@@robspecht9550 Sea, and birds, and fish... and 20,000 tonnes of crude oil... and a fire... and the part of the ship that the front fell off... but there's nothing ELSE out there!
my father(who is is from soviet union) always told me that Khusrchev's shoe thing is about being too fat . The thing is that it is difficult adjusting your shoe while fat, so Khrushchev started his tirade while adjusting his shoe and was caught in the moment of pure socialist Khrushchev-splaining to the UN.
He's spot on, Khrushchev mentions that little tidbit in his autobiography. Next time you're talking to some running dog of the yankee imperialists, give it a try. You'll be glad you did.
I love that the DUKE NUKEM account is here. I played that series so much as a kid, until I got tired of waiting for that one - havent played any since then.
The soviet submarine with the swimming pool on it was the Typhoon class, a stupidly big but awesome ballistic missile carrier vessel that's basically five small submarines strapped together in a single outer hull. You could genuinely do a WtYP episode on soviet sub designs in the style and to the length of the gulf state vanity projects episode. Highlight for me are the Alpha class, which were tiny, highly automated, and stupidly fast. They were fitted with molten lead-cooled reactors, which would freeze solid if you let them get too cold, so the Alphas needed port facilities that could keep their reactors hot. The Soviets built like seven of them and none of the requisite port facilities, so the subs had to keep their reactors running at all times in order to not brick themselves.
Confusingly, the Soviets called what NATO calls the Typhoon class SSBN Project 941 Akula, while there’s a separate class of SSN that NATO calls the Akula (seemingly deciding that they got bored with the phonetic alphabet naming system) which the Russians call Project 971 Shchuka-B
Former engineer (former thanks to America's response to the pandemic) in the commerical food service equipment industry and I support the hell out of the requirement for CO detectors
Former food service employee (former thanks to Murica's response to the pandemic) and I also support the hell out of the requirement for CO detectors. If my old boss who was barely making ends meet can afford CO detectors in his restaurant, surely a national chain can.
@@matriarch4882 former food service worker. We almost died due to a CO2 leak from one of our burners that a detector probably would've caught so I too support this.
In 1994 Yeltsin was in Philly, wandering around the streets at night drunk in his underwear, trying to wave down taxis. He screamed at Secret Service agents when they found him. The day after, he very nearly snuck out yet again, being detained by the Secret Service, who mistook him for a homeless intruder. This sort of thing happened *all the time* with Yeltsin. The guy was a legend at sneaking past both his own security details and the Secret Service.
So, anyways! Submarines kinda tweak a particular neuron in my weird obsessive dork brain, so here's a couple additional details for y'all: -The tiny drill on the Turtle was actually to create a hole in which to stick a bomb, so it wasn't *quite* as dumb as it seems. However, when the guy who made it actually attempted to go sink a British ship with it, it turned out that the ship's hull was clad with copper plates, which honestly was not uncommon at that point and he really should have expected it. -If you count the fact that the Hunley sunk immediately after torpedoing the Housatonic (and yes Alice I caught your Lovecraft joke there :P), it actually killed *three* of its crews. Also, fun fact, Hunley himself was part of the second crew that got killed. Both the first two crews died because the thing sank in a lake while they were testing it out. Also, the torpedo spar that it rammed into the Housatonic was fired by a pull cord on a reel. The idea was the sub would back up far enough to be safe and the cord would go taut, detonating the torpedo. They think, though, that the reel got jammed before they were at the full range and detonated the torpedo accidentally, and the blast was enough to start dumping water into the Hunley, which set up a feedback loop of water goes in ->sub sinks lower -> more water goes in -> GOTO 10. There you go! Enjoy! I'm sorry!
Because ship worms were such a common problem a lot of ships were built with either copper plating or a secondary hull under the water line. The idea of using a hand crank drill in the apple to punch through either two layers of hull planking or sheet metal is pretty ridiculous
@@evamiller4886 AFAIK the copper was fairly thin stuff, but even a couple millimetres of copper to make the drill bit skitter around rather than bite into the wood would make actually drilling anything a bitch when everything is manually operated.
I remember going to visit the Hunley in South Carolina in 2010, at the time they hadn't figured out that the explosive had sunk the submarine and assumed the crew died of asphyxiation while returning from the raid
Kursk wasn't really a disaster, submarines are supposed to be underwater - that's the whole point of a submarine. The fact that it imploded and was lost with all hands is secondary and therefore irrelevant. Thus the Kursk was a success, not a disaster. #DestroyedWithFactsAndLogic
Speaking of exploding whales, ever heard of the Oregon whale carcass demolition? They tried to blow up a rotting whale with dynamite and ended up coating the entire beach and parking lot in massive chunks of rotting whale flesh.
@@biggle_man the best part is that the guy who originally took the footage was DELUGED with requests for it, and he had a strict policy of telling anyone who said they wanted it for scientific/strategic/whateverthefuck noble justification to fuck off you only got his whalesplosion footage if you were honest about the fact you just wanted it because you thought it looked cool
Episode suggestion: The Granville Train Disaster, the deadliest rail incident in Australian history. Featuring a locomotive that caused 2/3 of all the accidents its entire class had in their lifetime, a driver with an unpronounceable name (unless you are Polish), a train headbutting a bridge, and liquefied human. As far as I know, the coroners report can be borrowed from the NSW State Library, and there's a few documentaries on the disaster as well.
Trains headbutting bridges are always bad. Just look at the Eschede derailment, which seems to have some things in commong with the Granville one. Namely the carriages getting flattened by a collapsing bridge.
To be fair most Australian bridges are also improvised can openers for trucks and things of that nature. The Montague street bridge in Melbourne is a great example of that.
if alice is de-syncing over that time frame, she might want to check her record sample rate. could be that she is at 44.1 and the rest are at 48 (or a multiple thereof) or vice versa.
I came all the way back to this video to thank you, because I read your comment two weeks ago and then just now realized that this was why my audio would end up out of sync after a couple hours when streaming or recording from my HDMI capture card. OBS and my output were running at 48, but that specific input was recording at 44.1. so thank you!
I believe she's playing the long game to get them to give up and have Nate produce their podcast. This is not for altruistic reasons, but annoy Nate with Philly accents and mispronunciation of words that makes Joe from LLBD's sound like Will Lyman.
Depressing stuff, it's a tragedy here ever since it happened. It's like a wound. Just pointless and every time it's brought up the country hurts. Thank you for talking about it, funnily enough despite being a raunchy comedy podcast you still manage to sometimes outline the gravity of what happened like in your Bhopal episodes. So hope to listen to your coverage of Kursk soon. Thank you for making this.
Well, I had a heart attack on Monday and I just wanted to say that the pod is probably the best thing that has happened to me in the hospital. If you ever have a testimonials section, you should add that.
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I worked for a small gay wedding cake bakery and cafe for a number of years. It was small and barely profitable, but the owner was also extremely cheap and a little on the hoarder side of things. To save money in the summer or winter we were not allowed to run the hood system. He would keep the doors closed so the cold or warm air from the dining room didn't get wasted on the kitchen. On one side of the building in the strip was a pottery company that would set their kilns to fire over night when they left at 5pm. There was a leak that resulted in us being able to smell the thick kiln exhaust in our kitchen and basement store room. CO may be odorless but CO rich air seems to have a few traits that are common to it. It smelled like a furnace dump pipe. This happened at least every Friday. The one other cook and I kept getting headaches and feeling shitty. We figured we just needed to not get so stoned before work or it was because the kitchen was 117f thru the summer months. After a day or two I figured out we were getting CO poisoning but put up with it for months. Eventually my gf secretly reported my boss to osha because she was tired of me complaining about getting sick. She even sent them pictures I'd taken inside showing the temps, closed door, and good switches off that I'd sent her when bitching about it on night. He didnt reply to their fist letter so they fined him 1000 dollars. They showed up a month later outside business hours, bought his excuse about that being why the hoods were off, and made him replace a 15 dollar fan belt that was squeaking. That was it. There was also like holes rotten thru the floor of this place in constantly damp areas. Now, in a business with 4 total employees, the anonymous quality of the osha report wasn't really helpful. I took the blame and quit so my coworker didn't get blamed. They never investigated the pottery company.
I hate to be that guy and ruin your joke, but torpedo tubes are between 533mm-650mm (21 in-25in) in diameter, and are so even non-fun sized people are perfectly capable of getting up inside them.
Can confirm, 5'9" 195 pound guy me climbed into a torpedo tube and kissed the muzzle door while getting blasted with a fire hose for my shellback ceremony.
@@anarchomando7707 it's what you become when you cross the equator on a ship. Most sailors do a goofy ceremony that is part weird and part disgusting, where the shellbacks initiate the uninitiated. In the past, it was sometimes violent and a form of hazing, but these days it's usually just a morale boosting activity. One key thing is you get "baptized" with sea water, hence the fire hose. There's also golden dragon, for crossing the 180th meridian, golden shellback for crossing the 180th and equator at the same time, emerald shellback for equator and prime meridian, and a bunch of other things. American sailors, mainly submariners, also do order of the blue nose for crossing the arctic circle.
The Kursk was one of the first disasters I experienced on the news as a child. It was so stressful watching the news like "they tried and failed to rescue them again, today! But the guys in there are still knocking on the door from the inside! Don't worry, they're trained to save oxygen!" And little child me was horrified at all this. How do you just lie in there trying not to breathe too much? And then, at some day, the knocking stopped and apparently, all chambers were filled with water. That really screwed with my head a few days. Still haunts me.
Russians were seriously afraid of the EU getting into their weakaf sub and exclaiming "damn b/tch you live like this" Fantastic episode!! New favorite.
No matter how unrelated each subject is to France, roz will always find a way to snark "hon hon hon" in each one. Really looking forward to the "hon hon hon" in upcoming Tacoma narrows bridge episode.
The torpedo is hollow like in The Spy Who Loved Me, but instead of James Bond there's an old Japanese Fisherman inside who pops out to harpoon the whale
It is common in pumbing - it ensures that your main is not connected to your sewer... unless you like gas buildup. Also it is on some parts in which the action of the part would natrually put pressure in the direction of the loosening - if you inverse the threads - you can have this action tighten the join. The soviets actually used a principle of this with water pressure in their Amphiba diver watches - as the water pressure increases, the case presses in on a large gasket - and the dome of the crystal presses onto the watch face and into rhe case. This means that at surface pressures the watch is the least water proof, and until the crush depth, it actually becomes tighter and tighter.
....Or how about German Kriegsmarine U-boat schnokel accidents where the pipe got plugged and the MAN diesels blew the line to keep sucking in air, so the crew was subjected to an astronaut training-style loss of air pressure incident for a few seconds until the motorman killed the engines. Are we talking about the same thing? www.uboat.net
shout out to that time a coworker of mine was told to go ask a customer to have their dog on a leash in the store and got shot in the face for it, and before anyone administered any aide or instructed anyone to go get medical aide a manager grab the badge off of the dying man, handed it to me & told me to go clock him out.
1:27:52 "like, all of their international affairs moves are just trolling. Like, it is so much easier to understand Russia once you understand that, like, any single international move they make can be followed with like eight winky face emoji's." That assessment aged well exactly 1 year and 12 days after this was posted.
I have memories as young person frustatedly yelling at my parents because turn right or left are perspective-dependent; clockwise is rightward over the distal part of the handle and leftward on the proximal side, and also reverse with the orientation of the threaded piece. Neither of them had ever thought about it.
Also, they were good at camera lenses. The cheap (but *VERY* well-built) Helios-44-2 has a cult following, the Helios-40-2 is sought after for its crazy swirly bokeh, the Jupiter 37A and Jupiter 11A are ludicrously sharp 135mm lenses, the Jupiter-21 (both the A and M variants) is a tack-sharp 200mm tank that is more than sharp enough for modern high-res cameras, the Tair-3s Photosniper is probably the best 300mm vintage lens there is (weight be damned), the Tair-11A has heavenly bokeh, the Industar-69 is a tiny wide-angle lens that's fun to use, etc. QC was not great (I got only one dud, which isn't that bad), but good copies are objectively very good.
Fun fact regarding alligators, steamboats, and shallow water: there used to exist a class of amphibious vehicle referred to as an "alligator boat", a type of steam tugboat used for logging. They operated in North America and Canada and were equipped with a flat bottom and winch, which they'd use to pull themselves across beds of logs to move between lakes, where they'd work by moving the logs about. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_boat
Reminds me of the heady days of Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin when the world trembled at the sound of our rocketsshh. And they will tremble again, at the sound of Milo's silly accents.
In IGNITION! John D Clark says something along the lines of "it would be quicker to list the things that high test peroxide doesn't explosively decompose with..." The Soviets had a couple of rocket motors explode because someone used the wrong solder on part of the gas generating system (that used H202).
They would run those bastards at FIVE KNOTS with ONE SCREW just to be THAT MUCH MORE QUIET....under THE ICEPACK! The Soviets, for all their failings elsewhere, were MASTERS of undersea engineering.
I mean, our ballistic missile subs also do 5 knots with one screw to be really quiet, plus some other cool stuff I'm not sure is classified so I won't talk about it.
@@MrJohndoakes ballistic missile subs don't deploy seals to my knowledge. I think some of the refit ssgns repurposed a missile tube to do that. And the ssns did that beforehand and still do.
I discovered your podcast about three weeks ago. I caught up this morning. I drive for a living. This stuff happens. My wife is an engineer, and occasionally I'll point to the screen and say "this one's about the _____". She usually groans or rolls her eyes. The Osprey episode got the biggest response.
Now "help I'm trapped in a podcasting factory" is literally in the transcription of the episode. This is very boy cries wolf territory. The difference between is with Hammond is crashed vehicle causes brain damage. In Musk's case it's the reverse. The submarine drill was to attach the demolition charge. Drill, light fuze, charge on a rope attached to drill bit, pedal away, boom. "A nice excursion" turns out to have been "an ex-Kurskan".
20:26 the squared off nose is actually faster underwater..... . like, the only reason they had a normal "ships bow" was because they were surface ships that COULD go under water (for short periods) when you have a nuke.... ya just stay under water 24/7 . this is why modern SSN's are actually faster when under the water..... ya might get 20 knots on the surface but can do like 35 knots at 300 meters deep
Glad I stuck around to hear about the Safety Third, because it reminded me it's been 9 days since I requested a new carbon monoxide alarm from my landlord, after the last one started doing the 'replace me' beeps. ps good podcast
The Kursk is one of those stories that objectively I find fascinating but just can't watch anything about. I'm old enough to have Waco, Oklahoma City, TWA 800, Columbine, 9/11 all in my formative-years memory bank but I remember following the Kursk story as it happened and hoping, as everyone did, that the sailors could be saved. The idea of being trapped, knowing you are going to die, leaving messages for loved ones...that is the stuff of nightmares.
You missed or skipped over how the sub was recovered. A Dutch contractor actually sawed off the bow using a long abrasive cable that looped under the sub and back to the ship on the surface that powered the cable loop.
I hate when people say NASA is stupid because Russia used pencils. Hey genius, NASA didn't want eraser chunks and graphite dust floating around the capsule.
If we're talking about HTP, you've got to mention the fact that a few people tried to use it to propel submarines, not just torpedoes. In theory, HTP subs could run at high speeds underwater for fairly long periods with traditional diesel fuels. The only problem was that they might explode if seawater got in. The Germans started it in WWII, with a guy named Hellmuth Walter, who produced a few experimental subs of the Type XVII class. In 1945, the RN captured one, and named it HMS Meteorite. She was soon deemed to be only 75% safe, and replaced with two new boats, Explorer and Excalibur. These recieved the nicknames 'Exploder' and 'Exciter' respectively, and, while they were very fast, were soon abandoned due to the risks. Everyone else went for much safer methods like nuclear reactors.
I think the 'proper' way to 'hit' a ship with a torpedo isn't to hit it directly but for it to explode just under it's keel, as the resulting air bubble displaces the water supporting the keel from underneath. The Keel then snaps and the targeted boat sinks much faster than if merely had a huge chunk blown out of i.
I have a Soviet OKEAH watch (mechanical, hand wound) from the early 80s and it keeps great time! Had it serviced when I got it and it's been reliable for years since
I feel like this would have been a good week to bring back “Welcome to Well There’s Your Problem, a podcast about engineering disasters which is itself a disaster “
Timestamps: 0:00:00 Setup 0:02:06 A Podcast With Slibes 0:02:38 WTYP Will Never Have Chapters, Alice Can't Do Transcription 0:03:57 Intro 0:06:02 The GD News: Climate Change Still Bad 0:09:00 The GD News: Rocket Fall Down 0:12:05 Context: Early Submarines 0:18:48 Context: Nuclear Submarines 0:22:07 Context: Submarines in The Cold war 0:25:35 Context: Torpedoes 0:27:40 Context: Thiccest Soviet Submarine 0:35:00 Context: Effect of Capitalism on The Red Fleet 0:39:03 Context: Post-Soviet Russian Leadership and Exercise Summer X 0:43:26 Context: HMS Sidon and HTP 0:48:36 Torpedo Stuff, Open Hatch 0:52:58 11:29am and 34 seconds 0:57:00 Effect on Nuclear Reactor 0:57:53 Bad News: Some People OK 1:02:25 Meanwhile, On The Surface 1:08:50 Context: Potassium Superoxide 1:11:46 Emergency Oxygen Cannisters 1:15:26 International Aid 1:21:17 Rare Putins 1:28:38 Recovery and Human Cost 1:33:58 Safety Third: Magic Headache Pizza Oven The Lions Led By Donkeys Episode recommended by Liam at 0:17:25 is Episode 34.
Y’all might joke about a Soviet sub named for landlocked Smolensk, but every time I visit the VA I walk past a picture of the USS Asheville, a nuclear-powered fast attack submarine currently in service with the US Navy. Asheville is located in the mountains of North Carolina. The closest thing to the sea here is the French Broad River which is like 20 feet deep at maximum and is hundreds of miles from the ocean and hundreds of feet in elevation above it. It might not be *more* landlocked than Smolensk, but it’s definitely pretty damned close.
Joking about torpedoeing Soviet-affiliated whales is all fun and games until you remember that the Russian Navy actually has a number of trained whales
30:20 Re soviet consumer products that are good, I have a very functional Kvarts Super-8mm film camera that got me through film school and it still works great, the main drive is spring-wind but its' really got a smooth, solid winding mechanism. The lens is small so the widest T-stop is a little too high and I can't find batteries for the in-camera meter but otherwise it's great. Finding super-8 film nowadays though...
There are actually multiple reports of submariners fishing. Especially during WW2. Modern subs aren't really designed with portholes that you'd want to open often at sea, but fishing from older US subs and U-boats was absolutely a thing.
SSN-571 *did* have a hydrodynamic hull, directly adapted from the Type XXI. It was just optimized for underwater operations. The other Nautilus (SS-168) was optimized for surface running because that's where it spent most of its time. You can see similar hull shapes on all the post-war submarine classes because the all cribbed from the XXI, which was extraordinarily well executed. Then with advances in modelling it got replaced by the teardrop hull.
The Blue Meanie theory is actually pretty solid. Putin did have that Time interview back in the aughts where he said The Beatles were his favorite band. That being said, I actually think Ringo just went up the Kursk and sank it with the hole in his pocket
My ex's dad did compulsory military service in the USSR, and the vehicle he drove has an issue where the fuel level would be too low for the the tank to supply the engine; if you didn't have fuel on hand youd put water in there instead
The body in the ceiling reminds me of deadpool 1 where that guy get smacked into the overhead sign. Bit for the remains to still be there to be found like that it must have been some force
Actually Khrushchev brought an extra shoe with him intending to use it as a prop. There is a photo showing him with both shoes on while waving the extra prop shoe.
>torpedo is called fat
>torpedo is a dummy
>tfw u have a dummy thick torpedo
Hnnng Colonel, I’m dummy thicc and the clapping of my ass cheeks sunk a Russian submarine
now this is the kind of comment I like to see
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Clearly the issue with the Kursk was that the front fell off.
Is that typical?
No, not really
ex-Soviet submarines are disposed of by towing them outside the environment
@@alexroselle what’s out there?
@@robspecht9550 Sea, and birds, and fish... and 20,000 tonnes of crude oil... and a fire... and the part of the ship that the front fell off... but there's nothing ELSE out there!
my father(who is is from soviet union) always told me that Khusrchev's shoe thing is about being too fat . The thing is that it is difficult adjusting your shoe while fat, so Khrushchev started his tirade while adjusting his shoe and was caught in the moment of pure socialist Khrushchev-splaining to the UN.
He's spot on, Khrushchev mentions that little tidbit in his autobiography. Next time you're talking to some running dog of the yankee imperialists, give it a try. You'll be glad you did.
do you think khrushchev had drip
I love that the DUKE NUKEM account is here. I played that series so much as a kid, until I got tired of waiting for that one - havent played any since then.
@@paulmasoner8073 it's not the official duke
@@AliceYobby I'm pretty sure it is, his name is Duke Nukem after all
The soviet submarine with the swimming pool on it was the Typhoon class, a stupidly big but awesome ballistic missile carrier vessel that's basically five small submarines strapped together in a single outer hull. You could genuinely do a WtYP episode on soviet sub designs in the style and to the length of the gulf state vanity projects episode. Highlight for me are the Alpha class, which were tiny, highly automated, and stupidly fast. They were fitted with molten lead-cooled reactors, which would freeze solid if you let them get too cold, so the Alphas needed port facilities that could keep their reactors hot. The Soviets built like seven of them and none of the requisite port facilities, so the subs had to keep their reactors running at all times in order to not brick themselves.
The Akula has a pool too. Guess it was just a trend in 80s Russian subs.
The Akula and the Typhoon are different names for the same sub.
They were also to loud to let their own sonar detect anything. Fast and blind
Confusingly, the Soviets called what NATO calls the Typhoon class SSBN Project 941 Akula, while there’s a separate class of SSN that NATO calls the Akula (seemingly deciding that they got bored with the phonetic alphabet naming system) which the Russians call Project 971 Shchuka-B
The channel "Sub Brief" does really good breakdowns of all the common worldwide subs, and it's run by a ex-US sonar operator. A gem of a channel ;)
Former engineer (former thanks to America's response to the pandemic) in the commerical food service equipment industry and I support the hell out of the requirement for CO detectors
Former food service employee (former thanks to Murica's response to the pandemic) and I also support the hell out of the requirement for CO detectors. If my old boss who was barely making ends meet can afford CO detectors in his restaurant, surely a national chain can.
@@matriarch4882 former food service worker. We almost died due to a CO2 leak from one of our burners that a detector probably would've caught so I too support this.
Former process engineer (former thanks to the rampant antivaxxer stance of blue collar workers) in the paper industry
For as much as alice regularly interruptsin all other circumstances, shes incredibly good at keeping pace as a presenter. Let her do more of this!
Agreed. It's a nice change to let different members of the show run an episode.
*taps head* can't interrupt the presenter if you're the one presenting!
Yaa, She's a queen of the show 😄
If Alice hosts, then she cannot interrupt Roz.
Interrupting men is simply reparations
"It had a swimming pool .... eventually" has to be the most cursed bit in 55 episodes of this show. And it cracked me up.
now superceded by the German homogenization machine
Did you crack up as much as the Kursk?
In 1994 Yeltsin was in Philly, wandering around the streets at night drunk in his underwear, trying to wave down taxis. He screamed at Secret Service agents when they found him. The day after, he very nearly snuck out yet again, being detained by the Secret Service, who mistook him for a homeless intruder. This sort of thing happened *all the time* with Yeltsin. The guy was a legend at sneaking past both his own security details and the Secret Service.
So, anyways! Submarines kinda tweak a particular neuron in my weird obsessive dork brain, so here's a couple additional details for y'all:
-The tiny drill on the Turtle was actually to create a hole in which to stick a bomb, so it wasn't *quite* as dumb as it seems. However, when the guy who made it actually attempted to go sink a British ship with it, it turned out that the ship's hull was clad with copper plates, which honestly was not uncommon at that point and he really should have expected it.
-If you count the fact that the Hunley sunk immediately after torpedoing the Housatonic (and yes Alice I caught your Lovecraft joke there :P), it actually killed *three* of its crews. Also, fun fact, Hunley himself was part of the second crew that got killed. Both the first two crews died because the thing sank in a lake while they were testing it out. Also, the torpedo spar that it rammed into the Housatonic was fired by a pull cord on a reel. The idea was the sub would back up far enough to be safe and the cord would go taut, detonating the torpedo. They think, though, that the reel got jammed before they were at the full range and detonated the torpedo accidentally, and the blast was enough to start dumping water into the Hunley, which set up a feedback loop of water goes in ->sub sinks lower -> more water goes in -> GOTO 10.
There you go! Enjoy! I'm sorry!
That's a very BASIC joke you made.
They should have linted out GOTO.
Because ship worms were such a common problem a lot of ships were built with either copper plating or a secondary hull under the water line. The idea of using a hand crank drill in the apple to punch through either two layers of hull planking or sheet metal is pretty ridiculous
@@evamiller4886 AFAIK the copper was fairly thin stuff, but even a couple millimetres of copper to make the drill bit skitter around rather than bite into the wood would make actually drilling anything a bitch when everything is manually operated.
I remember going to visit the Hunley in South Carolina in 2010, at the time they hadn't figured out that the explosive had sunk the submarine and assumed the crew died of asphyxiation while returning from the raid
Kursk wasn't really a disaster, submarines are supposed to be underwater - that's the whole point of a submarine. The fact that it imploded and was lost with all hands is secondary and therefore irrelevant. Thus the Kursk was a success, not a disaster.
#DestroyedWithFactsAndLogic
It was built to blow things up and it blew things up, great success
It didn't implode. The front exploded, and the back 2/3 just sank, in the classical sense.
@@KJamesMellick So you're saying it was 2/3 successful
Just like SN8 and SN9
@@Randomstuffs261 lmfao 🤣
Speaking of exploding whales, ever heard of the Oregon whale carcass demolition? They tried to blow up a rotting whale with dynamite and ended up coating the entire beach and parking lot in massive chunks of rotting whale flesh.
50 year anniversary was a few months ago, they remastered the footage ua-cam.com/video/V6CLumsir34/v-deo.html :D
I think we've all seen the exploding whale. It's so emblematic of humanity.
@@biggle_man yea im not watching that.
the first few seconds feature roz's browser with several Something Awful tabs open in Chrome and you ask if he's heard of the exploded whale?
@@biggle_man the best part is that the guy who originally took the footage was DELUGED with requests for it, and he had a strict policy of telling anyone who said they wanted it for scientific/strategic/whateverthefuck noble justification to fuck off
you only got his whalesplosion footage if you were honest about the fact you just wanted it because you thought it looked cool
Episode suggestion: The Granville Train Disaster, the deadliest rail incident in Australian history. Featuring a locomotive that caused 2/3 of all the accidents its entire class had in their lifetime, a driver with an unpronounceable name (unless you are Polish), a train headbutting a bridge, and liquefied human.
As far as I know, the coroners report can be borrowed from the NSW State Library, and there's a few documentaries on the disaster as well.
Trains headbutting bridges are always bad. Just look at the Eschede derailment, which seems to have some things in commong with the Granville one. Namely the carriages getting flattened by a collapsing bridge.
The bridge should have got out of the way
To be fair most Australian bridges are also improvised can openers for trucks and things of that nature. The Montague street bridge in Melbourne is a great example of that.
After the incident, they did away with the support piers for the replacement bridge by making it _more rigid_ .
Milo's various voices absolutely made this episode.
I've listened to this a half-dozen times and I've ended up cackling at his Trump impression every single time
@@miche1df 100%! Both in content and in tone
if alice is de-syncing over that time frame, she might want to check her record sample rate. could be that she is at 44.1 and the rest are at 48 (or a multiple thereof) or vice versa.
I came all the way back to this video to thank you, because I read your comment two weeks ago and then just now realized that this was why my audio would end up out of sync after a couple hours when streaming or recording from my HDMI capture card. OBS and my output were running at 48, but that specific input was recording at 44.1. so thank you!
@@queenkjuul always nice when the comments section goes right!
I believe she's playing the long game to get them to give up and have Nate produce their podcast. This is not for altruistic reasons, but annoy Nate with Philly accents and mispronunciation of words that makes Joe from LLBD's sound like Will Lyman.
"It's much easier to understand Russia once you realize their foreign policy is based on trolling"
Paraphrasing, but that does make a lot of sense.
"You fool! Now we shall both surely perish!", cried Trump. "Why would you do that?"
"Lol", said Putin. "Lmao."
Alice taking pains not to mis-gender the submarine
Depressing stuff, it's a tragedy here ever since it happened. It's like a wound. Just pointless and every time it's brought up the country hurts. Thank you for talking about it, funnily enough despite being a raunchy comedy podcast you still manage to sometimes outline the gravity of what happened like in your Bhopal episodes. So hope to listen to your coverage of Kursk soon. Thank you for making this.
My condolences to Russia.
Well, I had a heart attack on Monday and I just wanted to say that the pod is probably the best thing that has happened to me in the hospital. If you ever have a testimonials section, you should add that.
Oof, hope you're okay man, feel better!!!
They can say that it's now a prescription heart medication.
Get well!
Here's hope for a good recovery.☺️
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-a furry
I worked for a small gay wedding cake bakery and cafe for a number of years. It was small and barely profitable, but the owner was also extremely cheap and a little on the hoarder side of things.
To save money in the summer or winter we were not allowed to run the hood system. He would keep the doors closed so the cold or warm air from the dining room didn't get wasted on the kitchen.
On one side of the building in the strip was a pottery company that would set their kilns to fire over night when they left at 5pm. There was a leak that resulted in us being able to smell the thick kiln exhaust in our kitchen and basement store room. CO may be odorless but CO rich air seems to have a few traits that are common to it. It smelled like a furnace dump pipe. This happened at least every Friday.
The one other cook and I kept getting headaches and feeling shitty. We figured we just needed to not get so stoned before work or it was because the kitchen was 117f thru the summer months.
After a day or two I figured out we were getting CO poisoning but put up with it for months.
Eventually my gf secretly reported my boss to osha because she was tired of me complaining about getting sick. She even sent them pictures I'd taken inside showing the temps, closed door, and good switches off that I'd sent her when bitching about it on night.
He didnt reply to their fist letter so they fined him 1000 dollars.
They showed up a month later outside business hours, bought his excuse about that being why the hoods were off, and made him replace a 15 dollar fan belt that was squeaking. That was it.
There was also like holes rotten thru the floor of this place in constantly damp areas.
Now, in a business with 4 total employees, the anonymous quality of the osha report wasn't really helpful.
I took the blame and quit so my coworker didn't get blamed.
They never investigated the pottery company.
Milo continues to build on the theory that every TrashFuture host is actually a foreign intelligence agent
Best guest ever on this podcast. Haven't laughed so hard at an episode in a while.
I'd still put Mia Mulder at no.1 but Milo just nails the attitude and the accent
Milo's range of impressions is glorious and his Trump bit (42:40) had me in stitches!
He's pretty good in this but he's even better in the Nedelin disaster episode.
Reporting saftey issue. Manager angry. Manager yells at safety representative. Manager yells at everybody to continue. Classic.
Not even two hours, slacking this week
wtyp: "yeah sorry this episode ended up really long"
us: "moar pls"
6 hour podcast when?
"We can kind of see the limiting factor here, and that is that it requires eight dudes cranking hog in order to move the thing."
Oh cool, I didn’t know Milo was a submarine engineer. Suppose it does make sense though, he’s small enough to clean out the torpedo tubes
I hate to be that guy and ruin your joke, but torpedo tubes are between 533mm-650mm (21 in-25in) in diameter, and are so even non-fun sized people are perfectly capable of getting up inside them.
Can confirm, 5'9" 195 pound guy me climbed into a torpedo tube and kissed the muzzle door while getting blasted with a fire hose for my shellback ceremony.
@@WaterMan416 shellback?
@@anarchomando7707 it's what you become when you cross the equator on a ship. Most sailors do a goofy ceremony that is part weird and part disgusting, where the shellbacks initiate the uninitiated. In the past, it was sometimes violent and a form of hazing, but these days it's usually just a morale boosting activity. One key thing is you get "baptized" with sea water, hence the fire hose. There's also golden dragon, for crossing the 180th meridian, golden shellback for crossing the 180th and equator at the same time, emerald shellback for equator and prime meridian, and a bunch of other things. American sailors, mainly submariners, also do order of the blue nose for crossing the arctic circle.
@@WaterMan416 that how you spell it(I knew of the basic concept but I did not know how to actually spell it
Watching this in preparation for the next Goddamn News about the gamer billionaire titanic sub
cAME UP IN MY RECCOMENDEDS CAUSE O THAT SHI
The Kursk was one of the first disasters I experienced on the news as a child. It was so stressful watching the news like "they tried and failed to rescue them again, today! But the guys in there are still knocking on the door from the inside! Don't worry, they're trained to save oxygen!" And little child me was horrified at all this. How do you just lie in there trying not to breathe too much? And then, at some day, the knocking stopped and apparently, all chambers were filled with water. That really screwed with my head a few days. Still haunts me.
Russians were seriously afraid of the EU getting into their weakaf sub and exclaiming "damn b/tch you live like this"
Fantastic episode!! New favorite.
Drawing that face on the sub was a wonderful, hilarious touch.
I alt+tab'd away for a minute, and when I came back that had magically appeared... I promptly burst the hell out laughing. 😂
Kinda sad that after the ‘and there has been no problems in the russian navy since’ there wasn’t a slide of their mobile dockyard burning down
…or their flagship getting sunk by a single Ukrainian missile lmao
Sadly a bit too early for it to just be written down 'Russian warship, go fuck yourself.'
@@deeznoots6241 simply the latest addition to russian submarine forces
@@q3st1on19 Lol okay this one takes the cake
Yes exactly enough time to listen this before and during my class
ayy wwu i dropped the fuck outta there lmao
Wait a minute. Jackson Hoppis, with a Bellingham flag? im pretty sure our parents IRL are friends. small world.
No matter how unrelated each subject is to France, roz will always find a way to snark "hon hon hon" in each one.
Really looking forward to the "hon hon hon" in upcoming Tacoma narrows bridge episode.
The torpedo is hollow like in The Spy Who Loved Me, but instead of James Bond there's an old Japanese Fisherman inside who pops out to harpoon the whale
Imagining evil Sulu doing that in the Mirror version of Star Trek IV now.
Ah yes, the classic "Lefty-locky, righty-relaxy" strategy.
AvE says, "righty tighty, lefty loosey, except when it isn't"
It is common in pumbing - it ensures that your main is not connected to your sewer... unless you like gas buildup.
Also it is on some parts in which the action of the part would natrually put pressure in the direction of the loosening - if you inverse the threads - you can have this action tighten the join.
The soviets actually used a principle of this with water pressure in their Amphiba diver watches - as the water pressure increases, the case presses in on a large gasket - and the dome of the crystal presses onto the watch face and into rhe case. This means that at surface pressures the watch is the least water proof, and until the crush depth, it actually becomes tighter and tighter.
@@jb03hfthat just sounds like waterproofing with extra steps
Fuuuuck me, the idea of being trapped in the cold dark, for three days, while the air goes bad by slow degrees is a whole 'nother kind of awful
Yup, there's a horror movie set in exactly that setting, and it's the only horror film that still haunts me to this day.
Don't forget the absolute pandamonium of halfway through that a fire starts ON the water you're in...
Alice, as a Kansas City native, your condolences are greatly appreciated in these dark and trying times.
Don't forget when you accidentally start your diesel engine underwater and it BURSTS EVERYONES EAR DRUMS.
....Or how about German Kriegsmarine U-boat schnokel accidents where the pipe got plugged and the MAN diesels blew the line to keep sucking in air, so the crew was subjected to an astronaut training-style loss of air pressure incident for a few seconds until the motorman killed the engines. Are we talking about the same thing? www.uboat.net
Safety Third: Remember, as long as the dead bodies aren't in the way or crucial to production they are NOT a 'lost time accident'.
shout out to that time a coworker of mine was told to go ask a customer to have their dog on a leash in the store and got shot in the face for it, and before anyone administered any aide or instructed anyone to go get medical aide a manager grab the badge off of the dying man, handed it to me & told me to go clock him out.
@@tabula_rosa **rubs eyes**
What
The
Fuck?
Alice: "... diving bells."
Me: Yes Alice, we already had an episode about why diving bells are bad.
That was a good episode to decompress to.
dudes in a submarine: i'm about to make the whale explosion in florence look like a fucking firecracker
The whalesplosion
1:27:52 "like, all of their international affairs moves are just trolling. Like, it is so much easier to understand Russia once you understand that, like, any single international move they make can be followed with like eight winky face emoji's." That assessment aged well exactly 1 year and 12 days after this was posted.
I have memories as young person frustatedly yelling at my parents because turn right or left are perspective-dependent; clockwise is rightward over the distal part of the handle and leftward on the proximal side, and also reverse with the orientation of the threaded piece. Neither of them had ever thought about it.
The soviets/russians were pretty good at vacuum tubes later on. They're still sought after in the tube rolling markets.
Also, they were good at camera lenses. The cheap (but *VERY* well-built) Helios-44-2 has a cult following, the Helios-40-2 is sought after for its crazy swirly bokeh, the Jupiter 37A and Jupiter 11A are ludicrously sharp 135mm lenses, the Jupiter-21 (both the A and M variants) is a tack-sharp 200mm tank that is more than sharp enough for modern high-res cameras, the Tair-3s Photosniper is probably the best 300mm vintage lens there is (weight be damned), the Tair-11A has heavenly bokeh, the Industar-69 is a tiny wide-angle lens that's fun to use, etc. QC was not great (I got only one dud, which isn't that bad), but good copies are objectively very good.
@@tomhsia4354 i got a really heavy "tair" lens from my dad and i can confirm, they made some good lenses
Fun fact regarding alligators, steamboats, and shallow water: there used to exist a class of amphibious vehicle referred to as an "alligator boat", a type of steam tugboat used for logging. They operated in North America and Canada and were equipped with a flat bottom and winch, which they'd use to pull themselves across beds of logs to move between lakes, where they'd work by moving the logs about.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_boat
Putin nurturing an image of himself as a late-to-every-party it girl makes sense somehow.
Last time I was this early, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge was still up.
the bridge or the episode?
@@BlameAmes yes
"It's operable in a Sylvia Platt's sense' is a really underappreciated but fucking crazy dark joke haha
Did some googling, made myself sad. Thanks.
@@geoffreygriffiths1385 if you ever feel like being sad, her book "The Bell Jar" is amazing
Reminds me of the heady days of Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin when the world trembled at the sound of our rocketsshh. And they will tremble again, at the sound of Milo's silly accents.
The 'I do renovation' had me in tears.
0:45 the gun-to-the-head reading of "people told us to count him out" really sells it.
I simply adore the way British people say "glacier". Just putting it out there.
My grandfather had a mysterious unplanned meeting overseas when this happened. He was an "engineer" for the government.
If Pepsi would’ve gave away these warships in the 90s by saving enough Pepsi points I’d be dead from diabetes.
Pepsi harrier pls.
In IGNITION! John D Clark says something along the lines of "it would be quicker to list the things that high test peroxide doesn't explosively decompose with..." The Soviets had a couple of rocket motors explode because someone used the wrong solder on part of the gas generating system (that used H202).
Typhoon class missile subs have a small pool, gymnasium, etc.
The joys of having two separate hulls, gives you lots of space.
They would run those bastards at FIVE KNOTS with ONE SCREW just to be THAT MUCH MORE QUIET....under THE ICEPACK! The Soviets, for all their failings elsewhere, were MASTERS of undersea engineering.
I mean, our ballistic missile subs also do 5 knots with one screw to be really quiet, plus some other cool stuff I'm not sure is classified so I won't talk about it.
Akula's supposedly do too. Just seems to have been something the navy wanted when possible.
@@WaterMan416 Like slipping Navy SEALs out of the torpedo tubes to do all sorts of commando badassery underwater?
@@MrJohndoakes ballistic missile subs don't deploy seals to my knowledge. I think some of the refit ssgns repurposed a missile tube to do that. And the ssns did that beforehand and still do.
I discovered your podcast about three weeks ago. I caught up this morning.
I drive for a living. This stuff happens.
My wife is an engineer, and occasionally I'll point to the screen and say "this one's about the _____". She usually groans or rolls her eyes.
The Osprey episode got the biggest response.
Now "help I'm trapped in a podcasting factory" is literally in the transcription of the episode. This is very boy cries wolf territory.
The difference between is with Hammond is crashed vehicle causes brain damage. In Musk's case it's the reverse.
The submarine drill was to attach the demolition charge. Drill, light fuze, charge on a rope attached to drill bit, pedal away, boom.
"A nice excursion" turns out to have been "an ex-Kurskan".
20:26 the squared off nose is actually faster underwater.....
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like, the only reason they had a normal "ships bow" was because they were surface ships that COULD go under water (for short periods)
when you have a nuke.... ya just stay under water 24/7
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this is why modern SSN's are actually faster when under the water.....
ya might get 20 knots on the surface
but can do like 35 knots at 300 meters deep
Milo’s Norwegian accent was fucking perfect.
it's weird hearing Milo mixed different, absolutely did not realise who séa was initially
Glad I stuck around to hear about the Safety Third, because it reminded me it's been 9 days since I requested a new carbon monoxide alarm from my landlord, after the last one started doing the 'replace me' beeps. ps good podcast
the good news is now you dont have to pay rent.
@@dogvoter6473 Why's that?
The Kursk is one of those stories that objectively I find fascinating but just can't watch anything about. I'm old enough to have Waco, Oklahoma City, TWA 800, Columbine, 9/11 all in my formative-years memory bank but I remember following the Kursk story as it happened and hoping, as everyone did, that the sailors could be saved. The idea of being trapped, knowing you are going to die, leaving messages for loved ones...that is the stuff of nightmares.
Exploded whales: the horse viscera of the sea.
Only dynamite can reduce a whale to a soup-like homogenate in under 20 minutes
@@deeznoots6241 unfortunately for the guy so set it off, no it can’t. The roof of his car was caved in by a hunk of whale.
33:51
>What happened to Kursk?
"It sank"
"the floatation of the kursk has evolved not necessarily to the boat's advantage"
Well it is a submarine
Putin actually believes himself to be early for everything, but no one has the guts to tell him clocks go the other way.
Could this be related to the confusion as to which way the delicate sub hatch is to be turned?
You missed or skipped over how the sub was recovered. A Dutch contractor actually sawed off the bow using a long abrasive cable that looped under the sub and back to the ship on the surface that powered the cable loop.
Not quite it was diver operated
Listening to this instead of studying for my drexel engineering midterm, I feel like it's a good use of my time
I hate when people say NASA is stupid because Russia used pencils. Hey genius, NASA didn't want eraser chunks and graphite dust floating around the capsule.
The real disaster was getting this video uploaded amirite
If we're talking about HTP, you've got to mention the fact that a few people tried to use it to propel submarines, not just torpedoes. In theory, HTP subs could run at high speeds underwater for fairly long periods with traditional diesel fuels. The only problem was that they might explode if seawater got in. The Germans started it in WWII, with a guy named Hellmuth Walter, who produced a few experimental subs of the Type XVII class. In 1945, the RN captured one, and named it HMS Meteorite. She was soon deemed to be only 75% safe, and replaced with two new boats, Explorer and Excalibur. These recieved the nicknames 'Exploder' and 'Exciter' respectively, and, while they were very fast, were soon abandoned due to the risks. Everyone else went for much safer methods like nuclear reactors.
The drill you guys pointed out on the first sub was actually used to attach a time bomb (called the torpedo then) to the enemy hull.
More Milo, more Russian. Every episode. And the Nedelin Disaster.
boy do i have good news for you
Roc was on point with the John Madden this episode.
(Paraphrasing) "And safety would be paramount in the russian navy from now on" ... aged very, very well listening to it in 2024.
I think the 'proper' way to 'hit' a ship with a torpedo isn't to hit it directly but for it to explode just under it's keel, as the resulting air bubble displaces the water supporting the keel from underneath. The Keel then snaps and the targeted boat sinks much faster than if merely had a huge chunk blown out of i.
I have a Soviet OKEAH watch (mechanical, hand wound) from the early 80s and it keeps great time! Had it serviced when I got it and it's been reliable for years since
I have Vostoks and Rocketas... they are wonderful. And Putin wears swiss ones anyhow - he is just an ass.
I feel like this would have been a good week to bring back “Welcome to Well There’s Your Problem, a podcast about engineering disasters which is itself a disaster “
46:20 - "Because to make it safe is gay" and "because we are not women, and we like to die" both got me good.
Listened to this on podcast. Came to UA-cam for the slides. ❤️👍🔥
Timestamps:
0:00:00 Setup
0:02:06 A Podcast With Slibes
0:02:38 WTYP Will Never Have Chapters, Alice Can't Do Transcription
0:03:57 Intro
0:06:02 The GD News: Climate Change Still Bad
0:09:00 The GD News: Rocket Fall Down
0:12:05 Context: Early Submarines
0:18:48 Context: Nuclear Submarines
0:22:07 Context: Submarines in The Cold war
0:25:35 Context: Torpedoes
0:27:40 Context: Thiccest Soviet Submarine
0:35:00 Context: Effect of Capitalism on The Red Fleet
0:39:03 Context: Post-Soviet Russian Leadership and Exercise Summer X
0:43:26 Context: HMS Sidon and HTP
0:48:36 Torpedo Stuff, Open Hatch
0:52:58 11:29am and 34 seconds
0:57:00 Effect on Nuclear Reactor
0:57:53 Bad News: Some People OK
1:02:25 Meanwhile, On The Surface
1:08:50 Context: Potassium Superoxide
1:11:46 Emergency Oxygen Cannisters
1:15:26 International Aid
1:21:17 Rare Putins
1:28:38 Recovery and Human Cost
1:33:58 Safety Third: Magic Headache Pizza Oven
The Lions Led By Donkeys Episode recommended by Liam at 0:17:25 is Episode 34.
Y’all might joke about a Soviet sub named for landlocked Smolensk, but every time I visit the VA I walk past a picture of the USS Asheville, a nuclear-powered fast attack submarine currently in service with the US Navy.
Asheville is located in the mountains of North Carolina. The closest thing to the sea here is the French Broad River which is like 20 feet deep at maximum and is hundreds of miles from the ocean and hundreds of feet in elevation above it. It might not be *more* landlocked than Smolensk, but it’s definitely pretty damned close.
Joking about torpedoeing Soviet-affiliated whales is all fun and games until you remember that the Russian Navy actually has a number of trained whales
Wasn't it dolphins?
@@ethanrobinson6016 Wasn't :D
Fuck yeah, been waiting for milo to be a guest
milo: says something in russian
me, who doesn't speak russian whatsoever: hell yeah
I'll donate to the Lada fund if you promise to podcast from it.
The pepsi story is an urban legend though. They never actually received the ships.
They did own the ships for the moments it took to sign the contracts to send them to the scrap yards who paid them for the metal in a proper currency.
30:20 Re soviet consumer products that are good, I have a very functional Kvarts Super-8mm film camera that got me through film school and it still works great, the main drive is spring-wind but its' really got a smooth, solid winding mechanism.
The lens is small so the widest T-stop is a little too high and I can't find batteries for the in-camera meter but otherwise it's great.
Finding super-8 film nowadays though...
“Hello I’m Submarine Kursk and my pronouns are they/them”
Was/were
"No, NATO submarines know where they are going"
Yeah until they crash into other NATO submarines in the middle of a vast ocean
Like that time a English nuclear submarine had a small collision with a French nuclear submarine (or the other way around)
Or crash into a rock like the USS San Francisco
Or hit an underwater mountain
They know where they are going. They just don't know where all the other NATO subs are going.
There are actually multiple reports of submariners fishing. Especially during WW2. Modern subs aren't really designed with portholes that you'd want to open often at sea, but fishing from older US subs and U-boats was absolutely a thing.
SSN-571 *did* have a hydrodynamic hull, directly adapted from the Type XXI. It was just optimized for underwater operations. The other Nautilus (SS-168) was optimized for surface running because that's where it spent most of its time.
You can see similar hull shapes on all the post-war submarine classes because the all cribbed from the XXI, which was extraordinarily well executed. Then with advances in modelling it got replaced by the teardrop hull.
The Blue Meanie theory is actually pretty solid. Putin did have that Time interview back in the aughts where he said The Beatles were his favorite band. That being said, I actually think Ringo just went up the Kursk and sank it with the hole in his pocket
My ex's dad did compulsory military service in the USSR, and the vehicle he drove has an issue where the fuel level would be too low for the the tank to supply the engine; if you didn't have fuel on hand youd put water in there instead
I know the drop for safety third is “shake hands with danger”, but I’ve always heard “safety is the danger” and been mildly confused and amused
I hear it that way half the time. I don't know why either.
I have exclusively heard "safety is the danger" and you've blown my mind
That crankshaft joke was criminally underappreciated
When you mentioned oxygen generator canisters, Valujet flight 592 immediately came to mind
Oof. Nasty one
Seeing a new upload makes my week or whatever. This is the exact content I exist on the internet for. Thank you folks
Under 2 hours! Smh what a let down.
The body in the ceiling reminds me of deadpool 1 where that guy get smacked into the overhead sign. Bit for the remains to still be there to be found like that it must have been some force
Actually Khrushchev brought an extra shoe with him intending to use it as a prop. There is a photo showing him with both shoes on while waving the extra prop shoe.