When Bart says on the river "Are you thinking of turning your hand into a bluff here?".. I think the caller just answered "yes" as an automatic response, but most likely wasn't thinking that way on the river. Based on the way he played the hand: The caller's thought process on the river most likely was "well they both checked to me, and I know they wouldn't do that if they had a flush or full house, so three-of-a-kind is most likely good, so i'll bet."
I can't speak to this particular caller, but something I've noticed is an exchange like this, and it happens a lot on these calls: Caller: "Yeah so I checked." Bart: "Checked? You should have bet it all here!" Caller: "Well yeah, that's what I was thinking" It's ok to say, "Oh, I missed that" - after all, that's the whole purpose of the show.
The problem here is with soooo many people limping and the action hands are almost face up at the river.. no one has a flush or full house (like Bart said maybe 5-10% chance someone is being really cute) after that it's an over pair and a better five...I actually thought it was going to be 54 and that's the problem you lose to EVERY possible 5, so you actually should almost play this exactly like you have AA.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj fair enough but maybe they’re worried about a full house and would rather check call and get there hand to showdown rather than bet and get jammed on and have to fold.
Yes, Gothenburg is the second largest city in Sweden. Just over 600 000 and about 1.1 million inhabitants in the metropolitan area. They just celebrated 400 years, Gothenburg was founded 1621! Stockholm is the largest city in Sweden. :) Nice video!
I show this hand down every time given the action and assume I'm beat. I had the guy on like A-5 suited. Given the action, the other player had an over pair, no doubt, and IF he did have the flush and got there, he's certainly betting it. So bluffing off here? Kinda crazy. And, I've have folded pre, so we aren't even in this position.
You moved out of Austin? I have family in Austin, and I've been visiting them off & on over the last 14 years. 14 years ago, I considered moving there, but each year the traffic got worse, and housing prices went up, and now it is just insane. It's a great tech hub, a lot to recommend it, but damn. My friend lives in Round Rock, and 10 years ago I was at his house for dinner. He bought one of the first houses in his neighborhood, and paid $400k for his house. One year later, when we visited, the houses in the neighborhood were selling for $550k. I also have family in Georgetown, and that's far enough north that the prices aren't crazy, but give it time.
Austin also has one of the largest dips in housing prices...down 15% in the last quarter. I just seen this on a UA-cam video. The video was discussing how the housing market can't be propped up forever and prices are about to drop. Can't remember the video.
@@brianfloyd2279 Interesting - they've been increasing steadily for at least 14 years, and probably longer, so it makes sense that there would be some type of correction.
Probably not very GTO but you might even be able to just fold the turn vs the super strong SB raise given that people aren't bluffing in this spot basically ever and we have the second worst 5.
53 suited, the Jaman Burton special. Funny thing is, if hero had raised pre (which, yes should be folding), hero probably would have gotten the SB to fold pre.
@@luisbenites4825 the whole point of these hand history reviews is to consider what hero could do differently next time in a similar spot. So it’s perfectly reasonable to consider whether hero should raise (or fold) preflop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj You don't raise preflop based on results. You raise because your hand is +EV to raise. I can mimic your "analysis" and say what happens when EP 3bets huge after we raise? We need to fold and "would have lost the pot"
@@luisbenites4825 I’ve already replied that effect. I take your point that you can’t just say hero should have raised because SB would then fold. It’s valid to investigate raising as an options though. Though probably not with this hand.
Just had such a similar hand against someone who overplayed KK. I raised with 65s in mp full table and got called by the button and a blind. Flop comes 532 with 2 hearts and I bet about half, getting called by both. Turn comes a non heart 5 and the blind leads out. I raise and then I get 3bet by the button all in. The blind folds and I muck pretty quickly. Button shows KK. People will overplay big pairs and have no sense of how the action should give him pause - I figure I'm beat by too many slow played hands there. Problem is that I didn't consider how all those big hands would have raised the flop and not just called multi way and my opponent showed so much strength i thought I have kicker issues or I'm against a straight or boat
I don’t think you should ever be folding here without a great read. How deep were you? This is pretty top% board for your hand, you’re live vs a straight and should only be A4s combos You’re drawing super thin to sets, but lower stakes players over play so many over pairs on this board. I think you have to call here.
@@TexasPoker40 i agree, I knew right when he showed his hand that i under played my hand and that I was way above my range and he thought he was good because of that
No matter what I try, it ends up failing. Super tight, fundamental tight, tight aggressive/passive aggressive, loose aggressive/wild. No matter if I have AA or J4 or anything in between, on the button, in the blinds, early, middle, or late position; I just can't win.
You need to work on your hand reading... knowing how to bet based on your perceived range vs your opponents perceived range is how to make money in poker... if you're always getting it in with AA post flop you're doing something wrong, sometimes u need to fold strong hands based on the board texture and the action taken.
Bart, I always hear about the opening ranges when folded to, but are these the same ranges to use when other players limp to us? Are there tables for raising when there are limpers?
Best practice is to tighten up by one position per limper. So if you are in hj and there are two limpers, open the range you would from two seats closer to utg.
I live in RI and yes Twin just reopened. Tons of people on waiting lists playing 2/5 on $300 min buys thatd rather play 1/2. I've only went twice, but in my opinion the game appears soft.
Sucks that you actually put the guy with a 5 in the squeeze and he still found a call. But calling with 5T there is almost suicidal given he only really beats 53s and 54s if hero isn’t limping the offsuits or 85s. Low stakes people just don’t like to hit the fold button though.
Outside of a live read, I’d definitely fold the turn. But if I somehow got to the river i’m likely also ripping it in depending on the quality of players.
does a home game not mean w friends and stuff? I play small stakes poker w friends occasionally and i think if somebody tried to take a rake they’d get completely ostracized. Like why even have a “house” edge in a friendly hime game?
Yes home game is a game that is not in a casino. Like if you just invited a bunch of players to come play in your basement or garage. Most would be considered illegal I would believe if the host is taking a rake.
When I limp from early position with a big pair hoping the raising behind me goes bonkers but doesn’t happen I’m willing to fold my big pair post flop if the flop is bad and or I’m met with resistance. It’s 2023 I can’t believe people are still making 2004 mistakes
I am still in early learning stages, but doesn’t him being on the button give him position? I’m a rec that is trying to learn but position kind of confuses me at times.
I don’t understand the guy calling with trip fives after the flush gets there plus the hero is the only person could have a flush here the way hand was played 🤔🤔
If hero is the only player who can have flushes as played then theory would say villain has to call with some of his 5x hands or he’s folding too often. Whether T5 is one of them is debatable though.
If he raised on the button instead of limped the KK would 3 bet and 10 5 would most likely fold he would call on the button since has position and that hand would have been his 🥲
if he raised pf, SB would've called, UTG 3bets, btn calls, SB calls. And after the flop the scenario would be the same. No difference, except more money in the pot.
This is a hand that you give up on the flop even though you flopped trips. You have nothing invested, it's going to be a bad investment. Fold fold fold flop! - DONK2
(JK thumbnail) "How to go broke in a limped pot with hang time".. Bart wouldn't do that, and we've all made mistakes, but boy, that would be a funny thumbnail title..
Jeez, it's hard to play this hand any worse then our hero. If our hero plays a hand this bad, then even Bart's help is not going to get him back on track.
If the guy is calling in for advice he’s obviously trying to get better. He does kinda come off like he’s better in his mind then he is but if he’s teachable and can learn from donking off money.
This guy is definitely the fish in the game 🤦♂️ Typical beginner getting emotionally attached to his hand and clicking buttons. He has no idea why he’s betting or checking or raising.
Bart is not only a great player and poker teacher, he is a good ambassador of the game. That's a powerful combo.
When Bart says on the river "Are you thinking of turning your hand into a bluff here?".. I think the caller just answered "yes" as an automatic response, but most likely wasn't thinking that way on the river. Based on the way he played the hand: The caller's thought process on the river most likely was "well they both checked to me, and I know they wouldn't do that if they had a flush or full house, so three-of-a-kind is most likely good, so i'll bet."
I can't speak to this particular caller, but something I've noticed is an exchange like this, and it happens a lot on these calls:
Caller: "Yeah so I checked."
Bart: "Checked? You should have bet it all here!"
Caller: "Well yeah, that's what I was thinking"
It's ok to say, "Oh, I missed that" - after all, that's the whole purpose of the show.
@iamamish I realized that too.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Horrible idea against this opponent though.
Nice hand reading on both SB and UTG. Very helpful. Thanks.
12:03 "i think i might just check it back and hope SB was doing some bullshit here" LOL that's perfect
The problem here is with soooo many people limping and the action hands are almost face up at the river.. no one has a flush or full house (like Bart said maybe 5-10% chance someone is being really cute) after that it's an over pair and a better five...I actually thought it was going to be 54 and that's the problem you lose to EVERY possible 5, so you actually should almost play this exactly like you have AA.
54 would be a chop
How can someone only have a flush here 10% of the time? People limp suited trash all the time
@@Mauricio-kf8qx unless i have wrong thinking, flush is 12% of the time?
@@Mauricio-kf8qx the idea is that 90% of the time someone would bet the flush on the river instead of checking.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj fair enough but maybe they’re worried about a full house and would rather check call and get there hand to showdown rather than bet and get jammed on and have to fold.
Yes, Gothenburg is the second largest city in Sweden. Just over 600 000 and about 1.1 million inhabitants in the metropolitan area. They just celebrated 400 years, Gothenburg was founded 1621! Stockholm is the largest city in Sweden. :) Nice video!
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Bart you gotta dip your toes into the River baby, you will not be disappointed.
I show this hand down every time given the action and assume I'm beat. I had the guy on like A-5 suited. Given the action, the other player had an over pair, no doubt, and IF he did have the flush and got there, he's certainly betting it. So bluffing off here? Kinda crazy. And, I've have folded pre, so we aren't even in this position.
You moved out of Austin? I have family in Austin, and I've been visiting them off & on over the last 14 years. 14 years ago, I considered moving there, but each year the traffic got worse, and housing prices went up, and now it is just insane. It's a great tech hub, a lot to recommend it, but damn. My friend lives in Round Rock, and 10 years ago I was at his house for dinner. He bought one of the first houses in his neighborhood, and paid $400k for his house. One year later, when we visited, the houses in the neighborhood were selling for $550k.
I also have family in Georgetown, and that's far enough north that the prices aren't crazy, but give it time.
Austin also has one of the largest dips in housing prices...down 15% in the last quarter. I just seen this on a UA-cam video.
The video was discussing how the housing market can't be propped up forever and prices are about to drop. Can't remember the video.
@@brianfloyd2279 Interesting - they've been increasing steadily for at least 14 years, and probably longer, so it makes sense that there would be some type of correction.
At least you know that the sb will give you implied odds when you hit your draws in the future.
Turn is such a trivial fold.
Probably not very GTO but you might even be able to just fold the turn vs the super strong SB raise given that people aren't bluffing in this spot basically ever and we have the second worst 5.
Hahaha ok this is a super sick river bluff. Yeah you probably do have to do this sometimes if you're going to call the turn. I commend the ballsiness
not disagreeing but on the turn we actually have the absolute worst 5 since 52 boats up.
Trips is a sucker hand imo
GTO hasn't solved 3 to the turn.
I check river. I think any hand better calls any worse hand folds.
Hey Bart,
I watch all your videos. I love the content!
I do wonder why some videos get reposted, like this one, more than once?
They aren't reposted. You might have caught this hand on the live stream that we do on Mondays.
53 suited, the Jaman Burton special. Funny thing is, if hero had raised pre (which, yes should be folding), hero probably would have gotten the SB to fold pre.
But then UTG probably 3 bets and the hand is over. Although granted that would be better than hero losing his stack.
If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle. But just like your comment, it's not relevant to the hand
@@luisbenites4825 the whole point of these hand history reviews is to consider what hero could do differently next time in a similar spot.
So it’s perfectly reasonable to consider whether hero should raise (or fold) preflop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj You don't raise preflop based on results. You raise because your hand is +EV to raise. I can mimic your "analysis" and say what happens when EP 3bets huge after we raise? We need to fold and "would have lost the pot"
@@luisbenites4825 I’ve already replied that effect.
I take your point that you can’t just say hero should have raised because SB would then fold.
It’s valid to investigate raising as an options though. Though probably not with this hand.
Just had such a similar hand against someone who overplayed KK. I raised with 65s in mp full table and got called by the button and a blind. Flop comes 532 with 2 hearts and I bet about half, getting called by both. Turn comes a non heart 5 and the blind leads out. I raise and then I get 3bet by the button all in. The blind folds and I muck pretty quickly. Button shows KK. People will overplay big pairs and have no sense of how the action should give him pause - I figure I'm beat by too many slow played hands there. Problem is that I didn't consider how all those big hands would have raised the flop and not just called multi way and my opponent showed so much strength i thought I have kicker issues or I'm against a straight or boat
I don’t think you should ever be folding here without a great read. How deep were you?
This is pretty top% board for your hand, you’re live vs a straight and should only be A4s combos
You’re drawing super thin to sets, but lower stakes players over play so many over pairs on this board. I think you have to call here.
@@TexasPoker40 i agree, I knew right when he showed his hand that i under played my hand and that I was way above my range and he thought he was good because of that
Easy fold to the turn check-raise imo.
7:55 _I'm not scared of UDG...somebody who's trying to limp/reraise here with a Big pair..._ How do you know?
No matter what I try, it ends up failing. Super tight, fundamental tight, tight aggressive/passive aggressive, loose aggressive/wild. No matter if I have AA or J4 or anything in between, on the button, in the blinds, early, middle, or late position; I just can't win.
Maybe you have an obvious live tell of some sort. Tried online (real money not play money) with sane results?
You need to work on your hand reading... knowing how to bet based on your perceived range vs your opponents perceived range is how to make money in poker... if you're always getting it in with AA post flop you're doing something wrong, sometimes u need to fold strong hands based on the board texture and the action taken.
Yo I live in RI! Get me in this game
When the spr on the flop is 40 and you get it in on the river with weak trips, you probably royally fucked up somewhere along the way
Wait! They reopened TR? I’ve been waiting for years !
Bart, I always hear about the opening ranges when folded to, but are these the same ranges to use when other players limp to us? Are there tables for raising when there are limpers?
Best practice is to tighten up by one position per limper. So if you are in hj and there are two limpers, open the range you would from two seats closer to utg.
_tables for raising_ hmmm... you can raise any table if you can lift it.
If he raised pre and called utg 3b he wins stack
I live in RI and yes Twin just reopened.
Tons of people on waiting lists playing 2/5 on $300 min buys thatd rather play 1/2. I've only went twice, but in my opinion the game appears soft.
This is why you should be doing more raising or folding pretty flop instead of limping
Sucks that you actually put the guy with a 5 in the squeeze and he still found a call. But calling with 5T there is almost suicidal given he only really beats 53s and 54s if hero isn’t limping the offsuits or 85s. Low stakes people just don’t like to hit the fold button though.
How many of you would simply bet fold the turn here with trips?
I don't play the hand the way villian played it but if I did I fold the turn.
he doesn’t have a set, he has trip fives. Sets are much stronger than trips bc u hold the pocket pair so realistically he could fold and it be OK
Turn no, but check at end.
@TheFutureIsImpenetrable not a set
Outside of a live read, I’d definitely fold the turn. But if I somehow got to the river i’m likely also ripping it in depending on the quality of players.
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does a home game not mean w friends and stuff? I play small stakes poker w friends occasionally and i think if somebody tried to take a rake they’d get completely ostracized. Like why even have a “house” edge in a friendly hime game?
I’m new to poker :) dont harass me if im dead wrong on what “home game” means
Probably an underground/illegal game of sorts maybe
Yes home game is a game that is not in a casino. Like if you just invited a bunch of players to come play in your basement or garage. Most would be considered illegal I would believe if the host is taking a rake.
Some run a game just for the profits of taking a rake. I believe taking a rake to profit would be reason it’s illegal.
Bart, you moved out of Austin??
When I limp from early position with a big pair hoping the raising behind me goes bonkers but doesn’t happen I’m willing to fold my big pair post flop if the flop is bad and or I’m met with resistance. It’s 2023 I can’t believe people are still making 2004 mistakes
My intuition is very strong so I probably know I’m beat on the flop but would I get away from it…I don’t know???
I have a hard and fast rule.... "never go broke in a limped pot"
Yep.
This was a good one. I am not a pro, but I would not have played those cards OOP. I know he hit trips. But that is were the problem starts
I am still in early learning stages, but doesn’t him being on the button give him position? I’m a rec that is trying to learn but position kind of confuses me at times.
@@hullhealersboatworksrestor4377 You are correct. Being on the button means that you are in position.
A raise pre gets rid of 10 5...just sayin.
53s is the nuts, what are you talking about. Ask Jaman. Funniest thing I've never lost myself with that hand either. No kidding.
I would have raised the button preflop and I take the KK for his whole stack tbh.
Just a brutal jam imo. Only going to get called by better and nobody is folding a 5 in these stakes🤷♂️
Also depends what kindve reads you have on the table. Who’s playing tight and who’s not plays a big part in bet folding the turn
Horribly played KK. Eh nice try bluff river, but bad if opponent is calling with 5 10.
I don’t understand the guy calling with trip fives after the flush gets there plus the hero is the only person could have a flush here the way hand was played 🤔🤔
If hero is the only player who can have flushes as played then theory would say villain has to call with some of his 5x hands or he’s folding too often.
Whether T5 is one of them is debatable though.
bart left austin?
If he raised on the button instead of limped the KK would 3 bet and 10 5 would most likely fold he would call on the button since has position and that hand would have been his 🥲
if he raised pf, SB would've called, UTG 3bets, btn calls, SB calls. And after the flop the scenario would be the same. No difference, except more money in the pot.
@@pot_kivach160 you are saying 10 5 is going to call after it goes raise 3 bet call I don’t think so
Bart left Austin like he folds naked trips to a check raise
This is a hand that you give up on the flop even though you flopped trips.
You have nothing invested, it's going to be a bad investment.
Fold fold fold flop!
- DONK2
WTF kind of home game has $10 rake. Sounds more like a mob underground game.
Forgot Foxwoods and Mohegan in CT
(JK thumbnail) "How to go broke in a limped pot with hang time"..
Bart wouldn't do that, and we've all made mistakes, but boy, that would be a funny thumbnail title..
If the caller raises pre and calls UTG's 3 bet , then he probably gets the SB to fold and ends up winning a big pot.
Twin is back!?!?
If you play poker if your good enough to play its good enough to raise.
people bad enough to not let trips go but good enough to trap with a FH? seems random to me 🤔
Trapping with a FH isn’t good though. It’s clearly better to just to bet out.
Max $10! Holy
Typical low stakes home game lines by everyone, lol.
Don’t ever bluff with trips
Jeez, it's hard to play this hand any worse then our hero.
If our hero plays a hand this bad, then even Bart's help is not going to get him back on track.
If the guy is calling in for advice he’s obviously trying to get better. He does kinda come off like he’s better in his mind then he is but if he’s teachable and can learn from donking off money.
This guy is definitely the fish in the game 🤦♂️
Typical beginner getting emotionally attached to his hand and clicking buttons.
He has no idea why he’s betting or checking or raising.