I know it's a mirror matchup, but these two might as well be playing different races. If you're not a Terran fan, I promise you that MANY Terrans were harmed in the making of this video.
Let the weak mental babies cry about mirror match up. Its not their channel and being bothered by a video on youtube really just shows how weak their bloodline is.
Oh man... Those Day9 days... Those were great days ❤. I loved laddering and asking people what day it is on Mondays. Anyone in the know would IMMEDIATELY expect a Funday Monday build. 😂 My dog is even named HuK because he has top 3 control with his tennis balls, even at 12 years old 😂
I'm 35 and haven't played it for about a decade but just watching him cast seems so captivating, the details, descriptions on why the players are doing what they are doing along with the quips. Just so enjoyable. 😊
46:00 Winter "Someone please throw a paper plane to that siege Tank or something!" Oliveira: Proceeds to drop a landed Viking from a medivak.😂 I think that @Wintergaming himself did not realize.
I know it’s not popular, but I’d be interested in mirror matchups involving Clem. With his recent rise to prominence, I’m sincerely curious about his position amongst other Terran professionals and what a competitive TvT fight with Clem looks like.
Thank You Om nom nom 9 Battlecruisers spoiler: 25:10 , 10 minutes after oliveira researches yamato, byun makes the first battlecruisers in the game, three minutes later he starts yamato Unfortunately they mostly killed scvs/mules an served as bait for raven scramble
I always thought it was weird that people dont like mirror matchups. It's a literal skill based match since everyone has the same units, and its purely about who's better
Disagree, mirrors are more RNG. But the main reason I hate them is because they're stale. Having the same units means there isn't the back and forth of timings that give both players a turn to be offensive. Instead you have to make gambles on your micro to find initiative, leading to polarizing matches where they snowball out of control quickly, or turn into stalemates. Here, we only see the absolute best of the best TvTs - and Game 1 was already pretty slow
some games have healthy mirrors and some games dont, and sc2 is unfortunately a game that doesnt. tvt is fineish but esp pvp is some unstable stinky garbage. not to mention as a tvz match can grab the attention of both t's and z's while a tvt alienates 66% of the playerbase. finally seeing the same units on both sides takes some active spectating to make sense of which a looooot of people arent here to do.
A very important minigame, the lost Vikings. Winter, I wonder how many people here even got that reference. Amazing game btw, I still remember the blue floppy it came on. Edit: I was not aware SC2 had a mini game called "the Lost Vikings" I assume the title was a nod to blizzards 1992 puzzle platformer
I spent most of Friday-Sunday watching a bunch of these casts from the past few months and man... it's been such a fun watch. The insight is always top tier! Keep up the great work, Winter!
Lore-wise, Battlecruisers are SO much larger than Banshees that the amount of cloaking devices it would take to cover one would be extremely impractical. It would be funny asf, but not something that anyone other than a lunatic like Mira Han would ever considering trying.
@@Limewire1984 They did cloak Vikings before: they're called Wraiths and they're the SC1 equivalent to the Vikings while also being present in SC2's campaign. Cloaking tanks however would be pointless because them being immobile and loud would immediately give away their positions after the first shot with no ability to quickly re-position for more stealthy shots. That would be like an Observer flashing a bright light every few seconds that everyone can see.
landed vikings are severely underutilized in tvt i feel. they absolutely shred mech. even that last game, byun pulls it out i think if he lands his vikings on top of the tanks instead of walking them up.
The title makes me think you forgot about the GSL finals (or was it semifinals?) where Maru went into BCs almost every game in a TvT before taking a 4th.
In first late game i see multiple times spread sieged tanks just sitting for a while. They made muliple scans and they have so much command centers... why they don't just drop some mules over the tanks to shoot each other?
So I guess the question is, what do we hope to see tweaked in 2025? PvT needs help, I'd say TvT and ZvZ are also in need of a slight nudge. Personally I'd love to see Ghosts autoattack slowed down a bit, snipe range reverted and their armor changed to light. I'd also appreciate Mamaship becoming a detector and it being able to hold 2 charges of recall (can still swap with one and charge slowly). Other than something insane like moving EMP to Ravens, I don't see much that could be done to mildly balance some of these stale matchups.
It is still used in TvP, but rather rarely ever since the patch that made matrix researchable instead of baseline. Which was made becouse it countered early (before getting 3) collosie too hard.
i have been wondering how does winterstarcraft live on only making starcraft 2 videos? or does he have another inocme, i am asking as a huge fan and i don´t know if he is creating other videos i should know about XD
I know it's a mirror matchup, but these two might as well be playing different races. If you're not a Terran fan, I promise you that MANY Terrans were harmed in the making of this video.
Harmed Terran flavour, my favourite
Yes as a protoss player, many terrans harmed is my favorite kind of harm 😂
Let the weak mental babies cry about mirror match up. Its not their channel and being bothered by a video on youtube really just shows how weak their bloodline is.
More mirror matchup ! Merci
TVT is the Best
"Three thors vs. the vikings who will tear down their Gods." When will they just make you the primary commentator for all major tournaments?
gotta hand it to this man. most entertaining YT caster in my opinion
The Vikings reject the Thors' reality, and substitute their own!
@@numa_kai Yup, and it's not even close.
Commentary is top notch and hilarious.
“The TPM skyrockets which is ironic because… they ARE skyrockets” 😂😂😂. Full of new jokes this game!
Having watched SC2 casting since Artosis and Day9...thanks for breathing new life into this game!
Oh man... Those Day9 days... Those were great days ❤. I loved laddering and asking people what day it is on Mondays. Anyone in the know would IMMEDIATELY expect a Funday Monday build. 😂
My dog is even named HuK because he has top 3 control with his tennis balls, even at 12 years old 😂
I remember Husky and his betrayal
Your casting, literally, makes me happy. As a 38 year old man who is not good at StarCraft, but loves it…I thoroughly enjoy watching you cast games.
I 2nd this as a 28 year old man lol
I'm 35 and haven't played it for about a decade but just watching him cast seems so captivating, the details, descriptions on why the players are doing what they are doing along with the quips. Just so enjoyable. 😊
Old men clan coming up lol.
40 years old here. Been playing since this came out on Nintendo 64 lmao. Sadly still platinum 😔
46:00 Winter "Someone please throw a paper plane to that siege Tank or something!"
Oliveira: Proceeds to drop a landed Viking from a medivak.😂
I think that @Wintergaming himself did not realize.
I know it’s not popular, but I’d be interested in mirror matchups involving Clem. With his recent rise to prominence, I’m sincerely curious about his position amongst other Terran professionals and what a competitive TvT fight with Clem looks like.
Byun whipping out Battlecruisers and Gumiho suddenly having top tier bio micro. What reality am I in?
It's like them both switch their account or something
I think you underestimate the amount of CC a terrible corporate email has 😂
Thank You
Om nom nom
9 Battlecruisers spoiler:
25:10 , 10 minutes after oliveira researches yamato, byun makes the first battlecruisers in the game, three minutes later he starts yamato
Unfortunately they mostly killed scvs/mules an served as bait for raven scramble
Nobody cares.
Clem showed us Marines is all that a Terran needs 😮
Watched 30 of your videos. I never like or sub to ANYONE, but you asked so nicely today, AGAIN, so I did. God Bless man!
31:35 Byun unintentionally killing Oliviera's Mules by letting Oliviera's tank splash onto his Mules is funny
Byun the original Terrorizer, Father to the prodigal son Clem🙏🏼💯 19:36 “somebody build a battle cruiser already” 🤣😂
I always thought it was weird that people dont like mirror matchups. It's a literal skill based match since everyone has the same units, and its purely about who's better
Because the units compositions are just the same.
Sorry, but matches where it's purely about who's better isn't always the peak of entertainment.
Disagree, mirrors are more RNG. But the main reason I hate them is because they're stale.
Having the same units means there isn't the back and forth of timings that give both players a turn to be offensive. Instead you have to make gambles on your micro to find initiative, leading to polarizing matches where they snowball out of control quickly, or turn into stalemates.
Here, we only see the absolute best of the best TvTs - and Game 1 was already pretty slow
some games have healthy mirrors and some games dont, and sc2 is unfortunately a game that doesnt. tvt is fineish but esp pvp is some unstable stinky garbage.
not to mention as a tvz match can grab the attention of both t's and z's while a tvt alienates 66% of the playerbase.
finally seeing the same units on both sides takes some active spectating to make sense of which a looooot of people arent here to do.
I watched 2 of your videos in a row, so my day got twice better. It stacks!
A very important minigame, the lost Vikings. Winter, I wonder how many people here even got that reference. Amazing game btw, I still remember the blue floppy it came on.
Edit: I was not aware SC2 had a mini game called "the Lost Vikings" I assume the title was a nod to blizzards 1992 puzzle platformer
and now i learned TWO things! thanks! :)
I'm really impressed by Oliveira... Strategic turret placement, great use of AA missles, good sense of timing. Very fun to see.
That mirror joke was good 😂
I hope that opening bit is still going 5,568 Winter starcraft casts later. It will be nice nice.
17:10 - Once you drop you can’t stop
I spent most of Friday-Sunday watching a bunch of these casts from the past few months and man... it's been such a fun watch. The insight is always top tier! Keep up the great work, Winter!
Jimmy roasting himself is top tier content.
An entire SCANdinavia of vikings
Actually such a fun series and hilarious, energetic cast that I'm going to watch it all over again today ❤
Ooh! The rare casted mirror match!
(I'd personally love to see a ZvZ w/Dark sometime)
Like his semi final against Serral ? :p
So the only race that can trade evenly with terran are terran. Got it.
Vikings tearing down their gods (Thor) was a cool line. Appreciate the effort you put into these.
1:07:52 "They expect one of us to be wreckage, brother!" Bwahahaha! Dude, you nailed it at perfect moment.
I like all matchups!
thank you for the casts, this was really fun to watch
ahahahahaha the joke book comment about the mirror was epic hahahaha
I'm very impressed by the empty medivac play. I'm surprised I've never seen it used before in top level play.
"How many tanks are left for Oliveira? Zero?! That's not very many!" Winter showing just how good a handle on math he has.
That last game...I think that's the first time I've ever seen a Viking get grenade bounced.
It's been a while since I facepalm'd so hard at Byun loading a doom drop right into the main. I've missed it, glad to see you back to your roots Byun!
29:22 this game was so entertaining. The ground Viking vs Thors, so much level changing it’s like jiu jitsu.
They went above and ByuN!
"More CC's than corporate email."
that one hurt my kokoro and tummy.
"Jimmy, get out my joke book.
What do you mean it doesn't exist? Wha-that's a mirror.
*scowls*"
I'm dying
Thank you for doing this video even though it was a mirror, this was one of the best series that I have ever seen! Love your work Winter!
The way this guy says "e"'s is a weapon
Thanks for pumping out awesome games with impeccably witty commentary every day, Winter! You always manage to make my day just a little bit better.
Absolutely awesome series, i was really routing for time
What a phenomenal first game and whole series. I love TvT.
I love seeing Terran players get Terraned, this brings me joy
Outstanding match. I actually enjoy mirror matches myself, so thanks for the great match.
ByUN working on the space program. 1:00:40
It's always funny to me when a reaper grenade launches units.
This really is a good series. Not just for a mirror match, either.
Hell yeah! This was excellent :)
Incredible casting and fantastic matches.
Thank you for the mirror match, they're hard to find :)
That first game honestly was one of the most entertaining games i have seen in so long. Amazing work from oliveira. Great try. Byun is a beast though.
So, if they can cloak a Banshee, they should be able to cloak a BC, right? Both metallic, matter of scale? Next patch.
Lore-wise, Battlecruisers are SO much larger than Banshees that the amount of cloaking devices it would take to cover one would be extremely impractical. It would be funny asf, but not something that anyone other than a lunatic like Mira Han would ever considering trying.
@@joshuakim5240 So, sticking with your line of thoughts [and to be lore consistent], Terran should look into cloaking Vikings, maybe the tanks...
@@Limewire1984
They did cloak Vikings before: they're called Wraiths and they're the SC1 equivalent to the Vikings while also being present in SC2's campaign.
Cloaking tanks however would be pointless because them being immobile and loud would immediately give away their positions after the first shot with no ability to quickly re-position for more stealthy shots. That would be like an Observer flashing a bright light every few seconds that everyone can see.
@@joshuakim5240 i see.
@@joshuakim5240 I hear you. But consider:
Stealth Tank ambush
Nothing more satisfying than seen terrans blow up by thanks
CHESS BOXING MENTIONED 37:15
This is why I play Terran; because late games like these are awesome
Thx again for great games and excellent commentary.
landed vikings are severely underutilized in tvt i feel. they absolutely shred mech. even that last game, byun pulls it out i think if he lands his vikings on top of the tanks instead of walking them up.
The title makes me think you forgot about the GSL finals (or was it semifinals?) where Maru went into BCs almost every game in a TvT before taking a 4th.
That. Was. Awesome!
Finally some terran vs terran
BEST ACTION SHOW EVER. WOW.
Thanks for the great content.
Best mirror match of the year!
To infinity, and BYUN!
In first late game i see multiple times spread sieged tanks just sitting for a while. They made muliple scans and they have so much command centers... why they don't just drop some mules over the tanks to shoot each other?
This was peak content. I loved it Terrance on Terrance was awesome
Wow, that was actually good
“Don’t expect me to commentate this, ok?” 😂
Well what ARE you gonna do with your life then?
Awesome series (and commentary, ofc)
Don't see many mirror matches, would be fun to see some zvz
I actually would love to see some zvz with the top players
So I guess the question is, what do we hope to see tweaked in 2025? PvT needs help, I'd say TvT and ZvZ are also in need of a slight nudge.
Personally I'd love to see Ghosts autoattack slowed down a bit, snipe range reverted and their armor changed to light. I'd also appreciate Mamaship becoming a detector and it being able to hold 2 charges of recall (can still swap with one and charge slowly). Other than something insane like moving EMP to Ravens, I don't see much that could be done to mildly balance some of these stale matchups.
59:04 is that a giant squid?
Yamato Gun sounded so much cooler than Yamato Cannon
why is a raven not really used in other match ups besides TvT? seems like a good unit
It is still used in TvP, but rather rarely ever since the patch that made matrix researchable instead of baseline.
Which was made becouse it countered early (before getting 3) collosie too hard.
OMG i owe him 5 dollars he said 1401 like he actually went up by one this time lol
Excuse my noobiness but... other than a cameo from liberator, TvT is still the same tank-marine-viking meta we've had since wings of liberty?
That's crazy, vikings on the ground overpowering Thors is not something I expected to see in any Starcraft game ever
Does winter cast for any of the big tournaments? imo hes better than 90% of them. always entertaining.
i have been wondering how does winterstarcraft live on only making starcraft 2 videos? or does he have another inocme, i am asking as a huge fan and i don´t know if he is creating other videos i should know about XD
@@tobiashansen488 he does have another channel 'Wintergaming' where he streams other games besides sc2
Twitch and patreon, he mentions them at the end of most videos
All this talk of Ravens and Vikings and not a purple jersey in sight.
Maybe Jimmy will get some lunch when these videos get up to 1,500 likes.😂
winter is a hype caster
Sometimes I like watching TvT just so I can hear marines dying en masse
I'm beginning to think Jimmy isn't real.
Above and byun?
The last fight in the first game, the tanks on the high ground won byun that game.
There is no such thing as a boring Oliveira series. My man just stands center ring and dares you to come trade punches with him.
Man's game.
My favorite matchup thank you @WinterStarcraft
I like mirrors 😊
How does a former world champion only have 5 - 5 -5 on his trading card lol.
Added my like
Does ByuN know what a starport is?
Bruh - more cc's than a terrible corporate memo...thats effing hilarious
i actualy do wanna see some zvz
if you play diamond BC has a 100% probalility
Bo5->looks at length->damn its either all late game or 1 game lasted more than half of video
🛩
Newer here. Winter, when you look at Jimmy, are you looking at a mirror?
Also I guess I should finish watching the whole video in case you call back to your mirror comment
Nice
FLYING MARINES ARE BEST MARINES