People comparing this to the Seagate Titan submarine don't understand - this is the COMPLETE opposite. This was their organs violently leaving their bodies. The Titan submarine implosion was their bodies violently entering their organs. COMPLETELY different.
The bodies of 3 of the divers killed during the oil rig accident were completely intact. There is a report with photos. They look like they are just passed out. They obviously had internal damage but only 1 diver had his body torn apart.
Ah yes, the classic "we were supposed to install a device that would have prevented this exact accident from occurring, but nah that'd be expensive, I'm sure it'll be fine!"
This gelatinized, undifferentiated mass of human labor, is what we mean when we say "abstract human labor." Abstract human labor, the commodity, is crushed and rendered blood and sinew and bone. Defective diving bells are machines for abstracting human labor from living human beings.
34:00 I know this is two years old, but I have to say it’s still validating as hell now as an immunocompromised person to hear Liam talking about how it’s justifiably upsetting/that it matters how people don’t give a shit about us dying. In the time between this was posted and now I’ve had several friends pay with their lives for other people’s apathy, and now more than ever I (and people like me) could die any day because the wrong person decided to go to work sick or something, even though I’m doing everything in my power to not fucking die. It’s not like most people are testing for Covid anymore, and I don’t have words for the loss coming from ongoing isolation both socially and spiritually. There’s such an overwhelming desire by people to “go back to normal” and pretend the pandemic isn’t still a problem, it really does a number on your brain as a disabled/immunocompromised person to be constantly (and often viciously) told to shut the fuck up about it. It’s more dangerous than it ever was and we have virtually zero support. Anyway, it means a lot to just hear someone give a shit, even if it’s old. We’re still here and trying to survive
Currently have to work with a guy with it and nobody else gives a shit, meanwhile I never stopped wearing masks and having minimal contact because I don’t want to spread it especially as my job involves going to multiple places every day Some of us still care and are angry with you at them
Oh yeah? Well i wear a mask even when i sleep. I double the masks when i go for my weekly booster. If you are not vaxxmaxxing then don't Even talk to me
As a Norwegian, I'm glad you guys talked about this incident. The Norwegian government tends to ignore both human and environmental costs in the search of oil and gas. They are even willing to spend major money on quasi scientific research in order to keep the oil money flowing in. P.s. You did Norwegian pronunciation better then I expected. Good job!
I kinda wanna put Alice in charge of building a bridge, I'm sure the solid dam she builds out of tungsten carbide will work perfectly. Can't even have holes in it for the water or water traffic, as that'll reduce rigidity.
@@ewanhogg3068 great for piers in tidal areas. The marina in my local harbour has one. The ramp down is on a hinge and rollers, so it can be at pretty much any angle depending on the tide. It gets pretty extreme during full moon tides.
This could really just become a petrochemicals podcast. For some completely unexplainable reason bad things keep happening on, around, and as a result of oil rigs.
Yep. God's acts of love do be mysterious. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it involves people who don't care about safety fostering a culture that doesn't care about safety while searching for highly flammable chemicals usually found under pressure from even more flammable chemicals.
I do appreciate the firm anti-ocean stance this podcast takes. Nothing good happens in the deep. Thats literally where monsters live. We left for a reason.
Fun fact! Hyperbaric evacuation chambers were introduced for a really, really good reason - "Another tragedy, even more terrible because the men involved had much longer to contemplate their fate, killed a friend of mine. He was in the Far East doing saturation work in an oilfield construction barge. He was in the decompression chamber with the rest of his dive team when a hurricane developed and the barge began to founder. There are lifeboat chambers on barges and dive ships today, which can be launched over the side in such an emergency. The divers remain afloat in their chamber, controlling their own environment until a rescue comes. But there was no such system on that construction barge. The decompression chamber was fixed to the deck. There was no way of removing it and if the divers trapped inside had tried to leave it, they would have suffered an agonising death from the bends. Instead they were given time to write a last letter home, which they passed out through the hatch before the barge was abandoned. As the lifeboats moved away, the barge broke up and sank. The divers inside the decompression chamber went down with it to the bottom of the ocean." (Goldfinder, Keith Jessop & Neil Hanson)
“[Diving is] one of those hobbies that I really don’t respect. It’s right up there with mountaineering in terms of, like, the idiotic bullshit people do where, like… and I get, you know, taking risks and, like, that’s the only way you can feel alive-that and choking yourself while you jerk it-but like… again, it’s just not a thing I understand. It-God-like, if God wanted you to fucking go underwater, he would have given you gills." for some reason, today, June 24th 2023, I'm thinking of this quote from this episode.
I got covid. I was very lucky in that the symptoms weren’t bad, and I didn’t pass it on to my relatives.... Turns out, even after your tests start coming back negative, you can have this crushing fatigue for months or maybe years. I have no money and can’t get out of bed to work, and there’s no help on the horizon What I’m saying is, thank you for your rant, Liam. :)
It is the worse when Doctors don't believe you or understand what you are dealing with it isn't even the faced that you aren't getting treatment( I mean yes that is very bad)but to have a Doctor invalidate your lived experience is crushing you feel as though you are speaking a different language or that maybe you are hallucinating, why would someone ever do this to another person but no other people have gone through this too Doctors are just people too some are curious most are not they want clean simple answer so that is what they get simple answer find support people who believe you and bring them to all appointments it helps you don't feel so crazy.
I _think_ I got Covid, but it was back in January, when no one was testing and few people have even heard of it, although later waste water tests showed that the virus was in nearby Italy from December. I think it was Covid because it had all the main symptoms: first the dry cough (something I never had before although I catch something every year), then the fever that just won't go away for several days (I don't think I had fever for more than three days ever before), and coughs with mucus but almost no running nose (again unusual for me), and the loss of smell. I even had a regression into fever and mucus coughing after feeling fine for over a week, so altogether it lasted all of January. When it was finally over, I had this crushing fatigue for at least two weeks, where I felt tired after half a minute of walking and had to sit down after a five-minute walk. Fortunately, I didn't have any other long-lasting symptoms. The same back then mysterious disease went through at least five family members, in three steps of six days. Two of them (mother & child) contacted Covid (again?) in September (via the schoolbank neighbour of the child), but basically the only symptom was loss of smell.
@@jonne7725 Oh you sweet innocent child, thinking serious symptoms and long-lasting fallout coming to light might mean those in power would care... sigh, to be so innocent. If those in power cared _literally at all,_ they wouldn't have accepted cigarette company lobbying for decades nor accepted the testimony of bought and paid for oil industry "scientists" who denied climate change while they internally nailed the predictions. There is ample evidence those in power will _never_ care, yet people keep voting in evil idiots who don't care...
Suggestions for spin-off channels: WTYP Food: Rocz shows us how to make vodka pasta. Alice swears at Jamie Oliver and rudely critiques his attempts at Asian cooking. WTYP Health: Liam's advice is "go down to the Sheetz and buy a six-pack". WTYP Weather: Alice complains about the weather in Glasgow (this format will work irrespective of the time of year).
So WTYP Food is just Rocz being drunk and Alice slowly turning into Uncle Roger? I'd watch, especially if they keep Liam around to just rant about stuff
Honestly, we need a cooking episode where all three of them make something. Alice would spend all day reading which knife technique leads to most injuries. Liam would be drunk while ranting about sports. Rocz would be losing his mind over how shoddily made the foldable table is. In the end, all three of them would be standing in front of a halal truck.
PLEASE see if you can track down some clips of Sat Divers talking to each other at pressure. Between the thick North accents and the helium, these men are speaking an incomprehensible English chipmunk language
The "en" at the end "dykkerklokken" is actually the definite article for "dykkerklokke" (diving bell), so every time you guys said "the dykkerklokken" you were actually saying "the the diving bell" and that really amused me lol
I usually like the episodes on low volume to fall asleep to. Next evening start with the last I remember from the same episode etc. ususally good for a few days.
My high school welding teacher constantly pushed underwater welding to his students. Literally just this plus playing with electricity underwater. Extra weird considering the school is in the middle of the desert
For the average non psycho, non masochist the number of hours a year you end up getting paid for works out to it being not remotely as lucrative as it sounds
@@marinary1326 nah nah like you live in a capsule underwater with some other chump for 3 weeks. Or you’re just under a dock or some shit welding. Thing is salt water makes sure if your current goes anywhere but where you want you’re toast
Decompression while drunk is not recommended - booze definitely increases your chances of getting DCS. At least that's what PADI says in their training.
It looks like there are some hypotheses why that would be the case, but it seems there is no experimental confirmation. Not that there has been that many studies though.
Alcohol doesn’t appear to change decompression risk. However dehydration does as you have the same amount of gas dissolved in less fluid. The PADI recommendation not to get pissed after diving is based on the dehydration that is part of a hangover. Coffee is also on the don’t drink list for the same reason.
The main thing is that everything about diving is conservative estimates based on large-scale studies of diver physiology. So your dive computer is telling you that as long as you ascend before your No-Deco time reaches zero, you probably won't get the bends, but the further you are from the "average" diver, the more risk that estimate doesn't apply to you. And since they aren't studying drunk divers, they can't say authoritatively how alcohol affects your nitrogen absorption, so they just say Don't.
43:30 "But because it's at high pressure you get more oxygen" That's exactly how it works - your breathing mainly cares about the pressure of oxygen, not the volume percentage. So a gas mix with 5% oxygen at 4 atmospheres (equal to 30 m underwater) will deliver as much oxygen into your blood as normal air does, because in both cases you have 0.2 atmospheres of oxygen pressure.
@@nikolai877 For shallower diving, where the problem is only nitrogen narcosis but not oxygen toxicity, you only need to replace the nitrogen with helium. You only need to use a hypoxic mix when you go really deep.
Have not watched it all, but a comment on why Norwegian uses clock for bell. Quite common for many european languages (except english) as cloche meant bell. Churches were the ones that had the bells, and they were used to to tell the time based on how many times the low one rang for the hour, and then a little ditty that would play for each 15 min increment (at least for the fancier ones as more people were needed to ring them.). When time became mechanical (not people jumping on ropes), the bells were still used. Eventually the standard clock face was added, but the bells were still the main feature, so naming the entire time thing "bell" was not weird. Add in the fact that english mugs words rather than borrows, we end up with clock. Also, this is the origin of o'clock, as in 8 o'clock in the morning. 8 au cloche in french, meaning 8 of the bells, or 8 "bongs" of the big bell. Another weird fact is that these bells are where the term dumbbell came from. To train the new ringers, bells needed to be used, but you would not want to be ringing bells while you make the new guy jump on a rope for an hour, so the clapper (dangly bit in bell) was removed from a few, making them unable to ring, or "talk", which was called being "dumb" back then. Dumb lost its meaning over time, but was in the same line as mute and ritard (this is music for slow, youtube might get angry at the other one).
I love to sell weapons to the Merfolk Christian Democratic Party for their underwater guerrilla war against the mercommunists. They placed an order for 50 armoured battle sharks.
Interesting story regarding pressurised construction. In the late 1800s when a company was digging one of the underground tunnels under the Thames they pressurised the tunnel workings so they wouldn’t flood. One day to celebrate some sort of distance record they held a ceremony in the incomplete pressurised tunnel. The ceremony involved 19th century gentlemen in top hats, ladies in big dresses, speeches and champagne. Everyone was apparently a little disappointed that the champagne was flat but no matter. As all the gentlemen and ladies (I think there was a lord of somewhere or other as well) came back to the surface they decompressed and the co2 in the champagne they’d all consumed came out of solution. Giving everyone hideously bad gas!
I really appreciate Liams covid rant here. Even though the state of the pandemic in the US is more or less entirely due to the federal governments abdication of responsibility (and ensuing piecemeal nonsensical and inconsistent rules at individual state levels), I get a little irritated by the notion you hear sometimes that the masks are just a "culture war" issue, and that it's somehow cooler to not care about it at all because it's "moralizing." This notion that masks and other protocol are not "material" just because it appears interpersonal (due again to the lack of an organized response) is so incredibly disconnected from the stakes involved. It's good to hear lefty content creators bite the bullet instead of being vain about it and just unequivocally tell folks to wear the damn mask. I have old parents and immunocompromised friends, and it matters to me that basically everyone else knows vulnerable people too (whether they acknowledge it or not.)
Even if you don't live in the US, it's still this fairly despiriting recipt how the collective "we" would behave in a really bad situation. I live in Sweden, and it's essentially the same neo-lib thing of "emphasize personal responsibility, let's get back to normal as quickly as possible, no financial aid, etc". it's not quite the cruelty of the US, which seems to wax between condescending scolding from the likes of Cuomo to whatever gleeful, Bolsonaro-esque "don't be an F-word about it" that's on the republican side, but it also isn't "good" in any sense here in Scandinavia. As bas as Covid is, it's basically just a trial-run for whatever is coming next, and it's pretty bleak to get actual data on how "we", collectively, decide to act in a moment of crisis. I saw a blurb on the news during my train-commute about how Sweden's carbon-emissions were down 10% during the height of Covid, and are now close to be on-track for what's considered normal. It was a text-and-image-only broadcast, so it was difficult to decipher what kind of tone I was supposed to get from the broadcast ( if I was supposed to be alarmed or glad about the number), but it did make me think about our general "readiness" as it pertains to climate-change. We have this "probably once in a life-time epidemic" that has forced significant, temporary cut-backs in emissions by extraordinary restraints that aren't, by themselves, sustainable in the way we have structured society. No amount of canvassing, or ads, or activism from people have put as much of a break on emissions that Covid has done, and the actual result we have is around 10% less emissions (in Sweden). So, given that the main political drive (at least in the western world) is to go back to "business as usual" from the temporary stop that is Covid, what is the chances that we have even anything close to a proper response to climate change? It really made me think about all the people who spent most of their life canvassing, sitting in tedious meetings, endlessly arguing online, protesting in the streets, putting themselves in danger, etc, in hopes of turning the tide on climate change. All that human effort - all this "annoying nagging" and "weepy caring" - led to less results than this fluke pandemic, that we're now desperate to "undue" (in terms of emissions). And the numbers, after the fact, aren't even particularly impressive! This global pandemic that has forced most people to drastically change their behavior has only (again, in Sweden) resulted in a 10% decrease of projected emissions, and whatever gains from the pandemic will be quickly wiped out as society returns to normal. It's a very stark and - quite frankly depressing - thing to get actual receipts, and I think a lot of people feel very down right now not only because of the dangers of the pandemic, but because it was a litmus-test for our general "readiness" to respond to crisis, and the willingness of leaders to have some political vision. Ideally though, it will lead to an actual leap forward beyond neo-lib alienation. Or it might not. Either way, we still have to live this reality. Cheers; love.
For the longest time I did too assuming it was some Mike Rowe nonsense, but it's even better once you've watched the outstanding video it's featured in.
Wait, didn't Justin say at the beginning that this was an old outdated system and there were modern systems with mechanical safeguards available? So yeah, it would be the company's fault for skimping out and refusing to pay for an upgraded, safer version of the system. Not that any investigations would *ever* return that result.
Investigations have a funny way of turning up disappointing results. yes, its possible the Deck hand accidently killed everyone by improperly completing the sequence. Human error does happen. However its more likely the old diving equipment failed, being that it was KNOWN to be outdated, KNOWN to lack essential safety features, and as mentioned in the podcast, the operators were KNOWN to have sought out special permits to operate old, unsafe equipment.
I have also read that it would have been physically impossible to undo the latch by hand with the 9 tons of pressure on it, and it wasn't that dead guys fault, the latch just broke off, which makes the cover up even more disgusting.
The hand me down story which has done the rounds is that the communications were lousy so dive control had established a hand signal system to the deck divers to know when to knock off the clamp. The clamp was also stiff so had to be hit with a hammer to free it even at atmospheric pressure. The deck guy had just come on shift so dive control gave him a wave to say hi mate and the hand wave was interpreted at hit the clamp off so he did. The diver inside was in the process of shutting the door between the entry lock and the trunk. Even hitting it with a hammer shouldn't have freed the clamp under pressure but thats what happened. The timing of it was so unfortunate had the door to the entry lock been shut all four would probably have survived.
“We couldn’t think of anything” I’m going to take that as a cue for suggestions, and ask you to look at the Dreamscape accident. Two fatalities might be low for a WTYPP subject but it’s very high for a piece of public art.
Lots of the guy who did the deep sea diving in the North Sea got long term debilitating effects that weren't immediately noticeable... and funny thing about that... they didn't get any kind of compensation or extra pension when it was discovered, because, you know, they should have known that long term debilitating effects where part of the work.... Also simping for Alice, her norwegian pronunciation is decent!
It's been almost a year and I keep coming back for Liam's rant. It's a reminder when I start to get comfortable with where I am. While yeah, a lot has changed since December 2020, there's a lot that hasn't changed either.
Liam's tangent, around the 32 min mark. Holy shit that's a perfect explanation of how I feel. It's exhausting, thanks to you guys for being here and caring, and at least giving us some time away from this shit.
The guy looking up from his asbestos snack reminded me of my mineralogy class here in Saint Petersburg, Russia. The teacher was passing around asbestos ore samples, and most of the students were just casually playing with it. I agree it's kinda cool, fluffy rock, but everyone laughed at me when I said it probably wasn't a great idea. I was told it's fine, it's only a problem if you work in manufacturing the stuff, apparently. There's a town in the Urals called Asbest where they still mine it. Ah yeah, and I'm just coming out of nearly a month of COVID, because the university administration decided that the virus clearly didn't apply to us, nor the orders from the Ministry of Education in Moscow. They only went to distance learning at the start of last week... My chest hurts, asbestos or COVID?
I feel like Alice would get a kick out this quote attributed to William Mulholland: “What I would do if I were custodian of your park, is I’d hire a dozen of the best photographers in the world. I would build them cabins in the Yosemite Valley and pay them something and give them all of the film they wanted. I’d say, ‘This park is yours. It’s yours for one year. I want you to take photographs of it in every season. I want you to capture all of the colors, all of the waterfalls, all the snow, and all the majesty. I especially want you to photograph the rivers. In the early summer, when the Merced River roars, I want to see that.’ And then I’d leave them be. And in a year I’d come back, and take their film, and send it out and have it developed and treated. And then I’d print the pictures in thousands of books and send them to every library. I’d urge every magazine in the country to print them and every gallery and museum to hang them. I would make certain that every American saw them. And then do you know what I would do? I would go in there and build a dam from one side of the valley to the other and stop the goddamn waste”
Timestamps: 0:01:38 - Well there's your problem 0:04:50 - the goddamn news (starting with the big boom) 0:08:55 - news: big boom created west virginia plant 0:12:43 - IS EVERYBODY READY FOR DIVING???? (What is diving) 0:19:40 - saturation diving 0:55:35 - byford dolphin 1:19:05 - safety third
Explosive decompression is one of the scarier things that can happen to a person, so I look forward to simultaneously laughing and feeling nauseated once you all get to the gory details of the incident itself. edit: 'Jam spread very thin' this gonna be good.
Theres a freaky documentary/feature film about a deep sea diver in the North Sea who's ship drifts away and severs his umbilical, leaving him with no light, heat or oxygen supply apart from a few mins worth in a backup tank.... features real audio from the incident spliced into it, thats nightmare fuel too 👀 The guy survived, called Chris Lemons, the film is called Last Breath, well worth a look if you don't want to sleep tonight 💀
as someone who looked up what "krokodile addicts" look like, i legitimately feel your pain :( not joking, thats also a series of images nobody NEEDS in their brain :(
I’m not sure what would be worse to look at, the chamber covered in human jelly Liam was imagining, or the actual mangled mess I saw when I looked that up.
i’m not a squeamish person but this one was brutal as hell; edit: everyone telling you not to look up photos is gonna make you look them up and then you’ll realize they were right
Definitely don't do what I did which was "look up the photos before listening to the episode, not realizing that the 'dolphin' wasn't just referring to a dolphin the crew of the Byford somehow accidentally exploded."
I love the Weekly Group Therapy with Liam segment. That was a good addition, guys - it's genuinely one of the few things that's been keeping me sane these past few weeks. It's hard as a front line healthcare worker going into the winter right now and hearing him validate every angry and hopeless feeling I have makes it easier to keep going as I have to keep closing out more and more profiles. Also something something hipster toast with blasting jelly and human-flavored Smuckers.
Hoaganaes dust explosions please. 5 people killed by bad housekeeping over the course of 3 easily preventable incidents at the same plant. You've got to start throwing negligent suits in jail for corporate manslaughter when what's basically the same accident keeps happening over and over in the same plant and they don't do anything.
Kanawha is pronounced "Can-ah". I was texting my brother about it when it happened and he was like "eh its 12 miles away and the evacuation is only for 2 miles". I replied "Sure. I listen to an engineering disaster podcast though and sometimes shit like this inexplicably goes from uh oh to FUCKING RUN. Probably nothing to worry about though. Just to be aware of". If you guys cover this in an episode at some point it could maybe be rolled into one covering all of the sacrificial economic zones in the country. Other ideas: Any of our mining disasters like Sago in 2006, the 2014 MCHM chemical spill in Charleston WV as well. Also the Buffalo creek dam disaster.
If you're looking for episode ideas you guys should do the Therac-25. TLDR is that some awful programming resulted in a machine with a bug that gave people radiation poisoning.It's used as kind of a case study in the Software Engineering world for what can go wrong.
The Therac-25 incident makes me so fucking angry and sad. People being hurt by something that was explicitly supposed to help them, at a time when they were ill and vulnerable and likely scared...just, ugh. I'd love to see them do an episode on it too, though. Also, I see you fellow Homestuck :P
"Fun" fact, I don't think most phones would actually function in the diving bell, due to the high helium environment. Phones usually use something called MEMS (Microelectromechanical System) oscillator (essentially a microscopic silicon tuning fork) to provide the clock signal for the phone's processor and electronics. MEMS oscillators are sensitive to helium and often stop functioning in a high helium environment.
Quick bit of trivia that’s quite interesting: freedivers, even competitive ones who swim down to 100+m don’t suffer from decompression sickness, apart from Herbert Nitsch... but he's more dolphin than human. But they do suffer from nitrogen narcosis and it is an issue in competition for those who forget to get the tag at the bottom because of it: Freediving is cool
For anyone (like me) who's tempted to look up the photos - if you really want to see what rapid decompression looks like, Mythbusters did an episode testing it-- they made a "meat man" human analogue with pig organs, put it in an old-timey diving suit, and then decompressed it to see if the body would be compressed into the helmet (as the myth said). Short answer: yes.
not sure if this is the best place to recommend disasters, but here are 2: The Ycuá Bolaños supermarket fire, and the sinking of MV Sewol. Both I feel would lend a lot of material for discussion.
26:30 AS far as I know the solubility of gases in alcohol (ethanol) is far lower than it is in water. So this would mean that alcohol would actually help against decompression sickness in that way. BUT from experience (I am a fish, blub) I can say that alcohol hits different if you have large pressure changes. We tried about everything you shouldn't try, drinking alcohol before diving, while diving (baloons are your friend) and after diving. I can say you that it doesn't really matter when you drink it, the effects are way more potent so that might be an issue.
40:00 The drunk feeling from diving is slightly different than the normal drunk feeling. To me diving bellow 30m feels kinda like a mix between weed and a drink.
Yeah my experience with factory work in WV is that a lot of places are one bad day away from blowing sky high. So many factories with practically no safety or maintenance standards. I'm talking operational standards from the 70s to the 40s depending on the location. Do not buy property there. Ever.
I miss my CO telling about his diving course where he got high on nitrogen while diving in a 100m pit/tube with only a single air tank for the whole squad to share, and that it felt really funny and good. And somehow being a combat engineer sounds safer than most of these stories.
29:55 - Liam's covid rant, for future reference. 🙂 There's a specific place in my own life that makes me so angry if I think about it too long, but it can be hard to hold onto that fury because they're really good at making you feel like it's _your_ problem, actually & it's got nothing to do with them. So it's really validating to hear these same feelings reflected for a change -- that no, I'm not making a fuss for no reason, and I should be mad & stay mad. 🤗 that's tough for me, but I'll keep trying!!
BBC Scotland did a TV programme on one of these diving Bell units, answers tons of questions you have about things like entertainment, food and that centre hatch hinge.... I'll see if I can find it, the parts where they're breathing helium are hilarious 😄 I'm sure they had cameras down there for a whole diver rotation, so several weeks, and features details of running 3 teams at once so one can always be at depth
ps: I don't mean 3 teams doing 8 hrs each, I mean 3 living accomms, with one coming up to working pressure, one unit at pressure and working, and another unit who have just finished their rotation and are depressureising. It takes several days to safely pressurise/depressurise when dealing with deep north sea dives, so 3 full living accoms were required, and the bell could connect to any of them thanks to the fancy crane arrangements on board
People comparing this to the Seagate Titan submarine don't understand - this is the COMPLETE opposite. This was their organs violently leaving their bodies. The Titan submarine implosion was their bodies violently entering their organs. COMPLETELY different.
lt's not Seagate, it's OceanGate. My Seagate Hard Drives aren't made of carbon fiber lol.
One Sucks, The Other Blows
The bodies of 3 of the divers killed during the oil rig accident were completely intact. There is a report with photos. They look like they are just passed out. They obviously had internal damage but only 1 diver had his body torn apart.
@@xmlthegreatnah, that's the Toshiba ones
no that was tha same thing just in a different direction
My favourite podcast to chill and decompress to!
Same, I was hoping for a new one!
Agreed
Good pun
I have indeed seen what you did there
Anyone else read this and go "Ohhhhohohoho"?
Ah yes, the classic "we were supposed to install a device that would have prevented this exact accident from occurring, but nah that'd be expensive, I'm sure it'll be fine!"
It only happens all the time, what are the chances it happens THIS time tho, right?
Is this comment about the main episode or the Safety Third?
@@dracorex426 yes
But don't worry, we can blame it all on the dead guy!
Just don't have an accident, duh
29:00:
"Yes, because Im gonna have to edit it out later."
*Narrators voice:* He didnt edit it out later.
"Hi it's Justin in post production, I didn't edit that bit"
Reducing an entire human to a soup-like homogenate.
This gelatinized, undifferentiated mass of human labor, is what we mean when we say "abstract human labor." Abstract human labor, the commodity, is crushed and rendered blood and sinew and bone. Defective diving bells are machines for abstracting human labor from living human beings.
Pump some oxygen into it to make Man Mousse
Lubricate the atmospheric railway
A great summary of capitalism.
@@zimmerwald1915 fucking incredible
Little known fact: all of the 10 year olds screaming at you on Call of Duty are actually all saturation divers breathing helium atmosphere
34:00 I know this is two years old, but I have to say it’s still validating as hell now as an immunocompromised person to hear Liam talking about how it’s justifiably upsetting/that it matters how people don’t give a shit about us dying. In the time between this was posted and now I’ve had several friends pay with their lives for other people’s apathy, and now more than ever I (and people like me) could die any day because the wrong person decided to go to work sick or something, even though I’m doing everything in my power to not fucking die. It’s not like most people are testing for Covid anymore, and I don’t have words for the loss coming from ongoing isolation both socially and spiritually. There’s such an overwhelming desire by people to “go back to normal” and pretend the pandemic isn’t still a problem, it really does a number on your brain as a disabled/immunocompromised person to be constantly (and often viciously) told to shut the fuck up about it. It’s more dangerous than it ever was and we have virtually zero support. Anyway, it means a lot to just hear someone give a shit, even if it’s old. We’re still here and trying to survive
Covid was all dramatic bs
Hell yeah
Yep. I still wear my mask most of the time and I have no serious medical problems. Keep those N95s handy.
Currently have to work with a guy with it and nobody else gives a shit, meanwhile I never stopped wearing masks and having minimal contact because I don’t want to spread it especially as my job involves going to multiple places every day
Some of us still care and are angry with you at them
Oh yeah? Well i wear a mask even when i sleep. I double the masks when i go for my weekly booster. If you are not vaxxmaxxing then don't Even talk to me
underwater bad, on top of water questionable, air is just right out, roads are sus, but rails are forever
Underground good or bad?
@@EmissaryofWind Underground only good when you are constructing cathedrals out of salt... oh, and when you call 811 before you dig. of course.
@@EmissaryofWind Underground is the sacred land of municipal transport
Unless you abuse them (sees new episode of similar-but-shorter-form-more-serious 'Fascinating Horror - The Crash At Crush'...)
@@mythousandfaces It may cost you a city archive, though.
See the collapse of the Historical Archive of the City of Cologne in 2009.
As a Norwegian, I'm glad you guys talked about this incident. The Norwegian government tends to ignore both human and environmental costs in the search of oil and gas. They are even willing to spend major money on quasi scientific research in order to keep the oil money flowing in. P.s. You did Norwegian pronunciation better then I expected. Good job!
“bUt It’S sOcIaLiSt, ThOuGh...”
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick It's not tho. It's a social democracy.
I did kinda cringe at dykkerklokken. But somewhat agree
Yes. It's wonderful to visit Norway. When Norway decides to visit you its not so good
@@kazaddum2448less and less so. Norway fully third way hellbent on decline.
Liam: leftist, pro-gun/castle doctrine, Taylor Swift fan.
he really does support the gays
this is what peak performance looks like
Cop bad, gun good
@Mathew Padgett Who the hell died and made you Marx?
@Mathew Padgett why not?
I kinda wanna put Alice in charge of building a bridge, I'm sure the solid dam she builds out of tungsten carbide will work perfectly. Can't even have holes in it for the water or water traffic, as that'll reduce rigidity.
And “high strength steel”
Just make the water load-bearing
@@zyavoosvawleilte1308 Isn't that just a pontoon bridge?
I gotta fever, and the prescription is: M O R E R I G I D
@@ewanhogg3068 great for piers in tidal areas. The marina in my local harbour has one. The ramp down is on a hinge and rollers, so it can be at pretty much any angle depending on the tide.
It gets pretty extreme during full moon tides.
I am here for Liam's airing of grievances.
Guys hear me out, a tiny submersible to visit the wreck of the byford dolphin?!
yes lets make it be a glorified spool of carbon fibre
We could even name it! Like, a strong name, something that evokes the power of a glacier…like, Titanic 3? Tri-tanic, if you will?
This could really just become a petrochemicals podcast. For some completely unexplainable reason bad things keep happening on, around, and as a result of oil rigs.
like they keep saying, just leave it in the ground!
Well whatdo you expect when you build on ancient dinosaur burial grounds
Yep. God's acts of love do be mysterious. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it involves people who don't care about safety fostering a culture that doesn't care about safety while searching for highly flammable chemicals usually found under pressure from even more flammable chemicals.
Coming back to this episode on the 23rd of June, 2023 for no reason at all.
I do appreciate the firm anti-ocean stance this podcast takes. Nothing good happens in the deep. Thats literally where monsters live. We left for a reason.
I take it you also don’t respect fish?
this comment aged well
@@user-ui9wc6ep6q i cant wait for the inevitable pending episode on the crushed billionaire soda can
Imagine the fish telling each other 'the monsters came back' 🤔
“Nooo i like the clicky-clacks!”
“ *I don’t* “
After 47 episodes of derailing him in every possible way, Liam finally managed to find something Justin can't tolerate...
@@Daneelro clicky-clacks are life! #thiscommenttypedonamechanicalkeyboard
Justin is canceled. Long live the clicky-clacks.
I do like the clicky-clacks.
And I believe all people who do admit that they are clicky-clacks.
Cherry MX browns would be the move for clickly clacks but not really loud clickly clack
Fun fact! Hyperbaric evacuation chambers were introduced for a really, really good reason -
"Another tragedy, even more terrible because the men involved had much longer to contemplate their fate, killed a friend of mine. He was in the Far East doing saturation work in an oilfield construction barge. He was in the decompression chamber with the rest of his dive team when a hurricane developed and the barge began to founder.
There are lifeboat chambers on barges and dive ships today, which can be launched over the side in such an emergency. The divers remain afloat in their chamber, controlling their own environment until a rescue comes. But there was no such system on that construction barge. The decompression chamber was fixed to the deck. There was no way of removing it and if the divers trapped inside had tried to leave it, they would have suffered an agonising death from the bends.
Instead they were given time to write a last letter home, which they passed out through the hatch before the barge was abandoned. As the lifeboats moved away, the barge broke up and sank. The divers inside the decompression chamber went down with it to the bottom of the ocean."
(Goldfinder, Keith Jessop & Neil Hanson)
“[Diving is] one of those hobbies that I really don’t respect. It’s right up there with mountaineering in terms of, like, the idiotic bullshit people do where, like… and I get, you know, taking risks and, like, that’s the only way you can feel alive-that and choking yourself while you jerk it-but like… again, it’s just not a thing I understand. It-God-like, if God wanted you to fucking go underwater, he would have given you gills."
for some reason, today, June 24th 2023, I'm thinking of this quote from this episode.
I got covid.
I was very lucky in that the symptoms weren’t bad, and I didn’t pass it on to my relatives....
Turns out, even after your tests start coming back negative, you can have this crushing fatigue for months or maybe years.
I have no money and can’t get out of bed to work, and there’s no help on the horizon
What I’m saying is, thank you for your rant, Liam. :)
Post viral fatigue is getting a lot of attention so things might change in the future
It is the worse when Doctors don't believe you or understand what you are dealing with it isn't even the faced that you aren't getting treatment( I mean yes that is very bad)but to have a Doctor invalidate your lived experience is crushing you feel as though you are speaking a different language or that maybe you are hallucinating, why would someone ever do this to another person but no other people have gone through this too Doctors are just people too some are curious most are not they want clean simple answer so that is what they get simple answer find support people who believe you and bring them to all appointments it helps you don't feel so crazy.
I _think_ I got Covid, but it was back in January, when no one was testing and few people have even heard of it, although later waste water tests showed that the virus was in nearby Italy from December. I think it was Covid because it had all the main symptoms: first the dry cough (something I never had before although I catch something every year), then the fever that just won't go away for several days (I don't think I had fever for more than three days ever before), and coughs with mucus but almost no running nose (again unusual for me), and the loss of smell. I even had a regression into fever and mucus coughing after feeling fine for over a week, so altogether it lasted all of January. When it was finally over, I had this crushing fatigue for at least two weeks, where I felt tired after half a minute of walking and had to sit down after a five-minute walk. Fortunately, I didn't have any other long-lasting symptoms.
The same back then mysterious disease went through at least five family members, in three steps of six days. Two of them (mother & child) contacted Covid (again?) in September (via the schoolbank neighbour of the child), but basically the only symptom was loss of smell.
Believe I had it in early April but no tests avaibale, caused congestive heart failure as some viruses do. Don’t duck around wear a mask and stay home
@@jonne7725 Oh you sweet innocent child, thinking serious symptoms and long-lasting fallout coming to light might mean those in power would care... sigh, to be so innocent.
If those in power cared _literally at all,_ they wouldn't have accepted cigarette company lobbying for decades nor accepted the testimony of bought and paid for oil industry "scientists" who denied climate change while they internally nailed the predictions. There is ample evidence those in power will _never_ care, yet people keep voting in evil idiots who don't care...
Suggestions for spin-off channels:
WTYP Food: Rocz shows us how to make vodka pasta. Alice swears at Jamie Oliver and rudely critiques his attempts at Asian cooking.
WTYP Health: Liam's advice is "go down to the Sheetz and buy a six-pack".
WTYP Weather: Alice complains about the weather in Glasgow (this format will work irrespective of the time of year).
So WTYP Food is just Rocz being drunk and Alice slowly turning into Uncle Roger? I'd watch, especially if they keep Liam around to just rant about stuff
Honestly, we need a cooking episode where all three of them make something.
Alice would spend all day reading which knife technique leads to most injuries.
Liam would be drunk while ranting about sports.
Rocz would be losing his mind over how shoddily made the foldable table is.
In the end, all three of them would be standing in front of a halal truck.
Remember, kids, explosive decompression both sucks *and* blows!
PLEASE see if you can track down some clips of Sat Divers talking to each other at pressure. Between the thick North accents and the helium, these men are speaking an incomprehensible English chipmunk language
The "en" at the end "dykkerklokken" is actually the definite article for "dykkerklokke" (diving bell), so every time you guys said "the dykkerklokken" you were actually saying "the the diving bell" and that really amused me lol
Me: go to bed after a long night shift
Also me: no listen to Alice's Communist propaganda and snarky shade.
Me: Yes.
I usually like the episodes on low volume to fall asleep to. Next evening start with the last I remember from the same episode etc. ususally good for a few days.
@@1121494 isn't that literal nightmare fuel?
You made the right choice. Now we can just imagine what the remains of a guy who is sucked trough a small tube looks like
I don’t go in for gore. But for some weird reason this particular case is making me want to see the pictures.
My high school welding teacher constantly pushed underwater welding to his students. Literally just this plus playing with electricity underwater. Extra weird considering the school is in the middle of the desert
It seems like it, but it pays something like 25 an hour when you are just starting out. It pays really, really really well.
@@SImrobert2001 25 bucks an hour to weld underwater in some rich dude's pool presumably, the largest body of water available in the desert
My Principles of Engineering teacher told us about his time underwater welding in the arctic circle for $200/hr. He told us all to never ever do it.
For the average non psycho, non masochist the number of hours a year you end up getting paid for works out to it being not remotely as lucrative as it sounds
@@marinary1326 nah nah like you live in a capsule underwater with some other chump for 3 weeks. Or you’re just under a dock or some shit welding. Thing is salt water makes sure if your current goes anywhere but where you want you’re toast
Decompression while drunk is not recommended - booze definitely increases your chances of getting DCS. At least that's what PADI says in their training.
It looks like there are some hypotheses why that would be the case, but it seems there is no experimental confirmation. Not that there has been that many studies though.
Alcohol doesn’t appear to change decompression risk. However dehydration does as you have the same amount of gas dissolved in less fluid. The PADI recommendation not to get pissed after diving is based on the dehydration that is part of a hangover. Coffee is also on the don’t drink list for the same reason.
The main thing is that everything about diving is conservative estimates based on large-scale studies of diver physiology. So your dive computer is telling you that as long as you ascend before your No-Deco time reaches zero, you probably won't get the bends, but the further you are from the "average" diver, the more risk that estimate doesn't apply to you. And since they aren't studying drunk divers, they can't say authoritatively how alcohol affects your nitrogen absorption, so they just say Don't.
43:30 "But because it's at high pressure you get more oxygen"
That's exactly how it works - your breathing mainly cares about the pressure of oxygen, not the volume percentage. So a gas mix with 5% oxygen at 4 atmospheres (equal to 30 m underwater) will deliver as much oxygen into your blood as normal air does, because in both cases you have 0.2 atmospheres of oxygen pressure.
Weirdly the tanks seem to list a 21% O and 79% He Mix anyway? Maybe that's by weight and the other (5%/95% one) by volume or moles or something?
@@nikolai877 For shallower diving, where the problem is only nitrogen narcosis but not oxygen toxicity, you only need to replace the nitrogen with helium. You only need to use a hypoxic mix when you go really deep.
Nice explanation, you dive?
Have not watched it all, but a comment on why Norwegian uses clock for bell. Quite common for many european languages (except english) as cloche meant bell. Churches were the ones that had the bells, and they were used to to tell the time based on how many times the low one rang for the hour, and then a little ditty that would play for each 15 min increment (at least for the fancier ones as more people were needed to ring them.). When time became mechanical (not people jumping on ropes), the bells were still used. Eventually the standard clock face was added, but the bells were still the main feature, so naming the entire time thing "bell" was not weird.
Add in the fact that english mugs words rather than borrows, we end up with clock. Also, this is the origin of o'clock, as in 8 o'clock in the morning. 8 au cloche in french, meaning 8 of the bells, or 8 "bongs" of the big bell.
Another weird fact is that these bells are where the term dumbbell came from. To train the new ringers, bells needed to be used, but you would not want to be ringing bells while you make the new guy jump on a rope for an hour, so the clapper (dangly bit in bell) was removed from a few, making them unable to ring, or "talk", which was called being "dumb" back then. Dumb lost its meaning over time, but was in the same line as mute and ritard (this is music for slow, youtube might get angry at the other one).
Liam’s extended rant was honestly just what I needed this morning.
I don't agree with him about fish, but about most other things, he's right
my second fav Liam rant next to his distain of fish rant.
It's the best part of the episode and I'm just at the end of the rant
Yeah love Liam, they have a perfect team for this podcast imo
@@punchfisttop which episode is the fish one?
Given people were dying, how did they pick which people to send down when building those bridges? On a caisson-by-caisson basis.
lol, thanks for this.
How long are you here, and can you recommend anything from the menu?
Nah, they just throw the irish down there
I love to sell weapons to the Merfolk Christian Democratic Party for their underwater guerrilla war against the mercommunists. They placed an order for 50 armoured battle sharks.
with laser beams?
@@scarylion1roar Laser eyes
I suspect this video suddenly got a new wave of attention given recent news.
this epsode is going to be a deep dive
rewatching for no particular reason
Interesting story regarding pressurised construction. In the late 1800s when a company was digging one of the underground tunnels under the Thames they pressurised the tunnel workings so they wouldn’t flood. One day to celebrate some sort of distance record they held a ceremony in the incomplete pressurised tunnel. The ceremony involved 19th century gentlemen in top hats, ladies in big dresses, speeches and champagne. Everyone was apparently a little disappointed that the champagne was flat but no matter. As all the gentlemen and ladies (I think there was a lord of somewhere or other as well) came back to the surface they decompressed and the co2 in the champagne they’d all consumed came out of solution. Giving everyone hideously bad gas!
I really appreciate Liams covid rant here. Even though the state of the pandemic in the US is more or less entirely due to the federal governments abdication of responsibility (and ensuing piecemeal nonsensical and inconsistent rules at individual state levels), I get a little irritated by the notion you hear sometimes that the masks are just a "culture war" issue, and that it's somehow cooler to not care about it at all because it's "moralizing." This notion that masks and other protocol are not "material" just because it appears interpersonal (due again to the lack of an organized response) is so incredibly disconnected from the stakes involved. It's good to hear lefty content creators bite the bullet instead of being vain about it and just unequivocally tell folks to wear the damn mask. I have old parents and immunocompromised friends, and it matters to me that basically everyone else knows vulnerable people too (whether they acknowledge it or not.)
Even if you don't live in the US, it's still this fairly despiriting recipt how the collective "we" would behave in a really bad situation. I live in Sweden, and it's essentially the same neo-lib thing of "emphasize
personal responsibility, let's get back to normal as quickly as possible, no financial aid, etc".
it's not quite the cruelty of the US, which seems to wax between condescending scolding from the likes of Cuomo to whatever gleeful, Bolsonaro-esque "don't be an F-word about it" that's on the republican side, but it also isn't "good" in any sense here in Scandinavia.
As bas as Covid is, it's basically just a trial-run for whatever is coming next, and it's pretty bleak to get actual data on how "we", collectively, decide to act in a moment of crisis.
I saw a blurb on the news during my train-commute about how Sweden's carbon-emissions were down 10% during the height of Covid, and are now close to be on-track for what's considered normal.
It was a text-and-image-only broadcast, so it was difficult to decipher what kind of tone I was supposed to get from the broadcast ( if I was supposed to be alarmed or glad about the number), but it did make me think about our general "readiness" as it pertains to climate-change.
We have this "probably once in a life-time epidemic" that has forced significant, temporary cut-backs in emissions by extraordinary restraints that aren't, by themselves, sustainable in the way we have structured society. No amount of canvassing, or ads, or activism from people have put as much of a break on emissions that Covid has done, and the actual result we have is around 10% less emissions (in Sweden).
So, given that the main political drive (at least in the western world) is to go back to "business as usual" from the temporary stop that is Covid, what is the chances that we have even anything close to a proper response to climate change?
It really made me think about all the people who spent most of their life canvassing, sitting in tedious meetings, endlessly arguing online, protesting in the streets, putting themselves in danger, etc, in hopes of turning the tide on climate change.
All that human effort - all this "annoying nagging" and "weepy caring" - led to less results than this fluke pandemic, that we're now desperate to "undue" (in terms of emissions). And the numbers, after the fact, aren't even particularly impressive!
This global pandemic that has forced most people to drastically change their behavior has only (again, in Sweden) resulted in a 10% decrease of projected emissions, and whatever gains from the pandemic will be quickly wiped out as society returns to normal.
It's a very stark and - quite frankly depressing - thing to get actual receipts, and I think a lot of people feel very down right now not only because of the dangers of the pandemic, but because it was a litmus-test for our general "readiness" to respond to crisis, and the willingness of leaders to have some political vision.
Ideally though, it will lead to an actual leap forward beyond neo-lib alienation. Or it might not. Either way, we still have to live this reality.
Cheers; love.
@@OrinLinwe +
WTF people are saying its culture war? It's the least culture war thing I've ever heard!
@@kenjisakaie6028
Where have you been in the past year?
@@georgekerscher5355 Yeah, but even if it's a disagreement, it shouldn't be demeaned as just culture war.
Here in 2023, while we wait for the Oceangate episode
For that Safety Third segment, a clear takeaway is to get any stupid or dangerous requirement your boss makes in writing
I just realised that the safety third drop says "shake hands with danger" instead of "Safety is the danger" and I'm very disappointed
ua-cam.com/video/v26fTGBEi9E/v-deo.html
There you go
For the longest time I did too assuming it was some Mike Rowe nonsense, but it's even better once you've watched the outstanding video it's featured in.
Yeah, took me like 7 episodes and only when Alice mentioned something about 'literally shaking hands with danger' to put it together.
thanks for the phrases chunky marinara and soup like homogenate. came in handy this week
oh my god i've been WAITING for this one ever since i googled what it was.
also thanks roz for not putting The Aftermath Photo in the slides
Wait, didn't Justin say at the beginning that this was an old outdated system and there were modern systems with mechanical safeguards available? So yeah, it would be the company's fault for skimping out and refusing to pay for an upgraded, safer version of the system. Not that any investigations would *ever* return that result.
Investigations have a funny way of turning up disappointing results. yes, its possible the Deck hand accidently killed everyone by improperly completing the sequence. Human error does happen.
However its more likely the old diving equipment failed, being that it was KNOWN to be outdated, KNOWN to lack essential safety features, and as mentioned in the podcast, the operators were KNOWN to have sought out special permits to operate old, unsafe equipment.
I have also read that it would have been physically impossible to undo the latch by hand with the 9 tons of pressure on it, and it wasn't that dead guys fault, the latch just broke off, which makes the cover up even more disgusting.
The hand me down story which has done the rounds is that the communications were lousy so dive control had established a hand signal system to the deck divers to know when to knock off the clamp. The clamp was also stiff so had to be hit with a hammer to free it even at atmospheric pressure. The deck guy had just come on shift so dive control gave him a wave to say hi mate and the hand wave was interpreted at hit the clamp off so he did. The diver inside was in the process of shutting the door between the entry lock and the trunk. Even hitting it with a hammer shouldn't have freed the clamp under pressure but thats what happened. The timing of it was so unfortunate had the door to the entry lock been shut all four would probably have survived.
That sound cannon from the god damn news looks and sounds like something Orks from 40k would make.
“We couldn’t think of anything” I’m going to take that as a cue for suggestions, and ask you to look at the Dreamscape accident. Two fatalities might be low for a WTYPP subject but it’s very high for a piece of public art.
I'd suggest the Great Boston Molasses Flood myself, because it sounds ridiculous but actually was a pretty big disaster, but that also sounds cool.
@@MySerpentine didnt boston stink of molasses on hot days for something like 2 decades afterwards?
@@Gantradies There are people who swear it still does.
They've done ones in that range before, the Lake Peigneur one, for instance, had zero fatalities!
@@vandama0mossadegh and Lake Peigneur was one of the best episodes!
Lots of the guy who did the deep sea diving in the North Sea got long term debilitating effects that weren't immediately noticeable... and funny thing about that... they didn't get any kind of compensation or extra pension when it was discovered, because, you know, they should have known that long term debilitating effects where part of the work....
Also simping for Alice, her norwegian pronunciation is decent!
It's been almost a year and I keep coming back for Liam's rant. It's a reminder when I start to get comfortable with where I am. While yeah, a lot has changed since December 2020, there's a lot that hasn't changed either.
Liam: also - NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR THE RANT! We love it and we'd miss it.
Why would you call the school Well There's Your Problem U
When you could instead call it Well There's U Problem
Yeah, I see you, but this way means u can abbreviate to Well There's Your PU, which is delightful in its own way. 🤗
Well there’s your Prager U
ProblemU
Well There's Your U
Liam's VanU
Load BearingU
"Well there's your problem. You!"
Liam's tangent, around the 32 min mark. Holy shit that's a perfect explanation of how I feel. It's exhausting, thanks to you guys for being here and caring, and at least giving us some time away from this shit.
i just want a woman to byford dolphin me is that too much to ask
yes
Terribly sorry in advance for that one: EXTRUDE ME MOMMY
Justin would be the type of person to start humming semi obscure They migh be giants songs about dead painters.
Oh, sure, put it out literally RIGHT as I'm going to bed :(
In Europe it is the middle of the day. Once again proving we are superior in every way. XD
@@PhilfreezeCH exactly, right when I'm waking up.
F
@@PhilfreezeCH It was actually like 8 AM my time, I just keep weird hours :(
The guy looking up from his asbestos snack reminded me of my mineralogy class here in Saint Petersburg, Russia. The teacher was passing around asbestos ore samples, and most of the students were just casually playing with it. I agree it's kinda cool, fluffy rock, but everyone laughed at me when I said it probably wasn't a great idea. I was told it's fine, it's only a problem if you work in manufacturing the stuff, apparently. There's a town in the Urals called Asbest where they still mine it. Ah yeah, and I'm just coming out of nearly a month of COVID, because the university administration decided that the virus clearly didn't apply to us, nor the orders from the Ministry of Education in Moscow. They only went to distance learning at the start of last week... My chest hurts, asbestos or COVID?
"You mean I can just hang out in Milwaukee and get drunk for nothing?"
RedLetterMedia's business model.
I feel like Alice would get a kick out this quote attributed to William Mulholland: “What I would do if I were custodian of your park, is I’d hire a dozen of the best photographers in the world. I would build them cabins in the Yosemite Valley and pay them something and give them all of the film they wanted. I’d say, ‘This park is yours. It’s yours for one year. I want you to take photographs of it in every season. I want you to capture all of the colors, all of the waterfalls, all the snow, and all the majesty. I especially want you to photograph the rivers. In the early summer, when the Merced River roars, I want to see that.’ And then I’d leave them be. And in a year I’d come back, and take their film, and send it out and have it developed and treated. And then I’d print the pictures in thousands of books and send them to every library. I’d urge every magazine in the country to print them and every gallery and museum to hang them. I would make certain that every American saw them. And then do you know what I would do? I would go in there and build a dam from one side of the valley to the other and stop the goddamn waste”
my family's covid count is now 6 infections, 2 deaths, anyone who refuses to treat you with civility does not deserve to be treated with any civility.
Its like the Cancer of Sars having had both in my life wouldn't recommend it to anyone
Timestamps:
0:01:38 - Well there's your problem
0:04:50 - the goddamn news (starting with the big boom)
0:08:55 - news: big boom created west virginia plant
0:12:43 - IS EVERYBODY READY FOR DIVING???? (What is diving)
0:19:40 - saturation diving
0:55:35 - byford dolphin
1:19:05 - safety third
Roz- I have to edit out your clicky clacks Liam
Roz- *leaves clicky clacks in*
Explosive decompression is one of the scarier things that can happen to a person, so I look forward to simultaneously laughing and feeling nauseated once you all get to the gory details of the incident itself.
edit: 'Jam spread very thin' this gonna be good.
Theres a freaky documentary/feature film about a deep sea diver in the North Sea who's ship drifts away and severs his umbilical, leaving him with no light, heat or oxygen supply apart from a few mins worth in a backup tank.... features real audio from the incident spliced into it, thats nightmare fuel too 👀
The guy survived, called Chris Lemons, the film is called Last Breath, well worth a look if you don't want to sleep tonight 💀
@@mor4y Thanks for the recommendation.
uhhhhhm, yeah, DO NOT google "Byford Dolphin incident images" . . . .ohh my
I read the clinical descriptions of the casualties and decided that was all the further I needed to go.
as someone who looked up what "krokodile addicts" look like, i legitimately feel your pain :(
not joking, thats also a series of images nobody NEEDS in their brain :(
I’m not sure what would be worse to look at, the chamber covered in human jelly Liam was imagining, or the actual mangled mess I saw when I looked that up.
I found the Thanksgiving turkey analogy very accurate. Very accurate.
I thought "Surely they must be exaggerating." googled the above and instant regret
i’m not a squeamish person but this one was brutal as hell; edit: everyone telling you not to look up photos is gonna make you look them up and then you’ll realize they were right
Noted.
Definitely don't do what I did which was "look up the photos before listening to the episode, not realizing that the 'dolphin' wasn't just referring to a dolphin the crew of the Byford somehow accidentally exploded."
I showed my mum the photos, she said that the poor guy looked like a plate of dinner
I love the Weekly Group Therapy with Liam segment. That was a good addition, guys - it's genuinely one of the few things that's been keeping me sane these past few weeks. It's hard as a front line healthcare worker going into the winter right now and hearing him validate every angry and hopeless feeling I have makes it easier to keep going as I have to keep closing out more and more profiles.
Also something something hipster toast with blasting jelly and human-flavored Smuckers.
"Hei, og velkommen til "Vel, der har du problemet", et podcast om ingeniørkatastrofer som er i seg selv en katastrofe. Med slides."
Underrated comment
just rewatching this and the kursk episodes for no reason in particular...
Anyone visiting this (again or first time) due to the Titan failure?
Hoaganaes dust explosions please. 5 people killed by bad housekeeping over the course of 3 easily preventable incidents at the same plant.
You've got to start throwing negligent suits in jail for corporate manslaughter when what's basically the same accident keeps happening over and over in the same plant and they don't do anything.
The first time listening to Liam's rant: "yeah! YEAH!"
Listening to it a year and change later: "yeah...."
I hope everyone stays home and your power goes out so you suffer every minute of it.
'im gonna have to edit that out later' - 15 seconds after multiple unedited clacks.
This comedy is what keeps me comings back
Tacoma Narrows Bridge Episode next? Sooo much looking forward to that one!
“A thanksgiving turkey after it’s been gone through” is exactly how I would describe pictures of this accident tbh
Kanawha is pronounced "Can-ah". I was texting my brother about it when it happened and he was like "eh its 12 miles away and the evacuation is only for 2 miles". I replied "Sure. I listen to an engineering disaster podcast though and sometimes shit like this inexplicably goes from uh oh to FUCKING RUN. Probably nothing to worry about though. Just to be aware of". If you guys cover this in an episode at some point it could maybe be rolled into one covering all of the sacrificial economic zones in the country. Other ideas: Any of our mining disasters like Sago in 2006, the 2014 MCHM chemical spill in Charleston WV as well. Also the Buffalo creek dam disaster.
In the pacific northwest, in the 1880's,
Caisson Disease was ascribed to "TyphoMalaria".
Nooooooo! Rocz....why did you Activate Windows ?!
he has his Airpods in he cant hear us!
Its a trick....hopefully
Did Bill Gates subscribe to the patron?
sellout!
it comes and goes
Alice describing decompression sickness as "getting your blood soda streamed" is now how I'll think of that forever...
cola
This is your blood
/shakes bottle of cola
This is your blood on bendz.
"Knowing no one gives a shit about you is an extremely hard way to live." God, yeah.
If you're looking for episode ideas you guys should do the Therac-25. TLDR is that some awful programming resulted in a machine with a bug that gave people radiation poisoning.It's used as kind of a case study in the Software Engineering world for what can go wrong.
Also has a nice case of the company behind it denying that anything was wrong after the first deaths, leading to even more people dying.
The Therac-25 incident makes me so fucking angry and sad. People being hurt by something that was explicitly supposed to help them, at a time when they were ill and vulnerable and likely scared...just, ugh. I'd love to see them do an episode on it too, though.
Also, I see you fellow Homestuck :P
Looking for y'all in the comments on the recent Therac-25 episode.
"Fun" fact, I don't think most phones would actually function in the diving bell, due to the high helium environment. Phones usually use something called MEMS (Microelectromechanical System) oscillator (essentially a microscopic silicon tuning fork) to provide the clock signal for the phone's processor and electronics. MEMS oscillators are sensitive to helium and often stop functioning in a high helium environment.
see if we got liam a shittier mic, it wouldn't pick up the keyboard!
Quick bit of trivia that’s quite interesting: freedivers, even competitive ones who swim down to 100+m don’t suffer from decompression sickness, apart from Herbert Nitsch... but he's more dolphin than human. But they do suffer from nitrogen narcosis and it is an issue in competition for those who forget to get the tag at the bottom because of it: Freediving is cool
See now this is how podcasts should be. Just three people horrendously off topic for 4 hours
Unironically peak performance
I feel bad for the guy at the end, but at least this Safety Third story had some kind of comeuppance for the person in charge? Kind of?
Said guy at the end here, i wont spoil it but there is more come upance for Bob in the second part.
@@spacefork7296 Glad to hear it! Wherever you are now, I hope it's got better safety regulations.
Well... That will be answered if they use part 2
@@spacefork7296 i get the feeling it'll be in the next episode, based on how enthused Justin sounded about it.
1:27:45 made me laugh “Conduct unbecoming of a pest control officer”
Waiting for the follow up on the titan.
They're all dead. Liquefied instantly.
@@ianhomerpura8937 that was obvious from the start. However, a video would be appreciated, though the most likely failure points are clear
I'm really glad you didn't edit out Liam's Covid rant. It was extremely cathartic, I think the kids call it a "mood"
For anyone (like me) who's tempted to look up the photos - if you really want to see what rapid decompression looks like, Mythbusters did an episode testing it-- they made a "meat man" human analogue with pig organs, put it in an old-timey diving suit, and then decompressed it to see if the body would be compressed into the helmet (as the myth said). Short answer: yes.
absolutely shocked to hear justin imply that he edits these
The "wall of air" effect can be felt in some stadium entrances.
not sure if this is the best place to recommend disasters, but here are 2: The Ycuá Bolaños supermarket fire, and the sinking of MV Sewol. Both I feel would lend a lot of material for discussion.
26:30 AS far as I know the solubility of gases in alcohol (ethanol) is far lower than it is in water. So this would mean that alcohol would actually help against decompression sickness in that way.
BUT from experience (I am a fish, blub) I can say that alcohol hits different if you have large pressure changes. We tried about everything you shouldn't try, drinking alcohol before diving, while diving (baloons are your friend) and after diving. I can say you that it doesn't really matter when you drink it, the effects are way more potent so that might be an issue.
40:00 The drunk feeling from diving is slightly different than the normal drunk feeling. To me diving bellow 30m feels kinda like a mix between weed and a drink.
"Conduct Unbecoming a Pest Control Officer"
Thanks Alice, I'm ded.
Yeah my experience with factory work in WV is that a lot of places are one bad day away from blowing sky high. So many factories with practically no safety or maintenance standards. I'm talking operational standards from the 70s to the 40s depending on the location. Do not buy property there. Ever.
Is that a diving bell? Ohhh this is gonna be a good one.
I miss my CO telling about his diving course where he got high on nitrogen while diving in a 100m pit/tube with only a single air tank for the whole squad to share, and that it felt really funny and good.
And somehow being a combat engineer sounds safer than most of these stories.
You know what, I didn't look up the photos and I'm proud of me. Thanks for being insistent, I believe you.
29:55 - Liam's covid rant, for future reference. 🙂
There's a specific place in my own life that makes me so angry if I think about it too long, but it can be hard to hold onto that fury because they're really good at making you feel like it's _your_ problem, actually & it's got nothing to do with them. So it's really validating to hear these same feelings reflected for a change -- that no, I'm not making a fuss for no reason, and I should be mad & stay mad. 🤗 that's tough for me, but I'll keep trying!!
My Dad died in a horribly long and drawn out way after working years in an asbestos factory, and this is still my favorite podcast on the citadel.
BBC Scotland did a TV programme on one of these diving Bell units, answers tons of questions you have about things like entertainment, food and that centre hatch hinge.... I'll see if I can find it, the parts where they're breathing helium are hilarious 😄 I'm sure they had cameras down there for a whole diver rotation, so several weeks, and features details of running 3 teams at once so one can always be at depth
ps: I don't mean 3 teams doing 8 hrs each, I mean 3 living accomms, with one coming up to working pressure, one unit at pressure and working, and another unit who have just finished their rotation and are depressureising. It takes several days to safely pressurise/depressurise when dealing with deep north sea dives, so 3 full living accoms were required, and the bell could connect to any of them thanks to the fancy crane arrangements on board
Going back and listening to this after the Titan implosion