onto appropriate foam. The 6040 would get the appropriate working area even though Z is short. the projects you documented are only involving flat or side cutting’ so far I could see. I am wondering then if a CNC router would be able to perform this 3D milling if equipped with a ball-tip tool. Would the coordination of the 3 axis together represent a limitation for a CNC router? Could the soft calculating the tool trajectories be a limitative factor too? Many thanks for your insights.
Astonished. I have a 6040z new model and wasn't sure it could make it up to steels. So thanks for clearing that out. That spindle has higher torque at higher rpm, that's why you you can't mill it at small rpm. Do you know what steel alloy is the one you are milling in the video?
Very nice suprise! And nice job! There is end mill spécial for little steppes but with more feed! Its high performance end mill(very expensive) but its better for light machine...look like high speed machining you know?! But the result its very very good for this machine!!! Good job !
Amazing to see a hobby CNC cut steel, Q. what is the power of your Spindle 800W or higher. also what software did you use for cutting . also why not try a lubricant or a misting spreyer
@@brianfoster7064 I have a 3040 CNCEST that has a 800w VFD and are identicle to the 6040 but smaller and more rigid, anyway i couldnt see any info on his spindle, and thinking of upping my spindle to do the same.
you could make it even more robust for milling steel putting steel plates onto mill motor compartment, the only thing it might take more powerful CNC step motors
great video would love to see some work on aluminium and also what happens during a tool change does it stop itself ect then you change and continue or , youtuber and new subscriber of yours
TomasTheCreator no problem just bought one of these myself and found your channel last night really well explained videos and steps learnt a lot from them keep up the great work
TomasTheCreator no problem just bought one of these myself and found your channel last night really well explained videos and steps learnt a lot from them keep up the great work
I'm sorry, but I can't find the sellar and the exact model now on Ebay. But if you search for "6040 2.2kw" you should find something similar. And now I have seen they're selling an upgraded version with hgh linear guides and much stiffer chassi for about 500-700€ more.
The round linear guideways on that machine is very sloppy, just put a dial indicator on the spindle and move back and forth and sideways will show quite a bit of movement.
I want milk 316L STAINLESS STEEL. I see this machines avail here in the US. I just need to know how to upgrade it. Can I upgrade it for that purpose? Can someone please let me know.
Yes it's absolutly worth it, but you have to do something about the table before you can mill metals. Either you do a new steel/alutable or you mount some type of plate under the original table.
Yeah, but I think single flute is much more suitable for softer material like alu or copper. I got the absolutly best results with a 4flute in steel. But it would be a fun experiment🤓
I made it of a steelplate, but aluminium should also work great! Just layin a mdf-board under the original table makes a huge difference. Great, I mail them today👍🏻
@@TomasTheCreator hey buddy ,thank you for the sub ... I shall do that 😊 ,as you actually twisted my arm but I take absolutely no responsibility if ur screen cracks or u need a 'pry bar ' to unroll your eyes from the back of your head...🤣
@erichthomas7069: I'm also looking for a small 5-Axis table top mill or vertical machining center to cut steel. There is supposedly an improved 3040 all steel constructed metal cutting 5-Axis machine. However, I have not seen steel cutting demos from the company or actual purchasers. Please share your search experience with me. Thank you. @Thomas The Creator: Thank you for this informative steel cutting demo on your 6040. If you have updated info on perhaps the 3040 5-Axis machine, please share in one of your videos. Thank you.
The spindlepower is 2.2kW. And I had best result with 22000rpm on the 6mm endmill. It's a hardmetal endmill so the rpm was no problem with the low cutting depth.
@@TomasTheCreator any way I like your results and gave me lots of hope. Actually I'm building a machine with 4kw 6000rpm spindle with a very sturdy structure. I wish I can do steels with it building moulds and dies for business matters
@@TomasTheCreator Tomas I was thinking why u had best results at max speed. That's because u will drop the spindle torque at lower rpms couse in vibration and not good outcome
Nice video! Thanks for showing our you cut steel on the 6040. One little trick I learned is you can cheat and sand blast the part once you are finished and it removes any of the surface imperfections and gives it a textured look for the visible surfaces of the parts.
00:00 I expect a train wreck.
00:43 yep
03:34 impressive result
I am honestly impressed by the little end mill for surviving the earthquake in the beginning.
Haha yeah it' gotta be the worlds toughest endmill for sure😁😁
The problem with the 6040 is rigidity, not so much the base plate which is ok. If you use a good tool and low speed you can cut anything. Recently I have cut granite stone with a diamond v shape tool with an excellent result (under water jet).
Inspirational! Is a video of the improvement in milling steel with the new upper spindle bracket coming? 😊
How about milling the other way? I mean climb milling, cutting forces bend the mill away from the stock. You will never get nice surfaces otherwise. Also lower rpm and feedrate try 3000 rpm and 200 mm / min feedrate. Finally reduce the free length on the mill, very important.
its not chatter, its the endmill screaming in pain
Haha yeah you're soo right, it's some serious endmilltorture😁
Ball bearing seppuku....
Very impressive! 👍
Lower rpm, lower speed, trochoidal milling with 2- 5% engagement and you will be successful
no. you are wrong. lowering rpm works only with heavy and rigid machines (in cases of chatter because of tool deflection).
in case of very light and flimsy machine the only way is to increase rpm (to rise vibration frequency above natural frequency of machine's frame).
Hi Tomas, your video was so informative, I decided to subscribe, I have just bought a 6030 5 axis router, yet to be assembled, I look forward to seeing more videos from you, I believe you have a lot of knowledge to pass on to us novices.
Oo thank you so much for the kind words!! Congrats to an awesome machine, you are going to have lots of fun with it.
how do you like the machine?
can you share a link and your experience, im looking into one of those
Yes I would like to know as well
First of all, True thanks a lot, Thomas, for sharing your experience! Very informative indeed. Sorry that my question may come so lately after you posted your videos about the 6040. I am considering buying a CNC solution for some projects involving 3D shaping from CAD models onto appropriate foam. The 6040 would get the appropriate working area even though Z is short. the projects you documented are only involving flat or side cutting’ so far I could see. I am wondering then if a CNC router would be able to perform this 3D milling if equipped with a ball-tip tool. Would the coordination of the 3 axis together represent a limitation for a CNC router? Could the soft calculating the tool trajectories be a limitative factor too? Many thanks for your insights.
Great work bud. Looking forward to your improvements
Thank you for the kind words😊
Astonished. I have a 6040z new model and wasn't sure it could make it up to steels. So thanks for clearing that out. That spindle has higher torque at higher rpm, that's why you you can't mill it at small rpm. Do you know what steel alloy is the one you are milling in the video?
Maybe it can make it up to stainless steel?
Thank you😊 It's C45 steel. If you make a new table and add a spindleclamp and take it very very careful you probably could cut stainless!!
@@TomasTheCreator Will surely try that in the future. Thanks!
Very nice suprise! And nice job! There is end mill spécial for little steppes but with more feed! Its high performance end mill(very expensive) but its better for light machine...look like high speed machining you know?! But the result its very very good for this machine!!! Good job !
Thank you😊 And thank you for the tips about the endmill, I'm going to check that out👍🏻👍🏻
Amazing to see a hobby CNC cut steel,
Q. what is the power of your Spindle 800W or higher. also what software did you use for cutting .
also why not try a lubricant or a misting spreyer
He's using a CNCEST 6040 WITH 2.2KW spindle. All of those tan colored chinese cnc machines are made by CNCEST.
@@brianfoster7064 I have a 3040 CNCEST that has a 800w VFD and are identicle to the 6040 but smaller and more rigid,
anyway i couldnt see any info on his spindle, and thinking of upping my spindle to do the same.
Hey man, fantastic, I'm amazed. Very good 👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Than you so much😊👍🏻
you could make it even more robust for milling steel putting steel plates onto mill motor compartment, the only thing it might take more powerful CNC step motors
Thanks for the great idea👍🏻😃
great video would love to see some work on aluminium and also what happens during a tool change does it stop itself ect then you change and continue or , youtuber and new subscriber of yours
Thank you for the kind words😊 I'm working on a aluminium video right now and thanks for the tips about the toolchange, I'm going to include that👍🏻
TomasTheCreator no problem just bought one of these myself and found your channel last night really well explained videos and steps learnt a lot from them keep up the great work
TomasTheCreator no problem just bought one of these myself and found your channel last night really well explained videos and steps learnt a lot from them keep up the great work
Nice!! Is that stainless steel? Or some kind of mild steel?
Did the price skyrocket on these machines? They sell for over a $1K for a basic setup.
very nice result. RIP to the spindle bearings and their familly
3:47 the finnish? you mean, the swedish :D
Man crazy stuff!!! Well you shouldn't use stepdown more then 0.1mm....
There is a reason cooling fluid is oil based, and THIS is it.
Cool, is still working your router? What model is and from there you buy it and how much it cost.
Thank you😊 Yes it's still working perfectly👌🏻 It's a 6040 4axis from Cncest, I got it from Ebay and it cost me about 100€👍🏻
@@TomasTheCreator can you tell more precise the model, because on eBay are plenty models, thanks.
I'm sorry, but I can't find the sellar and the exact model now on Ebay. But if you search for "6040 2.2kw" you should find something similar. And now I have seen they're selling an upgraded version with hgh linear guides and much stiffer chassi for about 500-700€ more.
Cool! How many Nm does your Stepper motors in X,Y, Z-direction have?
Thank you😎 I actually dont know the exact torque, all I know is that they are 3A.
The round linear guideways on that machine is very sloppy, just put a dial indicator on the spindle and move back and forth and sideways will show quite a bit of movement.
Yeah they're not the greatest, i'm going to change them soon.
Very nicely done. I am so impressed. Subscribed and looking to purchase one soon. How did you pick which version the router? Thank you for the video!
Thank you so much😊 I looked around a bit and thought that this model seemed to be the best because of the 4th axis and 2.3kW motor.
@@TomasTheCreator Thank you for the reply. That was the way I was leaning.
Ok where can I get this and how much!?
I got mine from Ebay for about 1000$ Hope you get one too, they are loads of fun👍🏻
Cool video! What was the accuracy of the final part vs. the drawing?
Thank you😃👍 It's actually quite good, about -+0,03mm
@@TomasTheCreator really!!! awsome
@@TomasTheCreator I expected -+0.1mm. I am behind the times!
I want this machine!
Do you have a CAD model for the upgraded steel bed ?
nice!!
22000 rpm spindle speed. feed rate 850 mm
pass depth = 0.25mm plunge rate = 2mm ------ this is your setup for carbon steel>?
Yeah I think thats pretty close to the setup that worked best. Very high rpm's and very low passing depths was the key succes👍🏻
I want milk 316L STAINLESS STEEL. I see this machines avail here in the US. I just need to know how to upgrade it. Can I upgrade it for that purpose? Can someone please let me know.
Congratulations
have you tried while climb milling?
No. Climb milling puts to much stress on the spindle and axles.
Is it worth paying the extra money for a 6040 instead of a 3040?
If i want to be able to Mill metals?
Yes it's absolutly worth it, but you have to do something about the table before you can mill metals. Either you do a new steel/alutable or you mount some type of plate under the original table.
@@TomasTheCreator could you explain your table? I was admiring. How did you make it by hand or on the cnc? those holes you drill and tap?
Thank you😊 Yeah I made my table out of steel in a cnc mill, so nothing was made manually.
WTF!*?*!?* Astonishing!
Aa thanks man😃
CAN you try single flute on carbon steel
Yeah, but I think single flute is much more suitable for softer material like alu or copper. I got the absolutly best results with a 4flute in steel. But it would be a fun experiment🤓
you are not making a big chip in steel so there is no need for a single flute. You do need the 4 flutes for extra strength in cutting steel.
Finns det idag keramiska skär som kan användas till de här små fräsarna?
Jag har ingen exakt koll på det, men det gör det säkert!
Where did you get your table upgrade (with the holes in it)?
I made it myself👍🏻 I can send you the cadfile if you give me you mailadress!
@@TomasTheCreator nice! Yeah that would be great! westonde at Gmail dot com! Did you make it steel or aluminum?
I made it of a steelplate, but aluminium should also work great! Just layin a mdf-board under the original table makes a huge difference. Great, I mail them today👍🏻
@@TomasTheCreator thanks! Steel is sweet, but you must have another machine to do that haha!!
I sent the files now, please let me now if you didn't get them!
Hello , subbed ... What is the endmills ,thnx for adding feeds and speeds
They are Garant greenring 5mm 4flute carbide endmills. A budget, but very good endmill. Thanks for the sub👍🏻😀
@@TomasTheCreator thanks for the reply , I'm currently building my cnc router as well ,tapping holes atm 'lol'
Oh cool, hope you post a video when it's finnished😀👍🏻
@@TomasTheCreator hey buddy ,thank you for the sub ... I shall do that 😊 ,as you actually twisted my arm but I take absolutely no responsibility if ur screen cracks or u need a 'pry bar ' to unroll your eyes from the back of your head...🤣
Haha I am willing to take the risk😂😂
Vilken maskin.. what machine.. where to buy
Thank you!! I bought mine on Ebay!
@erichthomas7069: I'm also looking for a small 5-Axis table top mill or vertical machining center to cut steel. There is supposedly an improved 3040 all steel constructed metal cutting 5-Axis machine. However, I have not seen steel cutting demos from the company or actual purchasers. Please share your search experience with me. Thank you. @Thomas The Creator: Thank you for this informative steel cutting demo on your 6040. If you have updated info on perhaps the 3040 5-Axis machine, please share in one of your videos. Thank you.
Hello sir what motor spindle is on on your 6040?
Hi! It's a 2.2kW motor with 24000rpm. I think it works very with the machine👍🏻😀
TomasTheCreator thanks for the reply. Would you say that one of the best upgrades for the 6040 is a heavier bed? I am trying to work on steel as well.
Yeah, a steeltable or a thicker aluminiumtable are definitly the best upgrade. I am also planning to upgrade the gantry! Hope you make it work!!
What's your spindle power and what's the rpm ?
I mean the base rpm. 12000 is alot for steel cutting it will burn the endmill
The spindlepower is 2.2kW. And I had best result with 22000rpm on the 6mm endmill. It's a hardmetal endmill so the rpm was no problem with the low cutting depth.
@@TomasTheCreator any way I like your results and gave me lots of hope. Actually I'm building a machine with 4kw 6000rpm spindle with a very sturdy structure. I wish I can do steels with it building moulds and dies for business matters
@@TomasTheCreator Tomas I was thinking why u had best results at max speed. That's because u will drop the spindle torque at lower rpms couse in vibration and not good outcome
That sounds like no problem for a machine like that! Looking forward to see you post a video of it running👍🏻😀
lol no oil watch it cry for breath.
No love was showed that day😁