@@nunbxtch Got that. Just saying that if it happens that the idea is surrounded by a good pacing, good characterization, and a compelling, logical story.
My problem with The Doctor being The Timeless Child was that it made them intrinsically special. I much preferred the idea that all that made The Doctor special among the Timelords was their willingness to act. I always interpreted this theme that anyone can be a hero if they are willing to step up and take action, which was often reinforced by the extraordinary actions of their rather ordinary companions.
@@tarvoc746 The doctor being super special has basically been a theme since the start. The issue with the timeless child I have, is that it turned "he's super special because of luck and smarts" into "he's super special because he was born that way".
Exactly, and what you describe is actually good writing. What they did with The Timeless Child is simply Mary Sue; The Doctor is amazing because they were born to be that, rather than growing as a character and becoming something more. The concept of "Hero By Birth" is amateur garbage by today's standards, and similar bad tropes are appearing throughout high-end/Hollywood productions. Making The Doctor the timeless child is the very definition of "Hero By Birth" and it would've been far better to not touch the concept with a million kilometer pole.
I'll always stick to the theory that the master is truly the timeless child and just tricked the doctor into believing he was it. I also believe if the doctor were related to the timeless child he'd be the person that discovered the master/timeless child . Its one of those things where what we got can be reinterpritted as a lie by the master. . From my perspective the show can say one thing but in the overall plot a head cannon fills the holes in better sometimes. . Like maybe the master is after the doctor cause of the trauma they were put under by them and relearning that information made them spiteful so we got the current master. . Then they force the doctor to experience what their lives were like and questioning who they are. . The doctor being closet to the timeless child could imply they also have near infinite regenerations to some small degree but ultimately they just wanted to do good and the name doctor is a promise they made to the master to not let anyone suffer the way they did. . Maybe the real name of the doctor is hidden because it reveals the past of the pain the inflicted on the timeless child. . I think it adds more to the show even if it's not cannon but I hope one day maybe the concept is reworked. . Just sharing my tidbit
One reason why the reapers don't appear could also be because other changes weren't as drastic as that one. Saving her father would have led to Rose not becoming a literal god across all of time and space, and if any event deserves the description "fixed point in time", it would be that.
Let's also not forget about the alternate timeline they visited and had encounters with. Where Rose's dad basically became the number one company google and facebook are trying to become in our reality. Not to mention the creation of the human cybermen. Looking at that alternate timeline, the difference was HUGE.
i also think that rose's dad being saved wasn't even the reason the reapers appeared, it was the doctor and rose seeing themselves, which is quickly forgotten about in the episode after it happens
I remember thinking that clara was somebody that rose had created during her time as the bad wolf. I had this theory that because rose used the power of bad wolf to keep the doctor safe, she might have used it to create somebody for the doctor's future who would be the perfect companion and would save him time and time again. 😊
Funny thing is, when I first saw the Bad Wolf episode, I thought the story was going in that direction; that Rose would be scattered across time and space, being written out of the story as a main character, and only reappearing as a guest star at key points in the Doctor's continued adventures. I was rather surprised that the Clara story turned out so similar to something I had myself imagined years before Clara was even introduced to the show. On a separate note, I thought it was rather lame that both Rose and Clara were saved by the Doctor, as it made their "sacrifice" so much less impactful - and later episodes would have them sacrificed anyway, when they wrote them out of the story because the actors were ready to leave the show.
"The Master, after all, is a dick." This line had me laughing for like a minute straight, I couldn't breathe. Not just the calm with which it was delivered, but also the surprise at seeing anyone in WhoCulture swear.
Tennant is not the doctor, Tennant is just a set of 3 special episodes, people need to stop acting like he's got a full season, we already know whose the next full season doctor also, tenant is only back cos of the forced regen and degen so his regen has fucked up for 3 episodes lol
@@shaanysully9908 he is still the doctor, just because it is only for a short period does not mean he is not the doctor... The war doctor is still the doctor and he had only one episode he was in essentially, does that mean he never existed? Does it also mean that the second tenant doctor never existed after he poured the engery into his hand? No for both, they are all still the doctor, it is just the case that a Timelord can regenerate into their own faces again occasionally.
Given that David and Georgia are married with five kids, it might feel weird for them to play father and daughter. I could see her coming back with a different Doctor though
My own fan theory? The First Doctor had a sonic screwdriver. If you look at “An Unearthly Child,” the First Doctor appears carrying a penlight. And if you recall the War Games, the Second Doctor’s sonic looks like a penlight. Just because the First Doctor doesn’t use his penlight like a sonic, doesn’t mean it’s not a sonic.
This is backed up by the Virgin Missing Adventure _Venusian_ _Lullaby_ (1994): 'The (First) Doctor cracks the code for the launch sequence of a Sou(ou)shi shuttle using an "unknown sonic device".'
The simplest explanation for why the Doctor meets other characters in chronological order, or any convenient/co-incidental landing is explained in The Doctor's Wife: The Doctor : You didn't always take me where I wanted to go. Idris : No, but I always took you where you needed to go.
The Master as the Timeless Child is something I also suspected. Flux seems to have done away with that potential. The idea that the Doctor is more than we think, more than an ordinary Timelord is intriguing and something that Who has toyed with. The Chib era did a poor job at it.
Honestly, the doctor being an ordinary time lord would have made him more intriguing and more relatable, similar to jackson lake from the next doctor, an ordinary human who thought he was the doctor protecting London Town from the cyber men
Well they've seemed to have breathed new life into this theory with The Power of The Doctor and the whole 'the Master wanting not be himself anymore' subplot.
I like the idea that the timeless child is actually Susan, and The Doctor was someone who found out about it, and helped her escape from Gallifrey. In order to help hide her, they had their memories altered to believe The Doctor was her Grandfather, and he also placed a few false breadcrumbs to draw suspicion to him instead to further protect her.
Chib fucked a lot of things up but thank fuck the master wasn't the timeless child, the timeless child can't die and has infinite restrictions it seems, and if that was the master eventually there'd be no doctor to protect us against the masters schemes. The doc being the timeless child has made it perfect so the doctor will always be around to protect earth
@@shaanysully9908 Infinite Regenerations does not mean the Timeless Child can't die. They can be killed without incurring regeneration, and can even be killed mid-regeneration. The show has illustrated this point, numerous times. And that's before Tectuen restricted their regenerations to 12 before changing them and sending them a billion years into Gallifrey's future.
Rory was the Master under a chameleon arch. That was how Prisoner Zero - the Master in his morphant "snake" form per the telemovie - actually escaped, and this explains Rory's anachronistic 1990 badge. The real human Williams, never seen on screen, was an orderly in Grace Holloway's hospital in the 90s. All the multi-form stuff was just extra morphants. And this is how Rory can die and die again. And why River, the Master's daughter, is a Time Lady. This is also the reason Eleven poked Rory in the head when they first met and said he has a "living but dormant mind". And, of course, the Master's Tardis, made invisible thanks to its working chameleon circuit, was parked on the duck pond - which is why there were no ducks there.
The whole point in the episode 'Amy's Choice' is the reason the Church of the Silence knew how to blow up the Tardis. Because the doctor, realising he's still in a dream, ends the episode by blowing up the Tardis.
I’ve been saying since the timeless child it would make so much more sense if it was the master , would explain why he’s crazy for one , also the doctor is just a mad man in a box he’s not the chosen one and we like that. I’m still hoping they eventually retcon all this timeless child stuff or at least make it make sense Also would explain how the master came back after missy and the master killed each other.
@@rileytipper5110 Sure, why not? If something's broken beyond repair, it's better to just start over. Like buying a new car, instead of trying to fix the one you totalled.
@@LadyDoomsinger nah I don’t agree with rebooting the whole show , why let one writer ruin a whole legacy? The shows about to get good again with RTD back and a promising new doctor with Ncuti Gatwa , no need to reboot it all
i saw a theory before about regenerations that said that the more intense they are is dependent on how much the doctor accepts the fact they died and are ready to move on, which explains why 10's regen was really powerful and exploded the tardis because he "didnt want to go" , and 11's was so fast because he was ready to
You know, I saw someone mention this in discussion of Classic Who - Romana was able to control the regeneration process when she chose to undergo it willingly, and... apparently the explanation for this was that she had "taken a class" once that *taught* her how to control her regeneration, down to picking the exact body. This implies two things about regeneration as a process: 1.) It CAN be controlled if you know what you are doing, at least/ especially if you are actively choosing to do it 2.) You don't necessarily *know* how to control it, if you're relying on instinct alone. In fact, It's tricky enough to that a sophisticated Time Lady like Romana had to take a class to learn the technique(s) to do so, implying that it is of course *equally* if not *more* likely, that a given Time Lord *won't* know how to do this or could just mess up/ be flat out bad at it. Considering that we get a lot of running jokes about how yes the Doctor is smart and capable but often not *quite* as smart and capable as they think they are, it would perfectly fitting and I think rather fun if all that were true, and it just so happens the Doctor is on average not good at controlling them. Especially since it's not exactly often the Doctor has a choice in the matter to begin with.
I posted this a while ago on the Reddit about the ruth incarnation. I think she is the last incarnation pre hartnall and here's my thinking. She's worked out that she's been experimented on for years and try's to run and hide, she steals a tardis that breaks when she lands in earth and hides it - Harnall will go on to steel that same one later as he doesn't know why but he has an instinct to run. Ruth ultimately gets captured and gets her mind wiped and reset back to a child, and the timelords believe there 'Experiment' has worked - but Ruth leaves an impression in the subconscious resulting in the doctor again assuming the name of doctor. It would explain why she doesn't recognise the screwdriver, why the tardis was broken and where she fits in the timeline. Anyway just a thought - happy to chat and looking forward to seeing more of Ruth I hope in the final episode
My favourite theory for the Fugitive Doctor is that she's the Season 6B Doctor. That during the 2nd Doctor's trial at the end of The War Games he was pressed into service by the Celestial Intervention Agency/The Division, both then appearing in The Two Doctors and The Five Doctors during this time before regenerating into the Fugitive Doctor who after running from Division was captured mindwiped of their missions for them, and forcefully regenerated into the Third Doctor who was then banished to Earth. Though this would fix a lot, including the continuity errors of The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, it would also mean that the 11th Doctor was wrong when he claimed in The Time Of The Doctor that he regenerated into himself and kept the same face in Journey's End, which is rather an unpopular idea with some.
@@garygcrook this was my second choice, I liked it I just couldn’t solve how she didn’t know about the screwdriver this way, however you could explain that away with some Swiss cheese brain explanation.
@@bb_nation7963 Actually, it's simpler than that. She didn't recognise the 13th Doctor's sonic as a Sonic Screwdriver, even though from what was said she knew what a Sonic Screwdriver was. Fugitive Doctor: I don't know. Why don't you try asking that cute little gizmo of yours? (13th pulls out her Sonic Screwdriver) Yeah, that's the one. 13th Doctor: I did. I used it on you, but it couldn't decrypt the bio-shield. If you've been restored... (uses sonic on both of them) Same person. Fugitive Doctor: Oh, no. 13th Doctor: But you don't recognise the sonic screwdriver. Fugitive Doctor: Smart enough not to need one. This fits with the timeline as the 2nd Doctor's Sonic was just a device that used sound to screw and unscrew things. It's with the 3rd Doctor that we start seeing a Sonic Screwdriver that's more than just something that works on just screws and bolts.
Concerning the Eye of Harmony: there is only one. The one on Gallifrey exists simultaneously on every TARDIS. P.S. What did it take for Ellie to actually say that the Doctor was the best TARDIS pilot, and NOT River? Breathe, Ellie; just breathe.
I'd say the doctor was the best pilot...for HIS TARDIS. I bet there have been plenty of other timelords that were better TARDIS pilots overall. But the TARDIS that the doctor uses seems to have a personality that deviates from the others. And only he can pilot it properly.
@@scarletm1848 Properly, perhaps. But not best. And all those times River seemed to know more about the controls were just the Doctor giving her her moment. Because he was fond of her at that point, and later much more than fond. I understand his reaction completely.
Always good to have a Clara theory running about, making her turn into Jenny at some point would have been interesting. Some have said she could have eventually become a Timelord herself, but since Gallifrey has been destroyed again by the Master doubt that will ever happen. Heard the one about the Timelords becoming Weeping Angels, that would be perverse but cool. Again, trying to explain more of the Angels backstory might put some fans off but it wouldn't surprise if something like that did happen to the Timelords, it would make them become even more villainous in the end than what they are now. The Master as the Timeless Child works better that way too. It explains his rage and wanting to destroy Gallifrey for what they did to him as opposed to him finding out it was the Doctor. Don't think we'll get any expansion or mention of that in the future either though with Davies now taking the helm, it'll just be ignored.
Another Clara theory is that one of her splinters, after helping The Doctor, went to the US and distracted Bucky at a crucial moment that allowed Steve Rogers to meet Erskine and get into the army. Watch the scene at the World's Fair and you will see her.
An additional piece of evidence supporting the Clara is Jenny theory is that the chair Jenny sits in when she takes off at the end of "The Doctor's Daughter" is exactly the same chair Clara sits in in "Assylum of the Daleks". It's unmistakable.
Both the doctor and the master should have been the timeless children and it should've been revealed in the series 12 finale that they came through that portal together. I also theorized that that child that accidently killed the first timeless child in the flashbacks was the master.
Except that happened at the beginning of Time Lord civilisation, where as the Doctor and the Master currently have a billion years Time Lord history between that event and themselves.
Na only the doc as the timeless child is enough, that means the master can eventually die but doc can't, doc will always protect earth, unless the forced regen has made the master immortal also XD
@@shaanysully9908 Neither the Doctor nor the Master are immortal. They only have twelve regenerations per cycle, with no new cycles forthcoming. Yet, the Master has survived being half dead, and even death itself, multiple times.
@@garygcrook wrong if u watched the latest season it is revealed the doc is the timeless child and has bad many cycles hidden from him/her, the timelords all used his/her dna to get these regenerations, the doc may be immortal as far as we know
@@shaanysully9908 I carefully watched the last two seasons of DW, even re-watching certain scenes to confirm what I'm about to say. There is no actual proof that the Doctor is the Timeless Child. The Master spent ages in the Matrix of Time proving to the Doctor that the Timeless Child existed yet when it came to that child being the Doctor, the Master who is a known lying, manipulative dick just gave his word for it. No proof. And after he leaves, we get to see the Fugitive Doctor. Many misremembered this and just assumed she was part of the Timeless Child sequence. Tecteun spent ages acting like an unhinged psycho mother in The Flux, both praising the Doctor for being clever then berating them as poison to the universe because she gave people hope and the will to stand against injustice. Yet not once did she say how she had proof the Doctor was her adopted child, because the Doctor grew up as Hartnell's First Doctor a billion years after the Timeless Child was in the Division. Just she acted and talked like she assumed it. And the Doctor is not immortal. They only have a new sequence of 12 Regenerations. Even if they had more, that still wouldn't make them immortal as they can still drown and not regenerate, die from certain diseases and not regenerate, fail a regeneration, refuse a regeneration, or even be killed mid-regeneration, as has been clearly shown with previous Doctors.
You missed one that also is better than what we got with the Timeless Child. There was a theory that the Fugitive Doctor, played by Jo Martain was actually an incarnation of the Doctor between Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee. This is the only point in the series where we don't actually see the regeneration happen on screen. The regeration was also referenced when the Master forced a regeration on the Doctor in Power of the Doctor. And placing Jo Martain there would make a lot more sense then there being Pre-Hertnel Doctors.
i feel a better theory for the reason that the reapers have not appeared again, is cause during the rose ep she not only saved her dad altering a fixed point,but they also crossed paths with their past selves
Wow that was an old post. I have a new theory on regenerations. They're only explosive when The Doctor holds them in. 9 just regenerated into 10 as soon as he could. Rose was there and nothing happened to her or the TARDIS. The metacrisis regeneration was also immediate and several onlookers were fine. 10 held in his regeneration to say goodbye to everyone and then exploded himself and the TARDIS. 11 was waiting to regenerate and did so as soon as he could, leaving Clara and the TARDIS in tact. 12 held it in for a whole episode and did a lot of damage to the TARDIS when he finally did regenerate. 13 also held it in, but she was smart enough to go outside this time so the TARDIS wasn't damaged.
One potential future flaw with the whole "Eye of Harmony means timecards meet in order..." It's never actually said that Sacha's master comes AFTER Missy. It's assumed and there are some off the cuff comments about it being "presumably" true but it's not a fact as far as I am aware. Given that Missy spends most of her incarnation trying to be friends with the Doctor it's arguably more plausible that she is the last incarnation because Sacha's level of hatred for the doctor is much closer to John Simm's version of The Master than it is to Missy...
Personally I think Sacha's version of the master comes after John simms. I think that after he was sent back to gallifrey with the rest of the time lords during the end of time, he was granted new regenerations and that's when he discovered the truth about the doctor being the timeless child. Which made him go a bit more bonkers than he already was! I think missy comes after Sacha's master. 😊
@@hollymatton474 I agree after John Simms but before Michelle Gomez. Which would mean that the fan theory that says The Eye Of Harmony is why time lords meet in the right order would be wrong because that would mean they'd met in the wrong order. :)
There's plenty of space for Sacha's master. The Master got a new regeneration cycle in The Deadly Assassin, and The Five Doctors (and whatever the resurrection in The End of Time was) - that makes at least 36 regenerations, and we've only seen 7 different versions. Despite the assertions that the Doctor only encounters Time Lords in chronological order, there isn't anything to stop Sacha's Master being anywhere from the timeline.
I also think that Missy is the very last Master. and the Sascha Master comes before her. Why She never mentions the Timeless Child? Is often suggested that somehow she got a memory wipe somehow since she can't be remembering when she regenerated and has problems in remembering her past in the cybermens colony ship...
10. This could very well be true. 9. Don't like this one that much. 'Clara is really someone else' theories would just throw away her character. I admit I had my own during Season 8 that Clara was Susan, given that Missy (the Master) had apparently led her to the Doctor, Clara somehow survived going inside the Doctor's timestream, and whenever she was asked about the woman in the shop she always irritatingly responded with the exact same 7 words as if she were brainwashed, or perhaps Chameleon-Arched. Maybe Missy had led Susan out of the Time War to use her as leverage against the Doctor. But I let that go, and it's honestly a really bad theory. Not the smallest problem being Clara kissed the Doctor in the Snowmen. You'd get the same problem with this Jenny theory here. 8. So? 7. Yeah, they probably should have been there in the Wedding of River Song. 6. That's just a plothole that you have to accept with Doctor Who, because it doesn't just apply to Time Lords. It also happens with Jack Harkness, Daleks, Cybermen, Davros, Zygons, all the rest of the aliens in Pandorica Opens at least, various elements of the myth arc (Season 2 kept running into Torchwood, Season 4 kept referencing planets being lost no matter where in time, Season 8 kept referencing the Promised Land at different points in time), even the visits with New Earth happen in chronological order. You just have to forget about it, it's how Doctor Who rolls. 5. Ehh... the Master being the Timeless Child is a slight improvement, but getting rid of the Timeless Child altogether would be MUCH better. Also, the Master doesn't keep on coming back with new bodies because he keeps on regenerating, it's because he ran out of regenerations and is clever enough to keep finding ways to steal a new body. That's what happened with Tremas and Eric Roberts, then he was finally given a new cycle for the Time War, and after Missy was killed, the Master went back to stealing O's body, then the Doctor's. So, the Master's long-running story is not about infinite regenerations, it's the very opposite. I guess if he were the Timeless Child it would be a very cruel irony for him that the one was supposed to live forever is the one who has to fight the hardest to keep on living because the Time Lords took that away from him. Still, the Timeless Child not only throws off everything we know about the Doctor, it retcons Gallifreyan history. Even after Flux there are a few ways I think to more fully erase the Timeless Child, and I would not settle for just swapping it to the Master. 4. That could be true too. 3. I don't go for this one. I think the much more obvious and visible explanation is that the longer a Time Lord holds in a regeneration, the more violent it is. 10 and 12 were the ones resisting for so long, and they are the only ones so far who have blown up the TARDIS as a result. 11 you could argue was breaking in a new cycle, but the regeneration itself was quick and harmless. The theory that later ones regenerate more explosively doesn't match up with so many other regenerations. Ten's regeneration that resulted in the Meta-Crisis Doctor wasn't violent and he let it happen just moments after it started. The Master was given a new cycle, so was around his 15th regeneration when Professor Yana became Harold Saxon, and his didn't blow up the TARDIS. If having a new cycle starts over the buildup, then that doesn't explain 11's and 12's having so much energy. Also, the General in Hell Bent was on his 10th, and it wasn't violent either. What do all of these non-violent regenerations have in common, those Time Lords weren't resisting for that long. 2. The Peter Cushing movies do exist as movies within the show. We saw this in the Black Archive during the 50th Anniversary. I think having that there as an inside joke is much funnier and certainly less complicated than dragging a human or the Meta-Crisis Doctor back into things. 1. Now this one I actually like and wish they'd make it come true. That's not what happens to a Time Lord when they die, that wouldn't make any sense, but you could very easily craft a backstory to make them fit together with another Time Lord experimenting or the like.
Don't we hear the Silence say "Silence will fall" when the TARDIS blows up? I'm sure I remember that. Which does imply that one of them was inside the TARDIS and manipulating River.
The reapers don't appear because Gallifrey kept them at bay. In the "Father's Day" episode, the Time Lords were outside reality and couldn't do anything about the reapers.
My theory with the more bombastic regenerations in the modern era has to do with the way the 8th Doctor regenerated. With the help of the Sisterhood of Karn. Considering the Doctor was dead and had been temporarily revived by them his body was already in a bad state. Add on top of that their method of forcing a regeneration (even if it's a guided one), this could explain why the regenerations are more dramatic for the Doctor now.
Aye, we’re aware! Discussed this in a video last year (10 Things Everyone Always Gets Wrong About Doctor Who). The point in this video is that Moffat COULD have said it was regeneration if he wanted to do the “Jenny is Clara” theory
@@kickdumbos I'm not disputing whatever her abilities "might" be. I'm simply referring to the theory that she died & regenerated in that episode. Yes, she may have died from the gunshot wound. However, she did not regenerate, it was the Source that revived her, not regeneration.
1:43 if Clara WAS Jenny, another TimeLord then it would make sense that Clara was always trying to pretend to be The Doctor or take charge. 🤔🤔🤔 Haven’t finished watching yet but I hope you mention the theory where Rory is the Master. I cant remember where I heard that and I needed a reminder cuz it’s so funny to think of him that way.
My own pet fan theory. The Doctor is able to steer the TARDIS successfully some time after the Daleks Masterplan. It could be argued he deliberately piloted the ship into the future of THE ARK to check on the welfare of his favourite race - humans. He successfully returns a companion (Dodo) back to her own time, which he was never able to do before. The first regeneration shakes him up a bit but he recovers the knack in order to return Ben and Polly to 1966 (on the date they left - hows that for accuracy). Afterwards, he gives the impression of settling outstanding loose ends - travelling to Telos to ensure the Cybermen aren't resurrected, returning the Holy Ghanta to Det-Sen, a return trip to Dulkis. For the most part, he's quite happy to aimlessly wander as he doesn't have companions in a hurry to return home. Remember when Jamie says the Doctor can't control the TARDIS in WAR GAMES, only for the War Lord to say "Don't talk rubbish. Of course he can steer it!" The Doctor's pleas he can't navigate it are a stalling tactic.
Hate to bust all of your balls, I am pretty certain that Jenny was revived due to the "Source" (the energy that leaves her mouth looks awfully a lot like the energy from the source)
I have the theory that Jenny is one of Clara's incarnations when Clara was split into the Doctor's timeline. Like all the divergent Claras we met, Jenny died in her first appearance. (Yes The Source brought her back but she STILL died)
That’s my new head cannon now, that the Master is really the Timeless Child and was lying to the Doctor. I might finally get a good nights sleep, thank you.
Perhaps the Reapers issue has to do with what kind of paradox it is. Not all paradoxes are the same. For example, the Bootstrap Parodox is complicated because it causes a causality loop (a form of an infinite regress). Simply put, "X exists because X exists". Personally, I think an infinite regress causality loop is complicated, but not impossible. In Father's Day, the paradox in question actually had nothing to do with saving her father. That resulted in a Grandfather Paradox, meaning that there were two simultaneous paradoxes. And it could be the fact that there were two simultaneous paradoxes at once. The second paradox was a second Grandfather Parodox, where Rose and the Doctor witnessed Rose save her father when the Rose that saved her father never witnessed that event. In fact, that paradox was never dealt with, since the version or Rose that continued to exist shouldn't be exist. I think it was partially alieviated when the Doctor sacrificed himself in order to stop the Reapers. He likely returned not because those who were taken were brought back (which is likely what did happen), it's he's the version of the Doctor that was erased from existence because of the paradox. This also may have been possible because of what he was planning to do with the Tardis. In fact, he was probably going to sacrifice himself from the beginning. By erasing himself, the version that was previously erased was able to come back. And thanks to wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, he knew what happened to the Doctor that sacrificed himself. This could also explain why Rose can't stay in that reality after she had to go to the alternate reality. It's not just because of the Tardis having trouble, It's because Rose was still a paradox in the universe. She is a scar left after a paradox had healed. The Master is the Timeless Child... Did you come across one of my theories, or am I not the only one who thinks this? Though personally, I think that both the Doctor AND the Master are the Timeless Child. This is because of the episode name being The Timeless Children (plural). I mean... I get that that can be interpreted as regeneration. But my idea also works. That could also better explain Ruth. Despite identifying as The Doctor, she is a bit more (if you'll pardon the pun) ruthless. It can also explain why the Doctor and the Master coexist as counterparts.
As far as the Reapers go I see everyone only address the fact that Rose saved Pete as being the cause of the paradox, but no one takes into account that not only did she save him, but was also observed doing so by her also time traveling past self (with 9). Had Rose saved Pete the first time round, yeah it would create a paradox, however not nearly as strong of one, and possibly something the Doctor could have smoothed over with Timelord magic resulting in no Reapers appearing. Other paradoxes can be lampshaded away by saying he did smooth them over with Timelord magic, and based on series traditions Time Lords themselves seem immune to the paradox of meeting your past self and interacting with your own timeline.
Timeless child if they continue… After the tardis dropped 13 falling to earth the tardis finds her way to gallifrey just as Ruth runs away from division, stealing the ship and hides on earth. Once Ruth meets 13 and remembers her identity, puzzled with the existence of 13 the tardis keeps Ruth away from events, meaning 13 onwards is mistaken as the timeless child version. The doctor over time loses their memory, eventually trapped on a planet without the tardis, regenerates into a child as planned by Rasoloin to restore time lord supremacy by rewriting timelord origin by using the doctors dna after granting 11 unknown amount of regeneration. Ruth learns of her past lives from 1-current, meets what would be her parents in the rewritten universe (bel and Vindor) Works with multi doctors to undo divisions work, ending their own life, giving the fob watch to bel and Vindor to continue the Doctors legacy in a new body (their kid) with a new set of 12 regenerations. Rasiloin disguised as The grand serpent headed to earth after 12 kicked him off gallifrey, the flux led the Grand Serpent to find primitive Gallifrey via the doorway. (Bootstrap paradox, as he caused the flux in his future) The master being alive is due to the rewritten universe, the Doctor being unaware of Missy and the masters suicide prior. Within the rewritten universe the master grew up Alongside the timeless child version, haven not met Ruth due to her using the comedian arch following her final mission on Atropos. When the master found 13 he mistakes her as his doctor as the tardis 13 found on ghost monument comes after Ruth’s adventures, much older and broken, which leaves the doctor stranded to become the timeless child. The tardis takes both versions of the Doctor where they need to be, Ruth recruits Jack after meeting 13, to warn her past self of the lone cyberman etc. Atropos was designed to sustain both versions of the doctor's life to allow time to be rewritten.
The Peter Cushing Doctor has a much easier explanation: He's The Doctor of an alternate reality. We already know that "our" Doctor is aware of another universe because he visited there: E-Space. (You know, the "parallel" universe from which Adric originated.) So why is it so inconceivable that the Cushing Doctor might just be The Doctor from yet another parallel, alternate reality? Consider this: Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, there was a popular soap opera "Dark Shadows" that originally began as a basic Gothic-style soap opera and, in its second season, became the supernatural-driven, vampire-fronted horror soap we now remember. BUT, while the show was still on the air, creator Dan Curtis decided to "revamp" the series for a theatrical film, "House of Dark Shadows" which condensed much of the Barnabas Collins story into a single two-hour-ish feature film (a sort of sequel, "Night of Dark Shadows," was released after the series went off the air and sort of combined other elements of the show, especially the "parallel time" episodes where "alternate" versions of the main cast lived out different lives; Jonathan Frid, who played Barnabas, refused to appear in the originally planned sequel, "Curse of Dark Shadows," for fear of being typecast even though "House" ended with Barnabas presumably surviving his apparent demise). Cushing's Doctor doesn't necessarily need to be woven into "mainstream" continuity. Let him stand as the only Doctor from that unnamed parallel/alternate reality. He's the Doctor from the "Cushingverse."
I love the sound of those Peter Cushing ideas, but personally I prefer Peter Cushing's own theory. Sometime after the 2nd Dalek movie had come out, Peter ended up watching the Celestial Toymaker and after Hartnell regenerated, he liked the idea that his Dr.Who was a future incarnation who had his mind wiped and physiognomy changed by the Toymaker and forced to relive his past adventures
I prefer the in-universe answer that comes from the other media of DW, that Peter Cushing was a friend of Hartnell's Doctor and made the films while the First Doctor acted as advisor.
Peter can finally be Canon since the doctor is immortal and has had countless lives that have been hidden, Peter was 1 of them hidden Ives, there's ur answer for that version
Did you notice Bernard Cribbins standing in the background at the 9 minute mark? Maybe they could weave in a story about Wilfred Mott being an agent of Torchwood as well.
It made much more sense that the Master would be the true timeless child rather than the Doctor. The constant forced generations from all the testing could have created a schism in their mind which is why they are so insane compared to the Doctor and other Time Lords. It would also make sense why Rassilon put the drumming in the Master's head instead of the Doctor's as he knew the Master could never truly die as he was the timeless child. The Master has also already had way more regenerations by the time the timeless child storyline had come around, somewhere around 18-20 regenerations. If the Doctor was the timeless child then why would Clara have to ask the Time Lords to give him more regenerations in “The Time of the Doctor”? If they didn’t give him the regenerations, then he would have died on Trenzalore and the Tardis would be his tomb as shown in “The Name of the Doctor”. The Master trying to make the Doctor believe they were the timeless child could have been presented as a ploy, thinking that showing how the Time Lords used and abused the Doctor that she would become angry or hateful towards the Time Lords and join the Master. Unfortunately Flux happened and Chibnal used Tecteun to enforce that the Doctor is the timeless child.
With clara being jenny, Personally I don't think that's the case, clara in all her forms has looked the same, even the same name. And I don't think calling out the rani as being someone the doctor has met is fair, as that was before the time war.
I'm so glad to see I wasn't the only one saying that the master was the timeless child, I also think he killed the timelords to keep them from telling the doctor the truth, after telling the doctor she was the timeless child, my other theory was the new female doctor who appeared in the timeless child episodes is either a future regeneration of the doctor or a past regeneration of the master working to undo her future evil.
@4:14 Actually if you've taken Temporal Mechanics 101 as viewable via The Time Traveler's Companion (A book written for The Doctor Who Roleplaying Game and something I highly recommend for anyone interested in playing a Time Lord or simply interested in explanations of Temporal Phenomenon) it clearly explains this phenomenon which are called _Time Spurs._ _"A Time Spur develops when a paradox occurs that is highly localised in nature and relatively long term in effect, as would be the case with preventing the death of a relatively unremarkable man who, none-the-less, shares a major Causal Nexus with the person saving them. The Spur contains the paradox and prevents further intrusion until it can either be resolved (by clearing up the paradox) or slowly degraded away by the natural forces of the universe (i.e. Reapers)._ _Time Spurs are a natural reaction of the universe to minor containable paradoxes in much the same way that a pimple is a reaction to a specific clogged pore. As the area becomes inflamed, the body’s natural defences work to clean the area of all infection, which should eventually be eliminated. In the case of a Time Spur, the infection is the people in the localised area and the anti-bodies are Reapers._ _The Time Spur cuts off the offending area, creating a thin skin that separates it from the rest of time, space and other dimensions, including the pocket dimension of the TARDIS. In the Vortex, this takes the form of a hardened extrusion that creates unexpected turbulence (see Time Eddies on pg.60) around it and which is largely impenetrable from the outside. As the Spur is ‘cleaned,’ it will slowly decrease in size until the regular flow of time is restored, but with a few minor changes in the current. Alternately, the paradox might be resolved, at which point the Spur immediately ‘pops’ and time regains its normal flow, but typically with a mild surface scar which permanently raises the RTD (see Relative Temporal Disturbance under The Blinovitch Limitation Effect section of pg.51) level in that area._ So effectively a Time Spur and the resulting Reapers are caused whenever a Paradox is created that significantly effects the personal timeline of someone linked to a major Temporal Nexus Point (AKA a Fixed Point in Time). In the episode in question we see a number of paradoxes and temporal disturbances which cause multiple "infected" wounds in a highly localised and focused area of Space-Time and revolving around a woman who would go on to do something unseen in all of Time Lord history. Because without Rose's dad dying her timeline would have likely never intersected with the Doctor which means her and The Doctor would never have been there in the first place to save her dad (Paradox #1), she would have never become Bad Wolf (Paradox #2), Jack Harkness would have never become Immortal (Paradox #3), he would have never helped Thirteen escape prison (#4), which would have meant she never stopped The Flux (#5), and so on and so on. Time isn't a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey whimey stuff. It's a mad house of playing cards where some cards are super glued into place, some are made of tungsten-alloys, and others, if nudged the wrong way, could bring the whole damned thing tumbling over.
Random thought here. since Jenny is the Doctor's clone wouldn't she be indirectly another "timeless child" since the doctor is. Who knows, maybe she is actually the one that was tested on and use for the timelord templet. And now that I think about it, I know that in the old shows the doctor had a grandchild (and obviously as result a child(ren)) how would their DNA differ from regular Timelords and would they need the gene slicing for regenerations to occur?
since the timeless child is of its own species then jenny would also be a timeless child. though im not sure if she would count as a clone because of how she was made, she was made more like a real child where the doctors dna was used to make 2 different gametes which were then grown as normal but incredibly sped up, while a clone is grown without the fusion of 2 different gametes and would probably look identical to that incarnation of the doctor with jenny having been the one tested on, i doubt it mostly because we know the timeless child was found as a child and jenny is at least physically not a child, even assuming she regenerated it would be a pretty out of place to have a character regenerate all the way back to a child just to fall through a time portal and ending up being found by the Gallifreyans/shobogans. on the gene splicing point it depends on how you believe the doctor got the ability to regenerate the most obvious is if its just part of the doctors species then the doctors children would also have the same inborn abilities. there is also the possibility that it is not inborn into the doctors species but was gained by the doctor going through the wormhole they were initially found under, or even events leading up to that, in which case the doctors children would still be of the same species but perhaps without the same abilities
@@variant6478 didn’t expect so much thought but his children would still be half Galiffray so I don’t think they would get all the abilities or they would but they wouldn’t be as strong or altogether different.
@@variant6478 and with the whole Jenny not being able to turn into a child, They don’t really explain if the Doctor’s memories of childhood are real or implemented into his mind, because he would have either had to have turned into a child and relived the whole childhood again or the memories would have been inserted into his mind. They never really explained that unless I missed something in the second/third session.
And with the regeneration theory what if the reason time lords have a limited amount of regenerations (other than to not be super over powered) is because after their final regeneration the amount of regeneration energy released is too much for a time lords body to handle which is why they don’t infinitely regenerate
Chibnall seem to have intentionally written that entire plot so that it is a possibility, as he has gone on record saying he left it wide open for future Showrunners to decide.
the weeping angles could be the ultimate punishment a time lord is sentenced. Removed from time only to move when not being observed reduced to feed off of time energy to live.
With the reapers, I thought that only happened because she saved her father and crossed her own time stream and then held herself as a baby which then only worsened the effects. These events never happened again and so that's why we've not seen the reapers.
My theory about Jenny has always been that Jenny is Jenny. As in the Doctor's daughter Jenny is the first incarnation of the woman who helps out in a Good Man Goes To War. Frankly they are more alike than most Doctor regenerations....
Wasn't Gallifrey and the Tardis's being in sync actually specifically stated in old Who? If I recall, part of the reason older incarnations of the Doctor could be on Gallifrey at the same time was use of the Scoop- which was able to bypass this restriction, but was unreliable hence Dr1 being stuck in a comms system and Dr4 not being able to be picked up at all. Anyway, for a fan theory... The Wire was actually a renegade Time Lord in hiding. All renegade TLs have a name in the form of 'The' (Doctor, Master, Rani, Meddling Monk, Corsair, etc), and Wire also has this. The Wire had specific knowledge of where to project herself in time and space to be able to gain enough energy to potentially restore herself- indicating the sort of knowledge and abilities Time Lords possess. She says she was executed by 'her people', which expansion stories have stated to be the Hermethicans. However, she could have gone there post execution in Gallifrey in the same way she escaped Hermethica to go to Earth- meaning she has already consumed energy to regenerate her physical form at least once prior to meeting Dr10.
On the 'The Doctor always meets Time Lords in the correct order' point, I have a theory that Missy is actually chronologically after the Spy Master, since the Saxon Master killed Missy so she couldn't regenerate. This would make sense of the whole reversal of the 'good Missy' development, explain why all that time in the vault was never mentioned, and prevent the whole 'Missy can't regenerate' retcon
Obviously, you've not done your research: 9. Jenny's survival in The Doctor's Daughter was due to the Source that terraformed Messaline, and she has appeared in offscreen stories (including a comic where she met the Twelfth Doctor). Besides, we've seen Clara as a child. 6. There have been some offscreen stories where the Doctor and the Master have met each other out of order (the Seventh Doctor once encountered an audio incarnation of the Master before Roger Delgado that was played by James Dreyfus - A.K.A. John Harrison in the final The Sarah Jane Adventures story The Man Who Never Was - and had encountered the First and Second Doctors, while the Tenth Doctor encountered the War Master). The Sixth Doctor and Peri also met an incarnation of the Rani following the one they encountered in The Mark of the Rani and whom the Seventh Doctor and Mel would face off against in Time and the Rani. 5. I've heard people say that the Timeless Child should've been revealed to be Rassilon; he was immortal and was involved in the Time Lords' society being created - both just like the Timeless Child. Besides, the Master has been very close to death and even ran out of regenerations, both of which wouldn't have happened if he was the Timeless Child. 4. Cushing himself once stated that he believed his portrayal of the Doctor was a future incarnation who had been kidnapped by the Celestial Toymaker (who ironically is thought to be slated to soon appear) and forced to live through previous stories of his. However, Twice Upon a Time's novelisation has canonised the films as being some that the First Doctor's companions Ian and Barbara had sold off. Also, I always thought that the Doctor's explosive regenerations were due to how he was holding them back and the energy was building up in them. Nothing damaging happened during when the Ninth Doctor regenerated into the Tenth, or when the Eleventh changed into the Twelfth. Meanwhile, the Ten and Twelfth Doctor's regenerations (the latter of which was the first during the Doctor's second regeneration cycle) were explosive because they were holding them back when the Tenth Doctor said goodbye to his friends and during the Twelfth Doctor's fight against the Cybermen. And I think it has been confirmed that the Weeping Angels aren't deceased Time Lords. (I actually doubted the theory in the first place as the Weeping Angels are said to be as old as the universe, but I don't think the same could be said for the Time Lords.)
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Doctor only the last of the Time Lords since the War Doctor killed them all? Bit of a weird thing saying he's meant to be the last and then naming a bunch he meets way before the Time War.
I got one Doctor Who theorie, don't know if it's even good, because I came up this one myself, but hear me out : Doctor Von Brown, from Back To the Future, is actually a Doctor, an unseen version of them. A Doctor that maybe was banished, and convert into a human using the conversion device we saw once upon a time in the TARDIS, used by 10. And he was placed on Earth, during the 50's, with implanted memories. But here's the thing : he became obsessed with time travel, and stumble upon the idea of the time convector. Later on, we see him having a companion, Mac Fly. Seems to be logical from a Doctor point of view, like an unconscious thing for him to have a companion. And then of course, he's succeding in doing time travel, and the events of Back To The Future are unfolding. In the end, after the events of the third movie, he get to have a life with his wife and their children, aboard his time traveling train. Decades pass, Von Brown don't age that much, he witness the death of his wife, and his kids, and one day, stumble upon some clues concerning his identity (because he don't know why he's aging so slowly, I don't know, maybe the rejuvinating effects he got in 2015 had some weird effects on him, or just the Time Lord into human conversion was not 100% complete), investigate, find a mysterious pocket watch calling him, and all of his memories got to him. The Doctor is back. This Doctor/Von Brown could work, but where in the timeline could it be ? Just after the Division ? Or a very late Doctor, way after 14th ? In any case, I find this theory kind of nice, tell me what you think :)
I think it was one of the multi doctor episodes the one with one of the leaders of the timelords wanting to be immortal his immortality was give to him as a stone bust. If you take that immortality tech a little further you could make the angels.
President Fuldanquin Borusa (previously held ranks include: Chancellor of Gallifrey, Cardinal of the Prydonian Chapter) - his use of the Time Scoop to revive the Game of Rassilon and herd myriad incarnations of the Doctor earned him Immortality as an ornament on the Tomb of Rassilon.
I like the idea of the TARDIS being synced with Gallifrey - even if that's a rather problematic theory considering how often the TARDIS seems to cross into its own time stream.
As to the Timeless Child ... the first rule: The Doctor lies. Well, we all know that this is the Master's first, second and third rules ... The Master lies ... even when he doesn't need to do so. So, the Master as the tortured Timeless Child makes way more sense. Although the Doctor as the first successful "new" Time Lord ... thus, not limited the way we've always been told. (Because the Fugitive Doctor needs to remain canon ... please?)
I do really like the theory of the Master being the Timeless Child, and I think he conned the 13th Doctor into thinking she was just so she could dig more on the TC for him. Plus there's that entire subplot of him not wanting to be himself in The Power of the Doctor. Yet in this theory the Doctor cannot be the first of the new Time Lords. This is because the Doctor grew up about a billion years after Time Lord civilisation was founded.
@@garygcrook We still need to figure out how to fit the Fugitive Doctor into things The Master over a billion years old ... no wonder he's so squirrely. Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.
For *Theory #6* , I had in mind that why the Doctor keeps coming to Gallifrey in chronological order was that Gallifrey was a planet existing in the universe but outside of Time, it keeps existing and evolving but no one can go back earlier in Gallifrey's timeline compared to the rest of the universe, so when the Doctor comes back to Gallifrey, he comes back to his Present, he lives synched to Gallifrey, if he left when he was 500 yo for example and came back when he was 600, a hundred years had passed in Time Lord history too, I guess it's a bit the same as the TARDIS being synched with Gallifrey but it would be the other way around ^^ I have a personal Doctor Who Theory that I haven't seen anywhere on the Internet, any idea on which Reddit page I could share it? It's not such a huge and well thought out theory, and I don't see myself revisiting every Doctor Who piece of media to make it as solid as adamantium, but it's something I had in mind for a few years now ^^
The master being a timeless child would've made more sense considering they then decimated Gallifrey. And matt smiths entire finale would've made sense as he now in cannon he didn't need those regeneration cycles. Unless time lords figured a way of reducing the doctors regeneration so they could die at some point but that would be a theory now.
the cushing films actually exist in universe per the novelisation of the day of the doctor, they werent able to secure rights for the posters for the black archive
I haven't finished the video but I wanted to mention the reapers. It's possible I'm remembering incorrectly, but it's not just paradoxes that cause the reapers to appear. They appear in fathers day because time has already been weakened due to rose being at the same place at the same time, and then the paradox happens which messes with time even more, and it's both of those things combined that cause the reapers to appear. Also if I'm remembering correctly, the doctor mentions something about time lords previously having kept the reapers at bay before the destruction of the time lords in the time war, so it's possible that after the experience of fathers day, the doctor replaces the things keeping them at bay off screen
It's been a while since I read it, so I could be getting some stuff wrong, but if I remember correctly, there was a poster for a Cushing Doctor movie in the black site during the 50th anniversary special and either a theory or scrapped idea stated that the Cushing movies were made by Torchwood as a way to make the public aware of the Doctor's adventures so they wouldn't be as scared when things happen irl.
In the book adaptation of The day of the doctor, the Peter Crushing movies are movies in the doctor who world. Peter Crushing and the doctor were friends. The doctor even lent him the waist coat he wears in the second movie. Unit also has to keep covering up Peters appearances in movies after his death. All of this is revealed during the Zygon negotiations.
the reapers are there because there are 2 versions of the SAME person in the same place. Two Roses interfering with time, the reapers entered the church when adult Rose touched baby Rose. This happened in classic who as well, but they found a way to cancel it out (go check out Mawdryn Undead- 5th doctor)
My theory is that The Master was one of the first Timelord subject to implant them with timeless Child's regenerations power (by First Tecteun )and he went power mad with their "Immortality". And The Untempered Schism is use on Timelords to remove their memories of their past regenerations (It might not work after X number of regenerations and might go crazy), if they have survived to reach their 14th regenerations or found out the secret history that the Founders of Gallifrey (do not want the public to found out). The Fugitive Doctor might been running from the timelords for a reason like that they are the Timeless Child.
In the end of time it was said "hide your face like the weeping angels of old" as they were the two timelords that voted against the plan. So more likely the weeping angels are an ancient race wiped out but survived by using time energy. Chris chibnall kinda took piss having them as agents of an order that the doctor was apart of and left but never was mentioned at all ever before that, like the doctor whoukd have some how forgot that small detail when ever facing them or when amy and Rory were in danger of death
There's also the theory that the Doctor's regeneration isn't so violent when a companion is present. All the classic Who Doctors (except for 2-->3 off screen***) had companions with them for each regeneration. 9-->10 The regeneration explosion isn't strong/forceful enough to injure or kill Rose. 11-->12 the regeneration has no explosion at all. It was instantaneous. Plus 13 broke the record in New Who being the first Doctor to regenerate outside the TARDIS and being an odd numbered Doctor without a companion to witness the regeneration. *** I'm well aware of Devious from 1995
Something that adds to the Weeping Angels being Timelords is we saw one pilot the tardis brilliantly in Flux. It got the Doctor exactly where it wanted her. Personally though I like to think Weeping Angels have no definitive beginning. If the Doctor was to try and find one they’d find conflicting origins that make no sense. This to me explains why every time we’ve seen them they seem to display different powers.
As far as I know, this one ORIGINATES with ME, (no, not Ashildr). My own theory with the increase in violent regenerations in the modern era, can be traced back to The Sisterhood of Karn helping the "already dead" 8th Doctor regenerate. It is, after all, retroactively, the first time we see the glowing, sparkling release of Artron energy...IN THE SAME INCARNATION of the Doctor. 7 into 8 was nowhere as violent in the SF morgue...
You know, I really don't get why people think that everything about the Doctor being the Timeless Child breaks canon, because frankly more than a few of those things were already broken long before Chris Chibnall put pen to paper. The Doctor had incarnations before "the First Doctor"? Yeah that came up in The Brains of Morbius. The Doctor played a key role in the founding of Time Lord society? Yeah, that was first proposed in the late 1980s by Andrew Cartmel and Ben Aaronovitch. In terms of new stuff, really the only thing Chris Chibnall added is that the Doctor was the genetic template for the Time Lords and even that has a bit of a call-back to Marc Platt's novel Lungbarrow. Honestly, I was more annoyed by the fact that Chibnall decided to have the Master destroy Gallifrey so soon after it was brough back. I know heaps of people disagree with me, and that's fine, but I actually really like the fact that Chibnall decided to do something out there. Doctor Who is often at its best when it's doing things that are out there.
I like to think that the peter cushing doctor is a future metacrisis doctor. Highly prefer that to some random torchwood agent or an in universe movie.
The reapers one is actually explained. In the show the reapers on show up because there’s like a double paradox. Rose and the doctor are there twice because rose wants to try again to be with her dad when he dies. But then she runs out in front of herself changing her own past and also saves her dad who was meant to die. It’s explained that because the two copies of the doctor and rose were there it was a particularly vulnerable moment.
Just posted this on another Y.T. Vid - about the End of Time & the conversion of Humanity into the Doctor. Very basic, but has swirled in my mind ever since I watched the episode: I always wondered how Mott had the dreams & visions of him in his head if he never was changed in the future... Also finally I'll post it, but the change in the Master in later series (12's Missy Adventures) - I always wanted a tie-back to this moment. Where it was more than just a 1-way transfer... there were the archangel satellites (network) still in the sky & there was also just the collective human gathering of conceptualisation. Essentially it was this moment that seemed like just another Doctor-Master fight with Humanity/Earth caught in the crossfire Accounting, was actually something that again A/1) changed the Master & allowed them to become at least somewhat better in future after regeneration and/or B/2) changed humanity... The Doctor always wondered why/how, etc. humanity charged into the future with regards to space exploration... where all of the pieces seemed to the be there in Humanity where they were being used, but there was no uniformity. THIS COULD HAVE been seen as the event which brought everything together & maybe a little nod towards 'why' the Doctor seems to come back to this time in history? So much potential in this one event that has been untapped I'd argue!
The idea of Weeping Angels being related to Timelords is, on its face, incredibly cool! The fact that it was accompanied by clips from the recent series made it... suck! Did she really stand in the middle of a field of angels and peek-a-boo them? Is this something that happened? Do you realize how many fans just check out when we see trash like this, for good reason? Not only did that just further push Whitaker's Doctor into the trash heap (which is a shame), it really took the wind out of the sails of a really interesting fan theory about an absolutely awesome species.
If I remember correctly, this was after she was captured by the Angels and "turned into one of them". She was linked to them mentally but they all refused to interact with her.
I think the reapers appearance is completely misunderstood. It wasn't just the fact that created a paradox by saving her father. She made two in a split second. She went back to be there with her father when he died, only to duck out at the last minute. Then she asked if they could try again. This time, however, she saved him. This essentially took her timeline, tied a knot around the event, and cut it loose. The double break in the timeline, changing an event that you saw yourself not 5 minutes ago that triggered the reapers and even hollowed out the Tardis.
Yes! Doctor Who's daughter was a perfect opportunity for a spin off sadly missed. It would have been a much better way to explore having a female time lord imo
I thought there were a couple of references in Doctor Who, I think from a few Fourth Doctor serials that confirm the theory that there is something to insures that keeps things relative to Galifrey.
I may be wrong, but the 4th theory is actually true in Big Finish. There are *a lot* of episodes containing Gallifrey, and yep, that one thing is said.
Theory: David Tennant’s 14’th doctor, now uniquely split from the 15’th, took all of the Doctor’s negative traits with him, is unable to regenerate further, and will become the Valeyard. Tennant makes a convincing villain ;)
Moffat returns to Doctor Who and makes that Weeping Angel theory canon. What’s your reaction?
did he? i must have missed that Jeff
That’s fine, if the story is well told and makes sense.
@@12thMandalorian i think it’s meant to be a hypothetical.
guys he's just saying 'imagine'
@@nunbxtch Got that. Just saying that if it happens that the idea is surrounded by a good pacing, good characterization, and a compelling, logical story.
My problem with The Doctor being The Timeless Child was that it made them intrinsically special. I much preferred the idea that all that made The Doctor special among the Timelords was their willingness to act. I always interpreted this theme that anyone can be a hero if they are willing to step up and take action, which was often reinforced by the extraordinary actions of their rather ordinary companions.
"The Doctor is super special" has sadly been a theme of the show ever since Moffat took over. Seems like they simply ran with it even later on.
@@tarvoc746 the Doctor being super special dates back at least as far as the Seventh Doctor
@@tarvoc746 The doctor being super special has basically been a theme since the start. The issue with the timeless child I have, is that it turned "he's super special because of luck and smarts" into "he's super special because he was born that way".
Exactly, and what you describe is actually good writing.
What they did with The Timeless Child is simply Mary Sue; The Doctor is amazing because they were born to be that, rather than growing as a character and becoming something more. The concept of "Hero By Birth" is amateur garbage by today's standards, and similar bad tropes are appearing throughout high-end/Hollywood productions.
Making The Doctor the timeless child is the very definition of "Hero By Birth" and it would've been far better to not touch the concept with a million kilometer pole.
I'll always stick to the theory that the master is truly the timeless child and just tricked the doctor into believing he was it. I also believe if the doctor were related to the timeless child he'd be the person that discovered the master/timeless child
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Its one of those things where what we got can be reinterpritted as a lie by the master.
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From my perspective the show can say one thing but in the overall plot a head cannon fills the holes in better sometimes.
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Like maybe the master is after the doctor cause of the trauma they were put under by them and relearning that information made them spiteful so we got the current master.
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Then they force the doctor to experience what their lives were like and questioning who they are.
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The doctor being closet to the timeless child could imply they also have near infinite regenerations to some small degree but ultimately they just wanted to do good and the name doctor is a promise they made to the master to not let anyone suffer the way they did.
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Maybe the real name of the doctor is hidden because it reveals the past of the pain the inflicted on the timeless child.
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I think it adds more to the show even if it's not cannon but I hope one day maybe the concept is reworked.
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Just sharing my tidbit
One reason why the reapers don't appear could also be because other changes weren't as drastic as that one. Saving her father would have led to Rose not becoming a literal god across all of time and space, and if any event deserves the description "fixed point in time", it would be that.
Let's also not forget about the alternate timeline they visited and had encounters with. Where Rose's dad basically became the number one company google and facebook are trying to become in our reality. Not to mention the creation of the human cybermen. Looking at that alternate timeline, the difference was HUGE.
OK, but like, what about River not killing The Doctor?
i also think that rose's dad being saved wasn't even the reason the reapers appeared, it was the doctor and rose seeing themselves, which is quickly forgotten about in the episode after it happens
@@Roach1 didn't amy and Rory see themselves in the beginning of the hungry earth.
@@ConstantOwl not clearly enough to determine it was themselves, also by that point the tardis had exploded and reality was falling apart
I remember thinking that clara was somebody that rose had created during her time as the bad wolf. I had this theory that because rose used the power of bad wolf to keep the doctor safe, she might have used it to create somebody for the doctor's future who would be the perfect companion and would save him time and time again. 😊
Funny thing is, when I first saw the Bad Wolf episode, I thought the story was going in that direction; that Rose would be scattered across time and space, being written out of the story as a main character, and only reappearing as a guest star at key points in the Doctor's continued adventures. I was rather surprised that the Clara story turned out so similar to something I had myself imagined years before Clara was even introduced to the show.
On a separate note, I thought it was rather lame that both Rose and Clara were saved by the Doctor, as it made their "sacrifice" so much less impactful - and later episodes would have them sacrificed anyway, when they wrote them out of the story because the actors were ready to leave the show.
"The Master, after all, is a dick."
This line had me laughing for like a minute straight, I couldn't breathe. Not just the calm with which it was delivered, but also the surprise at seeing anyone in WhoCulture swear.
I really want to see a reappearance of Jenny. It would work really well this year as Tennant is the Doctor again
Tennant is not the doctor, Tennant is just a set of 3 special episodes, people need to stop acting like he's got a full season, we already know whose the next full season doctor also, tenant is only back cos of the forced regen and degen so his regen has fucked up for 3 episodes lol
@@shaanysully9908 he is still the doctor, just because it is only for a short period does not mean he is not the doctor... The war doctor is still the doctor and he had only one episode he was in essentially, does that mean he never existed?
Does it also mean that the second tenant doctor never existed after he poured the engery into his hand?
No for both, they are all still the doctor, it is just the case that a Timelord can regenerate into their own faces again occasionally.
@@shaanysully9908 he is the 15th doctor now my guy
Given that David and Georgia are married with five kids, it might feel weird for them to play father and daughter. I could see her coming back with a different Doctor though
Same but I think they could use the part where she could have regenerated a new face as a way to bring her back
My own fan theory? The First Doctor had a sonic screwdriver.
If you look at “An Unearthly Child,” the First Doctor appears carrying a penlight. And if you recall the War Games, the Second Doctor’s sonic looks like a penlight. Just because the First Doctor doesn’t use his penlight like a sonic, doesn’t mean it’s not a sonic.
This is backed up by the Virgin Missing Adventure _Venusian_ _Lullaby_ (1994):
'The (First) Doctor cracks the code for the launch sequence of a Sou(ou)shi shuttle using an "unknown sonic device".'
The simplest explanation for why the Doctor meets other characters in chronological order, or any convenient/co-incidental landing is explained in The Doctor's Wife:
The Doctor : You didn't always take me where I wanted to go.
Idris : No, but I always took you where you needed to go.
The Master as the Timeless Child is something I also suspected. Flux seems to have done away with that potential. The idea that the Doctor is more than we think, more than an ordinary Timelord is intriguing and something that Who has toyed with. The Chib era did a poor job at it.
Honestly, the doctor being an ordinary time lord would have made him more intriguing and more relatable, similar to jackson lake from the next doctor, an ordinary human who thought he was the doctor protecting London Town from the cyber men
Well they've seemed to have breathed new life into this theory with The Power of The Doctor and the whole 'the Master wanting not be himself anymore' subplot.
I like the idea that the timeless child is actually Susan, and The Doctor was someone who found out about it, and helped her escape from Gallifrey. In order to help hide her, they had their memories altered to believe The Doctor was her Grandfather, and he also placed a few false breadcrumbs to draw suspicion to him instead to further protect her.
Chib fucked a lot of things up but thank fuck the master wasn't the timeless child, the timeless child can't die and has infinite restrictions it seems, and if that was the master eventually there'd be no doctor to protect us against the masters schemes. The doc being the timeless child has made it perfect so the doctor will always be around to protect earth
@@shaanysully9908 Infinite Regenerations does not mean the Timeless Child can't die.
They can be killed without incurring regeneration, and can even be killed mid-regeneration. The show has illustrated this point, numerous times.
And that's before Tectuen restricted their regenerations to 12 before changing them and sending them a billion years into Gallifrey's future.
Rory was the Master under a chameleon arch. That was how Prisoner Zero - the Master in his morphant "snake" form per the telemovie - actually escaped, and this explains Rory's anachronistic 1990 badge. The real human Williams, never seen on screen, was an orderly in Grace Holloway's hospital in the 90s. All the multi-form stuff was just extra morphants. And this is how Rory can die and die again. And why River, the Master's daughter, is a Time Lady.
This is also the reason Eleven poked Rory in the head when they first met and said he has a "living but dormant mind". And, of course, the Master's Tardis, made invisible thanks to its working chameleon circuit, was parked on the duck pond - which is why there were no ducks there.
The whole point in the episode 'Amy's Choice' is the reason the Church of the Silence knew how to blow up the Tardis. Because the doctor, realising he's still in a dream, ends the episode by blowing up the Tardis.
I’ve been saying since the timeless child it would make so much more sense if it was the master , would explain why he’s crazy for one , also the doctor is just a mad man in a box he’s not the chosen one and we like that. I’m still hoping they eventually retcon all this timeless child stuff or at least make it make sense
Also would explain how the master came back after missy and the master killed each other.
Or just do a hard reboot.
@@LadyDoomsinger hard reboot of the whole show?
@@rileytipper5110 Sure, why not? If something's broken beyond repair, it's better to just start over. Like buying a new car, instead of trying to fix the one you totalled.
@@LadyDoomsinger nah I don’t agree with rebooting the whole show , why let one writer ruin a whole legacy? The shows about to get good again with RTD back and a promising new doctor with Ncuti Gatwa , no need to reboot it all
@@rileytipper5110 They don't *need* to reboot it. Maybe they can salvage it. I just think it would be the easier thing to do.
i saw a theory before about regenerations that said that the more intense they are is dependent on how much the doctor accepts the fact they died and are ready to move on, which explains why 10's regen was really powerful and exploded the tardis because he "didnt want to go" , and 11's was so fast because he was ready to
You know, I saw someone mention this in discussion of Classic Who - Romana was able to control the regeneration process when she chose to undergo it willingly, and... apparently the explanation for this was that she had "taken a class" once that *taught* her how to control her regeneration, down to picking the exact body.
This implies two things about regeneration as a process:
1.) It CAN be controlled if you know what you are doing, at least/ especially if you are actively choosing to do it
2.) You don't necessarily *know* how to control it, if you're relying on instinct alone. In fact, It's tricky enough to that a sophisticated Time Lady like Romana had to take a class to learn the technique(s) to do so, implying that it is of course *equally* if not *more* likely, that a given Time Lord *won't* know how to do this or could just mess up/ be flat out bad at it.
Considering that we get a lot of running jokes about how yes the Doctor is smart and capable but often not *quite* as smart and capable as they think they are, it would perfectly fitting and I think rather fun if all that were true, and it just so happens the Doctor is on average not good at controlling them. Especially since it's not exactly often the Doctor has a choice in the matter to begin with.
I posted this a while ago on the Reddit about the ruth incarnation. I think she is the last incarnation pre hartnall and here's my thinking.
She's worked out that she's been experimented on for years and try's to run and hide, she steals a tardis that breaks when she lands in earth and hides it - Harnall will go on to steel that same one later as he doesn't know why but he has an instinct to run.
Ruth ultimately gets captured and gets her mind wiped and reset back to a child, and the timelords believe there 'Experiment' has worked - but Ruth leaves an impression in the subconscious resulting in the doctor again assuming the name of doctor.
It would explain why she doesn't recognise the screwdriver, why the tardis was broken and where she fits in the timeline.
Anyway just a thought - happy to chat and looking forward to seeing more of Ruth I hope in the final episode
My favourite theory for the Fugitive Doctor is that she's the Season 6B Doctor.
That during the 2nd Doctor's trial at the end of The War Games he was pressed into service by the Celestial Intervention Agency/The Division, both then appearing in The Two Doctors and The Five Doctors during this time before regenerating into the Fugitive Doctor who after running from Division was captured mindwiped of their missions for them, and forcefully regenerated into the Third Doctor who was then banished to Earth.
Though this would fix a lot, including the continuity errors of The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, it would also mean that the 11th Doctor was wrong when he claimed in The Time Of The Doctor that he regenerated into himself and kept the same face in Journey's End, which is rather an unpopular idea with some.
@@garygcrook this was my second choice, I liked it I just couldn’t solve how she didn’t know about the screwdriver this way, however you could explain that away with some Swiss cheese brain explanation.
@@bb_nation7963 Actually, it's simpler than that.
She didn't recognise the 13th Doctor's sonic as a Sonic Screwdriver, even though from what was said she knew what a Sonic Screwdriver was.
Fugitive Doctor: I don't know. Why don't you try asking that cute little gizmo of yours? (13th pulls out her Sonic Screwdriver) Yeah, that's the one.
13th Doctor: I did. I used it on you, but it couldn't decrypt the bio-shield. If you've been restored... (uses sonic on both of them) Same person.
Fugitive Doctor: Oh, no.
13th Doctor: But you don't recognise the sonic screwdriver.
Fugitive Doctor: Smart enough not to need one.
This fits with the timeline as the 2nd Doctor's Sonic was just a device that used sound to screw and unscrew things.
It's with the 3rd Doctor that we start seeing a Sonic Screwdriver that's more than just something that works on just screws and bolts.
Concerning the Eye of Harmony: there is only one. The one on Gallifrey exists simultaneously on every TARDIS.
P.S. What did it take for Ellie to actually say that the Doctor was the best TARDIS pilot, and NOT River? Breathe, Ellie; just breathe.
I'd say the doctor was the best pilot...for HIS TARDIS. I bet there have been plenty of other timelords that were better TARDIS pilots overall. But the TARDIS that the doctor uses seems to have a personality that deviates from the others. And only he can pilot it properly.
But we have seen river pilot it properly many times.
@@scarletm1848 Properly, perhaps. But not best. And all those times River seemed to know more about the controls were just the Doctor giving her her moment. Because he was fond of her at that point, and later much more than fond.
I understand his reaction completely.
@@michaeltortorice9876 possibly. The doctor is definitely more experienced and can do way more complex movements with the TARDIS.
Always good to have a Clara theory running about, making her turn into Jenny at some point would have been interesting. Some have said she could have eventually become a Timelord herself, but since Gallifrey has been destroyed again by the Master doubt that will ever happen. Heard the one about the Timelords becoming Weeping Angels, that would be perverse but cool. Again, trying to explain more of the Angels backstory might put some fans off but it wouldn't surprise if something like that did happen to the Timelords, it would make them become even more villainous in the end than what they are now. The Master as the Timeless Child works better that way too. It explains his rage and wanting to destroy Gallifrey for what they did to him as opposed to him finding out it was the Doctor. Don't think we'll get any expansion or mention of that in the future either though with Davies now taking the helm, it'll just be ignored.
Another Clara theory is that one of her splinters, after helping The Doctor, went to the US and distracted Bucky at a crucial moment that allowed Steve Rogers to meet Erskine and get into the army. Watch the scene at the World's Fair and you will see her.
An additional piece of evidence supporting the Clara is Jenny theory is that the chair Jenny sits in when she takes off at the end of "The Doctor's Daughter" is exactly the same chair Clara sits in in "Assylum of the Daleks". It's unmistakable.
Both the doctor and the master should have been the timeless children and it should've been revealed in the series 12 finale that they came through that portal together. I also theorized that that child that accidently killed the first timeless child in the flashbacks was the master.
Except that happened at the beginning of Time Lord civilisation, where as the Doctor and the Master currently have a billion years Time Lord history between that event and themselves.
Na only the doc as the timeless child is enough, that means the master can eventually die but doc can't, doc will always protect earth, unless the forced regen has made the master immortal also XD
@@shaanysully9908 Neither the Doctor nor the Master are immortal.
They only have twelve regenerations per cycle, with no new cycles forthcoming.
Yet, the Master has survived being half dead, and even death itself, multiple times.
@@garygcrook wrong if u watched the latest season it is revealed the doc is the timeless child and has bad many cycles hidden from him/her, the timelords all used his/her dna to get these regenerations, the doc may be immortal as far as we know
@@shaanysully9908 I carefully watched the last two seasons of DW, even re-watching certain scenes to confirm what I'm about to say.
There is no actual proof that the Doctor is the Timeless Child.
The Master spent ages in the Matrix of Time proving to the Doctor that the Timeless Child existed yet when it came to that child being the Doctor, the Master who is a known lying, manipulative dick just gave his word for it. No proof.
And after he leaves, we get to see the Fugitive Doctor. Many misremembered this and just assumed she was part of the Timeless Child sequence.
Tecteun spent ages acting like an unhinged psycho mother in The Flux, both praising the Doctor for being clever then berating them as poison to the universe because she gave people hope and the will to stand against injustice.
Yet not once did she say how she had proof the Doctor was her adopted child, because the Doctor grew up as Hartnell's First Doctor a billion years after the Timeless Child was in the Division. Just she acted and talked like she assumed it.
And the Doctor is not immortal.
They only have a new sequence of 12 Regenerations.
Even if they had more, that still wouldn't make them immortal as they can still drown and not regenerate, die from certain diseases and not regenerate, fail a regeneration, refuse a regeneration, or even be killed mid-regeneration, as has been clearly shown with previous Doctors.
You missed one that also is better than what we got with the Timeless Child.
There was a theory that the Fugitive Doctor, played by Jo Martain was actually an incarnation of the Doctor between Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee. This is the only point in the series where we don't actually see the regeneration happen on screen.
The regeration was also referenced when the Master forced a regeration on the Doctor in Power of the Doctor. And placing Jo Martain there would make a lot more sense then there being Pre-Hertnel Doctors.
i feel a better theory for the reason that the reapers have not appeared again, is cause during the rose ep she not only saved her dad altering a fixed point,but they also crossed paths with their past selves
Wow that was an old post. I have a new theory on regenerations. They're only explosive when The Doctor holds them in. 9 just regenerated into 10 as soon as he could. Rose was there and nothing happened to her or the TARDIS. The metacrisis regeneration was also immediate and several onlookers were fine. 10 held in his regeneration to say goodbye to everyone and then exploded himself and the TARDIS. 11 was waiting to regenerate and did so as soon as he could, leaving Clara and the TARDIS in tact. 12 held it in for a whole episode and did a lot of damage to the TARDIS when he finally did regenerate. 13 also held it in, but she was smart enough to go outside this time so the TARDIS wasn't damaged.
Old post but cracking theory! 🙌
@@WhoCulture thanks
One potential future flaw with the whole "Eye of Harmony means timecards meet in order..."
It's never actually said that Sacha's master comes AFTER Missy. It's assumed and there are some off the cuff comments about it being "presumably" true but it's not a fact as far as I am aware. Given that Missy spends most of her incarnation trying to be friends with the Doctor it's arguably more plausible that she is the last incarnation because Sacha's level of hatred for the doctor is much closer to John Simm's version of The Master than it is to Missy...
Personally I think Sacha's version of the master comes after John simms. I think that after he was sent back to gallifrey with the rest of the time lords during the end of time, he was granted new regenerations and that's when he discovered the truth about the doctor being the timeless child. Which made him go a bit more bonkers than he already was! I think missy comes after Sacha's master. 😊
@@hollymatton474 I agree after John Simms but before Michelle Gomez. Which would mean that the fan theory that says The Eye Of Harmony is why time lords meet in the right order would be wrong because that would mean they'd met in the wrong order. :)
There's plenty of space for Sacha's master. The Master got a new regeneration cycle in The Deadly Assassin, and The Five Doctors (and whatever the resurrection in The End of Time was) - that makes at least 36 regenerations, and we've only seen 7 different versions.
Despite the assertions that the Doctor only encounters Time Lords in chronological order, there isn't anything to stop Sacha's Master being anywhere from the timeline.
I also think that Missy is the very last Master. and the Sascha Master comes before her. Why She never mentions the Timeless Child? Is often suggested that somehow she got a memory wipe somehow since she can't be remembering when she regenerated and has problems in remembering her past in the cybermens colony ship...
My theory is that the Reapers never appeared again because Commander Shepard defeated them. :P
10. This could very well be true.
9. Don't like this one that much. 'Clara is really someone else' theories would just throw away her character. I admit I had my own during Season 8 that Clara was Susan, given that Missy (the Master) had apparently led her to the Doctor, Clara somehow survived going inside the Doctor's timestream, and whenever she was asked about the woman in the shop she always irritatingly responded with the exact same 7 words as if she were brainwashed, or perhaps Chameleon-Arched. Maybe Missy had led Susan out of the Time War to use her as leverage against the Doctor. But I let that go, and it's honestly a really bad theory. Not the smallest problem being Clara kissed the Doctor in the Snowmen. You'd get the same problem with this Jenny theory here.
8. So?
7. Yeah, they probably should have been there in the Wedding of River Song.
6. That's just a plothole that you have to accept with Doctor Who, because it doesn't just apply to Time Lords. It also happens with Jack Harkness, Daleks, Cybermen, Davros, Zygons, all the rest of the aliens in Pandorica Opens at least, various elements of the myth arc (Season 2 kept running into Torchwood, Season 4 kept referencing planets being lost no matter where in time, Season 8 kept referencing the Promised Land at different points in time), even the visits with New Earth happen in chronological order. You just have to forget about it, it's how Doctor Who rolls.
5. Ehh... the Master being the Timeless Child is a slight improvement, but getting rid of the Timeless Child altogether would be MUCH better. Also, the Master doesn't keep on coming back with new bodies because he keeps on regenerating, it's because he ran out of regenerations and is clever enough to keep finding ways to steal a new body. That's what happened with Tremas and Eric Roberts, then he was finally given a new cycle for the Time War, and after Missy was killed, the Master went back to stealing O's body, then the Doctor's. So, the Master's long-running story is not about infinite regenerations, it's the very opposite. I guess if he were the Timeless Child it would be a very cruel irony for him that the one was supposed to live forever is the one who has to fight the hardest to keep on living because the Time Lords took that away from him. Still, the Timeless Child not only throws off everything we know about the Doctor, it retcons Gallifreyan history. Even after Flux there are a few ways I think to more fully erase the Timeless Child, and I would not settle for just swapping it to the Master.
4. That could be true too.
3. I don't go for this one. I think the much more obvious and visible explanation is that the longer a Time Lord holds in a regeneration, the more violent it is. 10 and 12 were the ones resisting for so long, and they are the only ones so far who have blown up the TARDIS as a result. 11 you could argue was breaking in a new cycle, but the regeneration itself was quick and harmless. The theory that later ones regenerate more explosively doesn't match up with so many other regenerations. Ten's regeneration that resulted in the Meta-Crisis Doctor wasn't violent and he let it happen just moments after it started. The Master was given a new cycle, so was around his 15th regeneration when Professor Yana became Harold Saxon, and his didn't blow up the TARDIS. If having a new cycle starts over the buildup, then that doesn't explain 11's and 12's having so much energy. Also, the General in Hell Bent was on his 10th, and it wasn't violent either. What do all of these non-violent regenerations have in common, those Time Lords weren't resisting for that long.
2. The Peter Cushing movies do exist as movies within the show. We saw this in the Black Archive during the 50th Anniversary. I think having that there as an inside joke is much funnier and certainly less complicated than dragging a human or the Meta-Crisis Doctor back into things.
1. Now this one I actually like and wish they'd make it come true. That's not what happens to a Time Lord when they die, that wouldn't make any sense, but you could very easily craft a backstory to make them fit together with another Time Lord experimenting or the like.
I didn't even think of River blowing up the TARDIS as a theory, I thought that was just canon at this point.
Don't we hear the Silence say "Silence will fall" when the TARDIS blows up? I'm sure I remember that. Which does imply that one of them was inside the TARDIS and manipulating River.
The reapers don't appear because Gallifrey kept them at bay. In the "Father's Day" episode, the Time Lords were outside reality and couldn't do anything about the reapers.
“The Master is a dick” …. Beautifully put 😂
What if there was a Silence in the TARDIS then but we've all forgotten it was there!
My theory with the more bombastic regenerations in the modern era has to do with the way the 8th Doctor regenerated. With the help of the Sisterhood of Karn. Considering the Doctor was dead and had been temporarily revived by them his body was already in a bad state. Add on top of that their method of forcing a regeneration (even if it's a guided one), this could explain why the regenerations are more dramatic for the Doctor now.
Guys, when will you understand?! Jenny didn't regenerate, it was the Source that gave her life in a form of thanking her for what she did.
Exactly thank you
True, it might look like she did, but IF she had actually regenerated then someone please explain why she didn't change forms🤔
Yes I know but she might be able to regenerate when a time lord triggers it like Pertwee's doctor
Aye, we’re aware! Discussed this in a video last year (10 Things Everyone Always Gets Wrong About Doctor Who).
The point in this video is that Moffat COULD have said it was regeneration if he wanted to do the “Jenny is Clara” theory
@@kickdumbos
I'm not disputing whatever her abilities "might" be. I'm simply referring to the theory that she died & regenerated in that episode.
Yes, she may have died from the gunshot wound. However, she did not regenerate, it was the Source that revived her, not regeneration.
"The Master, afterall, is a dick..." And this is why Ellie needs to do all the videos.
1:43 if Clara WAS Jenny, another TimeLord then it would make sense that Clara was always trying to pretend to be The Doctor or take charge. 🤔🤔🤔
Haven’t finished watching yet but I hope you mention the theory where Rory is the Master. I cant remember where I heard that and I needed a reminder cuz it’s so funny to think of him that way.
My own pet fan theory. The Doctor is able to steer the TARDIS successfully some time after the Daleks Masterplan. It could be argued he deliberately piloted the ship into the future of THE ARK to check on the welfare of his favourite race - humans. He successfully returns a companion (Dodo) back to her own time, which he was never able to do before. The first regeneration shakes him up a bit but he recovers the knack in order to return Ben and Polly to 1966 (on the date they left - hows that for accuracy). Afterwards, he gives the impression of settling outstanding loose ends - travelling to Telos to ensure the Cybermen aren't resurrected, returning the Holy Ghanta to Det-Sen, a return trip to Dulkis. For the most part, he's quite happy to aimlessly wander as he doesn't have companions in a hurry to return home. Remember when Jamie says the Doctor can't control the TARDIS in WAR GAMES, only for the War Lord to say "Don't talk rubbish. Of course he can steer it!" The Doctor's pleas he can't navigate it are a stalling tactic.
omg the Clara/Jenny theory would have been AMAZING
Hate to bust all of your balls, I am pretty certain that Jenny was revived due to the "Source" (the energy that leaves her mouth looks awfully a lot like the energy from the source)
I have the theory that Jenny is one of Clara's incarnations when Clara was split into the Doctor's timeline. Like all the divergent Claras we met, Jenny died in her first appearance. (Yes The Source brought her back but she STILL died)
That’s my new head cannon now, that the Master is really the Timeless Child and was lying to the Doctor. I might finally get a good nights sleep, thank you.
Perhaps the Reapers issue has to do with what kind of paradox it is. Not all paradoxes are the same. For example, the Bootstrap Parodox is complicated because it causes a causality loop (a form of an infinite regress). Simply put, "X exists because X exists". Personally, I think an infinite regress causality loop is complicated, but not impossible. In Father's Day, the paradox in question actually had nothing to do with saving her father. That resulted in a Grandfather Paradox, meaning that there were two simultaneous paradoxes. And it could be the fact that there were two simultaneous paradoxes at once. The second paradox was a second Grandfather Parodox, where Rose and the Doctor witnessed Rose save her father when the Rose that saved her father never witnessed that event. In fact, that paradox was never dealt with, since the version or Rose that continued to exist shouldn't be exist. I think it was partially alieviated when the Doctor sacrificed himself in order to stop the Reapers. He likely returned not because those who were taken were brought back (which is likely what did happen), it's he's the version of the Doctor that was erased from existence because of the paradox. This also may have been possible because of what he was planning to do with the Tardis. In fact, he was probably going to sacrifice himself from the beginning. By erasing himself, the version that was previously erased was able to come back. And thanks to wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, he knew what happened to the Doctor that sacrificed himself. This could also explain why Rose can't stay in that reality after she had to go to the alternate reality. It's not just because of the Tardis having trouble, It's because Rose was still a paradox in the universe. She is a scar left after a paradox had healed.
The Master is the Timeless Child... Did you come across one of my theories, or am I not the only one who thinks this? Though personally, I think that both the Doctor AND the Master are the Timeless Child. This is because of the episode name being The Timeless Children (plural). I mean... I get that that can be interpreted as regeneration. But my idea also works. That could also better explain Ruth. Despite identifying as The Doctor, she is a bit more (if you'll pardon the pun) ruthless. It can also explain why the Doctor and the Master coexist as counterparts.
As far as the Reapers go I see everyone only address the fact that Rose saved Pete as being the cause of the paradox, but no one takes into account that not only did she save him, but was also observed doing so by her also time traveling past self (with 9). Had Rose saved Pete the first time round, yeah it would create a paradox, however not nearly as strong of one, and possibly something the Doctor could have smoothed over with Timelord magic resulting in no Reapers appearing. Other paradoxes can be lampshaded away by saying he did smooth them over with Timelord magic, and based on series traditions Time Lords themselves seem immune to the paradox of meeting your past self and interacting with your own timeline.
Timeless child if they continue…
After the tardis dropped 13 falling to earth the tardis finds her way to gallifrey just as Ruth runs away from division, stealing the ship and hides on earth.
Once Ruth meets 13 and remembers her identity, puzzled with the existence of 13 the tardis keeps Ruth away from events, meaning 13 onwards is mistaken as the timeless child version.
The doctor over time loses their memory, eventually trapped on a planet without the tardis, regenerates into a child as planned by Rasoloin to restore time lord supremacy by rewriting timelord origin by using the doctors dna after granting 11 unknown amount of regeneration.
Ruth learns of her past lives from 1-current, meets what would be her parents in the rewritten universe (bel and Vindor)
Works with multi doctors to undo divisions work, ending their own life, giving the fob watch to bel and Vindor to continue the Doctors legacy in a new body (their kid) with a new set of 12 regenerations.
Rasiloin disguised as The grand serpent headed to earth after 12 kicked him off gallifrey, the flux led the Grand Serpent to find primitive Gallifrey via the doorway. (Bootstrap paradox, as he caused the flux in his future)
The master being alive is due to the rewritten universe, the Doctor being unaware of Missy and the masters suicide prior.
Within the rewritten universe the master grew up Alongside the timeless child version, haven not met Ruth due to her using the comedian arch following her final mission on Atropos. When the master found 13 he mistakes her as his doctor as the tardis 13 found on ghost monument comes after Ruth’s adventures, much older and broken, which leaves the doctor stranded to become the timeless child.
The tardis takes both versions of the Doctor where they need to be, Ruth recruits Jack after meeting 13, to warn her past self of the lone cyberman etc.
Atropos was designed to sustain both versions of the doctor's life to allow time to be rewritten.
The Peter Cushing Doctor has a much easier explanation: He's The Doctor of an alternate reality. We already know that "our" Doctor is aware of another universe because he visited there: E-Space. (You know, the "parallel" universe from which Adric originated.) So why is it so inconceivable that the Cushing Doctor might just be The Doctor from yet another parallel, alternate reality? Consider this: Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, there was a popular soap opera "Dark Shadows" that originally began as a basic Gothic-style soap opera and, in its second season, became the supernatural-driven, vampire-fronted horror soap we now remember. BUT, while the show was still on the air, creator Dan Curtis decided to "revamp" the series for a theatrical film, "House of Dark Shadows" which condensed much of the Barnabas Collins story into a single two-hour-ish feature film (a sort of sequel, "Night of Dark Shadows," was released after the series went off the air and sort of combined other elements of the show, especially the "parallel time" episodes where "alternate" versions of the main cast lived out different lives; Jonathan Frid, who played Barnabas, refused to appear in the originally planned sequel, "Curse of Dark Shadows," for fear of being typecast even though "House" ended with Barnabas presumably surviving his apparent demise).
Cushing's Doctor doesn't necessarily need to be woven into "mainstream" continuity. Let him stand as the only Doctor from that unnamed parallel/alternate reality. He's the Doctor from the "Cushingverse."
I love the sound of those Peter Cushing ideas, but personally I prefer Peter Cushing's own theory.
Sometime after the 2nd Dalek movie had come out, Peter ended up watching the Celestial Toymaker and after Hartnell regenerated, he liked the idea that his Dr.Who was a future incarnation who had his mind wiped and physiognomy changed by the Toymaker and forced to relive his past adventures
I prefer the in-universe answer that comes from the other media of DW, that Peter Cushing was a friend of Hartnell's Doctor and made the films while the First Doctor acted as advisor.
Peter can finally be Canon since the doctor is immortal and has had countless lives that have been hidden, Peter was 1 of them hidden Ives, there's ur answer for that version
Did you notice Bernard Cribbins standing in the background at the 9 minute mark? Maybe they could weave in a story about Wilfred Mott being an agent of Torchwood as well.
Honestly, Wilf being a Torchwood agent would have been cool- @@-amoore-7399
It made much more sense that the Master would be the true timeless child rather than the Doctor. The constant forced generations from all the testing could have created a schism in their mind which is why they are so insane compared to the Doctor and other Time Lords. It would also make sense why Rassilon put the drumming in the Master's head instead of the Doctor's as he knew the Master could never truly die as he was the timeless child. The Master has also already had way more regenerations by the time the timeless child storyline had come around, somewhere around 18-20 regenerations. If the Doctor was the timeless child then why would Clara have to ask the Time Lords to give him more regenerations in “The Time of the Doctor”? If they didn’t give him the regenerations, then he would have died on Trenzalore and the Tardis would be his tomb as shown in “The Name of the Doctor”.
The Master trying to make the Doctor believe they were the timeless child could have been presented as a ploy, thinking that showing how the Time Lords used and abused the Doctor that she would become angry or hateful towards the Time Lords and join the Master. Unfortunately Flux happened and Chibnal used Tecteun to enforce that the Doctor is the timeless child.
I've seen the angels as the reverse of the timelords, likely created as reflections of a gallifreyan looking into the time vortex...
The Timeless Child was the worst thing to happen to Dr Who since Colin Baker's coat.
With clara being jenny, Personally I don't think that's the case, clara in all her forms has looked the same, even the same name.
And I don't think calling out the rani as being someone the doctor has met is fair, as that was before the time war.
I'm so glad to see I wasn't the only one saying that the master was the timeless child, I also think he killed the timelords to keep them from telling the doctor the truth, after telling the doctor she was the timeless child, my other theory was the new female doctor who appeared in the timeless child episodes is either a future regeneration of the doctor or a past regeneration of the master working to undo her future evil.
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Actually if you've taken Temporal Mechanics 101 as viewable via The Time Traveler's Companion (A book written for The Doctor Who Roleplaying Game and something I highly recommend for anyone interested in playing a Time Lord or simply interested in explanations of Temporal Phenomenon) it clearly explains this phenomenon which are called _Time Spurs._
_"A Time Spur develops when a paradox occurs
that is highly localised in nature and relatively
long term in effect, as would be the case with
preventing the death of a relatively unremarkable
man who, none-the-less, shares a major Causal
Nexus with the person saving them. The Spur
contains the paradox and prevents further
intrusion until it can either be resolved (by
clearing up the paradox) or slowly degraded
away by the natural forces of the universe (i.e.
Reapers)._
_Time Spurs are a natural reaction of the
universe to minor containable paradoxes in
much the same way that a pimple is a reaction
to a specific clogged pore. As the area becomes
inflamed, the body’s natural defences work to
clean the area of all infection, which should
eventually be eliminated. In the case of a Time
Spur, the infection is the people in the localised
area and the anti-bodies are Reapers._
_The Time Spur cuts off the offending area,
creating a thin skin that separates it from the
rest of time, space and other dimensions,
including the pocket dimension of the TARDIS.
In the Vortex, this takes the form of a hardened
extrusion that creates unexpected turbulence
(see Time Eddies on pg.60) around it and which
is largely impenetrable from the outside. As the
Spur is ‘cleaned,’ it will slowly decrease in size
until the regular flow of time is restored, but with
a few minor changes in the current. Alternately,
the paradox might be resolved, at which point
the Spur immediately ‘pops’ and time regains
its normal flow, but typically with a mild surface
scar which permanently raises the RTD (see Relative Temporal Disturbance under The Blinovitch Limitation Effect section of pg.51) level in
that area._
So effectively a Time Spur and the resulting Reapers are caused whenever a Paradox is created that significantly effects the personal timeline of someone linked to a major Temporal Nexus Point (AKA a Fixed Point in Time). In the episode in question we see a number of paradoxes and temporal disturbances which cause multiple "infected" wounds in a highly localised and focused area of Space-Time and revolving around a woman who would go on to do something unseen in all of Time Lord history. Because without Rose's dad dying her timeline would have likely never intersected with the Doctor which means her and The Doctor would never have been there in the first place to save her dad (Paradox #1), she would have never become Bad Wolf (Paradox #2), Jack Harkness would have never become Immortal (Paradox #3), he would have never helped Thirteen escape prison (#4), which would have meant she never stopped The Flux (#5), and so on and so on.
Time isn't a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey whimey stuff. It's a mad house of playing cards where some cards are super glued into place, some are made of tungsten-alloys, and others, if nudged the wrong way, could bring the whole damned thing tumbling over.
Random thought here. since Jenny is the Doctor's clone wouldn't she be indirectly another "timeless child" since the doctor is. Who knows, maybe she is actually the one that was tested on and use for the timelord templet. And now that I think about it, I know that in the old shows the doctor had a grandchild (and obviously as result a child(ren)) how would their DNA differ from regular Timelords and would they need the gene slicing for regenerations to occur?
since the timeless child is of its own species then jenny would also be a timeless child. though im not sure if she would count as a clone because of how she was made, she was made more like a real child where the doctors dna was used to make 2 different gametes which were then grown as normal but incredibly sped up, while a clone is grown without the fusion of 2 different gametes and would probably look identical to that incarnation of the doctor
with jenny having been the one tested on, i doubt it mostly because we know the timeless child was found as a child and jenny is at least physically not a child, even assuming she regenerated it would be a pretty out of place to have a character regenerate all the way back to a child just to fall through a time portal and ending up being found by the Gallifreyans/shobogans.
on the gene splicing point it depends on how you believe the doctor got the ability to regenerate the most obvious is if its just part of the doctors species then the doctors children would also have the same inborn abilities. there is also the possibility that it is not inborn into the doctors species but was gained by the doctor going through the wormhole they were initially found under, or even events leading up to that, in which case the doctors children would still be of the same species but perhaps without the same abilities
@@variant6478 didn’t expect so much thought but his children would still be half Galiffray so I don’t think they would get all the abilities or they would but they wouldn’t be as strong or altogether different.
@@variant6478 and with the whole Jenny not being able to turn into a child, They don’t really explain if the Doctor’s memories of childhood are real or implemented into his mind, because he would have either had to have turned into a child and relived the whole childhood again or the memories would have been inserted into his mind. They never really explained that unless I missed something in the second/third session.
And with the regeneration theory what if the reason time lords have a limited amount of regenerations (other than to not be super over powered) is because after their final regeneration the amount of regeneration energy released is too much for a time lords body to handle which is why they don’t infinitely regenerate
Let’s just hope that The Master actually is The Timeless Child. Perfect way to fix the problem of Chibnall
Chibnall seem to have intentionally written that entire plot so that it is a possibility, as he has gone on record saying he left it wide open for future Showrunners to decide.
the weeping angles could be the ultimate punishment a time lord is sentenced. Removed from time only to move when not being observed reduced to feed off of time energy to live.
Maybe the reapers only show up if someone messes up a fixed point in time
With the reapers, I thought that only happened because she saved her father and crossed her own time stream and then held herself as a baby which then only worsened the effects. These events never happened again and so that's why we've not seen the reapers.
Or... or... McGann's "artificial" regeneration on Kaan is what kicked off the more energetic regenerations
My theory about Jenny has always been that Jenny is Jenny. As in the Doctor's daughter Jenny is the first incarnation of the woman who helps out in a Good Man Goes To War. Frankly they are more alike than most Doctor regenerations....
Wasn't Gallifrey and the Tardis's being in sync actually specifically stated in old Who?
If I recall, part of the reason older incarnations of the Doctor could be on Gallifrey at the same time was use of the Scoop- which was able to bypass this restriction, but was unreliable hence Dr1 being stuck in a comms system and Dr4 not being able to be picked up at all.
Anyway, for a fan theory...
The Wire was actually a renegade Time Lord in hiding.
All renegade TLs have a name in the form of 'The' (Doctor, Master, Rani, Meddling Monk, Corsair, etc), and Wire also has this. The Wire had specific knowledge of where to project herself in time and space to be able to gain enough energy to potentially restore herself- indicating the sort of knowledge and abilities Time Lords possess.
She says she was executed by 'her people', which expansion stories have stated to be the Hermethicans. However, she could have gone there post execution in Gallifrey in the same way she escaped Hermethica to go to Earth- meaning she has already consumed energy to regenerate her physical form at least once prior to meeting Dr10.
On the 'The Doctor always meets Time Lords in the correct order' point, I have a theory that Missy is actually chronologically after the Spy Master, since the Saxon Master killed Missy so she couldn't regenerate. This would make sense of the whole reversal of the 'good Missy' development, explain why all that time in the vault was never mentioned, and prevent the whole 'Missy can't regenerate' retcon
Obviously, you've not done your research:
9. Jenny's survival in The Doctor's Daughter was due to the Source that terraformed Messaline, and she has appeared in offscreen stories (including a comic where she met the Twelfth Doctor). Besides, we've seen Clara as a child.
6. There have been some offscreen stories where the Doctor and the Master have met each other out of order (the Seventh Doctor once encountered an audio incarnation of the Master before Roger Delgado that was played by James Dreyfus - A.K.A. John Harrison in the final The Sarah Jane Adventures story The Man Who Never Was - and had encountered the First and Second Doctors, while the Tenth Doctor encountered the War Master). The Sixth Doctor and Peri also met an incarnation of the Rani following the one they encountered in The Mark of the Rani and whom the Seventh Doctor and Mel would face off against in Time and the Rani.
5. I've heard people say that the Timeless Child should've been revealed to be Rassilon; he was immortal and was involved in the Time Lords' society being created - both just like the Timeless Child. Besides, the Master has been very close to death and even ran out of regenerations, both of which wouldn't have happened if he was the Timeless Child.
4. Cushing himself once stated that he believed his portrayal of the Doctor was a future incarnation who had been kidnapped by the Celestial Toymaker (who ironically is thought to be slated to soon appear) and forced to live through previous stories of his. However, Twice Upon a Time's novelisation has canonised the films as being some that the First Doctor's companions Ian and Barbara had sold off.
Also, I always thought that the Doctor's explosive regenerations were due to how he was holding them back and the energy was building up in them. Nothing damaging happened during when the Ninth Doctor regenerated into the Tenth, or when the Eleventh changed into the Twelfth. Meanwhile, the Ten and Twelfth Doctor's regenerations (the latter of which was the first during the Doctor's second regeneration cycle) were explosive because they were holding them back when the Tenth Doctor said goodbye to his friends and during the Twelfth Doctor's fight against the Cybermen. And I think it has been confirmed that the Weeping Angels aren't deceased Time Lords. (I actually doubted the theory in the first place as the Weeping Angels are said to be as old as the universe, but I don't think the same could be said for the Time Lords.)
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Doctor only the last of the Time Lords since the War Doctor killed them all? Bit of a weird thing saying he's meant to be the last and then naming a bunch he meets way before the Time War.
These theories are wild
Love them
So if Karvanista is actually the last of the Lupari, I guess he must be from Bark-alona.
Well played.
I got one Doctor Who theorie, don't know if it's even good, because I came up this one myself, but hear me out :
Doctor Von Brown, from Back To the Future, is actually a Doctor, an unseen version of them. A Doctor that maybe was banished, and convert into a human using the conversion device we saw once upon a time in the TARDIS, used by 10. And he was placed on Earth, during the 50's, with implanted memories. But here's the thing : he became obsessed with time travel, and stumble upon the idea of the time convector. Later on, we see him having a companion, Mac Fly. Seems to be logical from a Doctor point of view, like an unconscious thing for him to have a companion.
And then of course, he's succeding in doing time travel, and the events of Back To The Future are unfolding.
In the end, after the events of the third movie, he get to have a life with his wife and their children, aboard his time traveling train. Decades pass, Von Brown don't age that much, he witness the death of his wife, and his kids, and one day, stumble upon some clues concerning his identity (because he don't know why he's aging so slowly, I don't know, maybe the rejuvinating effects he got in 2015 had some weird effects on him, or just the Time Lord into human conversion was not 100% complete), investigate, find a mysterious pocket watch calling him, and all of his memories got to him. The Doctor is back.
This Doctor/Von Brown could work, but where in the timeline could it be ? Just after the Division ? Or a very late Doctor, way after 14th ?
In any case, I find this theory kind of nice, tell me what you think :)
I think it was one of the multi doctor episodes the one with one of the leaders of the timelords wanting to be immortal his immortality was give to him as a stone bust. If you take that immortality tech a little further you could make the angels.
They did say they tried to use all forbidden tech in the Raddilon vults. And a army of angels would be powerful.
5 doctors it was, and it was the current president
President Fuldanquin Borusa (previously held ranks include: Chancellor of Gallifrey, Cardinal of the Prydonian Chapter) - his use of the Time Scoop to revive the Game of Rassilon and herd myriad incarnations of the Doctor earned him Immortality as an ornament on the Tomb of Rassilon.
I like the idea of the TARDIS being synced with Gallifrey - even if that's a rather problematic theory considering how often the TARDIS seems to cross into its own time stream.
Maybe the Doctor and the Master are both the timeless child
As to the Timeless Child ... the first rule: The Doctor lies. Well, we all know that this is the Master's first, second and third rules ... The Master lies ... even when he doesn't need to do so. So, the Master as the tortured Timeless Child makes way more sense. Although the Doctor as the first successful "new" Time Lord ... thus, not limited the way we've always been told. (Because the Fugitive Doctor needs to remain canon ... please?)
I do really like the theory of the Master being the Timeless Child, and I think he conned the 13th Doctor into thinking she was just so she could dig more on the TC for him. Plus there's that entire subplot of him not wanting to be himself in The Power of the Doctor.
Yet in this theory the Doctor cannot be the first of the new Time Lords. This is because the Doctor grew up about a billion years after Time Lord civilisation was founded.
@@garygcrook We still need to figure out how to fit the Fugitive Doctor into things The Master over a billion years old ... no wonder he's so squirrely. Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.
For *Theory #6* , I had in mind that why the Doctor keeps coming to Gallifrey in chronological order was that Gallifrey was a planet existing in the universe but outside of Time, it keeps existing and evolving but no one can go back earlier in Gallifrey's timeline compared to the rest of the universe, so when the Doctor comes back to Gallifrey, he comes back to his Present, he lives synched to Gallifrey, if he left when he was 500 yo for example and came back when he was 600, a hundred years had passed in Time Lord history too, I guess it's a bit the same as the TARDIS being synched with Gallifrey but it would be the other way around ^^
I have a personal Doctor Who Theory that I haven't seen anywhere on the Internet, any idea on which Reddit page I could share it? It's not such a huge and well thought out theory, and I don't see myself revisiting every Doctor Who piece of media to make it as solid as adamantium, but it's something I had in mind for a few years now ^^
The master being a timeless child would've made more sense considering they then decimated Gallifrey. And matt smiths entire finale would've made sense as he now in cannon he didn't need those regeneration cycles. Unless time lords figured a way of reducing the doctors regeneration so they could die at some point but that would be a theory now.
Thank you Ellie , l love your posts.
The Gallifrey linked to Tardis makes the most sense.
But what about Daleks and Cybermen always are the current version.
the cushing films actually exist in universe per the novelisation of the day of the doctor, they werent able to secure rights for the posters for the black archive
Thought they official answered the Cushing Dr Who films as films based on the canon of Dr Who. Just films pure and simple.
there is also the idea the films were comissoned (?sp) by Ian and Barbara to tell the story of their adventures in a safe way!!!
@@julieeverett7442 another good idea
I haven't finished the video but I wanted to mention the reapers. It's possible I'm remembering incorrectly, but it's not just paradoxes that cause the reapers to appear. They appear in fathers day because time has already been weakened due to rose being at the same place at the same time, and then the paradox happens which messes with time even more, and it's both of those things combined that cause the reapers to appear.
Also if I'm remembering correctly, the doctor mentions something about time lords previously having kept the reapers at bay before the destruction of the time lords in the time war, so it's possible that after the experience of fathers day, the doctor replaces the things keeping them at bay off screen
It's been a while since I read it, so I could be getting some stuff wrong, but if I remember correctly, there was a poster for a Cushing Doctor movie in the black site during the 50th anniversary special and either a theory or scrapped idea stated that the Cushing movies were made by Torchwood as a way to make the public aware of the Doctor's adventures so they wouldn't be as scared when things happen irl.
Some of those are really good.
In the book adaptation of The day of the doctor, the Peter Crushing movies are movies in the doctor who world. Peter Crushing and the doctor were friends. The doctor even lent him the waist coat he wears in the second movie. Unit also has to keep covering up Peters appearances in movies after his death. All of this is revealed during the Zygon negotiations.
My reaper theory is that they feel through the cracks in time
My theory is that the CGI wasn't good and making it better would've been too expensive.
Straight to the point. RIP Reapers, never quite vortisaurs.
@@Horrrrrrrrstim talking about heaadcannon
the reapers are there because there are 2 versions of the SAME person in the same place. Two Roses interfering with time, the reapers entered the church when adult Rose touched baby Rose. This happened in classic who as well, but they found a way to cancel it out (go check out Mawdryn Undead- 5th doctor)
The Angel-theory is so amazing! :O It will be my headcanon until proven otherwise :)
My theory is that The Master was one of the first Timelord subject to implant them with timeless Child's regenerations power (by First Tecteun )and he went power mad with their "Immortality". And The Untempered Schism is use on Timelords to remove their memories of their past regenerations (It might not work after X number of regenerations and might go crazy), if they have survived to reach their 14th regenerations or found out the secret history that the Founders of Gallifrey (do not want the public to found out). The Fugitive Doctor might been running from the timelords for a reason like that they are the Timeless Child.
In the end of time it was said "hide your face like the weeping angels of old" as they were the two timelords that voted against the plan. So more likely the weeping angels are an ancient race wiped out but survived by using time energy. Chris chibnall kinda took piss having them as agents of an order that the doctor was apart of and left but never was mentioned at all ever before that, like the doctor whoukd have some how forgot that small detail when ever facing them or when amy and Rory were in danger of death
There's also the theory that the Doctor's regeneration isn't so violent when a companion is present. All the classic Who Doctors (except for 2-->3 off screen***) had companions with them for each regeneration. 9-->10 The regeneration explosion isn't strong/forceful enough to injure or kill Rose. 11-->12 the regeneration has no explosion at all. It was instantaneous. Plus 13 broke the record in New Who being the first Doctor to regenerate outside the TARDIS and being an odd numbered Doctor without a companion to witness the regeneration.
*** I'm well aware of Devious from 1995
Something that adds to the Weeping Angels being Timelords is we saw one pilot the tardis brilliantly in Flux. It got the Doctor exactly where it wanted her.
Personally though I like to think Weeping Angels have no definitive beginning. If the Doctor was to try and find one they’d find conflicting origins that make no sense. This to me explains why every time we’ve seen them they seem to display different powers.
As far as I know, this one ORIGINATES with ME, (no, not Ashildr). My own theory with the increase in violent regenerations in the modern era, can be traced back to The Sisterhood of Karn helping the "already dead" 8th Doctor regenerate. It is, after all, retroactively, the first time we see the glowing, sparkling release of Artron energy...IN THE SAME INCARNATION of the Doctor. 7 into 8 was nowhere as violent in the SF morgue...
No poppet no.... bless your arrogance but no, you can literally see the same theory 20x on this comment section alone kidda
@@bobbybobstar1496 many people same idea
You know, I really don't get why people think that everything about the Doctor being the Timeless Child breaks canon, because frankly more than a few of those things were already broken long before Chris Chibnall put pen to paper. The Doctor had incarnations before "the First Doctor"? Yeah that came up in The Brains of Morbius. The Doctor played a key role in the founding of Time Lord society? Yeah, that was first proposed in the late 1980s by Andrew Cartmel and Ben Aaronovitch. In terms of new stuff, really the only thing Chris Chibnall added is that the Doctor was the genetic template for the Time Lords and even that has a bit of a call-back to Marc Platt's novel Lungbarrow. Honestly, I was more annoyed by the fact that Chibnall decided to have the Master destroy Gallifrey so soon after it was brough back. I know heaps of people disagree with me, and that's fine, but I actually really like the fact that Chibnall decided to do something out there. Doctor Who is often at its best when it's doing things that are out there.
I’m kinda sick of the whole reaper thing. It’s explained in the episode. A fixed point was changed WHILE there were two sets of the same people there.
I like to think that the peter cushing doctor is a future metacrisis doctor. Highly prefer that to some random torchwood agent or an in universe movie.
The reapers one is actually explained. In the show the reapers on show up because there’s like a double paradox. Rose and the doctor are there twice because rose wants to try again to be with her dad when he dies. But then she runs out in front of herself changing her own past and also saves her dad who was meant to die. It’s explained that because the two copies of the doctor and rose were there it was a particularly vulnerable moment.
Just posted this on another Y.T. Vid - about the End of Time & the conversion of Humanity into the Doctor. Very basic, but has swirled in my mind ever since I watched the episode:
I always wondered how Mott had the dreams & visions of him in his head if he never was changed in the future...
Also finally I'll post it, but the change in the Master in later series (12's Missy Adventures) - I always wanted a tie-back to this moment.
Where it was more than just a 1-way transfer... there were the archangel satellites (network) still in the sky & there was also just the collective human gathering of conceptualisation. Essentially it was this moment that seemed like just another Doctor-Master fight with Humanity/Earth caught in the crossfire Accounting, was actually something that again A/1) changed the Master & allowed them to become at least somewhat better in future after regeneration and/or B/2) changed humanity... The Doctor always wondered why/how, etc. humanity charged into the future with regards to space exploration... where all of the pieces seemed to the be there in Humanity where they were being used, but there was no uniformity. THIS COULD HAVE been seen as the event which brought everything together & maybe a little nod towards 'why' the Doctor seems to come back to this time in history?
So much potential in this one event that has been untapped I'd argue!
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The idea of Weeping Angels being related to Timelords is, on its face, incredibly cool! The fact that it was accompanied by clips from the recent series made it... suck! Did she really stand in the middle of a field of angels and peek-a-boo them? Is this something that happened? Do you realize how many fans just check out when we see trash like this, for good reason? Not only did that just further push Whitaker's Doctor into the trash heap (which is a shame), it really took the wind out of the sails of a really interesting fan theory about an absolutely awesome species.
If I remember correctly, this was after she was captured by the Angels and "turned into one of them". She was linked to them mentally but they all refused to interact with her.
Given the clips used for the entry bout the Weeping Angels, how exactly is the theory that they were at some point timelords not confirmed?
I think the reapers appearance is completely misunderstood. It wasn't just the fact that created a paradox by saving her father. She made two in a split second. She went back to be there with her father when he died, only to duck out at the last minute. Then she asked if they could try again. This time, however, she saved him.
This essentially took her timeline, tied a knot around the event, and cut it loose. The double break in the timeline, changing an event that you saw yourself not 5 minutes ago that triggered the reapers and even hollowed out the Tardis.
Yes! Doctor Who's daughter was a perfect opportunity for a spin off sadly missed. It would have been a much better way to explore having a female time lord imo
I thought there were a couple of references in Doctor Who, I think from a few Fourth Doctor serials that confirm the theory that there is something to insures that keeps things relative to Galifrey.
I may be wrong, but the 4th theory is actually true in Big Finish. There are *a lot* of episodes containing Gallifrey, and yep, that one thing is said.
What do you mean with the 4th theory? Number 4 or the number 6?
Yeah, #6 has been floating around since before Big Finish as well, the theory of a Gallifreyan Mean Time.
Theory: David Tennant’s 14’th doctor, now uniquely split from the 15’th, took all of the Doctor’s negative traits with him, is unable to regenerate further, and will become the Valeyard. Tennant makes a convincing villain ;)
When I got the notification I immediately clicked on it 😉
Not as fast as me mate 😂
@@evolvedarcane3589 Neither of you were as fast as us, so ha!
I'm the one who's first
Some fun fan theories here. Like the channel, but think all Whovians sd unite in erasing Flux from history.
Love the master being the timeless child theory