Let's Rank Melee's Most Iconic Rivalries | The Pantheon Ep. 3
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2022
- Toph, N0ne, and PPMD bre3akdown the most iconic Melee rivalries and induct a new member of the Pantheon.
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Toph vs the current position of his hair is S tier
WOW
Lmaooo
S+ IMO I don't think there's a losing matchup.
😂😂😂
When are you dropping your Fox tribute Badmin?
A rivalry newer players wouldn’t know was one between Isai and DA Wes. People like to meme about “if isai tried”, well the fact is when he played Wes he played him at 110%. I don’t know why but for some reason Isai went after him in the game.
It used to be said “Isai played DA Wes like Wes murdered his whole family”. Another funny thing I saw myself was once DA Wes was calling out Isai on smashboards, and Isai just posted “pick a better character”.
The greatest rivalry is between Dr PP and PPMD
who?
EMG won this one
The Zain roasting by the rest of the GG crew never gets old lmao
I'm so shocked they didnt mention Hbox/Armada, or Leffen/Mang0, Mang0/Zain; three incredible rivalries off the top of my head that weren't brought up. I hope they do a part 2 of this video
Piggybacking off the top comment. The Leffen Westballz beef was huge for a time. Ill never forget that combo Wes did on battlefield in Beast 5(?) The one with the ledge canceled turnaround grab was fucking insane.
tbh the hbox/armada never felt like an actual rivalrie, just the top 2 players trying to be top 1.
@@agustingarcia8770 Even considering Armada pulling out the young link just for hbox, hbox responding with the ness, and then later on Armada pulling out the fox? I think there's more to it than that.
@@poppinfresh1010 Yeah you are right. Was thinking only about late 5 gods armada vs hbox. My bad 🙏
@@poppinfresh1010 the character swap arc of the rivalry was pretty silly in retrospect; Peach, Young Link and Fox from Armada, and Puff, Fox, Falco and Ness from Hbox. Different times lol
Honestly, kind of insane that PC Chris vs Ken wasn't brought up when that was THE rivalry during the MLG days.
I can't believe Zain died this is so sad. At least he went on to win Genesis afterward
This is an excellent comment, can't believe you got so robbed.
Day 29 of asking GG Melee to make a compilation of every time n0ne says “Zain...” like a disappointed parent
One more to the list
The silence before PP says “S” and it just pops up in S is THEE funniest thing ever 🤣🤣
Leffen v chillin is probably the least balanced rivalry skillwise, but it is such an iconic smash moment, probably melee's second best known after wombo combo, and for that alone I put in A (or B :) )
I'm so happy we got a surprise "None calling out Zain like a disappointed parent" at the end, my favorite non-skit skit.
Greatest rivalry for me definitely is Armada vs. The World. He was THAT guy everyone wanted to beat or even take a set off because of his legacy he had during his active days, that's really hard to top.
Of course if we only go with a rivalry between two people than I would probably either go with Mango/Armada or Leffen/Samus.
Great content as per usual, GG is goated.
You mean a running gag?
I just realized they all have 4 letters in their names. None, Zain, PPMD and Toph! Should do something like a battle of the four or something idk could be fun.
ALSO NO ZAIN/MANGO RIVALRY??
They can battle for each others letters and decimate each others tags. It'd be terrible for SEO, but the idea of "ain" desperately trying to get back his letter from "NoneZ" in a Bowser ditto could be silly content
@@dansonnguyen7663 A battle until someone becomes NZTP0AOPNIPMENHD
@@dansonnguyen7663 lol that would be amazing
It's kinda hard to talk about the Mang0/Zain rivalry since it's still ongoing and possibly hasn't even peaked yet.
they all got golden boxing mittens when they each joined GG with their names on them, and they all look great cause their names are the same length
I can’t believe Hbox vs Armada isn’t in this video, seems like one of the more obvious inclusions
I’m so happy we’ve got PP for that OG insight
"Out of respect for Chillen, let's do B. Because, his B". Fucking golden zingers from ed
can't wait to see m2k write another essay on why he was better than Ken in '06
and he was fucking right idk m2k is literally an icon
Like eight people where better than ken, total hack
@@barakbrooks9288id say you have an argument for bombsoldier and isai and that's about it.
I feel like a super underrated rivalry is plup/leffen because they haven't matched up in bracket recently but there was a constant back and forth. A niche pick in my opinion would be moky/n0ne for the battle of the best canadian player over the years is pretty close lifetime
Leffen vs Plup was at one point looking like the next generation Mang0 vs Armada. They're the only two Godslayers, it's still USA vs Sweden, and as you said they would go back and forth. I'll always love the period between late 2017 to 2018 where the Melee storyline was begging for a grand finals clash(TBH7, G5, EVO 2018). Shame it never happened; it's the only thing missing to start pushing this rivalry into all-time great territory.
The thing with the Leffen/Hbox rivalry is that Leffen's rise was in a big way measured by his sets with Hbox. They went last hit at Apex 2013, had a salty suite I believe at Evo 2013, another salty suite at Apex 2014 before Leffen beat him for the first time in bracket at Apex 2014. And then they were ranks 5 and 6 that year. I might be remembering some of the details wrong but it's an interesting case where a lot of their in-game rivalry happened before a lot of their in-person (or online) animosity.
Plus, Leffen was one of the few people who really had Hbox's number in 2019 when the cracks in the armor were first starting to show. It was very fun to watch the two "villains" of the scene (and I use that very lightly in Hbox's case, since for the most part it was only because he was so dominant) face off and it was one of the rare moments where pretty much the whole crowd was rooting for Leffen.
I think something worth mentioning about Mango/M2K that carried on even after Genesis was this idea that M2K was the bane of every melee player's existence, who you would dread having to play early on, but Mango was kinda this kryptonite to him, and a major sore spot of his, while at the same time being a player who could make Mango very antsy and slip up because of how much he didn't want to deal with M2K's game pace
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I’ve been around since 2017 and I’m just kinda shocked that mango zain isn’t considered a rivalry since I think they have brought the best sets out of melee in recent years by far
I don’t think mango zain will ever mean what mango armada meant
Unless it’s got about a decade left in it
Yeah. The Mang0/Armada rivalry had SO much story behind it.
I will say, however, that the Mang0 Zain rivalry that happened leading up to Summit 11 did remind me A LOT of the Summer of Smash when Armada and Mango entered so many fucking tournaments. Constantly going back and forth with who won the tournaments. I can't remember what year that happened in, but I know it was pre 2013 (2011 maybe? Idk).
It's definitely shaping up to be something big and I hope we get something special out of it.
@@xilverknight155 totally agreed, one thing I’d also add is that armada/mango was special because it truly felt like they kept the scene alive and bridged the gap from early melee into modern melee, for a while the story of their rivalry felt like it contained the story of why melee was still popular
RIP Zain, he will be missed
Hbox vs Armada, Zain vs Mang0 just to name a couple that are for sure A+ candidates but were left out of the tier list.
Hax Vs Leffen is s huge one. Hax wrote a fucking book about him
@@Superkirbeh and leffen tried to get hax banned
No rivalry is quite this crazy lmao
@@user-el1nv9hd1l i mean hax IS banned i wouldn't say he tried
@@HS-su9pg Well I mean a few years ago
@@user-el1nv9hd1l When did leffen try to get hax banned? (Besides... now I guess lol)
6:30 was the most perfect moment to say “cee deez nutz” 😂
My favorite channel rn thanks guys
Would have loved to see Zain's take on this. He was newer to the scene so he would have some more perspective closer to an ordinary viewer during that time. Idk
Zain is Sick!!!
Leffen vs Hbox should be S tier
NO HBOX ARMADA????? WHAT???? They were literally grands at every tournament for like 3 years in a row lmao
love the pantheon series so far
Thanks GG, insane content
This feels like someone who read an article about melee on polygon one time and watched the documentary chose the rivalries. There's so many other options that are actual rivalries. But at least they did include a few good ones.
I think they purposefully picked rivalries that weren't the best so that the tier list could have entrants in the lower tiers. No point in tier list if it's all S and A tier
I hope they mention BBB vs Jerry
Every player gets a normal/professional photo... and then there's webcam Hax$. RIP
Lucky and Wes definitely had a high tier rivalry
If yall would make a part 2, I would include:
* PPU vs Sfat, they played a lot and were neck and neck. Then had the homie vibes on the team, definitely can be considered healthy rivals.
* PPMD/Mango, this one felt kinda mean but I felt like it leveled up falco a lot. Even now mango kinda discredits pp a bit, maybe its an ego bait for him to come back. This is my favorite in all of smash because it shows what ego can do.
* Hbox / Armada from the Young Link, to solidifying the fox secondary and evo 2016 comeback. Honestly, this could be number 1.
* Bizzaro / Kage (I guess you can put eikelman bc the salty suite). But the gannons were running their mouth for a bit.
* Leffen / Zain, the sheik and icies are a cool part. Nice ingame rivalry.
* Mango/Zain
* Plup / Leffen, lowkey this one is underrated.
* Plup/Wizzy - seeing a Falcon consistently beating a sheik at that era was insane + the cfl local rivalry and in pm. They also both were able to keep it close during hgod era against hbox.
* Hax/Gravy for the smashboxx.
* Hax/Leffen for the skitzo shit
* Honestly just do Leffen vs 5 gods. With the m2k 6-0, mang0 money match, armada, hbox and pretty much all beside PP.
* M2K vs 5 gods too can work.
* GimR vs PM
* Panda cup vs smash world tour
* Melee vs Salem, salem got cooked.
* Leffen vs twitter
* Axe vs Sfat, kinda the only fox who knew the MU and both were ranked around eachother for a long time.
* Duck/ Samus’ vs Leffen- it was close for a while then kinda ended.
* S2J/Abate - kinda the same as above.
* Cody / Jmook - friendly king of NY type shit.
* Ken vs PC chris
* Hugs vs Chudat
* Neo / Jman
* Amsah vs Armada - OG eu rivalry
* Amsa/Axe - friendly one like pufaf.
* Shroomed vs all of norcal.
* Mike Haze / Chilln
great vid guys
Pantheon content is GOATED
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jokes aside tho this is a great episode! glad to see more of these
Mango and hbox will endlessly play each other both trying to be the goat of melee. 50 years from now they will be sitting side by side beefing and playing melee
Missed HBox Armada as well
Best channel on UA-cam
More of these please!
Of what exactly?
@@dannybos7024 rivalry ranking videos like this! I need to see how they rank mango zain.
How the heck is Leffen vs Westballz beef only B?? Their set in Sweden was unforgettable. In-game taunts, IRL taunts, absolute slobber knocker sets and a crazy upset from Westballz (even though he eventually loses.) Definitely an A tier beef.
PLEASE PART TWO
Thumbnail is god tier
Zain Hbox in part 2
hopefully there is a part 2 since this seems to be a 1-parter
Part 2 please!
somehow Leffen vs Twitter didn't make the cut
Leffen vs. [insert anyone]
Ive interacted online with many smashers like Ken, Lucky, Ringler, and HMW to name a few. I’m not their best friend but I can at least talk to them and chill. The one time I interacted with Leffen online was very unpleasant. He was condescending and had a big mouth behind his computer. Like great, you insult people online like it means the same thing as saying it to their face.
I’m assuming people who actually know him would hopefully say he’s actually pleasant in person but as far as online he seems intolerable and immature.
The problem with this video is that once you see the topic, true fans know that there is only one answer. Mango Armada is Melee.
Ken Azen is definitely the prehistoric version. Mango hbox and leffen armada come close but no one would actually put them at the top.
Hbox vs Armada should've gotten a mention.
chillin leffen at b is a crime completely based on how viral it was and how huge of an event the money match was
I just got around to watching this. We forgot about an S tier rivalry: Ken vs PC Chris
The true S tier rivalry in GG Melee is Toph vs everyone else in Jeopardy.
Leffen Westballz was huge for first doc kids. Also best rap beef is now technicals/leffen
What if they made a Part 2 2022 Edition of this list. Lot of fresh storylines from last year like Zain/Jmook, Mango/aMSa, Cody/Hbox, Axe/Zain, Jmook/Hbox, SFOP/Magi, Zain/Moky, Jmook/Cody, Mango/Zain, Toph/HugS, and of course Hbox/chair and Leffen/the world.
Hugs and Chillin was missing some stuff like the current money match situation, and when Hugs was defending Chillin on twitter and Chillin zinged him back, so after metagame came out Hugs reviewed the new My B footage to see it from another angle
Yo thank you for not forgetting West exists like some people want to do
Bananas and Fiction rivalry is underrated
Please do more content with them actually playing melee! (Blindfolded, Low-Tier, Tenkaichi, Adventure Mode, etc.) The exceptions are Jeopardy and Skits.
I agree. Tenkaichi is goated content.
I enjoy the pantheon stuff as well
I think the mmr makes this kind of content harder
@@brandonsolis6911 I hear that for low-tier stuff, but 1. They could introduce handicaps. 2. There could be rules that slightly punish frontrunners. Also, I think everyone has a pretty equal chance for the rest of the silly modes. Blindfolded/Tenkaihi/Bingo modes have just the right amount of competition, luck, and on-the-spot creativity, (kinda like Mario Party) to make them super fun to watch.
Videos simply slap line earned a like
y'all forgetting the lucky westballz sets from big houses 4 & 5
I think for Sure Armada v Hbox & Ken PC Chris sure be mentioned and ranked S as well. Maybe in the future Zain v Mango as well. (who knows 5 years down the road maybe Zain v IBDW too)
hearing toph talk about hbox-leffen was weird, it almost seemed like he'd forgotten about the out-of-game things leffen said about hbox, and the incident where leff refused to fist bump hbox at genesis
I’m so happy Hax has relaxed
Toph, this is getting out of hand, I can't believe you've now called me a bronze gamer. What's next? Copper gamer? Unbelievable
Anyone else feel bad for Wes?
How did they not mention mango/Leffen?!
“been a while since someone got that” :( sadge pp deserve to give it
wait, is the trim on the top of the video supposed to be a pattern of Gs?
no, I'm pretty sure that it's just roman/grecian style architecture because it's the "pantheon"
One more thing about the M2K Mango rivalry is that they viewed the game very differently I mean Mang0 was like fuck frame data it’s all about intuition and instinct while M2K was all technicalities and the kinda nerd of the game who knew everything so there’s that
HOW IS AXE VS SFAT NOT HERE!?!?
Epic.
Mang0 vs. Zain rivalry not included?
Leffen Vs Hax is s good one too
Kage vs Linguini
Darkrain vs SilentSpectre
Surprised they didn't put Zain and Mango on the list at all
why no hbox armada rivalry
Armada vs anyone able to take a set off of him
instrumental at 17:10???
I feel like some of these are high tier "beef" but mid tier "rivalry". Like Leffen Hbox, Chillin Leffen, leffen westballz. now that I type it out seems like its just all leffen =P
Zain Mango no ranking is a tragedy
hax vs falcon?
RIP Zain
ahh yes, mang0 v armada, the mcenroe v bjorg of our time.
No Ken PC?
Nintendo vs their fans is definitely up there
I'm so sad mango amsa isnt in this
I think PPMD Armada is pretty huge. Just watch Genesis 3 and how Armada reacts from beating PPMD. Getting that sort of response not even in Grand Finals says a lot.
Starting to think n0ne must legitimately dislike Zain
n0ne s2j wizzy? thats up there
Hax vs Leffen
Rip Zain
Toph, let pp talk sometimes in some of the videos lol
Why does armada look so hot in that photo
NO ZAIN I COMPLAIN
Zain Cody will probably also be one of the all time greats, and Cody Jmook. and Zain Jmook, for that matter haha, though i think Cody is a much more obvious rival for Jmook since they're from the same region. but yeah, any combination of these three players would be up there nowadays. Mango and Amsa and Hungrybox are all also at the top right now, but they dont have the same kind of Rivalry with all of the other tournament-winning players. Like, Zain-Jmook-Cody is kind of a perfect triangle of rivalries, and Mango has a rivalry with Zain, but is Mango-Jmook a rivalry? im not really sure it is, lol. is Hbox-Amsa? hell, does Amsa have a rivalry with anyone? i guess Mango probably wants to have a rivalry with Amsa because of Amsa taking Big House 10 haha, but idk lol
Hbox vs crab
armada/hbox, c'mon
1:14 Is that a tic that toph has? I've never noticed it until i saw what i thought was a graphical issue in the video, only to look back and see a roid ragers' neck in the middle of a PR lift.
Likely. I had the same habit in high school, but I forced myself to unlearn it over the years.